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Title: 'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress-Radio-show host (Hal Turner) says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation
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World Net Daily
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53245
Published: Jan 3, 2007
Author: Media Matters
Post Date: 2007-01-03 20:04:49 by Zipporah
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'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress Radio-show host says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com A radio talk-show entertainer whose earlier statements that he "may" have to assassinate members of Congress if the wrong people were elected Nov. 7 now has set a timetable for those killings. In a statement on his website, Hal Turner noted that a newspaper has reported that a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens is expected to be enacted in January, when the Democratic Party takes control of the U.S. Senate and House. "ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF ANY SUCH AMNESTY WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION," Turner posted on his website. "Members of Congress and the Senate will NOT be permitted to BETRAY our nation by simply GIVING AWAY the most cherished aspect of America, Citizenship, to millions of people who cared so little for what Citizenship means that they came here against our law," he continued. Several weeks ago, Turner incited much discussion when he posted the following: "We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic… "Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary," he wrote. But he defined his position as commentary instead of advocacy when one supporter wrote to Turner's website, "Hey Hal instead of saying 'may' SAY you WILL KILL THEM!!!" "No no no no no. Words mean things," Turner wrote at the time. The difference between 'may' and 'will' is the difference between an opinion and a threat," he concluded. "One is lawful, the other is not!" In the current posting, Turner has taken an aggressive stance against any effort by Congress to legalize or provide a "path to citizenship" for the millions of aliens who are in the United States illegally. "Congress will not be permitted to BETRAY our nation by giving Citizenship to tens of thousands who didn't give a s--- about our other laws as they murdered, raped, robbed, dealt illegal drugs, drove without licenses or insurance, stole the social security numbers and/or identities of millions of lawful citizens and most of whom don't give a s--- enough about our country to even learn our language!" Asked about procedures involving suspected threats to members of Congress, the U.S. Secret Service told WND that it would be interested only if the threat involved someone the Service protects. All other cases would be referred to local police jurisdictions. When WND's question specifically referred to a website statement, Secret Service spokesman Darrin Blackford told WND: "We have no comment on that statement." Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the FBI, said he couldn't confirm what investigations are being pursued. "The Internet does not give anyone a license to espouse violence, but there is a certain amount of protection, First Amendment protections, that are built in and we're mindful of those," he said. He called it a "fine line," and said what the agency would do is look at all the information available and "make a determination" whether any crime might have been committed. In the earlier situation FBI spokeswoman Debbie Weierman said such circumstances generally are turned over to a "duty agent" to review, but she couldn't provide other information until and unless a charge would be filed in any case. In the current rant, Turner calls it a "right" for Americans to act in self-defense of their nation. "Members of The United States House of Representatives or United States Senate who try to grant any form of Amnesty to millions of illegal aliens are hereby notified they may as well paint a bulls-eye target on themselves. Our Bullets don't care about their sovereign power," he wrote. "This seems to be 'it' folks. I'm going to do what I have to do to protect my nation from its government. I know where all of my New Jersey Congressmen and Senators live. Do you know where yours live? If not, you better find out before January so you can scope out their neighborhoods and prepare yourselves," he said. "Those of you who, for years, have said you're 'gonna do this' or 'gonna do that' when the time comes; are about to face ugly reality. In January, 'the time' will come. In January the entire world will find out if you're real or just a bigmouth coward," he said. One reader who responded on his comment sheet asked Turner, "who's gonna pick up the fruits and clean your toilet?" To which Turner said, "Machinery can pick the crops; I clean my own toilet." Turner also declined a suggestion to post a list of addresses and provide maps "so people can protest at their homes" by saying, "Once I publish such a list, they would undoubtedly feel the need and take steps to secure themselves. If we forewarn them by publicly publishing a list, we lose the element of surprise." One other reader said, "I'm sitting here now with my 30.06 stripped down. Can do this in the dark. Don't want any grains of sand in the mechanism," he wrote. Still another said he'd forwarded Turner's comments to the FBI, to which Turner responded with a laugh. "You called the FBI about me? BIG DEAL! One can only illegally 'incite' violence when what is said is uttered in a context which lends itself to IMMINENT lawlessness. I will not be arrested because I have thus far committed no crime. Just because you don't understand the subtle delineations of the law does not mean I have broken the law. The FBI has been receiving reports