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Published: Dec 29, 2006
Author: Sam Mathid
Post Date: 2006-12-29 11:21:09 by christine
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I buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change. That was my conclusion in June of 2000 and I sense the approach of that change growing ever closer. I am not just talking about the usual economic reasons such as the gross debasement of fiat currencies around the world, or the insane levels of debt created with enthusiastic abandon by our shifty, self-serving politicians or the equally idiotic levels of private debt; neither am I talking about the sheer indifference and/or incompetence of our governing officials and their enthusiastic squandering of the vast taxes confiscated from the peasants who continue to work and create and produce despite all inducements to not do so. I am referring to the fact that Western civilisation is beset with a stupidity that is so rampant, so widespread and so ingrained that it cannot continue for much longer. 'Stupidity' is the opposite of 'smart' and both words can only exist in the context of survival in one form or another. We have drifted so far from survival as a race that we have placed survival itself at risk. How is it possible for people to not understand that rewarding the incompetent by the process of penalising the able will lead to greater incompetence? How is it possible to believe that punishing producers to reward non-producers will do anything but eventually and logically cause a total cessation of production? We live in a world where the mindless trilling of politicians and aging pop singers is regarded as the font of all wisdom; a world where some people really believe that the end is nigh because of global warming and that the government ought to spend itself billions of dollars even further into debt doing something about it… as if an organization that cannot deliver mail properly could save the world from a meteorological catastrophe. We live in a world where less than 50% of the workforce actually create wealth and who subsequently then have to support the more than 50% who do not; where private employers may no longer dictate the terms of employment to their own employees. A world where general practitioners who are trusted with nations' health are so ignorant of real causation, let alone healing, that it is usually safer not to go to them, and where psychiatrists drug human brains in crazed attempts to solve problems of the mind. At the same time as our governments have confiscated most of the financial benefits from the most major technological advance of the human race ever, they have managed via their daft social engineering schemes and outright corruption to simultaneously bankrupt western civilisation in the manner of tin-pot African dictators peeling the skins off banana republics. 'Follow the money' has justifiably become the mantra of the age as it is often the only way to find out what is really going on. To do so shows an alarming discrepancy between appearance and reality. The wide-eyed young street activists campaigning for action against global warming are, in a bizarre fact, the unwitting foot soldiers of the nuclear power industry. The white coated psychiatrists cosily posing as healers of the mind are in reality extraordinarily well paid salesmen for unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies. Pious, tax funded promoters of the war against hunger cover their dirty dollar tracks back to vast agri-business concerns like Monsanto who are the manufacturers and promoters of genetically and atomically modified foods which threaten to monopolise the world's food supply. We live in a world where new legislation banning something or other spews forth every week from our governing elite creating more and more criminals to the point where nothing, and I do mean NOTHING is not covered by some incomprehensibly complex piece of government legislation. The legislation is so obtuse that it is literally not possible to ever comply fully with any certainty even if one was so inclined. I was speaking with a policewoman a few years ago who told me that she tends to only socially mix with other members of the force. The reason? "Everyone always looks so guilty and uncomfortable when I tell them that I am a police officer. Everyone has done something that breaks the law." And that sums up the truth of the matter. Our governments have made criminals of all of us whilst allowing real criminals to roam free and easy on the streets. The constant promises of governments to end corruption and inequality and monopolies inevitably lead to greater corruption and greater inequality and greater monopolies and still people cannot see the obvious which is that government control is the problem, not the solution. It is as though the spirit of Walt Disney rules the western world and is producing a vast Road Runner fantasy whereby society can fall over steep cliffs and then pick itself up, dust itself off and carry on as though nothing had really happened. Well we are heading over a cliff, but society will not be able to pick itself up and dust itself off afterwards. Things are going to change big time when and after we reach the bottom. Survival is based upon making decisions that result in actions conducive to survival. Such decisions can only sanely be made at the level of the individual. Sometimes individuals get it wrong and suffer the consequences, so be it, but with governments taking over the decision making role you can be sure that those wrong calls will become institutionalised; and you can also be