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Title: Who Really Was King James
Source: Global Insights
URL Source: http://www.nomorehoaxes.com/content/view/24/60/
Published: Jan 14, 2007
Author: administrator
Post Date: 2007-01-14 17:19:29 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 388
Comments: 17

For the last three centuries Protestants have fancied themselves the heirs of the Reformation, the Puritans, the Calvinists, and the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock. This assumption is one of history's greatest ironies. Today, Protestants laboring under that assumption use the King James Bible. Most of the new Bibles such as the Revised Standard Version are simply updates of the King James.

The irony is that none of the groups named in the preceding paragraph used a King James Bible nor would they have used it if it had been given to them free. The Bible in use by those groups, until it went out of print in 1644, was the Geneva Bible. The first Geneva Bible, both Old and New Testaments, was first published in English in 1560 in what is now Geneva, Switzerland. William Shakespeare, John Bunyan, John Milton, the Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620, and other luminaries of that era used the Geneva Bible exclusively.

Until he had his own version named after him, so did King James I of England. James I later tried to disclaim any knowledge of the Geneva Bible, though he quoted the Geneva Bible in his own writings. As a Professor Eadie reported it:

"...his virtual disclaimer of all knowledge up to a late period of the Genevan notes and version was simply a bold, unblushing falsehood, a clumsy attempt to sever himself and his earlier Scottish beliefs and usages that he might win favor with his English churchmen."

The irony goes further. King James did not encourage a translation of the Bible in order to enlighten the common people: his sole intent was to deny them the marginal notes of the Geneva Bible. The marginal notes of the Geneva version were what made it so popular with the common people.

The King James Bible was, and is for all practical purposes, a government publication. There were several reasons for the King James Bible being a government publication. First, King James I of England was a devout believer in the "divine right of kings," a philosophy ingrained in him by his mother, Mary Stuart. Mary Stuart may have been having an affair with her Italian secretary, David Rizzio, at the time she conceived James. There is a better than even chance that James was the product of adultery. Apparently, enough evidence of such conduct on the part of Mary Stuart and David Rizzio existed to cause various Scot nobles, including Mary's own husband, King Henry, to drag David Rizzio from Mary's supper table and execute him. The Scot nobles hacked and slashed at the screaming Rizzio with knives and swords, and then threw him off a balcony to the courtyard below where he landed with a sickening smack. In the phrase of that day, he had been scotched.

Mary did have affairs with other men, such as the Earl of Bothwell. She later tried to execute her husband in a gunpowder explosion that shook all of Edinburgh. King Henry survived the explosion only to be suffocated later that same night. The murderers were never discovered. Mary was eventually beheaded at the order of her cousin, Elizabeth I of England.

To such individuals as James and his mother, Mary, the "divine right of kings" meant that since a king's power came from God, the king then had to answer to no one but God. This lack of responsibility extended to evil kings. The reasoning was that if a king was evil, that was a punishment sent from God. The citizens should then suffer in silence. If a king was good, that was a blessing sent from God.

This is why the Geneva Bible annoyed King James I. The Geneva Bible had marginal notes that simply didn't conform to that point of view. Those marginal notes had been, to a great extent, placed in the Geneva Bible by the leaders of the Reformation, including John Knox and John Calvin. Knox and Calvin could not and cannot be dismissed lightly or their opinions passed off to the public as the mere ditherings of dissidents.

First, notes such as, "When tyrants cannot prevail by craft they burst forth into open rage" (Note i, Exodus 1:22) really bothered King James. Second, religion in James' time was not what it is today. In that era religion was controlled by the government. If someone lived in Spain at the time, he had three religious "choices:"

1. Roman Catholicism

2. Silence

3. The Inquisition

The third "option" was reserved for "heretics," or people who didn't think the way the government wanted them to. To governments of that era heresy and treason were synonymous.

England wasn't much different. From the time of Henry VIII on, an Englishman had three choices:

1. The Anglican Church

2. Silence

3. The rack, burning at the stake, being drawn and quartered, or some other form of persuasion.

The hapless individuals who fell into the hands of the government for holding religious opinions of their own were simply punished according to the royal whim.

Henry VIII, once he had appointed himself head of all the English churches, kept the Roman Catholic system of bishops, deacons and the like for a very good reason. That system allowed him a "chain of command" necessary for any bureaucracy to function. This system passed intact to his heirs.

