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Published: Dec 29, 2006
Author: Sam Mathid
Post Date: 2006-12-29 11:21:09 by christine
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I buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change. That was my conclusion in June of 2000 and I sense the approach of that change growing ever closer. I am not just talking about the usual economic reasons such as the gross debasement of fiat currencies around the world, or the insane levels of debt created with enthusiastic abandon by our shifty, self-serving politicians or the equally idiotic levels of private debt; neither am I talking about the sheer indifference and/or incompetence of our governing officials and their enthusiastic squandering of the vast taxes confiscated from the peasants who continue to work and create and produce despite all inducements to not do so. I am referring to the fact that Western civilisation is beset with a stupidity that is so rampant, so widespread and so ingrained that it cannot continue for much longer. 'Stupidity' is the opposite of 'smart' and both words can only exist in the context of survival in one form or another. We have drifted so far from survival as a race that we have placed survival itself at risk. How is it possible for people to not understand that rewarding the incompetent by the process of penalising the able will lead to greater incompetence? How is it possible to believe that punishing producers to reward non-producers will do anything but eventually and logically cause a total cessation of production? We live in a world where the mindless trilling of politicians and aging pop singers is regarded as the font of all wisdom; a world where some people really believe that the end is nigh because of global warming and that the government ought to spend itself billions of dollars even further into debt doing something about it… as if an organization that cannot deliver mail properly could save the world from a meteorological catastrophe. We live in a world where less than 50% of the workforce actually create wealth and who subsequently then have to support the more than 50% who do not; where private employers may no longer dictate the terms of employment to their own employees. A world where general practitioners who are trusted with nations' health are so ignorant of real causation, let alone healing, that it is usually safer not to go to them, and where psychiatrists drug human brains in crazed attempts to solve problems of the mind. At the same time as our governments have confiscated most of the financial benefits from the most major technological advance of the human race ever, they have managed via their daft social engineering schemes and outright corruption to simultaneously bankrupt western civilisation in the manner of tin-pot African dictators peeling the skins off banana republics. 'Follow the money' has justifiably become the mantra of the age as it is often the only way to find out what is really going on. To do so shows an alarming discrepancy between appearance and reality. The wide-eyed young street activists campaigning for action against global warming are, in a bizarre fact, the unwitting foot soldiers of the nuclear power industry. The white coated psychiatrists cosily posing as healers of the mind are in reality extraordinarily well paid salesmen for unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies. Pious, tax funded promoters of the war against hunger cover their dirty dollar tracks back to vast agri-business concerns like Monsanto who are the manufacturers and promoters of genetically and atomically modified foods which threaten to monopolise the world's food supply. We live in a world where new legislation banning something or other spews forth every week from our governing elite creating more and more criminals to the point where nothing, and I do mean NOTHING is not covered by some incomprehensibly complex piece of government legislation. The legislation is so obtuse that it is literally not possible to ever comply fully with any certainty even if one was so inclined. I was speaking with a policewoman a few years ago who told me that she tends to only socially mix with other members of the force. The reason? "Everyone always looks so guilty and uncomfortable when I tell them that I am a police officer. Everyone has done something that breaks the law." And that sums up the truth of the matter. Our governments have made criminals of all of us whilst allowing real criminals to roam free and easy on the streets. The constant promises of governments to end corruption and inequality and monopolies inevitably lead to greater corruption and greater inequality and greater monopolies and still people cannot see the obvious which is that government control is the problem, not the solution. It is as though the spirit of Walt Disney rules the western world and is producing a vast Road Runner fantasy whereby society can fall over steep cliffs and then pick itself up, dust itself off and carry on as though nothing had really happened. Well