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Title: 'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress-Radio-show host (Hal Turner) says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation
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URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53245
Published: Jan 3, 2007
Author: Media Matters
Post Date: 2007-01-03 20:04:49 by Zipporah
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'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress Radio-show host says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com A radio talk-show entertainer whose earlier statements that he "may" have to assassinate members of Congress if the wrong people were elected Nov. 7 now has set a timetable for those killings. In a statement on his website, Hal Turner noted that a newspaper has reported that a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens is expected to be enacted in January, when the Democratic Party takes control of the U.S. Senate and House. "ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF ANY SUCH AMNESTY WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION," Turner posted on his website. "Members of Congress and the Senate will NOT be permitted to BETRAY our nation by simply GIVING AWAY the most cherished aspect of America, Citizenship, to millions of people who cared so little for what Citizenship means that they came here against our law," he continued. Several weeks ago, Turner incited much discussion when he posted the following: "We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic… "Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary," he wrote. But he defined his position as commentary instead of advocacy when one supporter wrote to Turner's website, "Hey Hal instead of saying 'may' SAY you WILL KILL THEM!!!" "No no no no no. Words mean things," Turner wrote at the time. The difference between 'may' and 'will' is the difference between an opinion and a threat," he concluded. "One is lawful, the other is not!" In the current posting, Turner has taken an aggressive stance against any effort by Congress to legalize or provide a "path to citizenship" for the millions of aliens who are in the United States illegally. "Congress will not be permitted to BETRAY our nation by giving Citizenship to tens of thousands who didn't give a s--- about our other laws as they murdered, raped, robbed, dealt illegal drugs, drove without licenses or insurance, stole the social security numbers and/or identities of millions of lawful citizens and most of whom don't give a s--- enough about our country to even learn our language!" Asked about procedures involving suspected threats to members of Congress, the U.S. Secret Service told WND that it would be interested only if the threat involved someone the Service protects. All other cases would be referred to local police jurisdictions. When WND's question specifically referred to a website statement, Secret Service spokesman Darrin Blackford told WND: "We have no comment on that statement." Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the FBI, said he couldn't confirm what investigations are being pursued. "The Internet does not give anyone a license to espouse violence, but there is a certain amount of protection, First Amendment protections, that are built in and we're mindful of those," he said. He called it a "fine line," and said what the agency would do is look at all the information available and "make a determination" whether any crime might have been committed. In the earlier situation FBI spokeswoman Debbie Weierman said such circumstances generally are turned over to a "duty agent" to review, but she couldn't provide other information until and unless a charge would be filed in any case. In the current rant, Turner calls it a "right" for Americans to act in self-defense of their nation. "Members of The United States House of Representatives or United States Senate who try to grant any form of Amnesty to millions of illegal aliens are hereby notified they may as well paint a bulls-eye target on themselves. Our Bullets don't care about their sovereign power," he wrote. "This seems to be 'it' folks. I'm going to do what I have to do to protect my nation from its government. I know where all of my New Jersey Congressmen and Senators live. Do you know where yours live? If not, you better find out before January so you can scope out their neighborhoods and prepare yourselves," he said. "Those of you who, for years, have said you're 'gonna do this' or 'gonna do that' when the time comes; are about to face ugly reality. In January, 'the time' will come. In January the entire world will find out if you're real or just a bigmouth coward," he said. One reader who responded on his comment sheet asked Turner, "who's gonna pick up the fruits and clean your toilet?" To which Turner said, "Machinery can pick the crops; I clean my own toilet." Turner also declined a suggestion to post a list of addresses and provide maps "so people can protest at their homes" by saying, "Once I publish such a list, they would undoubtedly feel the need and take steps to secure themselves. If we forewarn them by publicly publishing a list, we lose the element