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Title: 'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress-Radio-show host (Hal Turner) says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation
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World Net Daily
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53245
Published: Jan 3, 2007
Author: Media Matters
Post Date: 2007-01-03 20:04:49 by Zipporah
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'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress Radio-show host says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com A radio talk-show entertainer whose earlier statements that he "may" have to assassinate members of Congress if the wrong people were elected Nov. 7 now has set a timetable for those killings. In a statement on his website, Hal Turner noted that a newspaper has reported that a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens is expected to be enacted in January, when the Democratic Party takes control of the U.S. Senate and House. "ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF ANY SUCH AMNESTY WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION," Turner posted on his website. "Members of Congress and the Senate will NOT be permitted to BETRAY our nation by simply GIVING AWAY the most cherished aspect of America, Citizenship, to millions of people who cared so little for what Citizenship means that they came here against our law," he continued. Several weeks ago, Turner incited much discussion when he posted the following: "We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic… "Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary," he wrote. But he defined his position as commentary instead of advocacy when one supporter wrote to Turner's website, "Hey Hal instead of saying 'may' SAY you WILL KILL THEM!!!" "No no no no no. Words mean things," Turner wrote at the time. The difference between 'may' and 'will' is the difference between an opinion and a threat," he concluded. "One is lawful, the other is not!" In the current posting, Turner has taken an aggressive stance against any effort by Congress to legalize or provide a "path to citizenship" for the millions of aliens who are in the United States illegally. "Congress will not be permitted to BETRAY our nation by giving Citizenship to tens of thousands who didn't give a s--- about our other laws as they murdered, raped, robbed, dealt illegal drugs, drove without licenses or insurance, stole the social security numbers and/or identities of millions of lawful citizens and most of whom don't give a s--- enough about our country to even learn our language!" Asked about procedures involving suspected threats to members of Congress, the U.S. Secret Service told WND that it would be interested only if the threat involved someone the Service protects. All other cases would be referred to local police jurisdictions. When WND's question specifically referred to a website statement, Secret Service spokesman Darrin Blackford told WND: "We have no comment on that statement." Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the FBI, said he couldn't confirm what investigations are being pursued. "The Internet does not give anyone a license to espouse violence, but there is a certain amount of protection, First Amendment protections, that are built in and we're mindful of those," he said. He called it a "fine line," and said what the agency would do is look at all the information available and "make a determination" whether any crime might have been committed. In the earlier situation FBI spokeswoman Debbie Weierman said such circumstances generally are turned over to a "duty agent" to review, but she couldn't provide other information until and unless a charge would be filed in any case. In the current rant, Turner calls it a "right" for Americans to act in self-defense of their nation. "Members of The United States House of Representatives or United States Senate who try to grant any form of Amnesty to millions of illegal aliens are hereby notified they may as well paint a bulls-eye target on themselves. Our Bullets don't care about their sovereign power," he wrote. "This seems to be 'it' folks. I'm going to do what I have to do to protect my nation from its government. I know where all of my New Jersey Congressmen and Senators live. Do you know where yours live? If not, you better find out before January so you can scope out their neighborhoods and prepare yourselves," he said. "Those of you who, for years, have said you're 'gonna do this' or 'gonna do that' when the time comes; are about to face ugly reality. In January, 'the time' will come. In January the entire world will find out if you're real or just a bigmouth coward," he said. One reader who responded on his comment sheet asked Turner, "who's gonna pick up the fruits and clean your toilet?" To which Turner said, "Machinery can pick the crops; I clean my own toilet." Turner also declined a suggestion to post a list of addresses and provide maps "so people can protest at their homes" by saying, "Once I publish such a list, they would undoubtedly feel the need and take steps to secure themselves. If we forewarn them by publicly publishing a list, we lose the element of surprise." One other reader said, "I'm sitting here now with my 30.06 stripped down. Can do