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Title: IMMIGRATION IS NOW A NATIONAL PHENOMENON - Traitorous Politicians Shrug And Will Give Illegal Aliens Social Security
Source: Los Angeles Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/ ... /la-na-grassroots25apr25.story
Published: Apr 26, 2005
Author: David Kelly
Post Date: 2005-04-26 20:34:53 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: IMMIGRATION, Politicians, PHENOMENON
Views: 209
Comments: 28

Illegal Immigration Fears Have Spread

Populist calls for tougher enforcement are being heard beyond the border states.

The Los Angeles Times
By David Kelly, Times Staff Writer
April 25, 2005

DENVER — The armed volunteers patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border may be the starkest sign of frustration with the nation's immigration laws, but across the country there is a growing populist movement also taking matters into its own hands.

In Washington, Colorado, Virginia and elsewhere, grass-roots organizations are forming to pass initiatives and pressure politicians into enacting laws denying benefits to illegal immigrants. There are already groups in seven states and more are expected by the end of summer. One congressman may even run for president on a platform of securing the border.

The issue, experts say, is affecting more people than ever before and the gap between the public and policymakers is widening.

"Immigration is now a national phenomenon in a way that was less true a decade ago," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the nonpartisan Center for Immigration Studies in Washington. "In places like Georgia and Alabama, which had little experience with immigration before, people are experiencing it firsthand. Immigrants are working in chicken plants, carpet mills and construction. It's right in front of people's faces now, which is why it's become a political issue where it wasn't relevant before."

Supporters of tougher enforcement say the rise of citizen groups is a natural response to the federal government's reluctance to repair a situation nearly everyone admits is broken.

"The issue is about elites, major financial interests and global economic forces arrayed against the average American voter," said Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which favors strict immigration policies. "The depth of anger should not be underestimated."

In Cullman, Ala., James Burke, 57, is signing up volunteers to push immigration reform in the state Legislature. He says the influx of illegal immigrants working in chicken processing plants and construction has led to a rise in crime, decline in neighborhoods and depressed wages.

"Our goal is to stop illegal immigration and get rid of the illegal immigrants who are here. What I saw happen in California over 30 years is happening here in just a few years," said the retired ironworker. "If I were to break into your house, use all of your stuff, watch your big-screen television, eat your food, would you say, 'That man is a criminal' or 'He just wants a better way of life'? "

Not far away in Covington, Ga., Lee Bevang is also organizing.

"Georgia is one of the top destinations for illegal aliens," said the 48-year-old bill collector. "Folks here could always go out and get a construction job for a decent wage but the contractors have totally taken advantage of illegal aliens, paying them wages no American can live on. My husband has been laid off. The concern about this is just huge."

Georgia's migrant population has mushroomed, growing from between 25,000 and 35,000 in 1990 to 228,000 by 2000, according to government statistics.

Like her counterparts around the country, Bevang hopes to build a politically powerful movement that would, as she says, end the "free buffet" for illegal immigrants. "We are a generous country but now it's time to take care of our own people in need," she said. "We are losing our middle class."

Massachusetts and Nebraska have similar committees. In Colorado, activists are working to put an initiative on the ballot next year denying state services to illegal immigrants.

Such efforts in places so far from the southern border are testimony to the growing reach of immigration.

Department of Homeland Security figures show that from 1990 to 2000, the illegal immigrant population in Alabama went from 5,000 to 24,000; in Nebraska the number grew from 6,000 to 24,000, and in Arkansas from 5,000 to 27,000.

Though these statistics motivate many grass-roots operations, their real inspiration has come from Kathy McKee. She launched Proposition 200, which passed overwhelmingly last year in Arizona. The measure requires evidence of legal residence before people can vote or get state welfare services.

"The reason for this movement is that people have lost hope that the government is going to do its job," she said. "The people in Washington are listening to their contributors who are businesses, and businesses, almost without fail, want illegal immigration."

McKee started Protect Arizona Now and also runs Protect America Now. Like many, she was stunned by the numbers and wanted to do something about illegal immigration. There are between 8 million and 10 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. Southeast Arizona is the busiest corridor of entry, with about 500,000 arrests last year.

"The vast majority in every state agrees with us," she said. "All that remains is getting them all together."