This system became a little confusing for English citizens when Bloody Mary ascended to the throne. Mary wanted everyone to switch back to Roman Catholicism. Those who proved intransigent and wanted to remain Protestant she burned at the stake - about 300 people in all. She intended to burn a lot more, but the rest of her intended victims escaped by leaving the country. A tremendous number of those intended victims settled in Geneva. Religious refugees from other countries in Western Europe, including the French theologian Jean Chauvin, better known as John Calvin, also settled there.

Mary died and was succeeded in the throne by her Protestant cousin, Elizabeth. The Anglican bureaucracy returned, less a few notables such as Archbishop Cranmer and Hugh Latimer (both having been burned at the stake by Bloody Mary). In Scotland, John Knox led the Reformation. The Reformation prospered in Geneva. Many of those who had fled Bloody Mary started a congregation there. Their greatest effort and contribution to the Reformation was the first Geneva Bible.

More marginal notes were added to later editions. By the end of the 16th century, the Geneva Bible had about all the marginal notes there was space available to put them in.

Geneva was an anomaly in 16th century Europe. In the days of absolute despotism and constant warfare, Geneva achieved her independence primarily by constant negotiation, playing off one stronger power against another. While other governments allowed lawyers to drag out cases and took months and years to get rid of corrupt officials, the City of Geneva dispatched most civil and criminal cases within a month and threw corrupt officials into jail the day after they were found out. The academy that John Calvin founded there in 1559 later became the University of Geneva. Religious wars wracked Europe. The Spanish fought to restore Roman Catholicism to Western Europe. The Dutch fought for the Reformation and religious freedom. England, a small country with only 4-1/2 million people, managed to stay aloof because of the natural advantage of the English Channel.

The Dutch declared religious freedom for everybody. Amsterdam became an open city. English Puritans arrived by the boatload. The 1599 Edition of the Geneva Bible was printed in Amsterdam and London in large quantities until well into the 17th century.

King James, before he became James I of England, made it plain that he had no use for the "Dutch rebels" who had rebelled against their Spanish King. Another irony left to us from the 16th century is that the freedom of religion and freedom of the press did not originate in England, as many people commonly assume today. Those freedoms were first given to Protestants by the Dutch, as the records of that era plainly show. England today does not have freedom of the press the way we understand it. (There are things in England such as the Official Secrets Act that often land journalists in jail.)

England was relatively peaceful in the time of Elizabeth I. There was the problem of the Spanish Armada, but that was brief. Elizabeth later became known as "Good Queen Bess," not because she was so good, but because her successor was so bad. Elizabeth died in 1603 and her cousin, James Stuart, son of Mary Stuart, who up until that time had been King James VI of Scotland ascended the throne and became known as King James I of England. James ascended the throne of England with the "divine right of kings" firmly embedded in his mind. Unfortunately, that wasn't his only mental problem.

King James I, among his many other faults, preferred young boys to adult women. He was a flaming homosexual. His activities in that regard have been recorded in numerous books and public records; so much so, that there is no room for debate on the subject. The King was queer.

The very people who use the King James Bible today would be the first ones to throw such a deviant out of the congregations.

The depravity of King James I didn't end with sodomy. James enjoyed killing animals. He called it "hunting." Once he killed an animal, he would literally roll about in its blood. Some believe that he practiced bestiality while the animal lay dying.

James was a sadist as well as a sodomite: he enjoyed torturing people. While King of Scotland in 1591, he personally supervised the torture of poor wretches caught up in the witchcraft trials of Scotland. James would even suggest new tortures to the examiners. One "witch," Barbara Napier, was acquitted. That event so angered James that he wrote personally to the court on May 10, 1551, ordering a sentence of death, and had the jury called into custody. To make sure they understood their particular offense, the King himself presided at a new hearing - and was gracious enough to release them without punishment when they reversed their verdict.

History has it that James was also a great coward. On January 7, 1591, the king was in Edinburgh and emerged from the toll booth. A retinue followed that included the Duke of Lennox and Lord Hume. They fell into an argument with the laird of Logie and pulled their swords. James looked behind, saw the steel flashing, and fled into the nearest refuge which turned out to be a skinner's booth. There to his shame, he "fouled his breeches in fear."