about me from morons like you for six years. I'm still here. Your posting did, however, give me a chuckle!" But his posting also continued further into his plans, and his expectations for the consequences. "The pro-white movement has a habit of making martyrs of folks who take action. They hold rallies for them. They put up web sites about them. Just so we're clear, the only people authorized to do that for me after I become a martyr (alive or dead) are those who stand with me when the fight takes place. Because if you are, TODAY, 'pro-white' and you fail to stand with me in confronting our renegade government, then I say you are a coward and I don't want my name being uttered by cowards," he wrote. He said the "amnesty" would mark "the actual end of our nation." "That will erase us as a nation and I will not permit it. What about you?" he asked. One reader was quick with his response: "Where can we get some polonium-210?" he asked. Turner also carries on his website a disclaimer noting that he is considered a "public figure" which means a lot of places carry of lot of comments about him over which he has no control, including some with "virulent" perspectives. "This being the case, Mr. Turner feels it necessary to – and hereby does – DISCLAIM AND REPUDIATE any affiliation with or support of such groups." Even he didn't take his earlier statements that he may have to assassinate about half of the members of Congress and three members of the U.S. Supreme court seriously. He told WND he never bothered to make a hit list because he never planned to kill anyone. Turner also told WND earlier he'd been investigated by the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshals Service and others in the past, without results. He said that's because he's very careful to "use words such as 'may have' (or) 'might' which are opinions/observations rather than threats." "I am totally familiar with three specific U.S. Supreme Court decisions and those parameters govern what I say and write," he said. He said his comments are "uttered in a context which does not lend itself to imminent lawlessness," do not constitute a "true threat," and could be considered "political hyperbole."
Posted: December 6, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Hal Turner
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#16. To: Redheadedstranger (#5)
I have skills at using a weasel. Why don't you stop over and we'll take one for the country.
Well, let's put this in perspective. If as Hal Turner says, (and I agree with him) that some elected officials need to be knocked off, then Jethro Tull might prove useful to the cause, being an ex-NYPD narc, with connections in the force, and a knowledge of the New Yoik-New Jersey area. He knows police procedure, what the security details of politicians are like, and how to cover your tracks. I'd call that valuable knowledge, wouldn't you? "Is he a freemason?" Probably. "Explain why it is he's a weasel for not saving the country." I have no problem with JT sitting on his ass while the country goes to pot...that's what all of us are doing, anyway. But he wants to shoot off his mouth as well, then I'm going to call him on it. I've made this challenge before, for ten years in fact. Nobody wants to stick their head up...
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
Then shut your mouth and send a donation to Al Qaeda. I'll contribute a few bucks as well.
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
Since people like Turner regard Bush's immigration plans as amnesty, Bush is implicitly one of the objects of his threats. Shouldn't the Secret Service be interested?
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
The problem is Al Qaeda doesn't exist. At best it's fraternity of NYU grad students who have returned home after being educated on the American taxpayer's dime. Please stop falling for all this government BS. You're on 4um, not LP.
Indeed. And why I despise the lot of you losers. Hal Turner made a strong...perhaps even historic statement, and what do you losers do? Do you rally round him, and flood his call-lines, in and po boxes with your letters and calls of support? Do you do anything at all except sit here and bitch? Hal Turner had no choice but to back down because he got ZERO support, verbal or otherwise from you and your 4um losers. Have you ever asked yourself why the 4um exists? I've never seen a more pointless board...in my entire life...
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
Don't give them ideas...
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
Well nobody dragged you here kicking and screaming to 4UM. You have a very high opinion of yourself and a low one of everyone else's political efficacy. Perhaps if you had a more impartial perspective you would say that you have too high an opinion of the meglomania that drives you. Who's to say? Certainly not you.
Turner is either a kook or an agent provocateur. There is no third possibility. and, only weak minds would follow his cult persona the way you obviously do.
"When the going gets tough, the tough make coffee!"
take a deep breath ponchy, you're going unstable again. if your forehead vein is throbbing you need to get off the net until you get yourself back under control.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
I agree. Lemmings bravely charging en mass to take on epic elemental forces are still rodents drowning themselves in the sea.
Looks to me like Ponchy is trying to goad you into saying something he can report to the secret Service.
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts. -- The Poney Poker
No Ponchy, you dispise us because we think you are a silly little ball of anger and we laugh at you. You get even less respect here then you did on LP ..... before they booted you. Have another drink Horse Humper and entertain us. That is the only reason you are allowed on the site. LOL!!