This groundswell of citizen activism worries proponents of more open immigration laws. The Catholic Church will begin a public relations counteroffensive next month against those calling for tighter border controls. Nearly 50% of Catholics backed Proposition 200.

"Clearly, public opinion on immigration has shifted since 9/11 but our polls show if people listen to the issues in depth they will see the need for intelligent reform," said Kevin Appleby, director of migration policy for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The National Immigration Forum, an immigrant rights organization, said people were angry because enforcement hadn't worked.

"I think there is greater frustration now because we have had 10 to 12 years of buildup at the border and yet we have a bigger undocumented population than ever," said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the forum. "We are a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws and the key is to bring them together."

Though Democrats have traditionally held more liberal views on immigration, the issue is splitting the Republican Party.

"You have the cultural conservatives versus the libertarian, pro-business wing of the party," said Wayne Cornelius, director of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at UC San Diego. "The cultural conservatives will not let this issue go away. They will keep holding the president's feet to the fire."

Krikorian, of the Center for Immigration Studies, said the gulf between the "elite" and the average American was bigger on illegal immigration than nearly any other issue.

"Elites are less likely to be inconvenienced by immigration," he said. "They are hiring illegals, not competing against them for work."

President Bush told newspaper editors recently that anger over immigration could lead to nativism, which was not how Americans should view the world.

"I support the president's position that we ought to be moving to a situation where guest workers can come and go without fear of losing their jobs," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and an advisor to Bush on his proposed guest-worker program. "If you create 2 million jobs a year, people will find them no matter how big a fence you build."

Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) are drafting a bill that would use high-tech resources to secure the border while offering a guest-worker program leading to permanent resident status and possible citizenship. The Senate blocked a measure Wednesday that could have offered a path to citizenship for 500,000 farmworkers and their families.

But while Bush and the Senate try to balance the needs of immigrants and business with better border security, others want tougher action.

In the House of Representatives, there are efforts to keep illegal immigrants from getting driver's licenses. Some activists are calling for the National Guard to patrol the border. Meanwhile, talk radio and cable news programs fan the passions of those who feel the country is losing its sovereignty.

Rep. Thomas G. Tancredo, the Colorado Republican who for years has supported a clampdown on illegal immigration, said the passage of Proposition 200 was behind the newfound political interest in reform.

Tancredo has been speaking in Iowa and New Hampshire, where the first presidential contests are held.

"I am on this little crusade where my purpose is to build a fire around this issue so that any presidential candidate will have to deal with it," he said. "I wish you could have been there in New Hampshire to see the passion around this — in New Hampshire!"

If there is no serious reform soon, Tancredo may do more than just talk.

"I will think of what option I have to make this part of the national debate, and if it means running for president then I will do it," he said.

Tancredo met recently with the Minuteman Project in Arizona and invited its leaders to testify before the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus this week. There are about 780 Minuteman volunteers spending April patrolling the highly trafficked Arizona-Mexico border near Douglas and reporting migrants to the Border Patrol.

Last week, Minuteman organizers said because of the "phenomenal success" of the operation, a new phase was starting. It includes protesting businesses that hire illegal immigrants, pressuring politicians for a border crackdown and creating Minuteman branches nationwide. There is interest in California, New Mexico, Michigan and Texas.

The Border Patrol, which discouraged the group's help, said illegal crossings had dropped 50% in Minuteman areas.

The volunteers said their presence proved that ordinary citizens, properly organized and motivated, could effect real change. And their compatriots working within the system hope for similar results.

"A bunch of grandmas and grandpas on lawn chairs have been able to shut down the border," said Grey Deacon, a Minuteman spokesman. "People are now asking if we would bring the Minutemen to their town. All I can say is, there's a lot of planning going on."


Tom Tancredo for president

"On June 29, 2004 the Commissioner of Social Security and the Director General of the Mexican Social Security Institute signed a totalization agreement which would allow Mexican citizens working illegally in the United States to earn Social Security coverage" (2 images)

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#1. To: Uncle Bill (#0)

It'salmosttoolate Amego.

US of Mexico.

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-04-26   20:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

"Bush attempted to sneak one past the country a few days ago. Hidden in his $80 billion Defense Supplemental Bill was an amnesty program for illegal aliens."