we are heading over a cliff, but society will not be able to pick itself up and dust itself off afterwards. Things are going to change big time when and after we reach the bottom. Survival is based upon making decisions that result in actions conducive to survival. Such decisions can only sanely be made at the level of the individual. Sometimes individuals get it wrong and suffer the consequences, so be it, but with governments taking over the decision making role you can be sure that those wrong calls will become institutionalised; and you can also be sure that there will be an awful lot of wrong calls. That is what has got us to where we are now. Heading down the path that we are currently treading it is a foregone conclusion that both personal and business initiative will cease to exist and that we will be reduced to the intellectual and economic level of Cuba or North Korea. In its ever more obsessive pursuit with saving our bodies our governments are killing our souls and in the process are reducing people to a level of apathy. Most people don't like it, but they don't feel that they can change anything. Is that a definition of apathy, or what leads to apathy? I'm not sure. Domestic turkeys don't have a high IQ and over the generations have had responsibility for their own survival bred out to the point that when born they have to be trained how to drink water by placing sparkling coloured marbles at the bottom of the water bowl for them to play with. Without this aid the poults (young turkeys) die of thirst. There is a similarity between these poults and the citizens of modern societies who rely on and trust governments to such a degree that they feel no personal responsibility for their own survival. To place that much faith in unaccountable governments is a sure recipe for non-survival. Because people start with a higher IQ than turkeys the process takes longer, but the result will eventually be the same. The poults actually have the advantage in that it is in the interests of the farmer to keep the turkeys alive… at least until Christmas. No such incentive exists for the politicians. Why would they really care whether you live or die unless it is some way affects their electoral standing? The survival traits of the human race are being bred out by a lazy illusion of permanent prosperity and safety brought about by wise and benevolent Great Nanny States. It is all madness. Of course it will come to an end. Eventually our apathetic tolerance of such foolishness will give way to anger which will quickly become rage. Change is on the way because we either change or we cease to exist as a civilisation. Our civilisation is like a dule of young turkeys who are in danger of losing their marbles. One day in the not too distant future I believe that gold and silver will be great investments; almost as good as a stockpile of baked beans.
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#142. To: Destro (#140)
Correction: "The desire to rule is the mother of Destro". Do you make stupid remarks just to be noticed ?
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
A. Yes, we choose to live quite poor by American standards. B. I never said that the people in the Appalachians "choose" to live in their personal state of poverty. C. My question was what is you narrow minded, view through a toilet paper tube, name for the likes of us here on the farm?? I am posting my previous comment to save you the trouble of looking back and maybe getting lost so that you may answer my original question. "Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Thank you, but no great compliments are due. We simply live as we see fit and follow our hearts to do what we feel is truly right.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
according to you they are the enemy - feeding the beast are they not?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Only a delusional American thinks the Chinese will invade America - meanwhile America invades everywhere and sends her fleet to China's shores every now and then in a show of force.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I don't want to rule a thing. I do want to free America from her demons - that includes the demon of ignorance most Americans have been possessed of in the last 3 decades.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
A quote from Destro: You yourself were advocating buying Chinese in order to empower a nation that can stand up the the USA overseas, You are nothing but an argumentative, ignorant, narrow-minded schmuck who cannot even stick to your own argument. Once again (I have lost count as to how many time this has happened) you have talked yourself full circle to prove how flawed your own thoughts are.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Like it or not, the center of the economic universe is shifting to Asia. It looks unstoppable whether you buy the cheap toaster or the more expensive German one. It won't be long before those German toasters will be made by Bulgarians. The West is on its last legs. Richard W.