sure that there will be an awful lot of wrong calls. That is what has got us to where we are now. Heading down the path that we are currently treading it is a foregone conclusion that both personal and business initiative will cease to exist and that we will be reduced to the intellectual and economic level of Cuba or North Korea. In its ever more obsessive pursuit with saving our bodies our governments are killing our souls and in the process are reducing people to a level of apathy. Most people don't like it, but they don't feel that they can change anything. Is that a definition of apathy, or what leads to apathy? I'm not sure. Domestic turkeys don't have a high IQ and over the generations have had responsibility for their own survival bred out to the point that when born they have to be trained how to drink water by placing sparkling coloured marbles at the bottom of the water bowl for them to play with. Without this aid the poults (young turkeys) die of thirst. There is a similarity between these poults and the citizens of modern societies who rely on and trust governments to such a degree that they feel no personal responsibility for their own survival. To place that much faith in unaccountable governments is a sure recipe for non-survival. Because people start with a higher IQ than turkeys the process takes longer, but the result will eventually be the same. The poults actually have the advantage in that it is in the interests of the farmer to keep the turkeys alive… at least until Christmas. No such incentive exists for the politicians. Why would they really care whether you live or die unless it is some way affects their electoral standing? The survival traits of the human race are being bred out by a lazy illusion of permanent prosperity and safety brought about by wise and benevolent Great Nanny States. It is all madness. Of course it will come to an end. Eventually our apathetic tolerance of such foolishness will give way to anger which will quickly become rage. Change is on the way because we either change or we cease to exist as a civilisation. Our civilisation is like a dule of young turkeys who are in danger of losing their marbles. One day in the not too distant future I believe that gold and silver will be great investments; almost as good as a stockpile of baked beans.
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#71. To: Randge (#70)
Ping. I thought you may enjoy this thread
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Not really - Survivalist mentality is based on a fantasy that the world will become like the 'Mad Max' movies. In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Survivalists to me are the ultimate secular material world types - If the antichrist is coming why do these so called faithful feel they need to horde themselves away like cowards and moles and not confront the beast? and become martyrs?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Yup. In Moscow if you wanted a taxi to stop for you you held up a pack of Marlboro's - they would not stop to pick you up for rubles. No one held up gold coins or diamonds or silver. I have had experience dealing with the melt down of the east European commie bloc countries which provides a real world comparison to such a fiat currency meltdown. I also know of Argentina's recent fiat money meltdown and I know from that example that employees got to be paid in goods like food instead of cash from the factories they took over when their owners abandoned them. So that is why I think that when the end comes for the dollar silver and gold will not be the currency of trade. Sure it will help but few will use it as the medium of trade.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Well, then all I have to say is that I am very glad that I desended from "fantasists" as if they had not been such, they may not have survived the Great Depression, and thus being the case, I would not be in existence to listen to your drivel.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
You won't get any argument from those that failed to survive !
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
LOL !
There was no militia/survivalist movement during the great depression so what fantasy are you talking about? In fact the last I remember Hoover ordered the army to shoot at the closest thing to a militia movement of that era the so called 'Bonus Marchers'.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You know very well that 'Survivalist' entails a very specific type - the go to the mountains and live in a bunker with stocks of arms and supplies and wait for the end preparing you shoot at people trying to take your stuff from you. I find these types 'fantasists'.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
OK schmuck, there you go putting words in peoples mouths again, I don't believe that he mentioned anything about a militia mentality during the great depression. Yes there are those who are both survivalist and militia type of people, but there can be a survivalist who wants nothing to do with militia (George Gordon perhaps??) and there are people who have the militia mentality yet have no survival instinct. Granted, those with the militia mentality typically are survivalist as well. Myself, I am a survivalist. I have no desire to go down shooting. On the other hand, if the battle is brought to me, I will defend what is my own and fight along those I love to keep it. This, in my humble opinion, is not a militia mentality, as I do not get off on the idea of having to kill someone, nor am I in any hurry to see it happen. I would far prefer if it never came to that!