Uncle Bill  posted on  2005-04-26   20:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#1)

Howdy, hope all is well!. UB. 8-)

Howdy, espere que todo esté bien.

Uncle Bill  posted on  2005-04-26   20:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Uncle Bill (#3)

George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

THE ILLUMINATI & THE NEW WORLD ORDER

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-04-26   20:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Uncle Bill (#0)

GO Tancredo!! He'd have my vote ..

And Grover Norquist can go pound salt. :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-26   20:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Uncle Bill, ALL (#0)

maybe...illegal immigration is not such a bad idea. think about it.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-26   20:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#4)

SOURCE - The Washington Times

"At the precise directions of Mr. Bush — the House sneaked through a bill directly related to the student visa fiasco."

But deliberately cloaked in the bill — the first attempted passage was, in fact, to be by unrecorded vote — was the highly controversial Section 245(i) amendment to the immigration law, which allows "undocumented" immigrants (who, to employ plainer talk, are really illegal aliens) to immediately get permanent residency. All they need to do is pay the federal government $1,000 and have a close relative or employer sponsor them.

This decision gives people who come here illegally the ability to skirt American law, to move to the front of the line because they have skirted that law, and to avoid any real check on their past. Without it, they would have to return to their own countries, apply legally, probably wait up to 10 years and go through at least the minimal check of experienced visa and consular officers in the American Embassies.

The fact that this entire scenario was cloaked in the secrecy and deception of a spy novel — it was included in the day's "suspension calendar," which is generally reserved for noncontroversial matters — demonstrates the degree to which the administration is trying to advance its idea of amnesty for hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens in America, perhaps up to 9 million."

"We’re going to go after all crime, and we’re going to make sure people get punished for the crime."
George W. Bush - Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University - Oct 11, 2000

"It is not possible to 'take care that the laws be faithfully executed' while deliberately violating the law.."
John Ashcroft - Aug. 1, 1998 (Washington Post).


"This program will offer legal status.."
George W. Bush - The Washington Post. Bush Proposes Overhaul of Immigration Laws - By William Branigin - Wednesday, January 7, 2004; 5:53 PM.

"I told the Congress that I want to make sure that the Mexican citizen here is well-respected, and one way to do that is to pass 245I,"
George W. Bush - Associated Press - March 6, 2002.

"Mexico's goal has been to open the escape valve, avoid its own responsibility to create jobs here, allow 350,000 young people to cross the border each year, and wash its hands of responsibility."
Vicente Fox - Source

Of course 350,000 is a little short. How about 16,849 a day. Again, that's A DAY.

Presiden t Bush yesterday said Americans are duty-bound to 'share our wealth' with poor nations and promised a 50 percent increase in foreign aid, but 'We should give more of our aid in the form of grants, rather than loans that can never be repaid,' he said. 'We should invest in better health and build on our efforts to fight AIDS, which threatens to undermine whole societies.'

INS Releases 35,318 Criminal Aliens
"U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) estimate that 11,605 – or roughly one-third of those released by the INS – went on to commit serious crimes including 1,845 violent crimes."

INS Official Busted For Immigrant Smuggling

Immigration Isn't An Issue Says Congressional GOP


"The plan is so
disastrous to our country's
well being and so fraught
with potential risk to
our country's security
that the plan
should be regarded
as bordering treason! "

Dr. Chuck Baldwin - Source


Bush / Border / Illegal Aliens

Bush Immigration Plan Borders On Treason

BUSH AMNESTY PLAN PRODUCING HUGE INCREASE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

BORDER INVASION ABROAD, BORDER BETRAYAL AT HOME

Michelle Malkin calls Bush Delusional on Fox News Show

Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan

BUSH GIVES COUNTRY AWAY - Joseph Farah

Bush amnesty irks Tancredo

AMNESTY BY ANY OTHER NAME - Phyllis Schlafly

WAVE GOODBYE TO CALIFORNIA - Alien Invasion

MEXICO SAYS LEGALIZE CROSSERS OR NO DEAL

Bush, backers part ways on immigration reform

ILLEGALS THE POLITICAL UNTOUCHABLES - "83% of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation"

BASHING BUSH FROM GOP STRONGHOLD

WHITE HOUSE VERIFIES IMMIGRATION REVIEW - Bush To Give Amnesty For Millions Of Illegal Aliens

SOCIAL SECURITY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

PRESIDENT Wants to GRANT AMNESTY to 4 Million ILLEGAL Aliens

MEXAMERICA HERE WE COME - Patrick J. Buchanan

WASH TIMES: President Bush’s immigration initiative has angered conservative Republicans so much that some are refusing to donate to his reelection campaign, according to a Bush fundraiser in Georgia

AZTLAN AND AMALGAMATION

National Suicide I

AMERICA IS GIVING ITSELF AWAY

LOS AMIGOS DE BUSH

BORDER PATROL DENOUNCES BUSH!