Yes, I do see this myself. But I refuse to contribute to the problem. If you live in an inner city neighborhood where murder rates are off the charts, do you just throw your hands in the air and say "if you can't beat 'em join 'em"? Do you become a murderer yourself? No, you do what you can to keep you and your family alive. That is what we do here. IF the majority of Americans would refuse to buy products from Asia, and maybe even gravitate towards American made, yes, we could change this trend. But I know well, this will never happen. That is why I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, being evangelistic and trying to warn the masses will not help the problem, the masses do not want to change. Instead, we do what we can to support American industry, and preferably free trade (no, not NAFTA, or International free trade, but free trade between two individuals without the government getting a piece of the action)and try to be as self sufficient as possible for when our economy does collapse.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
So let me get this down right - you advocate starving the beast that is the evil federalist govt but you don't want to starve it too much so they can fight the Chinese and preserve the American Military Industrial Complex by building more weapons to take on the world than any nation does today - including the Chinese who think they are fine with maybe 200 nukes rather than the thousands we Americans have? Like I said - your ilk - be they 'survivalists' or 'militiamen' or 'freemen' or 'patriot movement' types have a problem with cognitive dissonance. My Chinese example was just that - an example. You types advocate resistance by starving the beast of revenue - so I say cut the penny anty stuff - go for the big revenue stream from corporations and support non American industry. That will kill off the Federal beast quicker then living in the woods eating bark.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
False.
"I've been running from the devil and he hasn't caught me yet."--Jason Boland and the Stragglers.
A. I do not eat bark, I save that for the goats B. I do not wish to support ANY industry, I work to either produce it myself, or purchase from a small private business, but if industry is the only means to acquire what I need, then yes, I will buy American ahead of foreign. Of course I stated all of this in an earlier post that you did not have the attention span to read to its full extent. C. To the best of my knowledge, if there is a group that I may be stereotyped into, I have yet to discover it. I have only met two other people that are truly like myself. When taking into account the population of this country, never mind the world, you can hardly call three people a group. D. I want to strengthen the American people, not foreign countries, and not our government. This can be done, though it is not easy. I know I have mentioned many times that if more people lived as we do here on the farm there would be massive change. But I have also mentioned just as many times that I know this will not occur, your average American is far to lazy and spineless to live as we do. Nonetheless that does not mean that I will simply bow down and contribute to the problem. I will continue to do what I know to be best. If by some miracle enough American people would begin to implement changes by their actions, I would call it a miracle, as that is what it would be.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Unfortunately Destro is somewhat correct on this one (as much as I do not like him) But I despise that because one group of survivalists during one period in American history did call themselves "retreaters" that now all survivalists (in Destro's small mind) are retreaters.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
If masses of blood-thirsty gangs are charging towards you and your loved ones, would you stand there in order to be a "good citizen" or would you wish you had retreated to safety instead?
Come on Destro get real...
There have always been people who were loners who wanted to leave society, get away from people and become mountain-men or just go to the backwoods and live off the land. No one ever suggested such people were bad citizens, maybe a bit eccentric, but they were never thought of in the least bit as being bad and certainly not criminal. I find this thread very interesting, reading between the lines of Destro's posts is very telling. No one should have to be defensive about their choice of life-style as long as no laws are broken and no one gets hurt, isn't that what the media repeatedly tells us, Destro? In fact the homosexual lifestyle is often touted as a positive form of diversity. So what is the big deal if someone chooses to live as a "retreater"?
No he/she is not being disingenuous, as you have portrayed all such people who retreat as being bad citizens.
No one has to fear a Chinese invasion. They will simply take up the reins of civilization after the west becomes one big dust-heap.
Only in your 'Turner Diaries' wet dreams...
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
That was a low blow Destro. I don't wish harm on you or anyone, perhaps you do though to think up such a thing.
I was NOT implying that you are a homosexual if that is what you are so angry about, I was using that as an example of an alternative, acceptable life-style that we are all very familiar with.
Destro is a thoroughbred member of the Synagogue of Satan, and ... nothing but an argumentative, ignorant, narrow-minded (motherfucker) schmuck who cannot even stick to his/her own argument.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
Don't apologize to this worm. "It" (he/she) is a spineless piece of maggot shit and likely a fag too.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
Don't apologize to this worm. "It" (he/she) is a spineless piece of maggot shit and likely a fag too.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
I would stand there and gun them down with my lawful weapons. They would be mincemeat and I would spit on their graves.