of surprise." One other reader said, "I'm sitting here now with my 30.06 stripped down. Can do this in the dark. Don't want any grains of sand in the mechanism," he wrote. Still another said he'd forwarded Turner's comments to the FBI, to which Turner responded with a laugh. "You called the FBI about me? BIG DEAL! One can only illegally 'incite' violence when what is said is uttered in a context which lends itself to IMMINENT lawlessness. I will not be arrested because I have thus far committed no crime. Just because you don't understand the subtle delineations of the law does not mean I have broken the law. The FBI has been receiving reports about me from morons like you for six years. I'm still here. Your posting did, however, give me a chuckle!" But his posting also continued further into his plans, and his expectations for the consequences. "The pro-white movement has a habit of making martyrs of folks who take action. They hold rallies for them. They put up web sites about them. Just so we're clear, the only people authorized to do that for me after I become a martyr (alive or dead) are those who stand with me when the fight takes place. Because if you are, TODAY, 'pro-white' and you fail to stand with me in confronting our renegade government, then I say you are a coward and I don't want my name being uttered by cowards," he wrote. He said the "amnesty" would mark "the actual end of our nation." "That will erase us as a nation and I will not permit it. What about you?" he asked. One reader was quick with his response: "Where can we get some polonium-210?" he asked. Turner also carries on his website a disclaimer noting that he is considered a "public figure" which means a lot of places carry of lot of comments about him over which he has no control, including some with "virulent" perspectives. "This being the case, Mr. Turner feels it necessary to – and hereby does – DISCLAIM AND REPUDIATE any affiliation with or support of such groups." Even he didn't take his earlier statements that he may have to assassinate about half of the members of Congress and three members of the U.S. Supreme court seriously. He told WND he never bothered to make a hit list because he never planned to kill anyone. Turner also told WND earlier he'd been investigated by the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshals Service and others in the past, without results. He said that's because he's very careful to "use words such as 'may have' (or) 'might' which are opinions/observations rather than threats." "I am totally familiar with three specific U.S. Supreme Court decisions and those parameters govern what I say and write," he said. He said his comments are "uttered in a context which does not lend itself to imminent lawlessness," do not constitute a "true threat," and could be considered "political hyperbole."
Posted: December 6, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
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#140. To: Jethro Tull (#133)
has ponchy been on another rampage? it looks like it. seriously - he would be much better off if he would smoke pot instead of drinking all the time.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
But for all intents and purposes, it is just about that easy. The only thing that is necessary is to add a few wordings and cull a few of the later amendments so there is less, or no wiggle room for politicians to screw with it. The Constitution didn't fail us, the people that were elected and did the electing hold that responsibility. Off the bat, I'd say repeal the 17th amendment, and make sufferage dependant on being a net positive contributor to the tax base. Eliminate any governmental facilitation of business. Abolish any type of taxes upon personal property. Disband the Federal Reserve and return all of it's monetary responsibilities to the Treasury, issuing money strictly based upon whatever private concerns proffer for the creation of coinage and what the government aquires through the imposition of tariffs and interstate management fees (i.e. they could concievably place toll crossings at state border crossings on the interstat system since they essentially built it with the aggregate of taxpayers dollars). You get the picture, we basically need a "reset", or a sunsetting of huge amounts of bureaucracy...
"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels – bring home for Emma"
You didn't answer the question. I may have it wrong, as Jim Gannon is bald, but what's up with "cyber fucking males"? Are you a fag?
that's where it must begin. none of this madness could have been done had we not handed our country over to the bankers and adopted a fiat currency system. they'll be no resetting until/unless there's a complete economic collapse. then and only then do we have a chance of a redo.
ponchy is 'ghey', but i think that is the same thing. also, his nickname is 'horse humper' and i suspect there is a story behind that too.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
also, his nickname is 'horse humper' and i suspect there is a story behind that too. Hmmm. Seems like "ponchy" is quite a "colorful" character, and would have been a much less bitter person if only he had been given a part in humpback mountain.
