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Title: The Time for War With Iran is Now [Scary Kooks Crawl Out of Woodwork.]
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URL Source: http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/2007/01/the_time_for_wa.html
Published: Jan 5, 2007
Author: Some Wingnut
Post Date: 2007-01-05 00:24:59 by Morgana le Fay
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Views: 224
Comments: 20
The rumor is that early next week President Bush will present his revised war plan to the American people. From what I've heard, a major aspect of this plan is an increase in the number of US troops in Iraq. As far as that goes, it is a good thing. As I've said before, the primary benefit of such an increase is political - it lets everyone know that in spite of the results of the 2006 election, we're serious when we say we will continue to fight the war for victory. Democrats can yammer and talking heads can talk, but we're not looking for an "exit strategy", nor are we going to retreat using the focus-group-tested word, "redeploy". We're fighting to win. But we've also got the larger issue to deal with: Iran. Michael Ledeen gives us the picture of Iran's involvement in Iraq: There is no escape from the war Iran is waging against us, the war that started in 1979 and is intensifying with every passing hour. We will shortly learn more about the documents we found accompanying the high-level Iranian terrorist leader we briefly arrested in Hakim’s compound in Baghdad some days ago, and what we will learn–what many key American officials have already learned–is stunning. At least to those who thought that Iran was “meddling” in Iraq, but refused to believe that it was total war, on a vast scale. Several good journalists are working on this story (see, for example, today’s article by Eli Like in the NY Sun), and the outlines are pretty clear. First, we had good information that terrorists were in Baghdad, and had gone to the compound. We did not know exactly who they were. We entered the compound and arrested everybody who looked like a usual suspect. One of them told us he was the #3 official of the al Quds unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, a particularly vicious group. He was carrying documents, one of which was in essence a wiring diagram of Iranian operations in Iraq. That wiring diagram included both Shi’ite and Sunni terrorist groups, and was of such magnitude that American officials were flabbergasted. It seems that our misnamed Intelligence Community had grossly underestimated the sophistication and the enormity of the Iranian war campaign. I am told that this information has reached the president, and that it is part of the body of information he is digesting in order to formulate his strategy for Iraq. If he sees clearly what is going on, he must realize that there can be no winning strategy for Iraq alone, since a lot of ‘Iraqi’ activity—not just lethal materiel such as the latest generation of explosive devices, now powerful enough to penetrate the armor of most of our vehicles—is actually Iranian in origin. We cannot ‘solve’ the Iraqi problem without regime change in Iran. Iran's involvement in Iraq is an act of war against Iraq, the United States and all members of the Coalition. The case for war with Iran is as airtight as you can get without a "Pearl Harbor" sort of attack on the United States. Whether we wish to recognise the state of war which exists between the United States and Iran remains to be seen - one day we will have to face up to it, and we might as well face up to it now. Those who have read this blog over the years know that I've long been opposed to military action against Iran. All through 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 I counseled restraint, patience and diplomatic efforts. My hope was that the Iranian people - who are friendly to the United States, by all accounts - would take matters into their own hands and/or that genuinely moderate Iranian elements (and there are such in the Iranian power structure - although they are invariably not the people the MSM identify as moderates) would soften Iran's policy vis a vis the United States, Iraq and Israel. Restraint, patience, diplomacy and hope for a new Iran have proved ineffective - Iran's government is bent on a full scale war against the United States, and we need to deal with this harsh reality. None of us know what President Bush will propose, but very seen (and, hopefully, by next week) we must start preparing the nation and our military for war with Iran. An increase in troop levels in Iraq serves the dual purpose of curbing the Iranian-sponsored terrorist violence, as well as providing larger striking forces in theater for any possible military action against Iran. I still hope we can avoid invading Iran - my preferred course of action is still blockade and bombing military sites, but it might prove necessary to push Iranian forces back from the Iran/Iraq border by 50 or 100 miles in order to provide a buffer against Iranian infiltration of Iraq. One thing certain, the war is on - and the longer we wait to start fighting it, the worse it will be when we are finally forced into the battle.
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#1. To: Morgana le Fay (#0)
To quote PJ O'Rourke: "What the fuck? I mean, what the fucking fuck?" Bush and Co. are just one step from walking out their doors and meeting villagers with pitchforks and torches. And they are gonna make an attempt to sell us on war with Iran? If any of my friends or family vote Republican in the next 50 years, I'll beat them dead myself. /Voted for Bush the first time, not the second. //Indrid Cold regrets the error.
