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Title: 'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress-Radio-show host (Hal Turner) says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation
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World Net Daily
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53245
Published: Jan 3, 2007
Author: Media Matters
Post Date: 2007-01-03 20:04:49 by Zipporah
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'Assassination' schedule announced for Congress Radio-show host says leaders won't be allowed to 'betray' nation © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com A radio talk-show entertainer whose earlier statements that he "may" have to assassinate members of Congress if the wrong people were elected Nov. 7 now has set a timetable for those killings. In a statement on his website, Hal Turner noted that a newspaper has reported that a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens is expected to be enacted in January, when the Democratic Party takes control of the U.S. Senate and House. "ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF ANY SUCH AMNESTY WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION," Turner posted on his website. "Members of Congress and the Senate will NOT be permitted to BETRAY our nation by simply GIVING AWAY the most cherished aspect of America, Citizenship, to millions of people who cared so little for what Citizenship means that they came here against our law," he continued. Several weeks ago, Turner incited much discussion when he posted the following: "We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic… "Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary," he wrote. But he defined his position as commentary instead of advocacy when one supporter wrote to Turner's website, "Hey Hal instead of saying 'may' SAY you WILL KILL THEM!!!" "No no no no no. Words mean things," Turner wrote at the time. The difference between 'may' and 'will' is the difference between an opinion and a threat," he concluded. "One is lawful, the other is not!" In the current posting, Turner has taken an aggressive stance against any effort by Congress to legalize or provide a "path to citizenship" for the millions of aliens who are in the United States illegally. "Congress will not be permitted to BETRAY our nation by giving Citizenship to tens of thousands who didn't give a s--- about our other laws as they murdered, raped, robbed, dealt illegal drugs, drove without licenses or insurance, stole the social security numbers and/or identities of millions of lawful citizens and most of whom don't give a s--- enough about our country to even learn our language!" Asked about procedures involving suspected threats to members of Congress, the U.S. Secret Service told WND that it would be interested only if the threat involved someone the Service protects. All other cases would be referred to local police jurisdictions. When WND's question specifically referred to a website statement, Secret Service spokesman Darrin Blackford told WND: "We have no comment on that statement." Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the FBI, said he couldn't confirm what investigations are being pursued. "The Internet does not give anyone a license to espouse violence, but there is a certain amount of protection, First Amendment protections, that are built in and we're mindful of those," he said. He called it a "fine line," and said what the agency would do is look at all the information available and "make a determination" whether any crime might have been committed. In the earlier situation FBI spokeswoman Debbie Weierman said such circumstances generally are turned over to a "duty agent" to review, but she couldn't provide other information until and unless a charge would be filed in any case. In the current rant, Turner calls it a "right" for Americans to act in self-defense of their nation. "Members of The United States House of Representatives or United States Senate who try to grant any form of Amnesty to millions of illegal aliens are hereby notified they may as well paint a bulls-eye target on themselves. Our Bullets don't care about their sovereign power," he wrote. "This seems to be 'it' folks. I'm going to do what I have to do to protect my nation from its government. I know where all of my New Jersey Congressmen and Senators live. Do you know where yours live? If not, you better find out before January so you can scope out their neighborhoods and prepare yourselves," he said. "Those of you who, for years, have said you're 'gonna do this' or 'gonna do that' when the time comes; are about to face ugly reality. In January, 'the time' will come. In January the entire world will find out if you're real or just a bigmouth coward," he said. One reader who responded on his comment sheet asked Turner, "who's gonna pick up the fruits and clean your toilet?" To which Turner said, "Machinery can pick the crops; I clean my own toilet." Turner also declined a suggestion to post a list of addresses and provide maps "so people can protest at their homes" by saying, "Once I publish such a list, they would undoubtedly feel the need and take steps to secure themselves. If we forewarn them by publicly publishing a list, we lose the element of surprise." One other reader said, "I'm sitting here now with my 30.06 stripped down. Can do this in the dark. Don't want any grains of sand in the mechanism," he wrote. Still another said he'd forwarded Turner's comments to the FBI, to which Turner responded with a laugh. "You called the FBI about me? BIG DEAL! One can only illegally 'incite' violence when what is said is uttered in a context which lends itself to IMMINENT lawlessness. I will not be arrested because I have thus far committed no crime. Just because you don't understand the subtle delineations of the law does not mean I have broken the law. The FBI has been receiving reports about me from morons like you for six years. I'm still here. Your posting did, however, give me a chuckle!" But his posting also continued further into his plans, and his expectations for the consequences. "The pro-white movement has a habit of making martyrs of folks who take action. They hold rallies for them. They put up web sites about them. Just so we're clear, the only people authorized to do that for me after I become a martyr (alive or dead) are those who stand with me when the fight takes place. Because if you are, TODAY, 'pro-white' and you fail to stand with me in confronting our renegade government, then I say you are a coward and I don't want my name being uttered by cowards," he wrote. He said the "amnesty" would mark "the actual end of our nation." "That will erase us as a nation and I will not permit it. What about you?" he asked. One reader was quick with his response: "Where can we get some polonium-210?" he asked. Turner also carries on his website a disclaimer noting that he is considered a "public figure" which means a lot of places carry of lot of comments about him over which he has no control, including some with "virulent" perspectives. "This being the case, Mr. Turner feels it necessary to – and hereby does – DISCLAIM AND REPUDIATE any affiliation with or support of such groups." Even he didn't take his earlier statements that he may have to assassinate about half of the members of Congress and three members of the U.S. Supreme court seriously. He told WND he never bothered to make a hit list because he never planned to kill anyone. Turner also told WND earlier he'd been investigated by the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshals Service and others in the past, without results. He said that's because he's very careful to "use words such as 'may have' (or) 'might' which are opinions/observations rather than threats." "I am totally familiar with three specific U.S. Supreme Court decisions and those parameters govern what I say and write," he said. He said his comments are "uttered in a context which does not lend itself to imminent lawlessness," do not constitute a "true threat," and could be considered "political hyperbole."
