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Published: Dec 29, 2006
Author: Sam Mathid
Post Date: 2006-12-29 11:21:09 by christine
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I buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change. That was my conclusion in June of 2000 and I sense the approach of that change growing ever closer. I am not just talking about the usual economic reasons such as the gross debasement of fiat currencies around the world, or the insane levels of debt created with enthusiastic abandon by our shifty, self-serving politicians or the equally idiotic levels of private debt; neither am I talking about the sheer indifference and/or incompetence of our governing officials and their enthusiastic squandering of the vast taxes confiscated from the peasants who continue to work and create and produce despite all inducements to not do so. I am referring to the fact that Western civilisation is beset with a stupidity that is so rampant, so widespread and so ingrained that it cannot continue for much longer. 'Stupidity' is the opposite of 'smart' and both words can only exist in the context of survival in one form or another. We have drifted so far from survival as a race that we have placed survival itself at risk. How is it possible for people to not understand that rewarding the incompetent by the process of penalising the able will lead to greater incompetence? How is it possible to believe that punishing producers to reward non-producers will do anything but eventually and logically cause a total cessation of production? We live in a world where the mindless trilling of politicians and aging pop singers is regarded as the font of all wisdom; a world where some people really believe that the end is nigh because of global warming and that the government ought to spend itself billions of dollars even further into debt doing something about it… as if an organization that cannot deliver mail properly could save the world from a meteorological catastrophe. We live in a world where less than 50% of the workforce actually create wealth and who subsequently then have to support the more than 50% who do not; where private employers may no longer dictate the terms of employment to their own employees. A world where general practitioners who are trusted with nations' health are so ignorant of real causation, let alone healing, that it is usually safer not to go to them, and where psychiatrists drug human brains in crazed attempts to solve problems of the mind. At the same time as our governments have confiscated most of the financial benefits from the most major technological advance of the human race ever, they have managed via their daft social engineering schemes and outright corruption to simultaneously bankrupt western civilisation in the manner of tin-pot African dictators peeling the skins off banana republics. 'Follow the money' has justifiably become the mantra of the age as it is often the only way to find out what is really going on. To do so shows an alarming discrepancy between appearance and reality. The wide-eyed young street activists campaigning for action against global warming are, in a bizarre fact, the unwitting foot soldiers of the nuclear power industry. The white coated psychiatrists cosily posing as healers of the mind are in reality extraordinarily well paid salesmen for unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies. Pious, tax funded promoters of the war against hunger cover their dirty dollar tracks back to vast agri-business concerns like Monsanto who are the manufacturers and promoters of genetically and atomically modified foods which threaten to monopolise the world's food supply. We live in a world where new legislation banning something or other spews forth every week from our governing elite creating more and more criminals to the point where nothing, and I do mean NOTHING is not covered by some incomprehensibly complex piece of government legislation. The legislation is so obtuse that it is literally not possible to ever comply fully with any certainty even if one was so inclined. I was speaking with a policewoman a few years ago who told me that she tends to only socially mix with other members of the force. The reason? "Everyone always looks so guilty and uncomfortable when I tell them that I am a police officer. Everyone has done something that breaks the law." And that sums up the truth of the matter. Our governments have made criminals of all of us whilst allowing real criminals to roam free and easy on the streets. The constant promises of governments to end corruption and inequality and monopolies inevitably lead to greater corruption and greater inequality and greater monopolies and still people cannot see the obvious which is that government control is the problem, not the solution. It is as though the spirit of Walt Disney rules the western world and is producing a vast Road Runner fantasy whereby society can fall over steep cliffs and then pick itself up, dust itself off and carry on as though nothing had really happened. Well we are heading over a cliff, but society will not be able to pick itself up and dust itself off afterwards. Things are going to change big time when and after we reach the bottom. Survival is based upon making decisions that result in actions conducive to survival. Such decisions can only sanely be made at the level of the individual. Sometimes individuals get it wrong and suffer the consequences, so be it, but with governments taking over the decision making role you can be sure that those wrong calls will become institutionalised; and you can also be sure that there will be an awful lot of wrong calls. That is what has got us to where we are now. Heading down the path that we are currently