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts. -- The Poney Poker
This is a country that imprisoned a man for making a joke about a burning Bush. A joke which no one in their right mind would consider a threat to anyone. There is no way IMO that a normal, everyday Joe would get away with making the comments Turner has made. If they did, then the government would be on them like white on rice, regardless of whether he used "will" or "may." The government would have the backing of the majority of the American sheeple as well. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that Turner is a government plant. I believe he has made these statements in order to flush-out those inclined to do violence against the government. Once they make themselves known, they will be secretly investigated via the Patriot Act. If they are found to be doing anything illegal, they will be arrested and prosecuted for those crimes, having no idea that what started their investigation was their letter, e-mail, or phone call to Hal Turner. If they are not doing anything illegal, they will be put on the no-fly list and kept under government surveillence of some sort. The Patriot Act allows the government to monitor their financial dealings and secretly search their homes. Their phone calls can be tapped, their mail opened, their e-mail tapped and their Internet surfing traced in order to find out as much information about the person as possible as well as to gather information on the person's network of friends and family.
"Yours are the eyes through which the compassion of Christ must look out on the world. Yours are the feet with which he is to go about doing good. Yours are the hands with which he is to bless his people" - St. Teresa of Avila.
That's what I was thinking. Permission requested to respond to this post. The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
The stupid f*ck's not even propitious at his provocateuring. What Axenolith said.
Hey JT, The Dawg thinks you're a moron.
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
Let me explain this to you a context that you can appreciate, Ferret. I'm on
desk-duty, posting at numerous forums and bored. This 4um is the bottom of the
barrel, imo. So why do I come back? For the same reason Yertle Turtle does, as
a matter of fact. The only difference is, he likes to play with the children
in this adult-sized sand box, and I like cyber f**k the males. We both have
images to maintain, on other forums, and in real life, but in the interim, we
like to slum. That's the story...
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
A+
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
You workin' too hard, man. We'll get you a milk stool and a rubber so's you won't have to strain yourself. We know that this is just a side job for you.
THERE'S NOT ONE DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE WILL FAIL - GW Bush
I don't advocate what Turner said. Like all talk radio, he provides me entertainment. That said, god forbid some natural disaster should strike DC while congress is in full session, nary a tear will be shed by me. Now run along and report me to the local branch of the ADL/FBI/CIA/SS/ASPCA. I really don't give a flying fuck :)
Coward. But this is an example of why I certainly don't trust your two-hundred pound ex- cop's ass.
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
But this is an example of why I certainly don't trust your two-hundred pound ex- cop's ass. calm down ponchy. people just laugh at you when you lose it in public. of course they laugh at you when you are in your stable phase as well --- but not as much.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
be careful to not take ponchy seriously. always remember what a kook he is and don't get sucked into his kook BS.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Rather than go on at length about how much we despise this system, or how we would like to see it fall, would it not be more useful and productive to think about what we would like to see replace it? Talk about what we would like to see in a new system of government, what has worked in this current system, what has failed, and discuss the merits of possible alternatives? Because otherwise, I fear we will one day find ourselves in a situation where this current regime is no longer viable, and in the vacuum created by its failure we could find an even worse system being imposed. And please, let's try to be a little more sophisticated than simply saying "let's go back to the Constitution", since that document did not prevent this current situation from coming to pass. Let's be brutally honest here: This regime is going to eventually fail. Something this miserably corrupt and mismanaged cannot stand forever. I submit that our efforts would be better served in discussing the pros and cons of alternative forms of government and alternative social constructs.
But you're too much of a weasel to use your skills to save your country.
#17. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#9)
What kind of skills does Jethro Have that can save this country?
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
I want this mess destroyed, the sooner the better.
#19. To: Zipporah (#0)
#20. To: Redheadedstranger (#18)
Then shut your mouth and send a donation to Al Qaeda. I'll contribute a few bucks as well.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
You're on 4um, not LP.
#22. To: aristeides (#19)
Shouldn't the Secret Service be interested?
#23. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
"I've never seen a more pointless board...in my entire life... "
#24. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
#25. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
#26. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
"and, only weak minds would follow his cult persona the way you obviously do."
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
(Edited)
#28. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
And why I despise the lot of you losers.