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Who knew you knew Yiddish? Here you are putting words in my mouth - or to be correct words to my fingertips: I wrote: There was no militia/survivalist movement during the great depression so what fantasy are you talking about? Since the person above mentioned he was one of those 'fantasists' from the past I enquired which one? Survivalist or militia? That is why that line "/" in "militia/survivalist" implies. Since the only militia that comes to mind that meets that criteria remotely is the 'Bonus Army' which Hoover busted with force of arms. So since that leaves out the militia what was the survivalist aspect that person was talking about in the 30s? With that said I consider the militia movements in America as currently comprised and the survivalist movement (Survivalist meaning people going off to live separate from society waiting for the melt down which they will survive with stocked supplies) as wrong headed fantasists. If you want real world examples of an economic melt down and solutions see what the people of Argentina did - they did not resort to cannibalism like was implied in the 80s Survivalist/Militia movement I grew up around. For some reason the Survivalist literature given to me back in the day always talked about bands of cannibals roaming the country side after the dollar collapsed or a nuclear war went off or Y2K or whatever. At least they don't talk about the Black Helicopter delusions these days nor the fact that the UN is setting up concentration camps in Alaska for the NWO these days. I wonder what other delusion has come down the pike to replace the Black Helicopters?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
There must be a genetic marker that causes some to maintain a stubborn resistance to tyranny. Many otherwise intelligent people find it necessary to fight a gargantuan enemy with little promise of winning, out of principle. This "type" of person you call a fantasist, I call a loyal citizen. And it's this type of person that gives rise to hope that things can be restored to a tolerable condition, while others accept every incremental increase in governmental intrusion with a shrug, (like you), a non-fantasist. These people you call fantasists have been trying in some cases for 25-30 years to gain the attention of their so-called representatives with little success, yet they remain intent upon doing so without instigating violence. If and when violence breaks out, possibly through a civil war, it won't be the fantasists starting the chaos. The chaos will be the result of apathetic people, fearful of exposing themselves to damage, that have remained idle in the face of ever growing fascism for whatever reason. I think those people that move to the mountains would welcome others of like mind, and reject feeding the apathetic in the event some were able to access the high ground. All of this talk about survivalists would be unnecessary if we could form a unified resistance of millions, if we could get every person that refused to file a tax return for instance, to march on D.C. at one time, knock over a few statues and fill the Washington Mall to over flowing ... others thusfar apathetic would see this and realize that a very large part of the population is fed up and they too would join in. We should make a point of invading D.C. on July 4th with a massive number of people just to see what happens, before we have any reason to head for the mountains. Let's hope that 2007 is the turning point.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
No. Survivalists are drop outs aka 'retreaters'* - albeit heavily armed drop outs. Citizens are actively engaged in the affairs of the state - hence the origin of the word 'citizen' being an active member of the 'city'. The word 'idiot' is of Greek origin - it means someone who does not actively engage in the affairs of the city/polis. Survivalists (of the type I described) are thus idiots. PS: Modern members of the militia movement are not 'idiots' (because they are trying to uphold a segment of the constitution and be active citizens via the militia clause of the 2nd Amend.) but I do feel they are unpractical and ineffectual. * author Don Stephens in Washington (author of The Survivor's Primer & Up-dated Retreater's Bibliography, 1976) popularized the term "retreater" to describe the movement, referring to preparations to leave the cities to a rural retreat when society breaks down. For a time in the 1970s, the terms "survivalist" and "retreater" were used interchangeably. The term "retreater" eventually fell out of favor, perhaps because "survivalist" has a more macho connotation.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Those who fail to learn from history will repeat it. The American Army will shoot and club and bayonet those hypothetical marchers - like the American army commanded by Gen. MacArthur did to the so called 'Bonus Army' under Republican president Hoover.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Destro: Goethe once said "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." I believe he was right. A good analogy is a calf turned out in a pasture. He is free to roam and graze as he pleases. BUT how free is he really? Our list of freedoms grows shorter by the day. We can't even go to the grocery store and buy RAW MILK for crying out loud!!! Can't travel or marry without "papers", or have an opinion of "dissent" without the risk of being declared "a terrorist enemy of the state". Your delusional perception of freedom will slowly get you led to slaughter - as at the point you realize it's gotten out of control it will be too late. You (along with Starwind and Nolu_Chan) do not seem to realize that the "root" of evil in this country is the government itself and it's most central components such as taxation, a fiat currency and the resultant ability for inflation, and the military industrial complex. It is fitting to remember the words of Henry David Thoreau: While the likes of you and Starwind advocate things like working within the system to effect change you show your ignorance. (Nolu_Chan doesn't even seem to want to advocate change - govt shill) You are striking at the branches and leaving the root. A hailstorm may rip all the branches off a tree, but if the root is left intact the tree will survive and come back. Benjamin Franklin once said "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Mr Franklin made an important choice in the use of his words - the scornful use of "deserve". "If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." You'd like to think you have common sense, but I'm afraid you're sorely lacking in that department. You think your education gives you an upper hand but it doesn't. As Rudyard Kipling once wrote: So call us "fantasists", "survivalists", "idiots" or whatever you want - it is only those types that share a common vision with the Founding Fathers of true freedom - and stand ready to truly fight the evil our government has become so that you gutless wonders (which I call dropouts) can one day say "we won". Do us a favor - don't include yourselves in that "we" statement...