this in the dark. Don't want any grains of sand in the mechanism," he wrote. Still another said he'd forwarded Turner's comments to the FBI, to which Turner responded with a laugh. "You called the FBI about me? BIG DEAL! One can only illegally 'incite' violence when what is said is uttered in a context which lends itself to IMMINENT lawlessness. I will not be arrested because I have thus far committed no crime. Just because you don't understand the subtle delineations of the law does not mean I have broken the law. The FBI has been receiving reports about me from morons like you for six years. I'm still here. Your posting did, however, give me a chuckle!" But his posting also continued further into his plans, and his expectations for the consequences. "The pro-white movement has a habit of making martyrs of folks who take action. They hold rallies for them. They put up web sites about them. Just so we're clear, the only people authorized to do that for me after I become a martyr (alive or dead) are those who stand with me when the fight takes place. Because if you are, TODAY, 'pro-white' and you fail to stand with me in confronting our renegade government, then I say you are a coward and I don't want my name being uttered by cowards," he wrote. He said the "amnesty" would mark "the actual end of our nation." "That will erase us as a nation and I will not permit it. What about you?" he asked. One reader was quick with his response: "Where can we get some polonium-210?" he asked. Turner also carries on his website a disclaimer noting that he is considered a "public figure" which means a lot of places carry of lot of comments about him over which he has no control, including some with "virulent" perspectives. "This being the case, Mr. Turner feels it necessary to – and hereby does – DISCLAIM AND REPUDIATE any affiliation with or support of such groups." Even he didn't take his earlier statements that he may have to assassinate about half of the members of Congress and three members of the U.S. Supreme court seriously. He told WND he never bothered to make a hit list because he never planned to kill anyone. Turner also told WND earlier he'd been investigated by the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshals Service and others in the past, without results. He said that's because he's very careful to "use words such as 'may have' (or) 'might' which are opinions/observations rather than threats." "I am totally familiar with three specific U.S. Supreme Court decisions and those parameters govern what I say and write," he said. He said his comments are "uttered in a context which does not lend itself to imminent lawlessness," do not constitute a "true threat," and could be considered "political hyperbole."
Posted: December 6, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Hal Turner
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#2. To: Zipporah, all (#0)
I agree with Hal's "political hyperbole", but if for some unforeseen reason tragedy did befall some of our illustrious elite, I’d be inclined to party hardy.
But you're too much of a weasel to use your skills to save your country.
I don't want to save what you call "my country". I want this mess destroyed, the sooner the better. Now, scram and find me Tubby....
Then shut your mouth and send a donation to Al Qaeda. I'll contribute a few bucks as well.
The problem is Al Qaeda doesn't exist. At best it's fraternity of NYU grad students who have returned home after being educated on the American taxpayer's dime. Please stop falling for all this government BS. You're on 4um, not LP.
Indeed. And why I despise the lot of you losers. Hal Turner made a strong...perhaps even historic statement, and what do you losers do? Do you rally round him, and flood his call-lines, in and po boxes with your letters and calls of support? Do you do anything at all except sit here and bitch? Hal Turner had no choice but to back down because he got ZERO support, verbal or otherwise from you and your 4um losers. Have you ever asked yourself why the 4um exists? I've never seen a more pointless board...in my entire life...
Well nobody dragged you here kicking and screaming to 4UM. You have a very high opinion of yourself and a low one of everyone else's political efficacy. Perhaps if you had a more impartial perspective you would say that you have too high an opinion of the meglomania that drives you. Who's to say? Certainly not you.
Let me explain this to you a context that you can appreciate, Ferret. I'm on
desk-duty, posting at numerous forums and bored. This 4um is the bottom of the
barrel, imo. So why do I come back? For the same reason Yertle Turtle does, as
a matter of fact. The only difference is, he likes to play with the children
in this adult-sized sand box, and I like cyber f**k the males. We both have
images to maintain, on other forums, and in real life, but in the interim, we
like to slum. That's the story...
For pete's sake, take your business here and feel free to not share so much of your love life, it's too much information for me, man.
If you don't like it then you can tell the 4um managment to stop fucking with my posts.
Bzzzzzt! Fails for lameness. The post was up for hours and Ponchy could have changed it at any time with the edit function. It didn't become an issue until we pointed it out and laughed about it. (See thread above.)
