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Title: Domestic Turkeys
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URL Source: http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/mathid122706.html
Published: Dec 29, 2006
Author: Sam Mathid
Post Date: 2006-12-29 11:21:09 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 4035
Comments: 295

I buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change. That was my conclusion in June of 2000 and I sense the approach of that change growing ever closer.

I am not just talking about the usual economic reasons such as the gross debasement of fiat currencies around the world, or the insane levels of debt created with enthusiastic abandon by our shifty, self-serving politicians or the equally idiotic levels of private debt; neither am I talking about the sheer indifference and/or incompetence of our governing officials and their enthusiastic squandering of the vast taxes confiscated from the peasants who continue to work and create and produce despite all inducements to not do so.

I am referring to the fact that Western civilisation is beset with a stupidity that is so rampant, so widespread and so ingrained that it cannot continue for much longer. 'Stupidity' is the opposite of 'smart' and both words can only exist in the context of survival in one form or another. We have drifted so far from survival as a race that we have placed survival itself at risk.

How is it possible for people to not understand that rewarding the incompetent by the process of penalising the able will lead to greater incompetence? How is it possible to believe that punishing producers to reward non-producers will do anything but eventually and logically cause a total cessation of production?

We live in a world where the mindless trilling of politicians and aging pop singers is regarded as the font of all wisdom; a world where some people really believe that the end is nigh because of global warming and that the government ought to spend itself billions of dollars even further into debt doing something about it… as if an organization that cannot deliver mail properly could save the world from a meteorological catastrophe. We live in a world where less than 50% of the workforce actually create wealth and who subsequently then have to support the more than 50% who do not; where private employers may no longer dictate the terms of employment to their own employees. A world where general practitioners who are trusted with nations' health are so ignorant of real causation, let alone healing, that it is usually safer not to go to them, and where psychiatrists drug human brains in crazed attempts to solve problems of the mind.

At the same time as our governments have confiscated most of the financial benefits from the most major technological advance of the human race ever, they have managed via their daft social engineering schemes and outright corruption to simultaneously bankrupt western civilisation in the manner of tin-pot African dictators peeling the skins off banana republics.

'Follow the money' has justifiably become the mantra of the age as it is often the only way to find out what is really going on. To do so shows an alarming discrepancy between appearance and reality. The wide-eyed young street activists campaigning for action against global warming are, in a bizarre fact, the unwitting foot soldiers of the nuclear power industry. The white coated psychiatrists cosily posing as healers of the mind are in reality extraordinarily well paid salesmen for unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies. Pious, tax funded promoters of the war against hunger cover their dirty dollar tracks back to vast agri-business concerns like Monsanto who are the manufacturers and promoters of genetically and atomically modified foods which threaten to monopolise the world's food supply.

We live in a world where new legislation banning something or other spews forth every week from our governing elite creating more and more criminals to the point where nothing, and I do mean NOTHING is not covered by some incomprehensibly complex piece of government legislation. The legislation is so obtuse that it is literally not possible to ever comply fully with any certainty even if one was so inclined.

I was speaking with a policewoman a few years ago who told me that she tends to only socially mix with other members of the force. The reason? "Everyone always looks so guilty and uncomfortable when I tell them that I am a police officer. Everyone has done something that breaks the law." And that sums up the truth of the matter. Our governments have made criminals of all of us whilst allowing real criminals to roam free and easy on the streets.

The constant promises of governments to end corruption and inequality and monopolies inevitably lead to greater corruption and greater inequality and greater monopolies and still people cannot see the obvious which is that government control is the problem, not the solution. It is as though the spirit of Walt Disney rules the western world and is producing a vast Road Runner fantasy whereby society can fall over steep cliffs and then pick itself up, dust itself off and carry on as though nothing had really happened. Well we are heading over a cliff, but society will not be able to pick itself up and dust itself off afterwards. Things are going to change big time when and after we reach the bottom.

Survival is based upon making decisions that result in actions conducive to survival. Such decisions can only sanely be made at the level of the individual. Sometimes individuals get it wrong and suffer the consequences, so be it, but with governments taking over the decision making role you can be sure that those wrong calls will become institutionalised; and you can also be sure that there will be an awful lot of wrong calls. That is what has got us to where we are now.