It was more of a vague non-response. Something that makes you go "hmmm".
ponchy is only bitter because no one likes him and everyone laughs at him. he will be fine after he is reincarnated as different person with a new personality. although i suspect he will first have to spend a few lifetimes as Ted Haggard's hemmoroid cream.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Look, you cretin, I'm continental op, and I didn't write that. Jethro Tull edited my post. "Are you a fag?" No. JT likes to fuck with my posts so that it looks like I'm writing total nonsense. He can do that because he has moderator-powers on this site. Don't that make you feel safe?
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ponchy, you did write it. it went up that way and it never channged. you just tried to take it back when people started cat calling over it. just let it go. if people weren't laughing at you over your post, they would just be laughing at you over something else.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Let me explain this to you; I don't care what kind of problem a person of your malicious and arrogant nature presents, it is just window dressing to your show of doing the posting version of the screeching monkey in the tree throwing handfuls of his own fresh shit at people below him anyway. And I hope that metaphor is not too complex for you to grasp yourself.
Hey, I admit it. What else would you have me do, here and at LP? Why should I engaged in serious and polite discussion with you?
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it is too complex for ponchy. he does however spend a lot of time 'grasping himself' --- mostly below the belt.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Hey con. I actually like you, despite your tendency for nasty spew directed at some of my best friends. It's a new year. Try normal for a change.
we asked ourselves the same question about you mr. poney poker.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
being normal makes his brain overheat.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Why are people such humps?
ponchy would rather be laughed at and avoided than be ignored. he isn't capable of anything else.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
These are virtual communities that exist on other levels then mere political discussion and lively debate of the issues and major stories. So whether one like certain people in a bord or not, an amount of courtesy including agreeing to disagree is helpful. Anyone who comes in and thinks they are going to wrap a board around their little rhetorical finger and shake it like a pit bull killing an eight week old kitten is living in la la land. You are amusing to watch, which is why in earlier posts I talked about the spectacle of the court jesters whose antics always were pregnant with political innuendo when such people officially existed as part of a respected vocation. You should can the resentment and realistically deal with what you can charge about a board and can't. Now I don't dislike you nor get excited by your consternations because I understand what you are doing too well. You decide what you want to do. If you just post in the normal flow of things where you wanted too, you might be too bored by that because it engenders no air of notoriety. Which is why you do what you do, you need this air of the scoundrel or you wouldn't post here. You remind me of Colonel Flagg in the TV series of MASH. You live in and for your own little world, and what you go by, people do stop to watch and wonder at yet another example of why people sometimes wonder if the de- institutionalization of the mental health system was indeed a good thing for this country. ;-D
And I hope that metaphor is not too complex for you to grasp yourself. It's lonely at the top of the tree. Bonus link: Drunk Monkey Recipe.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
These are "virtual communities" who have no reason for existence, whatsoever. "you live in and for your own little world" Ferret, you are partly correct here, but what you don't understand is that I don't live a cyber-fantasy life/world. You do. I come here to intrude on the 4um world and laugh at the lot of you. To the world at large, I'm not the guy who looks like a complete weirdo going down street. I'm not the guy who is aways wrong in his political prognostications and who exists on this board wholly to post music and chat. No, Ferret, I like to descend down here to talk nonense, and offend the children. That's all. You found my statement about your inferior mentality, insulting? Take a good look at your egalitarian self. I'm not setting myself up as a superior person, or calling myself a genius. All I'm saying is that I am superior to most of the posters on this site. In a word, it's easy to be a giant among pygmies. On other forums, I don't set myself up as any better than anyone else. Here, I have no choice...
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But, but, but....you asked for reinstatement. You asked me. So,,,like,,,,WTF? If you aren't happy here nuke yourself.
you do on libertysflame and freedomunderground, and those are the only two that have not booted you off.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Now you see, this is why people think I'm wrecking the curve on this place. People are using profanity almost as much as I do. All kidding aside, RHS does make a couple salient points. What interests me, is how he knows so much about Jethro Tull.