We had a woman named Liz who tried the falsified E mail bit to try to slander a fellow poster years ago at http://Time.com/politics. Unfortunately for her, the fraud was easily detected. It is easy to monitor who where and when a post modification was made. I find it hard to believe well seasoned forum operators and interlocutors would try to do scapegoating and slander intended post modification. I would well say that a half cocked accusation like that can have a way of coming back to haunt you. I have watched carefully from where the bad intent emminates from and who here actually has an axe to grind. And it isn't Zipporah and christine that is the problem here.
And speaking of posters with the IQ of vegetables... You don't have a clue what's going on. JT has been fucking with my posts for about a year, now. It's become a moderately amusing game. I posted this morning, on my lunch break, and in the evening, but I suppose this is all a bit complicated for you...
Let me explain this to you; I don't care what kind of problem a person of your malicious and arrogant nature presents, it is just window dressing to your show of doing the posting version of the screeching monkey in the tree throwing handfuls of his own fresh shit at people below him anyway. And I hope that metaphor is not too complex for you to grasp yourself.
Hey, I admit it. What else would you have me do, here and at LP? Why should I engaged in serious and polite discussion with you?
These are virtual communities that exist on other levels then mere political discussion and lively debate of the issues and major stories. So whether one like certain people in a bord or not, an amount of courtesy including agreeing to disagree is helpful. Anyone who comes in and thinks they are going to wrap a board around their little rhetorical finger and shake it like a pit bull killing an eight week old kitten is living in la la land. You are amusing to watch, which is why in earlier posts I talked about the spectacle of the court jesters whose antics always were pregnant with political innuendo when such people officially existed as part of a respected vocation. You should can the resentment and realistically deal with what you can charge about a board and can't. Now I don't dislike you nor get excited by your consternations because I understand what you are doing too well. You decide what you want to do. If you just post in the normal flow of things where you wanted too, you might be too bored by that because it engenders no air of notoriety. Which is why you do what you do, you need this air of the scoundrel or you wouldn't post here. You remind me of Colonel Flagg in the TV series of MASH. You live in and for your own little world, and what you go by, people do stop to watch and wonder at yet another example of why people sometimes wonder if the de- institutionalization of the mental health system was indeed a good thing for this country. ;-D
These are "virtual communities" who have no reason for existence, whatsoever. "you live in and for your own little world" Ferret, you are partly correct here, but what you don't understand is that I don't live a cyber-fantasy life/world. You do. I come here to intrude on the 4um world and laugh at the lot of you. To the world at large, I'm not the guy who looks like a complete weirdo going down street. I'm not the guy who is aways wrong in his political prognostications and who exists on this board wholly to post music and chat. No, Ferret, I like to descend down here to talk nonense, and offend the children. That's all. You found my statement about your inferior mentality, insulting? Take a good look at your egalitarian self. I'm not setting myself up as a superior person, or calling myself a genius. All I'm saying is that I am superior to most of the posters on this site. In a word, it's easy to be a giant among pygmies. On other forums, I don't set myself up as any better than anyone else. Here, I have no choice...