treading it is a foregone conclusion that both personal and business initiative will cease to exist and that we will be reduced to the intellectual and economic level of Cuba or North Korea. In its ever more obsessive pursuit with saving our bodies our governments are killing our souls and in the process are reducing people to a level of apathy. Most people don't like it, but they don't feel that they can change anything. Is that a definition of apathy, or what leads to apathy? I'm not sure. Domestic turkeys don't have a high IQ and over the generations have had responsibility for their own survival bred out to the point that when born they have to be trained how to drink water by placing sparkling coloured marbles at the bottom of the water bowl for them to play with. Without this aid the poults (young turkeys) die of thirst. There is a similarity between these poults and the citizens of modern societies who rely on and trust governments to such a degree that they feel no personal responsibility for their own survival. To place that much faith in unaccountable governments is a sure recipe for non-survival. Because people start with a higher IQ than turkeys the process takes longer, but the result will eventually be the same. The poults actually have the advantage in that it is in the interests of the farmer to keep the turkeys alive… at least until Christmas. No such incentive exists for the politicians. Why would they really care whether you live or die unless it is some way affects their electoral standing? The survival traits of the human race are being bred out by a lazy illusion of permanent prosperity and safety brought about by wise and benevolent Great Nanny States. It is all madness. Of course it will come to an end. Eventually our apathetic tolerance of such foolishness will give way to anger which will quickly become rage. Change is on the way because we either change or we cease to exist as a civilisation. Our civilisation is like a dule of young turkeys who are in danger of losing their marbles. One day in the not too distant future I believe that gold and silver will be great investments; almost as good as a stockpile of baked beans.
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#181. To: Critter (#169)
My whole point is instead of working in the here and now to prevent a Mad Max world you have people giving up and waiting for one to happen - that is wrong thinking in my view. Work to prevent Mad Max along with your fellow citizens not work to survive Mad Max on your own. Don't buy gold reserves to prepare for a future melt down - pool your money and organize grass roots movements to prevent a melt down.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
My whole point is instead of working in the here and now to prevent a Mad Max world you have people giving up and waiting for one to happen - that is wrong thinking in my view. Work to prevent Mad Max along with your fellow citizens not work to survive Mad Max on your own. Don't buy gold reserves to prepare for a future melt down - pool your money and organize grass roots movements to prevent a melt down. The 'Retreater' aspect of the movement melted away but the mindset of separation from society has not. The 'survivalists' also have melted away as a movement replaced with a more generalist group which has adopted the term 'preparedness' over 'survivalist' because of the negative connotation of the world survivalist took on in the late 70s and early 80s. The movemnt I have an issue with are those that don't want to do anything other than wait for the crud to hit the fan. I don't want you people out of sight and avoiding the govt - I want people to organize and confront/stand up to the power of the govt and fix the problem rather wait for the end. The 'be prepared' part I have no problem with - I do have a problem with those that say the end is near - do nothing but wait till it happens.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
The 'be prepared' part I have no problem with - I do have a problem with those that say the end is near - do nothing but wait till it happens. And buying foreign goods is your solution?? Why do you think that I buy domestic and privately?? I do what I can to support our economy without feeding the beast. Yet I make sure that I am prepared for when the breakdown happens (I believe that it will as few people are working towards a positive solution), this does not cost a lot of money, in fact in many ways it is cheaper than the average American life. The biggest cost is time.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Listen, I realise you are a dimwit - I was MOCKING your assertion that to destroy the federal govt you need to disengage from the system and starve the Feds of taxes. In reply I mocked your position and proposed that what the hell - buy Chinese imports and ignore American products (thus depriving the Feds of revenues at a greater clip) and speed up the process of starvation. Capice?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Religion is a lie. God is a lie. What is wrong with you?
When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I'm an athiest and always found being civilized a sensible solution to petty tribal conflict HOW TO LOVE GOD - Meher Baba
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
Especially after those particularly bad acid trips.
"I've been running from the devil and he hasn't caught me yet."--Jason Boland and the Stragglers.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
OK oh wise one, what in the hell is you solution you might want to consult your GI Joe on this one. P.S. oh linguist expert, you do realize that you don't know how to spell?
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Such wisdom is not for the likes of you.