In short, King James I was the kind of despicable creature honorable men loathed, Christians would not associate with, and the Bible itself orders to be put to death (Leviticus 20:13). Knowing what King James was we can easily discern his motives.

James ascended the English throne in 1603. He wasted no time in ordering a new edition of the Bible in order to deny the common people the marginal notes they so valued in the Geneva Bible. That James I wasn't going to have any marginal notes to annoy him and lead English citizens away from what he wanted them to think is a matter of public record. In an account corrected with his own hand dated February 10, 1604, he ordained:

That a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek, and this to be set out and printed without any marginal notes, and only to be used in all churches of England in time of divine service. James then set up rules that made it impossible for anyone involved in the project to make an honest translation, some of which follow:

1. The ordinary Bible read in the church, commonly called the Bishop's Bible to be followed and as little altered as the truth of the original will permit.

2. Or, since the common people preferred the Geneva Bible to the existing government publication, let's see if we can slip a superseding government publication onto their bookshelves, altered as little as possible.

3. The old Ecclesiastical words to be kept, viz. the word "church" not to be translated "congregation," etc.

4. That is, if a word should be translated a certain way, let's deliberately mistranslate it to make the people think God still belongs to the Anglican Church - exclusively.

5. No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text.

*** You can find more info at Otto Scott's "James I: The Fool As King" (Ross House: 1976), pp. 108, 111, 120, 194, 200, 224, 311, 353, 382; King James-VI of Scotland/I of England by Antonia Fraser (Alfred A. Knopf, New York 1975)pp. 36, 37, 38; King James VI and I by David Harris Willson, pp.36, 99; James I by his Contemporaries by Robert Ashton, p114; and A History of England by Samuel Rawson Gardiner, Vol. 4, p.112. Check also A LITERARY HISTORY OF THE BIBLE by Geddes MacGregor who has devoted a whole chapter entitled "QUEEN" JAMES.

The Mammoth Book of Private Lives by Jon E. Lewis, pp. 62,65,66

James White also makes mention of it in his book, THE KING JAMES ONLY CONTROVERSY.

See also King James and the History of Homosexuality by Michael B. Young

and King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire by David Moore Bergeron. For those people who feel that the above is a result of the attack on King James by the 17th century tobacco industry are ignorant of the fact that his behavior and personal life were quite well known to his contemporaries. "He disdained women and fawned unconscionably on his favorite men." ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA-pp. 674,675

"And shall I then like bird or beast forget For any storms that threatening heaven can send The object sweet, where on my heart is set Whom for to serve my senses all I bend?..."

A poem written by King James to his homosexual love interest (pictured above, Esme Stuart). King James-VI of Scotland/I of England, by Antonia Fraser, New York 1975

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#1. To: christine (#0)

No, not THAT Bible, you should follow THIS Bible. No, not THAT religion, that's only followed by EVIL people, you need to follow THIS religion! No, not that preacher, he's BAD, you should follow THIS preacher instead! NO, no no! Not him! He's TERRIBLE! You should follow this GOOD one over here! The one who preaches from the RIGHT book with the RIGHT church! Oh NO! Not that one! They're SATANIC! Follow THIS one over here!

Yeah, right. Here's what I did. I wadded up the whole lot of them, and chucked it all in the nearest wastebasket. Problem solved.

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-01-14   17:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1) (Edited)

Amen. I have a friend here in East Tennessee who wanted to buy a vehicle. The salesman told him that he could be trusted because he was a "Christian". The salesman told him about meeting the angel Michael, but I guess the angel forgot to include a tutorial on car sales, because my friend took a walk...no car.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-01-14   18:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1)

Goodness. This is just like the introductory notes to my "Catholic Edition" RSV (with imprimateur)....seems that old King James learned a few tricks from the masters.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-14   18:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1)

Yeah, right. Here's what I did. I wadded up the whole lot of them, and chucked it all in the nearest wastebasket. Problem solved.

LOL! Also intrguing that every new so-called version of the bible makes a fortune for the publishers. So they keep making up more versions to perpetuate the profit train. They've applied the principle of "planned obsolescence" to a book. Absolutely ingenious. Only Jews could have developed such a wonderful ponzi scheme.