You ain't no walking Menza test chum, just an ego that fits your body as well as a fat woman's foot fits a size five shoe. As for living in " a cyber-fantasy life/world," you probably haven't noticed because you are not local and living in your own bubble that I am involved in real life political efficacy and this posting is just a minor extension of what I do. I won't bore you with why learning to communicate and articulate and work through aspects of political stands and discussions on the issues is valuable practice to make other political chores I do in real time easier, because you only care about tending your own delusions of grandeur here anyway. But back to the premise of the above quote from you; the fact of the matter is that if I were dumb. it would bother me and threaten my ego if I at some level suspected it to be true. But I live an existence very aware of my smarts, talents and even my short comings. Thus your take on me only serves to show how you can try to 'cyber- fuck' me with motive laden poison, but whether I am indeed dumb or smart plays no role in the mission intended for your rhetorical poison. Sorry, I just not impressed by you. And I am hip to your trip. So thanks in other words for preforming yet another amusing jester dance. You do juggle and sing nicely indeed. I am well entertained, where do I send the tip? ;-)
How would you know? You don't like me, Ferret, and you have the right. But your bias clouds your judgement, because in every serious debate we've had over the years, I"ve pw4n your ass. "I am involved in real life political efficacy" Living a fantasy. "I won't bore you with why learning to communicate and articulate and work through aspects of political stands and discussions on the issues is valuable practice to make other political chores I do in real time easier" Well, since you deal with retarded treehuggers, I will admit that this is a good place to perfect your technique in handling your subhuman followers. "the fact of the matter is that if I were dumb. it would bother me and threaten my ego if I at some level suspected it to be true." Clever psychological strawman. "But I live an existence very aware of my smarts, talents and even my short comings" Which is why you like to post here. It makes you feel superior, subconsciously
Actually I chose not to waste the enery to do more then find you somewhat annoying and ignorant as the day is long. But that's just me. Others can chose to waste time on you or not at their own desgression. I am fine withy you staying or chosing to leave, I just don't care. Amusing post, and you are the one obsessed with the notion of inferiority or superiority, which points to where your insecurities lie and say allot as to why they exist. You could well be a self loathing gay Negro man too judging by what other wedge issues obsess you, but hey, what ever fires your rocket, homey.
That's right, Ferret. Stick both fingers in your ears, and go to humming. And don't get too serious because I will come down on you like a ton of rectangular building things if I hear any serious b.s. from you.
You mean like if I do serious ad hominem attacks like point out your Mama shit an asshole into the world? or I bet nobody got the dog licence on your daddy's tag after he screwed your multi-species little self into the world? Screw you. Unless you are eyeball to eyeball with me, any nastiness online mean nothing.
No, I mean like any pontifications on anything but trees.
You mean like my pride at being a race mixer having had children with an African American woman and how I know the U.S. will be a much better place once genetic defusion has made us look more alike in this country and the world? ;-D
You mean like my pride at being a race mixer having had children with an African American woman and how I know the U.S. will be a much better place once genetic defusion has made us look more alike in this country and the world? ;-D Then we'll just hate short people or fat people or people who open their Christmas presents on Christmas Eve, not Christmas morning. It's an unfortunate part of the human condition, unless raised to be tolerant and open-minded.
Quite true. As a small boy I hated fat people and Negroes until I started learning, listening and reading. I realized I had assimulated the hatred from my Mother and left her to wallow in the filth of her bigotry a long time ago and I am glad I did. Too bad more people are not smart enough to challenge childhood indoctrination with facts and critical thinking. It they did, this world would be a much better place.
Your whole life, and all your neurosys are a reaction against your parents due to the traumatization you suffered as a child. You really need to overcome it all...realize that it's okay to hate people, and take a drink every couple of hours.
I doubt I would be fond of booze even had I not dealt with a toxic alcoholic growing up. Some people just naturally don't like it. I find hangovers to be a loathsome self inflicted injury and are a big reason I don't find yeast body waste fun to consume. As far as hate goes, it is not a tool to be uese indiscriminately. Even when justified, hatred is a game consuming the same depth and scope of energy and commitment of time and effort as love. I chose my battles much more wisely then to mis-use hatred as a tool to create wedge issue politics or to take on things that need changing. If you don't know that, then dispite what you think, you don't know me very well at all.
You never learned to drink. It comes naturally to some people, and some people must learn, just like they must learn to play a musical instrument. "I find hangovers to be a loathsome self inflicted injury" Good for your heart. "As far as hate goes, it is not a tool to be uese indiscriminately." Most people should not be allowed to use it at all. In cluding you.
Heh, wrong. I was in the U.S. Army nine years and have had my experiances getting drunk in Rick's Lounge on Hay Street in Fayetteville lusting after the strippers to be one of the boys in the clique I ran with at the time. I am just smart enough after that experiance to look beyond that narrow, channeled world view to find something more meaningful and lasting then that. ;- D
Negative, experience. Real drinking is done alone.
So is real glue huffing.
I wouldn't know...
I know lots of solo drinkers, huffers and cranksters, they all share a common trait called the perma-tweak. No matter how hard they try, normal sane thought has a distortion to it as the brain damage the behavior slowly damages the seat of reason, the human brain. I don't want to go there, so you are welcome to your pastime of solo drinking, but I sure don't want any of it.