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
Nobody will be getting back up after that KO. ;)
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell You are the language expert, you should know that schmuck is in the English dictionary and does have English usage. I do believe that we have discussed before that I prefer to use the modern definitions of the English language. Fair is fair, after all, you choose to define words for your own purpose, so I shall be allowed to follow in suit. The main difference is that the definitions that I choose to use are all readily accessible in any English dictionary. What was the survivalist mentality??? Hmm, let me see here, if trying to figure out how to feed your family is not a survivalist mentality, then I guess I have been incorrect. My mistake is that either you are even more ignorant than I gave you credit for, or those who survived were just lucky. But I am sure that if another "Great Depression" or any comparable event were to hit our society today, the mortality rate would be astonishing. Very few within the cities would have a clue how to feed themselves, and the percentages would only be slightly higher in the country. But according to you, this has nothing to do with survival. Odd, I did not know that you had to "drop-out" of society to have the mentality and ability to survive if and when the shit hits the fan. Damn, guess I have had it wrong all along. If disaster hit today I would be doomed. Here on the farm we can produce all of our own food, have horses for transportation, and have stores for things that we cannot raise But I am doomed Destro said so, because I am an active member of my community, I AM DOOMED!!! I guess I had best inform the local business owners that accept silver that it will do them no good to be prepared, because they are active members in our society, They are doomed as well.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
Was that before or after the appearance of the term "white flight"?
ARAGORN: Murderers... traitors! You would call upon them to fight? They believe in nothing! They answer to no one! Actually the best way to kill a tree is girdling.
ARAGORN: Murderers... traitors! You would call upon them to fight? They believe in nothing! They answer to no one! From the link: If the food-transporting phloem is severed all the way around the tree (a process called "girdling"), food cannot be carried to the roots and they will eventually die. As the roots die, so does the tree.... ...Some trees are prolific sprouters and produce adventitious twigs near an injury. If you don't remove or kill the entire root, you just may have to control these sprouts. Sprouts coming out below the girdle must be removed as they will continue the process of feeding the roots if left to grow. No matter how you look at it - if you don't stop the root, you ain't done shit.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
Retreating (as Survivalists were first called retreaters) is not 'resistance to tyranny' - it is not even Ghandi like non violent resistance. Survivalists are drop outs - which was a popular view on both the left and the right in the late 60s and through the 70s - the Survivalists were just late to the game - adopting the left hippie mantra of 'tune in and drop out' and the concept of the hippie commune but with guns and no peace and love BS. But don't claim a Survivalist is a good citizen which was what I was responding to - they may be good people - but they are not active citizens.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
There you go again putting words into my mouth - Words do have meaning: Survivalist is a specific type of person/movement - surviving the Great Depression is not being a 'Survivalist'. So stop with the BS. Secondly, twit - I am against Survivalist mindsets because these Survivalists are not active members of their community - they run away rather than confront. Where did I write being an active community member leads to your doom? In fact i wrote that being inactive in politics or the affairs of your world is to be an idiot.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Just because Don Stephens popularized the term "retreater" to describe a "survivalist" doesn't mean that the meaning of the word "survivalist" is "retreater", or even that they could or should be used interchangeably. From Webster's dictionary: survivalism survival survive(s) I thought I addressed common sense in my last reply... P.S. I thought it was YOU who further up in the thread claimed that when "the shit hits the fan" you'd survive by retreating to your family's "Greek island villa"... Perhaps in YOUR case survivalist and retreater CAN be used interchangeably, but just because it applies to you doesn't make it so for the rest of us.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
I refuted the fact that being a 'retreater' is being a good citizen per whoever wrote that. If I fled - and I may when the country goes to hell - I don't rule out anything - that would not be a sign of being a good citizen - a good citizen is one who stands and stays and trys to fix things. I may do that I many not - I don't know till the event happens - if it happens. Fair enough?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Kits to test it are easy to come by and the bullion coins merely need be checked for weight and tolerances.