Heading down the path that we are currently treading it is a foregone conclusion that both personal and business initiative will cease to exist and that we will be reduced to the intellectual and economic level of Cuba or North Korea. In its ever more obsessive pursuit with saving our bodies our governments are killing our souls and in the process are reducing people to a level of apathy. Most people don't like it, but they don't feel that they can change anything. Is that a definition of apathy, or what leads to apathy? I'm not sure.

Domestic turkeys don't have a high IQ and over the generations have had responsibility for their own survival bred out to the point that when born they have to be trained how to drink water by placing sparkling coloured marbles at the bottom of the water bowl for them to play with. Without this aid the poults (young turkeys) die of thirst. There is a similarity between these poults and the citizens of modern societies who rely on and trust governments to such a degree that they feel no personal responsibility for their own survival.

To place that much faith in unaccountable governments is a sure recipe for non-survival. Because people start with a higher IQ than turkeys the process takes longer, but the result will eventually be the same. The poults actually have the advantage in that it is in the interests of the farmer to keep the turkeys alive… at least until Christmas. No such incentive exists for the politicians. Why would they really care whether you live or die unless it is some way affects their electoral standing? The survival traits of the human race are being bred out by a lazy illusion of permanent prosperity and safety brought about by wise and benevolent Great Nanny States. It is all madness.

Of course it will come to an end. Eventually our apathetic tolerance of such foolishness will give way to anger which will quickly become rage. Change is on the way because we either change or we cease to exist as a civilisation. Our civilisation is like a dule of young turkeys who are in danger of losing their marbles.

One day in the not too distant future I believe that gold and silver will be great investments; almost as good as a stockpile of baked beans.

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#70. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Selling gold and silver to people as a protection from currency crash is the act of fools or scam artists.

At least you are consistent. You are still the ignorant schmuck you proved yourself to be in our last conversation!

Why on earth would I entrust my financial security with any one else?? When the shit hits the fan, I am the only person I want to have access to my funds!!!

Limited world view is what you hold. You are still looking through that toilet paper tube, insisting that it is a telescope!! (Thank you for that analogy Randge!!! It will be the first thing that comes to mind every time I read something stupid from Destro!)

You may want to consider running a "get out of dodge scenario" yourself, especially living in such a populated area. In your neck of the woods, it will be difficult protecting your stores.

You may want to consider relocating to one for the above mentioned reasons. Not only does the local grocer accept precious metals, so does the local bar, and could easily talk the local gas station into it as well. Plus in the event of emergency relocation (though we plan on sticking it out as long as possible) the horses don't require fuel, and I am sure they would appreciate the lighter burden, and fewer pack animals would attract less attention from the desperate.

Your average American will have a hell of a time leaving this country when the shit hits the fan. The restrictions are being put in place as we speak, do you really think they will just let all of the little sheep run in fear and lighten security for us to leave?? I suppose you think other countries will come to our aid and assist American refugees as America has done for so many countries in the past?? Get real, you had best be where you are safe before it gets deep, travel out of the country will be impossible for all but the richest, and travel within the country will be greatly restricted.

Once again my friend, you remain true to your character. You have talked yourself full circle until you have supported the very point you were against in the beginning.

Reserving part of your assets in precious metals is in my opinion among the wisest of financial moves one could make, especially in this day and age. Not only can it be a quality investment when the economy is stable, but it can be liquid if the need arises, and when the economy turns turtle, eventually, when the new currency is established and the economy running on an even keel again, you have an easier means to reestablish your wealth.

I am not saying that stores of other tangibles is a bad thing. Food, munitions, smokes, beer, whatever you may need is a very wise choice. But any money that I will have available will be in precious metals. I hope to do very little trading for goods. Seeing how with a very large garden, and meat animals here on the farm, supplemented by stores of items that we do not raise here, we should need very little in the way of trade goods. Also, in times of economic strife, if we do trade off any of our stores, it will be for gold and silver, or some other form of barter. As we are fairly well prepared, there will be little that we would prefer over the precious metals.

Remember, Every time a country has hit hyperinflation, the government has seized funds from anyone transferring too large of an amount. When the government issues a currency, they do own those notes. When life gets tough, they can easily seize them.

ladybug  posted on  2006-12-30   23:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: ladybug (#70)

You may want to consider relocating to one for the above mentioned reasons.