"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798
Look ay this homepage ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/homepage.cgi? h=Destro
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
I wasn't even implying he was a fag, I was trying to point out that homosexuality which used to be frowned upon by society is now crammed down our throats, yet if a person wants to live out in the boonies as a recluse he's a bad citizen now, it just doesn't make sense. And he knows if all hell broke loose in this country he would not be standing in the streets of NYC, being a good citizen doesn't accomplish much if you put yourself in harm's way. I was just pointing out some inconsistencies but I guess he didn't appreciate it!
Maybe a year later when some sort of post Mad Max like world emerges gold may be the currency of choice but during the Mad Max period I don't think gold will be worth much. I have to agree with you there. But not preparing for the post mad max period is kinda stupid, no?
I don't like greek food as a rule, but greek owned diners do make the best breakfast. :)
Clearly delusional and likely sociopathic.
"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798
I have been in the survivalist movement for over twenty years, and have only heard this term used once or twice, and always in a negative fashion by non- survivalists.
"I've been running from the devil and he hasn't caught me yet."--Jason Boland and the Stragglers.
Surviving hangovers doesn't count.
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
Near as I can tell, these people who call survivalists "retreaters" are those who can clearly see that there are troubled waters ahead, yet either lack the knowledge or motivation to prepare properly, so they feel the need to insult those of us who are prepared/preparing in order to feel better about their lack of preparedness.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
The survivalists that Destro is referring to are those of us down here like us here on the farm. People who are active in their local economy, work hard, and don't cause any trouble - yet who are prepared to survive whatever comes our way ( right now prepared for an economic breakdown). We have done nothing to retreat from society (though in the near future I will be opting out of the Social Security program) raise a garden and chickens and goats and a calf for our own consumption in self defense and so on. Yet somehow Destro believes that people like us are retreaters.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Destro the Brat has a home in another country so he does not have to worry about such things.
Clearly delusional and likely sociopathic. Actually, after looking at it, some of his more idiotic comments make more sense. Now I can see why wants Americans to buy Chinese in order to empower them - he lives in cartoon land and that goes right along with his little cartoon character. I bet he even has a little GI Joe Destro doll there by his computer to inspire him!!!
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Yep, that is why he does not care what happens to this country. Also, as his plan for survival includes retreat, all survivalists must then be retreaters, right?
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
At least thinks he is a Thoroughbred. I think he is more of a useless nag that needs to be put out of our misery.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
I meant that the notion that some on the fringe hold that roving bands of Americans will degenerate into gangs - some add on cannibalistic gangs - is an old American nightmare - recently reused in 'The Turner Diaries'. It was even the central plot to the silent movie 'Birth of a Nation'. It was even a story told about New Orleans during Katrina - mass rapes and cannibalism - which turns out to have been false.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
My whole point is instead of working in the here and now to prevent a Mad Max world you have people giving up and waiting for one to happen - that is wrong thinking in my view. Work to prevent Mad Max along with your fellow citizens not work to survive Mad Max on your own. Don't buy gold reserves to prepare for a future melt down - pool your money and organize grass roots movements to prevent a melt down.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
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#143. To: Destro (#138)
Appalachian like poverty is not chosen by those people nor does it have a political rational - i.e. their poverty is not based on them wanting to belong to a political/social movement.
So what does that make a family who has chosen to be "poor" by eliminating debt and also working away from the house less (hence living on less income) so they can be "dirt farmers" in order to eat healthier and be prepared for an economic breakdown?
#144. To: christine (#139)
you are a woman of substance and a fine patriot. ;)
#145. To: ladybug (#141)
Have you ever considered that the people who sell these goods still pay income taxes
#146. To: ladybug (#141)
What American in their would want another government to forcefully take over our country.
#147. To: noone222 (#142)
Correction: "The desire to rule is the mother of Destro". Do you make stupid remarks just to be noticed ?
#148. To: Destro (#146)
Only a delusional American thinks the Chinese will invade America - meanwhile America invades everywhere and sends her fleet to China's shores every now and then in a show of force.