The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".
That's about where I am. But I am afraid that in six years I'll be saying the same about the Dems.
You got it right, tom -there's a reason why posters are now regularly referring to the Dims and Goopers as the "republocrats" - both parties want the same end results for a tad bit different reasons. eg. Both want open borders - the Dims for future voters and the Goopers for business interests. Both want war with ME Muslim countries - Dims because of the Jewish voters and MIC investments and the Gopers for the MIC investments and the rapture-neocon wackjobs Both parties are not American-firsters.
*sigh* Well there you go again, injecting the voice of reason into otherwise partisan conversation. Watch me hate the Dems in 6 years also; I think they do it on purpose just to keep the lot of us off-balance.
The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".
Amazing. Simply, breath takingly amazing.
"Bitch! Why you makes me have to hit you!" The value of the US's calls for "peace" are reaching the same level that the USSR's had in the 1950's. Peace to Moscow then and DC now = Lay down and die.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
Burkeman1: Amazing. Simply, breath takingly amazing Burkeman, this article links to Mikey supreme chicken Ledeen's Faster Please! blog article that I told you guys about yesterday. And as we all know...what's scary ( amazing) is that net folks actually think of Mikey as some sort of fortune telling worldy guru. And what's even worse is that, albeit Mikey Ledeen is a reichwinger, his views about Muslim nations like Iran and Iraq (who are no danger to America or any nation for that matter)are IDENTICAL to those views held by Rahm Emanuel and Schumer in the Democrat Party. That is what is the most worrisome issue facing ordinary Americans - the movers and shakers of both US political parties are not AmericaFirsters - their loyalties lie elsewhere.
Giving the reliability of these claims a benefit of a doubt, from what I understand 'we,' i.e., ZOG, have been 'meddling' on a truly gargantuan scale in Iraq for, what, 4 years. That's a different kind of meddling which doesn't constitute meddling I suppose.
we started meddling in Iraq in late 1950's when Saddam Hussein was taken in by CIA, trained, funded and then brought back to be chief of security after a US supported coup in 1969. and in Iran I think we started meddling in early 1950's when CIA put Shah of Iran in power.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I am told that this information has reached the president, and that it is part of the body of information he is digesting in order to formulate his strategy for Iraq. If he sees clearly what is going on, he must realize that there can be no winning strategy for Iraq alone, since a lot of ‘Iraqi’ activity—not just lethal materiel such as the latest generation of explosive devices, now powerful enough to penetrate the armor of most of our vehicles—is actually Iranian in origin. We cannot ‘solve’ the Iraqi problem without regime change in Iran. None of us know what President Bush will propose, but very seen (and, hopefully, by next week) we must start preparing the nation and our military for war with Iran. An increase in troop levels in Iraq serves the dual purpose of curbing the Iranian-sponsored terrorist violence, as well as providing larger striking forces in theater for any possible military action against Iran. I still hope we can avoid invading Iran - my preferred course of action is still blockade and bombing military sites, but it might prove necessary to push Iranian forces back from the Iran/Iraq border by 50 or 100 miles in order to provide a buffer against Iranian infiltration of Iraq. If this idiot thinks that what's going on in Iraq is "total war on a vast scale" his mind must be unable to even contemplate WWII, and Vietnam must seem like the Apocalypse to him. "Total War" with Iran will come when we attack them, or make it appear to be a foregone conclusion. If I was in the position of the Iranians, once it appears that there will be war regardless of action on Iran's part, I'd be sending two or three Iranian divisions into Iraq, covertly or overtly, doesn't really matter, at the same time I encourage the Shiites in Iraq to rise up to free their country from both the US and the Sunnis. We don't have the force in place to deal with an attack of that nature. It's fairly obvious that this guy really doesn't have a clue about military capabilities or even what the application of high explosives can achieve. While it is true that a few Abrams were knocked out by unknown means a few years ago, for the most part, it's a conventional explosive being used against a lightly armored vehicle that's getting us. You don't need some new gadget to knock out an Abrams. A powerful enough explosive placed in the proper place (underneath has been a good way to go since at least 1917, and if you simply destroy a few road wheels or the drive sprocket on one side, the tank will stop for you. Sometimes mobility kills are just as good as catastrophic kills. The Bradley that got its turret blasted off was destroyed using a few hundred pounds of conventional explosives. Nothing high tech about it. I'd also be curious how this fool thinks that one can push Iranian forces back from the border by 50 or 100 miles barring full scale invasion of Iran. You're not going to be able to negotiate that, so you'd have to invade, in which case pushing forces 100 miles back should not be the objective, it should be eroding the will to fight of the Iranian military forcing capitulation of the Iranian government (note, that doesn't necessarily require complete destruction of the Iranian military.)