Posted: December 6, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
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#61. To: Redheadedstranger (#60)
You straight? You'd make Clinton's member look like Aaron's staff.
Is there any chance that you could more pathetic? May one of your children marry a mud...and give you many grandchildren by it...
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Fix it in what way? How long ago did you post it?? There is an edit option here .. you fix it as you wish I have no idea what you contend was altered?
Ponchy, have you been reading Dale Carnegie again?
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
Send this to Ponchy, Minerva. He likes you.
ARe we speaking of coral snake?
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Send this to Minerva, Con. Then ask for a date.
Is that something I would say? Huh? You are incompetent at your job. I'll bet your husband dumped you because you couldn't manage a household, much less a forum.
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No. Coral Snake is forever known as "He of Small Staff."
Ponchy is too much of an attention whore for my taste. He would wear me out.
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
LOL! A rather desparate attempt to toss an insult my way? Gawd youre pathetic.. I have NO idea what you'd say.. first of all I pay little to no attention to your posts.. secondly Im not here that often anymore.. get a clue
It's all pretty meaningless, JT considering that your wife castrated you, years ago.
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I’ve heard John Stadtmiller call Turner an agent provocateur without proof. That was wrong and says more about him than it does Turner. Well, I respect your views and after reading this I'll retract my sweeping condemnation and agree with your reasoned logic. But, the fact is someone in Turner's position is certainly irresistible bait for the govt, and at the very least I assume that he has no private exchanges with any would-be warriors. If I had the broad powers that our govt has usurped by fiat (and a heart as black as Texas neoilcon) I'd make sure that every one of his soul mates are in the file. Only a naive individual believes that she or he can plan an illegal act with others after having spoken with Turner, and then dare to take the first step to implement same. I'd assume that once I called his show or even e mailed him that any attempts to seek out like minded others are being monitored. I'm sure you'll agree that he's a kook magnet and his fans are the kind of people that the FBI routinely database. After all, the bureau never repudiated the snoopy policies mandated by Hoover and they have thousands of files on some very innocuous folks (including me I'm sure-I once attended a Reagan rally and I forgot to wear the garters to hold my socks up) and I can't see them passing up Turner's groupies. Can you? And, the one way to prove to me that he is on the level is to be sentenced to 40 years in the electric chair, which is what most of us would expect if we advocated the violent overthrow of the US govt. And, if he isn't already indicted under seal then he must serve a purpose. For instance, if there is ever a time when Americans are getting ready to explode, the govt can use his charred corpse (remember Gordon Kahl? His blackened remains even had a foot chopped off) to demoralize the ninety percentile whose bladders will let go at the pop of the first smoke. And, if they never even leave home, all the better. With all those loaded guns someone could get hurt.
"When the going gets tough, the tough make coffee!"
nope But I remember that 14 year old girl they took out of her biology class to harass over a picture she had on her myspace site of Smirk being stabbed.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
Hi, Zip! Hope you had a chance to listen to those classic Johnny Mathis tunes 'lodwick' posted last night. We now return you to your regularly scheduled p*ssing match...the adults will be busy elsewhere.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled p*ssing match...the adults will be busy elsewhere. I in fact did.. his gayness kinda spoils his music for me :P LOL!
Interesting contrast to the free skate that Turner seems to enjoy.
"When the going gets tough, the tough make coffee!"
Don't tell me that...