#141. To: Elliott Jackalope (#40)
And please, let's try to be a little more sophisticated than simply saying "let's go back to the Constitution", since that document did not prevent this current situation from coming to pass.
#142. To: Redheadedstranger, Zipporah (#54)
YOu'd better being staying on good terms with the 4um managment son. OTherwise zipporah will be editing your posts and reading your private insite emails, too.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#143. To: Axenolith, Elliott Jackalope (#141)
Disband the Federal Reserve and return all of it's monetary responsibilities to the Treasury,
#144. To: FormerLurker (#142)
I may have it wrong, as Jim Gannon is bald, but what's up with "cyber fucking males"? Are you a fag?
#145. To: Morgana le Fay (#144)
ponchy is 'ghey', but i think that is the same thing.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#146. To: Zipporah (#47)
Uh this should be an interesting reply :P
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#147. To: FormerLurker (#145)
Hmmm. Seems like "ponchy" is quite a "colorful" character, and would have been a much less bitter person if only he had been given a part in humpback mountain.
#148. To: FormerLurker (#142)
but what's up with "cyber fucking males"?
#149. To: Redheadedstranger (#148)
Look, you cretin, I'm continental op, and I didn't write that. Jethro Tull edited my post.
#150. To: Redheadedstranger (#130)
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"You don't have a clue what's going on. JT has been fucking with my posts for about a year, now. It's become a moderately amusing game. I posted this morning, on my lunch break, and in the evening, but I suppose this is all a bit complicated for you... "
#151. To: Ferret Mike (#150)
And I hope that metaphor is not too complex for you to grasp yourself.
#152. To: Ferret Mike (#150)
And I hope that metaphor is not too complex for you to grasp yourself.
#153. To: Redheadedstranger (#151)
#154. To: Horse Humper (#151)
Why should I engaged in serious and polite discussion with you?
#155. To: Jethro Tull (#153)
Try normal for a change.
#156. To: Morgana le Fay (#155)
#157. To: Jethro Tull (#156)
Why are people such humps?
#158. To: Redheadedstranger (#151)
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#159. To: Ferret Mike (#150)
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Let me explain this to you; I don't care what kind of problem a person of your malicious and arrogant nature presents, it is just window dressing to your show of doing the posting version of the screeching monkey in the tree throwing handfuls of his own fresh shit at people below him anyway.
#160. To: Ferret Mike (#158)
These are virtual communities that exist on other levels then mere political discussion and lively debate of the issues and major stories.
#161. To: Redheadedstranger (#160)
Ferret, you are partly correct here, but what you don't understand is that I don't live a cyber-fantasy life/world. You do. I come here to intrude on the 4um world and laugh at the lot of you.
#162. To: Redheadedstranger (#160)
On other forums, I don't set myself up as any better than anyone else.
#163. To: Nostalgia (#31)
 | This country's priorities are all fucked up. |
#164. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#163)
Well, Tommy, there are times when only a good f*ck will do. ;-)
#165. To: Jethro Tull (#161)
Why is ponchy so quiet? Is he too hung over to type?
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
#166. To: Redheadedstranger, morgana le fay, jethro tull, all, willyone (#160) (Edited)
An oxymoron if I've ever seen one. The only thing worse than a hypocrite egoist, is a hypocrite egoist that's an inebriated asshole puking over the porcelain god.. You have grown tiresome. You and willy are both gone. Bye now. I come here to intrude on the 4um world and laugh at the lot of you....I'm not setting myself up as a superior person...