Border council calls Bush plan 'slap in the face'

Bush Open to Accepting Illegal Aliens

HOME LOANS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

FOX GUARDING NARCO HEN HOUSE - George W. Bush's "friend"

Home A Safe Haven For Mexican Suspects

YES WE CAN'T - "Get set for massive new human smuggling operations as the world's gangsters see gold at the end of the illegal immigration rainbow"

WHAT PART OF "ILLEGAL" DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

INVITING CONTEMPT WITH THIS AMNESTY

THE CONSTITUTION AND THE RULE OF LAW

GLOBALISTS DESTROYING AMERICA

FINA - Section USC 1324(a) (1) (A)(iv)(b)(iii) - Just Curious, When Does Bush Go To Prison?

REAL MESSAGE OF THE BUSH AMNESTY - Pat Buchanan

Bush's Immigration Package Makes Bad Policy Worse

AMNESTY - We're Giving Away the Whole Enchilada!

BACKERS SAY BUSH PLAN GOES BEYOND IMMIGRATION

VOTE AGAINST BUSH'S AMNESTY IN YOUR STATE PRIMARY!

BUSH IMMIGRATION PLAN A BAD IDEA - David Limbaugh

"I believe it is far more compassionate to turn away people at the border than to attempt to find and arrest them once they are living in our country illegally." - George W. Bush

AMNESTY MEASURE A FAILURE ON ALL FRONTS

BUSH IMMIGRATION PLAN BORDERS ON TREASON

BUSH to McCain: "Your call for campaign finance reform will hurt conservatives & the Republican Party."

U.S. DEPORTS ONLY 1% OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

GOP DEFIES BILL CLINTON ON ILLEGAL ALIENS

BUSH: AGENTS TOLD TO BE SILENT ON DETAILS OF BORDER PLAN

Evil Never Dies; It Just Goes To Hell To Regroup - Bush Amnesty

Border Authorities Fear Influx From Bush Plan

AMERICANS OPPOSE INCREASE IN IMMIGRATION

BUSH "AMNESTY" PLAN RAISES IMMIGRATION CONCERNS

Bush immigration plan could pass Congress, aides predict

Illegal Aliens Get Christmas Gift From White House - "AMNESTY"

Immigration Isn't An Issue Says Congressional GOP

Border Militias Claim Success - "We're going to provide a deterrent. No one else is willing to do it, so we're going to do it."

GOP bill offers legal status to farmworkers

TOM RIDGE: DO YOUR JOB OR RESIGN OR BE FIRED

Uncle Bill  posted on  2005-04-26   21:01:51 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Uncle Bill (#3)

So they get social security while some deserving Americans are too proud to hop on the dole? Will someone please tell me what is wrong with this picture? No, we aren't going to stop illegals, sorry. Bush the traitor has called us vigilantes for simply demanding that our laws be followed. What we can do is crash the freaking system that attracts these bastards over the border. If every deserving patriot would take advantage of the very entitlement these wetbacks leach on to, the rotten system goes down. It's that simple.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-26   21:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Uncle Bill (#7)

Anyone with the sense of a nitwit could determine that Bush's proposal is absolutely destructive to this country.. of course nitwittery seems to be getting more and more common.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-26   21:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Uncle Bill (#0)

In the House of Representatives, there are efforts to keep illegal immigrants from getting driver's licenses.

Hello? This is another *feel good* we are doing *something* about illegals statement. Read your local papers, most of them are driving without a license any freeking way.

justlurking  posted on  2005-04-26   21:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

I've talked about that very same idea on other forums. Here's the deal, remember the old book "Black Like Me", where a white guy used medication and lotions to darken his skin until he could pass as a black man? Well, what's to keep American citizens from using tanning lotions or whatever to darken their skin a few shades, learn some basic conversational Spanish, and assume the name of:

Pick one from Column "A" and one from column "B".