"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels – bring home for Emma"
In the frenzy good water or the means to obtain it may comand a preminum. Ya got gold, so what we got water. We here have had city stopping blizzards, and the grocery stores have run a little short of some foods. This is not something we are used to seeing, and I think it engendered a bit of a panic in the people here. From what I know, the average city supermarket has THREE DAYS of food in a nonpanic situation, Panic, my guess is sixteen hours. Our family is almost like a convience store we have so much food and such around. We have fourty pounds of rice in a cooler and the same of wheat in the basement as well as several cases of canned corn and beans. I figure we're good for an easy four weeks or more, prolly six counting the shrimp in the freezer. I may be wrong, cause it goes faster than I think, as I can go the the store every day if left to my own devices. If the system goes down tho, water is going to be the first big thing. Our main popped a few months ago and all of a sudden the loos wouldn't flush. So we stupidly let our remaining potable water flush the loos and had nothing to drink or wash with. We have a good running stream close by and some filters and a bit of a plan if the SHTF. Fifty pounds of rice or wheat stored somewhere where the mice can't get at it and some thought to water supply might make the difference.
And several bricks of hermetically sealed .22 LR cartiges and a hand full of large caliber shells complete the package. When you want to buy them you cannot. I hope I dump mine at the fireing range or in a dumpster when they are OOD. But for $200 today......
or liquor. Now that currency is liquid and easy to value. Tho not really. For example (and I am revealing secrets here) Ron Rico run ($7.99 a 750 ml is exactly the same liquid as Bacardi for $12.99. The only difference is the $100,000,000 spent telling you Bacardi makes you cooler if you buy it.
Dude, in the teens and twenties everyone in the Appalachians was essentially a "militia/survivalist". Merely because there wasn't a lot of violence and death doesn't mean they weren't armed, prepared and capable of generating their own food and operating in localized economies. As for the bonus marchers, they were WWI vets trying to get a compensation certificate paid out early during the depression. They were unarmed, and Hoover never ordered them shot, just forced out of DC where they were becoming an unsanitary problem...
"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels – bring home for Emma"
When you send in the army - that implies you authorized the shooting - which happened - the US Army under Gen. MacArthur marched at bayonet point and shot into the Bonus Marchers. So next time someone says lets march on DC as an organized peaceful militia force remember what the US Army did to the Bonus Marchers.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
'Survivalist' entails a very specific thing - you know it and I know it. a movement brought about due to the rising Cold War fears and the economic crisis starting in the 70s.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
So you are pretty much saying over and over again that anyone who chooses individual independence and self-reliance over participation in a corrupted fascist political system which makes people dependent on government checks and conformist thinking, is not a good citizen? Odd that the ruling class actively promotes involvement - or maybe it isn't. True freedom outside the system IS the enemy of the elitist. Richard W.
I am saying that not resisting a corrupted fascist political system is being a bad citizen. By very definition a citizen is someone who is active in the political life of the city-state. Not participating in the 'process' or 'resistance' (which can be non-violent resistance) does not make you a bad person but that is not the sign of being a good citizen. Retreating is not resistance. It is avoidance.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I respectfully disagree. There is no real meanful public participation in the current system. Proof - the choices "handed" to us in the last presidential election. Yeah right. I say, step aside, prepare and wait until the corrupted mass destroys itself. Beating your head agaist a wall is a waste of time and resouces. Richard W.
I agree to a degree. The issue before us is if not participating by say becoming a 'survivalist- retreater' (a more accurate term?) is a sign of being a good citizen or not. I consider resistance as a form of participation as well as continuing working within the corrupt system in an attempt to change it. I don't consider 'dropping out' a form of resistance nor do I consider it an act of 'civitas' - though I understand why some do.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You are a very absolutist thinker - black or white. That's what the government shills and propagandists do - "for us or against us". "You must be a liberal and hate America if you don't support the war". It's so much bullshit and so is a narrow restrictive definition of what a good citizen does or doesn't do. I fight the system by staying out of debt and not falling for the latest corportate "must have" gadget. Above all, I don't let others define me. Richard W.