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
Turner is either a kook or an agent provocateur. There is no third possibility.
#30. To: Minerva, Jethro Tull (#27)
Looks to me like Ponchy is trying to goad you into saying something he can report to the secret Service.
(I'm thinking of this for a new tagline, with security checks and handshaking)
#31. To: Minerva, Jethro Tull, Morgana Le Fay, robin, Axenolith (#27)
#32. To: HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull (#24)
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
#34. To: Nostalgia, Axenolith (#31)
What Axenolith said.
#35. To: Redheadedstranger (#32)
#36. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
Indeed. And why I despise the lot of you losers. Hal Turner made a strong...perhaps even historic statement,
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
I don't advocate what Turner said.
#38. To: ponchy (#37)
(Edited)
Coward.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
#40. To: Morgana le Fay (#38)
 | Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#41. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
Well said. Being a hostile kook myself I am a great fan of hostile kookery. As you are no doubt aware. Maybe we can get drunk together someday and vent our impotent, hostile bitterness to each other. What do you say? ROTFLOL! KOOKS! Clintonistas!!
Indeed. And why I despise the lot of you losers. Hal Turner made a strong...perhaps even historic statement, and what do you losers do? Do you rally round him, and flood his call-lines, in and po boxes with your letters and calls of support? Do you do anything at all except sit here and bitch?
#42. To: Morgana le Fay (#39)
Actually, I pay ponchy no mind. Regarding Turner and his hyperbole, his words aren't the words of a KooK, they're merely what many of us think but dare not say. When one realizes our nation is at war with one billion Muslims as a result of lies, anger is the correct emotion. Add to this war an unfettered illegal immigration, and the creation of a North American Union driven by a cabal of elites, then his musings are dead on (pun intended). I’ve heard John Stadtmiller call Turner an agent provocateur without proof. That was wrong and says more about him than it does Turner.
#43. To: Ponchy (#37)
Ponchy, you seem to be on a rampage today. Was there a sale down at the liquor store?
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts. -- The Poney Poker
#44. To: Fibr Dog (#29)
That, or they could be labelled a "combatant" and whisked off to some gulag where hot rods would be shoved up their ass and their nuts zapped with 100,000 volts ten times a day, 24 hours a day. No one would ever know for sure what happened to them, thinking they may simply have taken off and never came back.
Once they make themselves known, they will be secretly investigated via the Patriot Act. If they are found to be doing anything illegal, they will be arrested and prosecuted for those crimes, having no idea that what started their investigation was their letter, e-mail, or phone call to Hal Turner.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#45. To: Redheadedstranger (#33)
So you're Jim Gannon?
and I like cyber f**k the males
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#46. To: Redheadedstranger (#21)
Hey considering your posts we've not seen a more pointed head .. in our entire lives .. Hiya con op~
I've never seen a more pointless board...in my entire life...
#47. To: FormerLurker (#45)
So you're Jim Gannon? Uh this should be an interesting reply :P
and I like cyber f**k the males
#48. To: Zipporah (#47)
So you're Jim Gannon? Uh this should be an interesting reply :P I always thought he liked horses.
and I like cyber f**k the males
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts. -- The Poney Poker
#49. To: Zipporah (#47)
I guess I have to change my tagline.
I like cyber f**k the males
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts. -- The Poney Poker
#50. To: Zipporah (#47)
Test of the new tagline.
If I like to cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
#51. To: Zipporah (#47)
Oops. I accidentally made it conditional.
I like to cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
All of Turner's sites are down ...
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"
noone222 12-17-06
#53. To: Zipporah (#46)
I don't know another forum owner/operator who would fuck with their member's posts. Have you no honor at all, bitch? Is not your trust sacred?
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
#54. To: FormerLurker (#45)
YOu'd better being staying on good terms with the 4um managment son. OTherwise zipporah will be editing your posts and reading your private insite emails, too.
If I haven't addressed you, then don't bother to reply to my posts.
#55. To: Redheadedstranger (#53) (Edited)
Excuse me?? who the hell do you think you're talking to?? I have no clue what youre talking about.. get real..
#56. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
And that is why you're a weasel. Now, JT, I don't have the time of day for TUrner, but I was impressed by his recent statements. I can see why you like him though...him being an ex-homo and a better con man than you.
Regarding Turner and his hyperbole, his words aren't the words of a KooK, they're merely what many of us think but dare not say
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