Have you seen this? Unconditional Love (2002) Kathy Bates, Rupert Everett and Jonathan Pryce. She discovers the heartthrob singer is gay.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
Johnny Mathis is gay??? OH, THE HUMANITIES! :) Didn't he play the romantic lead in that movie.....oh, wait. Come to think of it, he's the only big star who never played the romantic lead in anything. Strange.... Actually, I remember reading some time ago that he has always refused any questions about his personal life and won't grant interviews unless that is understood. I thought maybe he was a commando in Korea and he didn't want to be reminded of all those guys he killed with his bare hands! :)
"When the going gets tough, the tough make coffee!"
Has to make one wonder if ole 'Hal doesn't have a gig with the Feds attempting to flushout and ID those individuals that favor assassinations, eh?
This common crowd, is much too loud.
Kinda like what Ponchy tried here on this thread? Yeah, maybe so.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
Just 'dogpiled' the info...another innocent childhood memory blown completely to hell. Oh...bad choice of words. :-)
I expect to be in all their databases dawg, and that’s fine with me. I called his show l/n to see if it was down. It was. I used my cell so I’m sure a record exists. As I said, I don’t care who knows or what they do with the information. I’d prefer prison to placing a cork in my mouth and sitting on the sofa. I’ve always been curious about radical politics, be it from the extreme left - the Black Panther Party had some valid points - or the radical right - Turner likewise scores valid points. This isn’t to say I agree with everything (or anything) either extreme espouses. It’s a curiosity thing with me. Hell, truth be known, there isn’t a more radical practitioner of politics in the world than George Bush and this current government. His neocon cheerleaders are far more deadly than a meeting of some local chapter of the KKK, which could probably fit in a phone booth. About Turner’s suggestion, I find it amusing, but somewhat understandable. This week alone we’ve learned Bush plans to “surge” up to 40,000 additional troops into Baghdad, he has drafted legislation that will permit his underlings to read our mail, Gov. Schwarzenegger is going to offer illegal alien children free medical benefits and social security plans to send countless billions to Mexico in the form of payments to illegal workers who used stolen or fake SS numbers. Now, since we have no representation and I have doubts our elections are honest, what are our options? BTW, if I wanted to make a million dollars, I’d start a radio network and find myself the most radical radio hosts I could get my hands on. In short order it would become the most listened to station in America, that is if we still do have a 1st amendment right. Finally, if they allow Pat Robertson permission to suggest Chavez (and others?) be assassinated, why not let Mr. Hal ponder the thought aloud?
very good point
I agree. I knew a long time ago that I was going to be in the files after I became a vocal critic of the middle class wage tax. And, my communista subversio hermanos y hermanas told me long ago that there are so many agents provocateur at every gathering anymore that the only way to take direct action is to go it alone. "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead." "Finally, if they allow Pat Robertson permission to suggest Chavez (and others?) be assassinated, why not let Mr. Hal ponder the thought aloud?" I'm sure you know that not only are Rev. Pat's thoughts approved (and possibly scripted) by fedgov, but there is no law against advocating the assassination of a foreign leader. And while your logic is compelling, an AUSA in a state of arousal over you could file an information (not even showing you the courtesy of an indictment by a grand jury) and it would cost tens of thousands of dollars to defend against a bogus information. And, as you're no doubt aware no one can stack as jury like the feds. When I assisted a patriot with his felony tax trial years ago there were 22 prospective jurors and only one wasn't beholden to the govt either directly or indirectly for his livelihood! He was an indie trucker, and he disqualified himself because he shared the same donut shop with the defendant for morning coffee! Everyone else was a city or county govt employee, insurance and banking rat, ss retiree or some other occupation that quakes at the prospect of irritating the IRS and having their records combed. And, because the clerk knows when a jury is unanimous they call the same people again and again, and though it's never spoken they know what's expected of them and are happy to oblige. Anyone who doesn't try to get out of jury duty and convicts the first time is a sure bet. One fellow in my neighborhood barbershop said he was called five times until he exonerated the last defendant, then he was never called again. I can tell just by examining a tax return who is a state worshiper, and the AUSA may indeed examine prospective jurors' returns.
"When the going gets tough, the tough make coffee!"
Did Ponchy finally pass out?
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
Maybe he fell off his stool.
THERE'S NOT ONE DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE WILL FAIL - GW Bush
Hope so. It's a little creepy that he's zeroed in on me.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
You shouldn't have mentioned that you wear shorts in the summer.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
Everyone else was a city or county govt employee, insurance and banking rat, ss retiree or some other occupation that quakes at the prospect of irritating the IRS and having their records combed. you only get a fair shake in court IF it's between private parties and the government has no stake in it.
but there is no law against advocating the assassination of a foreign leader. It's now called pre-emption, it carries the weight of foreign policy and it isn't confined to foreign leaders alone. It extends to a nation’s people (see Bosnia, Serbia and Iraq).I find the irony rich that Turner suggests personal pre-emption for those who wage national genocide. As far as me legally defending myself, I don't plan much of a strategy. I speak my mind and listen to radio I find appealing. It’s all available on discovery. If that's criminal so be it.