That is a wrong assesment - Citizen has a very specific political meaning. I fight the system by staying out of debt and not falling for the latest corportate "must have" gadget. Above all, I don't let others define me. I don't understand why you are identifying this behavior of yours (which is commendable) with being a 'survivalist-retreater'? I don't consider the 'survivalist-retreater' philosophy and behavior indicative of good participatory citizenship.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
It is only one aspect of my susvivalist personality. Like I said, you are an absolutist and I'm stating to think a propaganist/shill. You start off by narrowly defining people and categorizing them with labels and then you attach a negative modifier to your falsely labeled group. I see that you are now repeating "survivalist-retreater" over and over as if it were true. Next, you will be asking to see our purple fingers. The idea that survivalists are either "retreaters" or not good citizens is pure bullshit. Richard W.
For who? Because I have an opinion? I repeat "survivalist-retreater" to be more accurate - it is something I find Americans lack - the ability for the current American mind to think accurately so I need to clarify each statement to the max. Americans have become a muddled addled brained people and I find I need to speak to them on a babyish level because any sign of complexity is viewed with hostility. The group I am talking about started off being called both "survivalists and or retreaters" and some of you 'shills' have taken to mean survivalist as someone who has a preparation/emergency bag, etc. You know very well that "survivalist-retreater" movement was more than this - it was a complete abandonment of any participation in American life beyond gathering supplies for the end time. So in reality I am not using a black and white assessment - I just state that the badge of good citizen is based on the concept that the citizen is an active member of his city-state. I don't see how someone who drops out of society is such a good citizen in the political meaning of the word 'citizen'.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
How are they good citizens? Being a citizen entails a mutual relationship between the citizen and the city-state. If the state fails in its obligations to the citizen then the citizen is obliged to correct the deficiencies of the polis not hide out in the woods.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
No shit . . . and no one fell for it. Now take a step back and consider who your audience is. Richard W.
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#72. To: ladybug (#70)
You may want to consider relocating to one for the above mentioned reasons.
#73. To: noone222, wakeup (#61)
#74. To: DeaconBenjamin, Tauzero, BTP Holdings, Sonovademocrat, noone222, christine (#65)
"in the 1980s, cartons of Kent cigarettes had replaced currency as the preferred medium of exchange in Romania."
#75. To: Destro (#72)
In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.
#76. To: innieway, Destro (#75)
In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.
#77. To: noone222 (#76)
You won't get any argument from those that failed to survive !
#78. To: innieway (#75)
Well, then all I have to say is that I am very glad that I desended from "fantasists" as if they had not been such, they may not have survived the Great Depression, and thus being the case, I would not be in existence to listen to your drivel.
#79. To: noone222, innieway, christine (#76)
#80. To: Destro (#78)
There was no militia/survivalist movement during the great depression so what fantasy are you talking about?
#81. To: ladybug (#80)
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OK schmuck, there you go putting words in peoples mouths again, I don't believe that he mentioned anything about a militia mentality during the great depression.
#82. To: Destro (#79)
You know very well that 'Survivalist' entails a very specific type - the go to the mountains and live in a bunker with stocks of arms and supplies and wait for the end preparing you shoot at people trying to take your stuff from you.
#83. To: noone222 (#82)
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There must be a genetic marker that causes some to maintain a stubborn resistance to tyranny. Many otherwise intelligent people find it necessary to fight a gargantuan enemy with little promise of winning, out of principle. This "type" of person you call a fantasist, I call a loyal citizen.
#84. To: noone222 (#82)
We should make a point of invading D.C. on July 4th with a massive number of people just to see what happens
#85. To: Destro, Noone222, Christine, Lodwick, BTP Holdings, Indie TX, HOUNDDAWG, wakeup, All (#83)
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Noone222:
There must be a genetic marker that causes some to maintain a stubborn resistance to tyranny. Many otherwise intelligent people find it necessary to fight a gargantuan enemy with little promise of winning, out of principle. This "type" of person you call a fantasist, I call a loyal citizen.
No. Survivalists are drop outs
(1) He does have his boundaries which he cannot overstep.
(2) He is just biding his time to be put in line for a bullet to the head by his master.
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."