Buy Chinese whenever you can - no quicker way to eliminate the power of America.
and another: If you are for the destruction of the Federalies then I see no better way to destroy the beast by starvation than starving the beast of manufacturing revenues and empowering a nation that can stand up to the USA overseas.
#149. To: ladybug (#148)
#150. To: Arete (#149)
Like it or not, the center of the economic universe is shifting to Asia
#151. To: ladybug, Arete (#148)
#152. To: Destro (#112)
'Retreater' was what the Survivalists were once self-called.
#153. To: Destro (#151)
You types advocate resistance by starving the beast of revenue - so I say cut the penny anty stuff - go for the big revenue stream from corporations and support non American industry. That will kill off the Federal beast quicker then living in the woods eating bark.
#154. To: Redheadedstranger (#152)
Retreater' was what the Survivalists were once self-called.
#155. To: Destro (#103)
Retreating is not resistance. It is avoidance.
#156. To: Destro, Arete (#109)
I repeat "survivalist-retreater" to be more accurate - it is something I find Americans lack - the ability for the current American mind to think accurately so I need to clarify each statement to the max.
#157. To: ladybug, Destro, Arete (#126)
It is not breaking any laws, violating any ones rights, I am not running off to some cave to be a hermit.
#158. To: Destro, Axenolith (#134)
This 'Survivalist' is not the same as people who live off the earth because they are poor dirt farmers like the Appalachians. Any attempt by you to link this movement to just natural skills acquired by people who live off the earth but have no political or ideological bent to their being mountain folks is disingenuous.
#159. To: Destro (#151)
including the Chinese who think they are fine with maybe 200 nukes rather than the thousands we Americans have?
#160. To: Diana (#155)
If masses of blood-thirsty gangs are charging towards you and your loved ones
#161. To: Destro (#160)
#162. To: Destro (#157)
#163. To: ladybug (#148)
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You yourself were advocating buying Chinese in order to empower a nation that can stand up the the USA overseas,
#164. To: Diana (#162)
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I was NOT implying that you are a homosexual if that is what you are so angry about,
#165. To: Diana (#162)
I was NOT implying that you are a homosexual if that is what you are so angry about,
#166. To: Diana (#155)
If masses of blood-thirsty gangs are charging towards you and your loved ones, would you stand there
#167. To: BTP Holdings (#166)
#168. To: noone222 (#165)
#169. To: Destro (#52)
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I don't understand why people are hostile to the notion that if our money fails - and again I don't doubt the possibility of the dollar melting down - that gold IN THE SHORT TERM gold would not be as liquid as some hope it will be.
When they come for your guns, take theirs.
#170. To: christine, Destro (#58)
greek's my favorite food, btw!
When they come for your guns, take theirs.
#171. To: noone222 (#167)
Look ay this homepage
#172. To: ladybug (#154)
#173. To: Redheadedstranger (#172)
I have been in the survivalist movement for over twenty years
#174. To: Redheadedstranger (#172)
I have been in the survivalist movement for over twenty years, and have only heard this term used once or twice, and always in a negative fashion by non- survivalists.
#175. To: Diana (#157)
There have always been people who were loners who wanted to leave society, get away from people and become mountain-men or just go to the backwoods and live off the land. No one ever suggested such people were bad citizens, maybe a bit eccentric,
#176. To: ladybug (#175)
#177. To: BTP Holdings (#171)
Look ay this homepage
destro
#178. To: Diana (#176)
Destro the Brat has a home in another country so he does not have to worry about such things.
#179. To: noone222 (#163)
Destro is a thoroughbred member of the Synagogue of Satan, and ... nothing but an argumentative, ignorant, narrow-minded (motherfucker) schmuck who cannot even stick to his/her own argument.
#180. To: Diana (#162)
#181. To: Critter (#169)
I have to agree with you there. But not preparing for the post mad max period is kinda stupid, no?
#182. To: BTP Holdings, noone222 (#171)
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