Drinking is like that. It either makes you or breaks you. So far, I ain't broke.
As drinking involves the organ responsible for that highly objective observation, I remain sceptical of this outlook of yours'.
#223. To: Ferret Mike (#221)
It depends on the genetics, of course. A lot of people can't hold the beast down, but I come from a long line of drunks (on my mothers side) and a long line of abstainers and it all balances out in the end...
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestand could be considered "political hyperbole."
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
I agree with Hal's "political hyperbole", but if for some unforeseen reason tragedy did befall some of our illustrious elite, I57;d be inclined to party hardy
#11. To: Redheadedstranger (#5)
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But you're too much of a weasel to use your skills to save your country.
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
I want this mess destroyed, the sooner the better.
#20. To: Redheadedstranger (#18)
Then shut your mouth and send a donation to Al Qaeda. I'll contribute a few bucks as well.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
You're on 4um, not LP.
#23. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
"I've never seen a more pointless board...in my entire life... "
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
#115. To: Redheadedstranger (#33)
"I like cyber f**k the males."
#119. To: Ferret Mike (#115)
#123. To: Redheadedstranger (#119)
If you don't like it then you can tell the 4um managment to stop fucking with my posts.
#127. To: Minerva (#123)
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#130. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
#150. To: Redheadedstranger (#130)
(Edited)
"You don't have a clue what's going on. JT has been fucking with my posts for about a year, now. It's become a moderately amusing game. I posted this morning, on my lunch break, and in the evening, but I suppose this is all a bit complicated for you... "
#151. To: Ferret Mike (#150)
And I hope that metaphor is not too complex for you to grasp yourself.
#158. To: Redheadedstranger (#151)
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#160. To: Ferret Mike (#158)
These are virtual communities that exist on other levels then mere political discussion and lively debate of the issues and major stories.
#167. To: Redheadedstranger (#160)
"You found my statement about your inferior mentality, insulting?"
#171. To: Ferret Mike (#167)
You ain't no walking Menza test chum
#175. To: Redheadedstranger (#171)
"How would you know? You don't like me, Ferret, and you have the right. But your bias clouds your judgement, because in every serious debate we've had over the years, I"ve pw4n your ass."
#178. To: Ferret Mike (#175)
#184. To: Redheadedstranger (#178)
"That's right, Ferret. Stick both fingers in your ears, and go to humming. And don't get too serious because I will come down on you like a ton of rectangular building things if I hear any serious b.s. from you."
#185. To: Ferret Mike (#184)
You mean like if I do serious ad hominem attacks like point out your Mama shit an asshole into the world?
#188. To: Redheadedstranger (#185)
"No, I mean like any pontifications on anything but trees."
#191. To: Ferret Mike (#188)
#196. To: robin (#191)
"It's an unfortunate part of the human condition, unless raised to be tolerant and open-minded."
#199. To: Ferret Mike (#196)
#202. To: Redheadedstranger (#199)
"Your whole life, and all your neurosys are a reaction against your parents due to the traumatization you suffered as a child. You really need to overcome it all...realize that it's okay to hate people, and take a drink every couple of hours."
#203. To: Ferret Mike (#202)
Some people just naturally don't like it.
#206. To: Redheadedstranger (#203)
(Edited)
"You never learned to drink."
#208. To: Ferret Mike (#206)
I was in the U.S. Army nine years and have had my experiances getting drunk in Rick's Lounge on Hay Street in Fayetteville lusting after the strippers to be one of the boys in the clique I ran with at the time.
#211. To: Redheadedstranger (#208)
"Negative, experience. Real drinking is done alone."
#214. To: Ferret Mike (#211)
So is real glue huffing.
#216. To: Redheadedstranger (#214)
"I wouldn't know..."
#218. To: Ferret Mike (#216)
but I sure don't want any of it.
#221. To: Redheadedstranger (#218)
"Drinking is like that. It either makes you or breaks you. So far, I ain't broke."
Replies to Comment # 221. I remain sceptical of this outlook of yours'
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