"I've been running from the devil and he hasn't caught me yet."--Jason Boland and the Stragglers.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
If there were a major economic collapse it could be dangerous to be out in the streets, when Katrina hit New Orleans it was a nightmare to be there, for one people were in danger of drowning and many did. The lucky ones drove out of there before it hit (like my cousin and her husband who lost their home and he lost the building where he had his medical practice), I probably would have done the same had I lived there, seeing how it turned into a toxic cesspool with chemical spills and all kinds of bad stuff in that water, and of course there was no power and no food, and many ended up dying. I never heard the stories of mass rapes or cannibalism, but I know that all the refineries dump their wastes in the Mississippi River and that water that flooded and touched everything made a lot of people sick and ruined many buildings.
Also our govt is not very good at listening to the people, they do what they want now regardless.
Uphold the Constitution against the left AND the right. These Bush years have shown that the right wing/so called conservatives whackos can be just as anti-constitutionalist as the Left wing whackos.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Fine. That's what you're good at...just don't try to think and philosophize with any human beings.
Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.
wouldn't dream of it, dear boy.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
The solution is to elect people who know how to get things done. Maybe some Americans of the right wing should think less of surviving in some armed camp and elect men who don't spend this nation's wealth on the military but on public infrastructures. I always ask so called survivalists if they are for cutting the armed forces budget? Most say no and look at me like I am some commie - yet they are in the woods eating bark waiting for the day the same military they want to fund to the max comes and gets them for some reason. If any survivalist can explain to me this dichotomy let me know.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
No where in the constitution does it say that I have to have a Social Security Number, yet you say that I am a bad citizen because I do not want one anymore. Isn't giving it up constitutional?
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
It does not say you can't have one either. But the solution is not to go to the woods and run away but to try and get the law changed through the constitutional system.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Yeah, with electronic voting machines where the elections can be rigged...
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
But I do not want one, can't I be a good citizen with or without one??? Don't I have the constitutional right to chose whether or not I have to participate in a program that I don't need?
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
OK, so you give up.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You can only be a good citizen if you are INVOLVED - pro or con it does not mater - as long as it is INVOLVEMENT. Finally understand? To be a citizen means to be INVOLVED. If you are against something - AGITATE rather than disengage. I find agitators the best of citizens.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I can live according to the constitution with or without a SSN, I have that right. So why do I need one to be a good citizen???
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Finally understand? To be a citizen means to be INVOLVED. If you are against something - AGITATE rather than disengage. But I am against having a SSN, I don't have to start a war over it, all I have to do is fill out a form and disassociate myself from the number. Why can't I be a good, involved citizen without that number???
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
You tell 'em! Maybe now Bush admin will straighten up and fly right.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
Good for you - since I never brought up the SS system not I - I will say that you did right by you. Your statement regarding SS# has nothing to do with my statement as far as I can tell so I can't really see how you brought it up.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Because to folk like neocon rats and commie drats, involvement means being forced to donate your MONEY to TheStateInc. It has nothing whatsoever to do with altruism, i.e. being a "good/involved" citizen. The politicowhores do not want us involved and they have proven it time and again. Get too involved and they'll report you to DHS Komrade,
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell I don't favor maintaining a standing army AT ALL. And I think that this system is too rotten to repair. Let it crash and let us start over anew.
Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.
Ahh, but you called me a retreater and a bad citizen for wanting to give up my SSN earlier in this very thread. You have all of the answers, WHY CAN'T I BE A GOOD CITIZEN WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN A VOLUNTARY SYSTEM?
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Lol. You manage to get in a good one a couple of times a year...
Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.
But I Don't Wanna donate!!! :P
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Take your babble elsewhere, son. This is becoming a serious thread.
Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.
Shut the fuck up, it's more your fault, as an educated person, that this country is in the kung-fu grip of the international banking establishment than it is Joe Six Pack's. You are bright enough to realise that beer truck drivers play a vital role in the economy.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
I vote, but I have little control over who runs for office. Most people running for office do so for the wrong reasons, so it's a matter of voting for the least of the worst. The money being spent on these war adventures is going to break the back of this country, many people are not too hopeful because of that, and our elected officials are hellbent on continuing these destructive policies. I don't think there are a lot of these armed camps of survivalists you speak of, at least to my knowledge, I think the heyday for that was in the early 90s, though there will always be such groups and always have been.