He was not commenting on mere facts, nor of natural laws, but on the caliber of such men; that they would in so doing also throw away the liberty of their fellow man, and thus no longer merited the benefits of free men.
This is the category in which YOU (along with Starwind and Nolu_Chan) fall - that in your complicity towards government's slow but ever-growing intrusions on our liberties and God-given rights, you no longer merit the benefits of free men; which brings up a quote by Samuel Adams which seems very fitting for you, Starwind, and Nolu_Chan:
" Common sense is very uncommon. Common sense is in spite of, not as a result of education. Common sense is instinct, and enough is genius. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he need more of it than he already has. Common sense is the knack of seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done."
#86. To: innieway (#85)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX
#87. To: Destro (#81)
Who knew you knew Yiddish?
So since that leaves out the militia what was the survivalist aspect that person was talking about in the 30s?
No. Survivalists are drop outs aka 'retreaters'* - albeit heavily armed drop outs. Citizens are actively engaged in the affairs of the state - hence the origin of the word 'citizen' being an active member of the 'city'.
#88. To: Destro (#83)
For a time in the 1970s, the terms "survivalist" and "retreater" were used interchangeably.
ELROND: They will answer to the King of Gondor!
#89. To: innieway, IndieTX, BTP Holdings (#85)
It is fitting to remember the words of Henry David Thoreau: "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."
ELROND: They will answer to the King of Gondor!
#90. To: Tauzero (#89)
#91. To: innieway, Noone222, Christine, Lodwick, BTP Holdings, Indie TX, HOUNDDAWG, wakeup, All (#85)
resistance to tyranny
#92. To: ladybug (#87)
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But I am doomed Destro said so, because I am an active member of my community, I AM DOOMED!!!
#93. To: Destro (#91)
Retreating (as Survivalists were first called retreaters)
survivalist
Function: noun
: a person who advocates or practices survivalism; especially : one who has prepared to survive in the anarchy of an anticipated breakdown of society
Function: noun
an attitude, policy, or practice based on the primacy of survival as a value
Function: noun
1 a : the act or fact of living or continuing longer than another person or thing b : the continuation of life or existence
2 : one that survives
Function: verb
1 : to remain alive or in existence : live on
2 : to continue to function or prosper
3 : to continue to exist or live after (an event)[survived the earthquake]
#94. To: innieway (#93)
#95. To: Destro (#12)
Doubt it unless you happen to have a jeweler on hand that can determine that the gold and silver being sold to you is of the purity claimed.
#96. To: Destro (#55)
That is why I am saying during the initial mad max period that instead of gold I think stuff like Spam and cigs and bullets will be the currency of choice.
#97. To: Destro (#55)
Spam and cigs and bullets will be the currency of choice.
#98. To: Diana (#67)
or the guy who shows up with canned goods and cigarettes or bullets
#99. To: Destro (#78)
There was no militia/survivalist movement during the great depression so what fantasy are you talking about? In fact the last I remember Hoover ordered the army to shoot at the closest thing to a militia movement of that era the so called 'Bonus Marchers'.
#100. To: Axenolith (#99)
As for the bonus marchers, they were WWI vets trying to get a compensation certificate paid out early during the depression. They were unarmed, and Hoover never ordered them shot, just forced out of DC where they were becoming an unsanitary problem...
#101. To: Axenolith (#99)
Dude, in the teens and twenties everyone in the Appalachians was essentially a "militia/survivalist".
#102. To: Destro (#94)
I refuted the fact that being a 'retreater' is being a good citizen per whoever wrote that.
#103. To: Arete (#102)
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So you are pretty much saying over and over again that anyone who chooses individual independence and self-reliance over participation in a corrupted fascist political system
#104. To: Destro (#103)
Retreating is not resistance. It is avoidance.
#105. To: Arete (#104)
There is no real meanful public participation in the current system.
#106. To: Destro (#105)
#107. To: Arete (#106)
You are a very absolutist thinker - black or white.
#108. To: Destro (#107)
I don't understand why you are identifying this behavior of yours (which is commendable) with being a 'survivalist-retreater'?
#109. To: Arete (#108)
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I'm stating to think a propaganist/shill.
#110. To: Arete (#108)
The idea that survivalists are either "retreaters" or not good citizens is pure bullshit.
#111. To: Destro (#109)
I repeat "survivalist-retreater"
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