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Title: Social Security Agreement With Mexico Released After 3 1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle
Source: http://www.prnewswire.com
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Published: Dec 30, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-12-30 18:07:38 by Kamala
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Social Security Agreement With Mexico Released After 3 1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government was forced to make the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million-member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.

"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy -- yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the TREA Senior Citizens League.

The U.S. currently has 21 similar agreements in effect with other nations, which are intended to eliminate dual taxation for persons who work outside their country of origin. All of the agreements are with developed nations with economies similar to that of the U.S.

For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits.

The Agreement with Mexico, like other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

But Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of other participating countries. For example, only 40 percent of non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent of America's non- government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

"I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try to get documents from the U.S. Government about the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.). "The American people are finally beginning to get some of the information regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."

According to the SSA, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.

With 1.2 million members, TREA Senior Citizens League is one of the nation's largest nonpartisan seniors groups.

Visit http://www.SeniorsLeague.org for more information or to see the Totalization Agreement documents.

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#1. To: Kamala, Jethro Tull, who knows what evil, randge, Esso, Hmmmmm, ALL, ..., TommyTheMadArtist, *you gotta be shitting me* (#0)

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.

christine  posted on  2006-12-30   19:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#1)

NAU!!!

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-30   19:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Kamala, *The Border* (#0)

For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits.

The Agreement with Mexico, like other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

For minute I thought the illegals wouldn't be treated with preference.

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973

robin  posted on  2006-12-30   19:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine, Kamala, Jethro Tull, who knows what evil, randge, Esso, Hmmmmm, ALL, TommyTheMadArtist (#1)

The Totalization Agreement

It is all the same system, folks, run out of the same place; London. And most Mexicans do not pay into Social Security because most Mexicans do not pay taxes, period. Mexico, unlike the United States, is actually a Republic. I assume that all of you read the definition of a Republic and know that it means free from things public; in other words, the free man in a Republic, unless he contracts into the jurisdiction, has no obligations (such as taxes). And that is what Social Security is; a bait (and switch) affair for enticing people to contract into the jurisdiction. Does anyone wish me to re-post the Social Security Enabling Act which shows that Social Security is an income tax?

In addition, if you will read the following, you will understand what could be done, and that it is not, well, that shows what those in DC actually think about America.

http://www.ncpa.org/p i/congress/socsec/aug697p.html

The United Kingdom began reforming its Social Security system in 1978. According to a recent analysis by Louis Enoff, former deputy director of the Social Security Administration, and Robert Moffit of the Heritage Foundation, British retirees enjoy financial independence and security on a national scale.

British Social Security was split into two parts, with most payroll taxes funding a basic pension system much like the old one -- guaranteeing all retirees a minimum income of roughly $160 a week for a couple.

But workers are permitted to redirect about one-fourth of their payroll taxes to employers' plans, or they can set up individual retirement accounts -- using the money at retirement to buy an annuity that pays a set yearly benefit until death.

Workers investing in private plans are guaranteed benefits at least as generous as the state-run system -- even if the market goes sour. Alternatively, workers can choose to get all of their retirement benefits from the state-run system -- an unpopular option, apparently, since only about 20 percent choose it.

The private plans are yielding 13 percent per year on investments (compared to 2 percent in the U.S. Social Security System).

Pensioners' income has jumped 60 percent after inflation in the past decade, according to Heritage Foundation figures.

And the rate of home ownership among British retirees is up nearly 50 percent.

Private pension funds now have more than $1 trillion in assets -- an amount almost as large as the entire British economy and larger than the pension funds of all other European countries combined.

Economists predict Britain will have eliminated its national debt by 2030 because of the lighter government burden; whereas they predict the U.S. Social Security system will go bankrupt by 2030 and substantially contribute to a $39 trillion national debt.

Sources: Editorial, "Britain's Social Security Solution," Investor's Business Daily, August 6, 1997; Cal Thomas (Nationally syndicated columnist), "Setting a Course to Security," Washington Times, August 6, 1997.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2006-12-30   19:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Kamala, Christine (#2)

NAU!!!

Integrate the three countries slowly, and quietly, by the time the sheep have awoken the wolf has eaten his fill.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2006-12-30   22:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Kamala (#0)

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

Would be a scandal were it true. The so-called "trust fund" has been raided back in the 1950s and there is nothing there but IOUs.

That is very telling indeed. And also the part about the lower wage workers hitting the jackpot in the Ponzi scheme to keep the sheep on board.

The fact is that unless you volunteer into the SS system, only gov't employees are those who MUST participate.

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-12-30   22:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ladybug (#5)

yep, and i'm learning it's been in progress much longer than i thought.

christine  posted on  2006-12-30   23:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#7)

yep, and i'm learning it's been in progress much longer than i thought.

Same here. No matter how informed you think you are, you find out something else that the powers-that-be have been working on for the last decade!!

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2006-12-31   0:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

Would be a scandal were it true. The so-called "trust fund" has been raided back in the 1950s and there is nothing there but IOUs.

1960s and done under LBJ and the Democrats to fund the Vietnam War and the Great Society...

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2006-12-31   2:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mirage (#9)

1960s and done under LBJ and the Democrats to fund the Vietnam War and the Great Society...

That doesn't really explain the growing budget deficits under LBJ. I believe the trust fund was raided as part of the Bankruptcy Reorganization Plan in 1954 under Eisenhower and Ike's funding of other major projects. The Bankruptcy Reorganization Plan of 1954 is one of many which have taken place since 1933.

I do not necessarily agree with all of the following (political mumbo jumbo), but this gives you an idea of how Ike handled his first budget surplus in 1956. The facts are that farm parity was cut in 1953 and Ike was warned there would be a depression 4 years hence. There was a deep recession in 1957-58.

So you see, there is this myth that there was prosperity under Ike. That was all a lie since when parity was cut to 60% it reduced the national income by the same amount in dollars as the farmers and other raw material producers lost in actual income; income which they would spend back into the economy but could not do so after the cut. The economic cycle takes 4 years to run full circle.

When farm parity was cut, the only way to make up the difference in the national income was by deficit spending. Ike did that in spades with his "pyramid building" projects such as the interstate highways and schools. Increased foreign aid added to the deficit spending and put the nation further behind the 8-ball.

LBJ was merely following in Ike's footsteps with his Great Society, and Vietnam was a given to balloon deficits along with the social spending projects.

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-12-31   8:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BTP Holdings (#10)

LBJ was the one who moved Social Security revenues to the General Fund instead of leaving them in the Social Security Trust Fund.

Ever since then, there has been $0 in the kitty.

The LBJ deficits are explained by the "guns and butter" policy of Vietnam PLUS Great Society.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2006-12-31   20:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Kamala (#0)

It's For The Children, Smile, Be Happy

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-12-31   21:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: all (#1)

Yet another reason why it is my busness who people in America hire.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-04   13:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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