He's gone, never to return. I expect a PM any moment.
He's...gay? Gasp! I'm being cyberstalked!
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
There's this really old man who lives in this area who has been writing letters to the presidents since Truman. He's got schizophrenia and he has this thing about presidents and has been writing to every one of them for decades. A couple years ago, the FBI flew out here to take him away to be questioned. They came to the conclusion that he was just nutty and did not pose a threat to The President, so they let him go. It was the first time any government agencies paid him any attention. I don't know whether they paid for his airfare or not.
Ponchy is gone? We were just beginning to reach him. Morgan won't even get a chance to say goodbye. She's down in North Hollywood and won't be back til later. You ought to let him stay until she can take one last poke at him.
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
Actually, he is "ghey" - but I understand that to be almost the same thing.
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
Damn, now we'll never get a chance to ask Ponchy if he is really Isabel Quaresma.
When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson
So who runs this place? Christine? Palo Verde? The three stooges?
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Does Isabel Quaresma chew tobacco and drink a lot of cheap vodka?
... and I like cyber f**k the males. -- Ponchy
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#62. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
Chill your black ass, boy.
#63. To: Redheadedstranger (#59)
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#64. To: Redheadedstranger (#53)
Have you no honor at all, bitch?
#65. To: Minerva (#51)
#66. To: Jethro Tull, coral snake (#61)
Aaron's staff.
#67. To: Redheadedstranger (#62)
#68. To: Zipporah (#63)
and I like cyber f**k the males.
#69. To: Redheadedstranger (#66)
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#65)
Send this to Ponchy, Minerva. He likes you.
#71. To: Redheadedstranger (#68)
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
#73. To: Jethro Tull, Zipporah, christine, Diana, rowdee, robin, Ferret Mike (#42)
Regarding Turner and his hyperbole, his words aren't the words of a KooK, they're merely what many of us think but dare not say. When one realizes our nation is at war with one billion Muslims as a result of lies, anger is the correct emotion. Add to this war an unfettered illegal immigration, and the creation of a North American Union driven by a cabal of elites, then his musings are dead on (pun intended).
#74. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
remember Gordon Kahl?
#75. To: Zipporah, lodwick (#71)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#76. To: who knows what evil (#75)
Hi, Zip! Hope you had a chance to listen to those classic Johnny Mathis tunes 'lodwick' posted last night.
#77. To: robin (#74)
But I remember that 14 year old girl they took out of her biology class to harass over a picture she had on her myspace site of Smirk being stabbed.
#78. To: Zipporah (#76)
I in fact did.. his gayness kinda spoils his music for me :P
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#79. To: Zipporah (#76)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0219374/
#80. To: Zipporah (#76)
I in fact did.. his gayness kinda spoils his music for me :P
#81. To: robin (#74)
But I remember that 14 year old girl they took out of her biology class to harass over a picture she had on her myspace site of Smirk being stabbed.
Tell the rabble to be quiet, we anticipate a riot.
#82. To: Brian S (#81)
Has to make one wonder if ole 'Hal doesn't have a gig with the Feds attempting to flushout and ID those individuals that favor assassinations, eh?
#83. To: Zipporah (#76)
I in fact did.. his gayness kinda spoils his music for me :P
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#84. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
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#85. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
Finally, if they allow Pat Robertson permission to suggest Chavez (and others?) be assassinated, why not let Mr. Hal ponder the thought aloud?
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
#87. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
#88. To: Minerva (#87)
#89. To: Minerva (#87)
Did Ponchy finally pass out?
#90. To: YertleTurtle (#89)
It's a little creepy that he's zeroed in on me.
#91. To: HOUNDDAWG (#86)
When I assisted a patriot with his felony tax trial years ago there were 22 prospective jurors and only one wasn't beholden to the govt either directly or indirectly for his livelihood! He was an indie trucker, and he disqualified himself because he shared the same donut shop with the defendant for morning coffee!
#92. To: HOUNDDAWG (#86)
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#93. To: Minerva (#87)
#94. To: robin (#90)
You shouldn't have mentioned that you wear shorts in the summer.
#95. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
I'm sure you'll agree that he's a kook magnet and his fans are the kind of people that the FBI routinely database. After all, the bureau never repudiated the snoopy policies mandated by Hoover and they have thousands of files on some very innocuous folks
#96. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
He's gone, never to return. I expect a PM any moment.
#97. To: YertleTurtle (#94)
He's...gay? Gasp! I'm being cyberstalked!
#98. To: Minerva (#96)
#99. To: Zipporah (#71)
secondly Im not here that often anymore.
#100. To: Dakmar (#98)
Damn, now we'll never get a chance to ask Ponchy if he is really Isabel Quaresma.
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