Not really - Survivalist mentality is based on a fantasy that the world will become like the 'Mad Max' movies.

The survivalist approach is just not a practical approach.... You can't head for the hills because everybody else is going to be in the hills.... This is a communal problem that needs a communal approach

In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-01   1:11:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Destro (#72)

In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.

Well, then all I have to say is that I am very glad that I desended from "fantasists" as if they had not been such, they may not have survived the Great Depression, and thus being the case, I would not be in existence to listen to your drivel.

innieway  posted on  2007-01-01   15:00:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: innieway, Destro (#75)

In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.

You won't get any argument from those that failed to survive !

noone222  posted on  2007-01-01   19:18:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: noone222, innieway, christine (#76)

You know very well that 'Survivalist' entails a very specific type - the go to the mountains and live in a bunker with stocks of arms and supplies and wait for the end preparing you shoot at people trying to take your stuff from you.

I find these types 'fantasists'.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-01   20:01:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Destro (#79)

You know very well that 'Survivalist' entails a very specific type - the go to the mountains and live in a bunker with stocks of arms and supplies and wait for the end preparing you shoot at people trying to take your stuff from you.

There must be a genetic marker that causes some to maintain a stubborn resistance to tyranny. Many otherwise intelligent people find it necessary to fight a gargantuan enemy with little promise of winning, out of principle. This "type" of person you call a fantasist, I call a loyal citizen. And it's this type of person that gives rise to hope that things can be restored to a tolerable condition, while others accept every incremental increase in governmental intrusion with a shrug, (like you), a non-fantasist.

These people you call fantasists have been trying in some cases for 25-30 years to gain the attention of their so-called representatives with little success, yet they remain intent upon doing so without instigating violence. If and when violence breaks out, possibly through a civil war, it won't be the fantasists starting the chaos. The chaos will be the result of apathetic people, fearful of exposing themselves to damage, that have remained idle in the face of ever growing fascism for whatever reason.

I think those people that move to the mountains would welcome others of like mind, and reject feeding the apathetic in the event some were able to access the high ground.

All of this talk about survivalists would be unnecessary if we could form a unified resistance of millions, if we could get every person that refused to file a tax return for instance, to march on D.C. at one time, knock over a few statues and fill the Washington Mall to over flowing ... others thusfar apathetic would see this and realize that a very large part of the population is fed up and they too would join in.

We should make a point of invading D.C. on July 4th with a massive number of people just to see what happens, before we have any reason to head for the mountains. Let's hope that 2007 is the turning point.

noone222  posted on  2007-01-02   7:59:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: noone222 (#82) (Edited)

There must be a genetic marker that causes some to maintain a stubborn resistance to tyranny. Many otherwise intelligent people find it necessary to fight a gargantuan enemy with little promise of winning, out of principle. This "type" of person you call a fantasist, I call a loyal citizen.

No. Survivalists are drop outs aka 'retreaters'* - albeit heavily armed drop outs. Citizens are actively engaged in the affairs of the state - hence the origin of the word 'citizen' being an active member of the 'city'.

The word 'idiot' is of Greek origin - it means someone who does not actively engage in the affairs of the city/polis.

Survivalists (of the type I described) are thus idiots.

PS: Modern members of the militia movement are not 'idiots' (because they are trying to uphold a segment of the constitution and be active citizens via the militia clause of the 2nd Amend.) but I do feel they are unpractical and ineffectual.

* author Don Stephens in Washington (author of The Survivor's Primer & Up-dated Retreater's Bibliography, 1976) popularized the term "retreater" to describe the movement, referring to preparations to leave the cities to a rural retreat when society breaks down.

For a time in the 1970s, the terms "survivalist" and "retreater" were used interchangeably. The term "retreater" eventually fell out of favor, perhaps because "survivalist" has a more macho connotation.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-02   9:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Destro, Noone222, Christine, Lodwick, BTP Holdings, Indie TX, HOUNDDAWG, wakeup, All (#83) (Edited)

Noone222:
There must be a genetic marker that causes some to maintain a stubborn resistance to tyranny. Many otherwise intelligent people find it necessary to fight a gargantuan enemy with little promise of winning, out of principle. This "type" of person you call a fantasist, I call a loyal citizen.