Column A
Hector
Jorge
Angel
Pedro
Jose
Jesus

Column B
Martinez
Gonzalez
Salinas
Garza
Rodriguez
Alonzo

Then apply for the benefits of your choice! You'll be eligible for all kinds of things that American citizens don't get, like free health care and other goodies. Why be stuck paying all the taxes and getting nothing in benefits, when you can instead pay no taxes and get tons of benefits? Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the La Raza party!

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-04-26   21:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Elliott Jackalope (#11)

where's the girl names???

christine  posted on  2005-04-26   21:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Elliott Jackalope (#11)

Black Like Me

I read it in my Freshman year of HS. And yes!!!! that is exactly what I hope for. Hop on the gravy train and derail the mother. The others sure are.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-26   21:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

I'm thinking of actually putting together a program of how to do it, then marketing it on the Internet under the headline "Free Health Care - Click here to find out how!"

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-04-26   21:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Elliott Jackalope (#14)

Wanna do gringo power seminars?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-26   21:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Elliott Jackalope, Jethro Tull (#14)

there's our $$ maker for these times!

christine  posted on  2005-04-26   21:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#16)

You in?

If Anthony Robbins can make millions selling hope, we should score mucho selling free tickets to government largess.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-26   21:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#12)

Where's the girl names???

*sigh*. Fine. Here you go.

Hectorina
Jorgina
Angelina
Pedroina
Joseina
Jesusina

Happy now? Sheesh. The things I do for you people....

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-04-26   21:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Elliott Jackalope (#18)

laughing..i'll be jesusina. :D

christine  posted on  2005-04-26   21:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Elliott Jackalope (#11)

Pick one from Column "A" and one from column "B".

Column A
Hector
Jorge
Angel
Pedro
Jose
Jesus

If I choose Hey-Sus can I sneak into the *Rapture*?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-04-26   21:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jose Tull, Pedro Jackalope (#17)

si, and we offer free spam tacos as an incentive.

christine  posted on  2005-04-26   21:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#21)

I know spam.

SPAM™ Tacos

Servings: 4 Prep Time: 30 minutes Cook Time: 30 minutes

Directions

In skillet over medium heat, combine SPAM®, potatoes, and chile. Cover. Cook 15 to 20 minutes, turning occasionally, until potatoes are tender. Fill each taco shell with about 1/4 cup SPAM™ mixture and 1/4 cup lettuce. Top with cheese, tomato, sour cream, and salsa.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-26   21:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

mmmmmm...now i'm hungry. got spam?

christine  posted on  2005-04-26   22:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, Don, Red Jones (#1)

The Sierra Club just voted down an immigration position, you don't have to wonder why either
David Gelbaum

Just following the old tactic of destablizing the European heritage through 3rd world immigration.
Although Stephen Steinlight is having a second thought or two.

1776  posted on  2005-04-26   22:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

"So they get social security while some deserving Americans are too proud to hop on the dole? Will someone please tell me what is wrong with this picture? No, we aren't going to stop illegals, sorry. Bush the traitor has called us vigilantes for simply demanding that our laws be followed. What we can do is crash the freaking system that attracts these bastards over the border. If every deserving patriot would take advantage of the very entitlement these wetbacks leach on to, the rotten system goes down. It's that simple."

The Mexicans staying, living and working in Mexico have to pay into their Mexican social security system 24 years before receiving benefits. These illegal aliens will only have to work within the U.S. system 18 months/2 years to get U.S. benefits and they'll be much MORE. What a deal. Be an illegal alien, be a politician, enjoy the good life.

Uncle Bill  posted on  2005-04-26   23:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#23)

I like the Lou Dobbs e-mailer who made the comment below and it was just read on the air:

ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE ONE RIGHT: DEPORTATION!

Bumper stickers are fun

Uncle Bill  posted on  2005-04-27   0:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Uncle Bill (#25)

si, Tio Bill. ;)

christine  posted on  2005-04-27   0:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Uncle Bill, justlurking (#26)

ohhhh, i want one.

christine  posted on  2005-04-27   0:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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