I don't want to start a war over anything either, we've got enough of that.
How many people have Ponchy on Bozo now?
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI have to agree with you there. But not preparing for the post mad max period is kinda stupid, no?
#182. To: BTP Holdings, noone222 (#171)
#183. To: ladybug, Redheadedstranger (#174)
#184. To: Destro (#183)
Don't buy gold reserves to prepare for a future melt down - pool your money and organize grass roots movements to prevent a melt down.
#185. To: ladybug (#184)
And buying foreign goods is your solution??
#186. To: Destro (#185)
#187. To: Dakmar (#186)
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Frederick Douglass: I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs.
Benjamin Franklin: The moral and religious system which Jesus Christ transmitted to us is the best the world has ever seen, or can see.
#188. To: Destro (#187)
#189. To: Dakmar (#188)
and always found being civilized a sensible solution to petty tribal conflict
#190. To: Dakmar (#188)
Diderot: A deist is someone who has not lived long enough to become an atheist. (paraphrased)
#191. To: Redheadedstranger (#189)
If, instead of seeing faults in others, we look within ourselves, we are loving God.
#192. To: Destro (#190)
To love God in the most practical way is to love our fellow beings. If we feel for others in the same way as we feel for our own dear ones, we love God.
#193. To: Destro (#185)
Listen, I realise you are a dimwit
#194. To: Dakmar (#191)
If, instead of seeing faults in others, we look within ourselves, we are loving God.
#195. To: Redheadedstranger (#194)
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#196. To: Destro (#180)
#197. To: Destro (#180)
#198. To: ladybug (#193)
OK oh wise one, what in the hell is you solution
#199. To: Dakmar (#195)
#200. To: Redheadedstranger (#199)
philosophize
#201. To: Diana, Redheadedstranger (#196)
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If there were a major economic collapse it could be dangerous to be out in the streets, when Katrina hit New Orleans it was a nightmare to be there
#202. To: Destro (#198)
Uphold the Constitution against the left AND the right.
#203. To: ladybug (#202)
No where in the constitution does it say that I have to have a Social Security Number
#204. To: Destro (#201)
The solution is to elect people who know how to get things done.
#205. To: Destro (#203)
It does not say you can't have one either. But the solution is not to go to the woods and run away but to try and get the law changed through the constitutional system.
#206. To: ladybug (#204)
#207. To: ladybug (#205)
But I do not want one, can't I be a good citizen with or without one???
#208. To: Destro (#206)
OK, so you give up.
#209. To: Destro (#207)
You can only be a good citizen if you are INVOLVED - pro or con it does not mater - as long as it is INVOLVEMENT.
#210. To: Destro (#201)
The solution is to elect people who know how to get things done. Maybe some Americans of the right wing should think less of surviving in some armed camp and elect men who don't spend this nation's wealth on the military but on public infrastructures.
#211. To: ladybug (#209)
#212. To: ladybug (#209)
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Why can't I be a good, involved citizen without that number???
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX
#213. To: Destro (#201)
#214. To: Destro (#211)
Good for you - since I never brought up the SS system not I - I will say that you did right by you.
#215. To: Dakmar (#200)
#216. To: IndieTX (#212)
Because to folk like neocon rats and commie drats, involvement means being forced to donate your MONEY to TheStateInc. It has nothing whatsoever to do with altruism, i.e. being a "good/involved" citizen. The politicowhores do not want us involved and they have proven it time and again. Get too involved and they'll report you to DHS Komrade, The time for working within a system that doesn't work is over. Revolution.
#217. To: Dakmar (#210)
#218. To: Redheadedstranger (#217)
#219. To: Destro (#201)
The solution is to elect people who know how to get things done. Maybe some Americans of the right wing should think less of surviving in some armed camp and elect men who don't spend this nation's wealth on the military but on public infrastructures.
#220. To: ladybug, Destro (#209)
But I am against having a SSN, I don't have to start a war over it, all I have to do is fill out a form and disassociate myself from the number.
#221. To: Dakmar (#218)
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