Destro:
No. Survivalists are drop outs

Goethe once said "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

I believe he was right. A good analogy is a calf turned out in a pasture. He is free to roam and graze as he pleases. BUT how free is he really?
(1) He does have his boundaries which he cannot overstep.
(2) He is just biding his time to be put in line for a bullet to the head by his master.

Our list of freedoms grows shorter by the day. We can't even go to the grocery store and buy RAW MILK for crying out loud!!! Can't travel or marry without "papers", or have an opinion of "dissent" without the risk of being declared "a terrorist enemy of the state". Your delusional perception of freedom will slowly get you led to slaughter - as at the point you realize it's gotten out of control it will be too late.

You (along with Starwind and Nolu_Chan) do not seem to realize that the "root" of evil in this country is the government itself and it's most central components such as taxation, a fiat currency and the resultant ability for inflation, and the military industrial complex. It is fitting to remember the words of Henry David Thoreau:
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

While the likes of you and Starwind advocate things like working within the system to effect change you show your ignorance. (Nolu_Chan doesn't even seem to want to advocate change - govt shill) You are striking at the branches and leaving the root. A hailstorm may rip all the branches off a tree, but if the root is left intact the tree will survive and come back.

Benjamin Franklin once said "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Mr Franklin made an important choice in the use of his words - the scornful use of "deserve".
He was not commenting on mere facts, nor of natural laws, but on the caliber of such men; that they would in so doing also throw away the liberty of their fellow man, and thus no longer merited the benefits of free men.
This is the category in which YOU (along with Starwind and Nolu_Chan) fall - that in your complicity towards government's slow but ever-growing intrusions on our liberties and God-given rights, you no longer merit the benefits of free men; which brings up a quote by Samuel Adams which seems very fitting for you, Starwind, and Nolu_Chan:

"If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

You'd like to think you have common sense, but I'm afraid you're sorely lacking in that department. You think your education gives you an upper hand but it doesn't. As Rudyard Kipling once wrote:
" Common sense is very uncommon. Common sense is in spite of, not as a result of education. Common sense is instinct, and enough is genius. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he need more of it than he already has. Common sense is the knack of seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done."

So call us "fantasists", "survivalists", "idiots" or whatever you want - it is only those types that share a common vision with the Founding Fathers of true freedom - and stand ready to truly fight the evil our government has become so that you gutless wonders (which I call dropouts) can one day say "we won". Do us a favor - don't include yourselves in that "we" statement...

innieway  posted on  2007-01-02   13:15:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: innieway, Noone222, Christine, Lodwick, BTP Holdings, Indie TX, HOUNDDAWG, wakeup, All (#85)

resistance to tyranny

Retreating (as Survivalists were first called retreaters) is not 'resistance to tyranny' - it is not even Ghandi like non violent resistance. Survivalists are drop outs - which was a popular view on both the left and the right in the late 60s and through the 70s - the Survivalists were just late to the game - adopting the left hippie mantra of 'tune in and drop out' and the concept of the hippie commune but with guns and no peace and love BS.

But don't claim a Survivalist is a good citizen which was what I was responding to - they may be good people - but they are not active citizens.

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#93. To: Destro (#91)

Retreating (as Survivalists were first called retreaters)

Just because Don Stephens popularized the term "retreater" to describe a "survivalist" doesn't mean that the meaning of the word "survivalist" is "retreater", or even that they could or should be used interchangeably.

From Webster's dictionary:
survivalist
Function: noun
: a person who advocates or practices survivalism; especially : one who has prepared to survive in the anarchy of an anticipated breakdown of society

survivalism
Function: noun
an attitude, policy, or practice based on the primacy of survival as a value

survival
Function: noun
1 a : the act or fact of living or continuing longer than another person or thing b : the continuation of life or existence
2 : one that survives

survive(s)
Function: verb
1 : to remain alive or in existence : live on
2 : to continue to function or prosper
3 : to continue to exist or live after (an event)[survived the earthquake]

I thought I addressed common sense in my last reply...

P.S. I thought it was YOU who further up in the thread claimed that when "the shit hits the fan" you'd survive by retreating to your family's "Greek island villa"... Perhaps in YOUR case survivalist and retreater CAN be used interchangeably, but just because it applies to you doesn't make it so for the rest of us.

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