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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell
#167. To: Redheadedstranger (#160)
You ain't no walking Menza test chum, just an ego that fits your body as well as a fat woman's foot fits a size five shoe. As for living in " a cyber-fantasy life/world," you probably haven't noticed because you are not local and living in your own bubble that I am involved in real life political efficacy and this posting is just a minor extension of what I do. I won't bore you with why learning to communicate and articulate and work through aspects of political stands and discussions on the issues is valuable practice to make other political chores I do in real time easier, because you only care about tending your own delusions of grandeur here anyway. But back to the premise of the above quote from you; the fact of the matter is that if I were dumb. it would bother me and threaten my ego if I at some level suspected it to be true. But I live an existence very aware of my smarts, talents and even my short comings. Thus your take on me only serves to show how you can try to 'cyber- fuck' me with motive laden poison, but whether I am indeed dumb or smart plays no role in the mission intended for your rhetorical poison. Sorry, I just not impressed by you. And I am hip to your trip. So thanks in other words for preforming yet another amusing jester dance. You do juggle and sing nicely indeed. I am well entertained, where do I send the tip? ;-)
"You found my statement about your inferior mentality, insulting?"
#168. To: Redheadedstranger (#160)
Fer maximum enjoyment, first select a horse of convenient size.
THERE'S NOT ONE DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE WILL FAIL - GW Bush
#169. To: Jethro Tull (#161)
Which is why I had to re-register, right JT?
But, but, but....you asked for reinstatement.
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#170. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#163)
Me and JT go way back. I may have sold him some diesel once, back before the Y2k...
What interests me, is how he knows so much about Jethro Tull.
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#171. To: Ferret Mike (#167)
How would you know? You don't like me, Ferret, and you have the right. But your bias clouds your judgement, because in every serious debate we've had over the years, I"ve pw4n your ass. "I am involved in real life political efficacy" Living a fantasy. "I won't bore you with why learning to communicate and articulate and work through aspects of political stands and discussions on the issues is valuable practice to make other political chores I do in real time easier" Well, since you deal with retarded treehuggers, I will admit that this is a good place to perfect your technique in handling your subhuman followers. "the fact of the matter is that if I were dumb. it would bother me and threaten my ego if I at some level suspected it to be true." Clever psychological strawman. "But I live an existence very aware of my smarts, talents and even my short comings" Which is why you like to post here. It makes you feel superior, subconsciously
You ain't no walking Menza test chum
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#172. To: Redheadedstranger (#169)
Mandingo is available.
#173. To: Redheadedstranger (#171)
When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson
#174. To: Jethro Tull, IndieTX (#172)
When your first kid, marries a spic or negro, you can show that at the wedding. Your kids aren't all married, are they? And bwt, tell Indie I love him like a brother; he's a good poster. The bozo done put me on bozo, though...
Mandingo is available.
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#175. To: Redheadedstranger (#171)
Actually I chose not to waste the enery to do more then find you somewhat annoying and ignorant as the day is long. But that's just me. Others can chose to waste time on you or not at their own desgression. I am fine withy you staying or chosing to leave, I just don't care. Amusing post, and you are the one obsessed with the notion of inferiority or superiority, which points to where your insecurities lie and say allot as to why they exist. You could well be a self loathing gay Negro man too judging by what other wedge issues obsess you, but hey, what ever fires your rocket, homey.
"How would you know? You don't like me, Ferret, and you have the right. But your bias clouds your judgement, because in every serious debate we've had over the years, I"ve pw4n your ass."
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#172)
What do you think? Is this Pounchie a self loathing gay Negro man, or a man hating Negro woman whose asian husband beats her compelling her to find passive- aggressive avenues of scapegoating others to compensate for her inadequacies? You know he/she has to be one or the other.
#177. To: Ferret Mike (#176)
Ponchie unfortunately is developing a case of the Buckeroo's. He has gone from someone who had a sense of humor, to a dour grump. He isn't aging well.
#178. To: Ferret Mike (#175)
That's right, Ferret. Stick both fingers in your ears, and go to humming. And don't get too serious because I will come down on you like a ton of rectangular building things if I hear any serious b.s. from you.
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#179. To: Jethro Tull (#177)
Said the potbellied, balding irish enunch
He isn't aging well.
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#180. To: Redheadedstranger (#179) (Edited)
Is a hangover driving the bad mood or did you run out of Prozac?
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
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