I think both parties are one step away from this fate, but it won't be pitchforks.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Does any one remeber that post of the map of Iran totally surrounded by countries that had the American flags on them? I know I saw that about two weeks ago here but can't remember the thread/poster.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
Relax. There will be no war with Iran. You heard it here, first.
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"Wiring diagrams." Rhymes with "weapons of mass destruction."
THERE'S NOT ONE DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE WILL FAIL - GW Bush
"Preventive war is like committing suicide out of fear of death."-Otto Von Bismark. Someone post this quote on LP...
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Great thread - thanks.
hi ponchy!! are you still on a rampage today?
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Are the bots on the Web getting this talking point from Bush headquarters? It's ominous that CENTCOM command is going to go to a naval aviator.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
That's it. Thanks!
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
What's ominous is that this naval aviator is totally on board with the neocon talking points - per an article he wrote six months for CHIPS - he has sold his soul and does not have a mind of his own whatsoever. I wonder how much respect Fallon has with the underling officers, especially since he's from navy and the military divisions who have been taking all the wounding and deaths thusfar in both Afghanistan and Iraq are marines and army. And with Iran it will still end up being those 2 divisions who will take the hits considering that the Shiite Iraqis will stand with their brethern in Iran - heck perhaps even the Sunnis will join forces with the Shiites against the USA and Israel. So what credibility will Fallon have coming in from left field from a less prestigious, less key, if you will, military division?
There is no escape from the war Iran is waging against us, the war that started in 1979 and is intensifying with every passing hour. We will shortly learn more about the documents we found accompanying the high-level Iranian terrorist leader we briefly arrested in Hakim’s compound in Baghdad some days ago, and what we will learn–what many key American officials have already learned–is stunning. At least to those who thought that Iran was “meddling” in Iraq, but refused to believe that it was total war, on a vast scale.
#2. To: Indrid Cold (#1)
If any of my friends or family vote Republican in the next 50 years, I'll beat them dead myself.
#3. To: tom007, Indrid Cold (#2)
That's about where I am. But I am afraid that in six years I'll be saying the same about the Dems.
#4. To: tom007, scrapper2 (#2)
That's about where I am. But I am afraid that in six years I'll be saying the same about the Dems.
#5. To: Morgana le Fay (#0)
Iran's government is bent on a full scale war against the United States, and we need to deal with this harsh reality.
#6. To: Burkeman1 (#5)
Amazing. Simply, breath takingly amazing.
#7. To: Burkeman1, robin, Morgana le Fay (#5)
article: Iran's government is bent on a full scale war against the United States, and we need to deal with this harsh reality.
#8. To: Morgana le Fay (#0)
We will shortly learn more about the documents we found accompanying the high-level Iranian terrorist leader we briefly arrested in Hakim’s compound in Baghdad some days ago, and what we will learn–what many key American officials have already learned–is stunning. At least to those who thought that Iran was “meddling” in Iraq, but refused to believe that it was total war, on a vast scale.
#9. To: Splitends (#8)
#10. To: Morgana le Fay (#0)
At least to those who thought that Iran was “meddling” in Iraq, but refused to believe that it was total war, on a vast scale.
#11. To: Indrid Cold (#1)
Bush and Co. are just one step from walking out their doors and meeting villagers with pitchforks and torches
#12. To: Kamala, christine, Zipporah, all (#11)
#13. To: All (#11)
#14. To: wbales (#12)
#15. To: All (#13)
#16. To: Everyone here (#14)
#17. To: Redheadedstranger (#15)
#18. To: Morgana le Fay (#0)
#19. To: randge (#14)
#20. To: aristeides (#18)
It's ominous that CENTCOM command is going to go to a naval aviator.
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