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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell

IndieTX  posted on  2007-01-14   20:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

More proof that God can, and does, use evil persons to His purposes-- undoubtedly, in this case, to assure that the reading of God's Word was gotten out to the people.

That the people are too lazy to actually use the grey matter God provided to search out the truths is not His problem. The Bible is replete with sayings that not everyone is gonna make the trip, though most who call themselves Christian today are so sure of themselves and what THEY think, will be among some great mass of people who are gonna make it.

For the record, from what I've read of Bibles, there have been found something like 6,000 discrepancies-- virtually all of a minor nature, i.e., 'the' rather than 'a' or 'an' sorts of things. There have been found some what seem to be accidental miscopying, i.e., copying the same words 2x, or stuck in the wrong place.

I do not belive there have been found theological discrepancies, at least not that I recall having read about.

This very topic was of major concern to me as a teenager growing up......this 'state sponsored' idea of religion and the matter of translating from one language to another. No one had answers for me to this back then, and its only been of recent years, since I've returned to God, that I've been able to find out for myself that it is not only in the translation, but it is in the way various ethnic groups think, i.e., Hebrew thinking vs Greek thinking processes.

As a very simple 'for instance', take the word LOVE. In English, we have LOVE.....in Greek there are several words for love and they put a different slant on what you're reading. Agape, phileo are but two. From phileo, we get Philadelphia, or the City of Brotherly Love. But there's also an erotic love--mix the two up and you could find scripture conceivably approving immorality.

But the good news, beyond the Gospel, of course, is that old manuscripts are continually being found and uncovered and deciphered which back up the Bible.

rowdee  posted on  2007-01-14   20:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: rowdee (#5)

omygoodness! i was just thinking about you, dee, and here you are.

christine  posted on  2007-01-14   21:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#6)

Oh, I stop in to read and get my mind off these friggin year end books! Not into the political scene much. Definitely don't want to just put a bunch of screaming, dirty words as a response to these idiot feeble gubmit types. Despise it more and more daily. Nothing but lies and liars.

I see ROn Paul is running.........or should I say, dead man running? Most qualified by far--but definitely a danger to TPTB.

rowdee  posted on  2007-01-14   21:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#0)

very interesting story.

maybe we should buy Geneva Bibles. I found you can pick one up for only $399.

http://www.amazon.com/Geneva-Bible-Calfskin-Bound-Leather- Limited/dp/0975484621/sr=1-1/qid=1168834873/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-4455700-1432165? ie=UTF8&s=books

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-01-14   23:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#8)

oh well, link doesn't work. You can google. I found 1 on sale for $399. but it's leather bound.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-01-14   23:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Red Jones (#9)

There are several free online sites where this Bible can be read and studied.

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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-01-14   23:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Red Jones (#8)

Try http://www.1599GenevaBible.com, a site for Tolle Lege Press.

They offer a Leather edition for $80.

I picked up a paperback New Testament (11" x 14") about 10 years ago for about $30.

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-01-15   0:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#0)

Excellent, fact filled post. Well done. The Geneva Bible is, indeed, a fine Bible. I also like the Septuigent, and several others. I first read the King James Bible, and I still use it, but only with cross checks. Over all; if a man or woman is careful; there is more to be learned from a Bible than any other book ever written:

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-15   0:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#0)

King James I sounds a lot like Shrubya to me.;c)
(See this week's bites.)

Coral Snake  posted on  2007-01-15   4:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: DeaconBenjamin, Red Jones, christine, richard9151 (#11)

Try http://www.1599GenevaBible.com, a site for Tolle Lege Press

I tried that twice yesterday, and once today, and it wouldn't come up. I tried it at google yesterday, and it didn't work from there either.

I also tried to access this three times yesterday, and it froze my computer each time:

The Geneva Bible - The Forgotten Translation The Geneva Bible was finally printed in England in 1575 only after the death of ... Oliver Cromwell used extracts from the Geneva Bible for his Soldier's ... http://www.reformed. org/documents/geneva/Geneva.html -

I tried to access the cached version this morning, and that froze it as well, but not before I saw John Calvin's name associated with it. John Calvin was a cryptoJew, according to http://biblebelievers.org:

".....We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation!

Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation. Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us. . . (Phillip II, by William Thomas Walsh, p. 248: 'The origin of Calvin' (whose real name was Chauvin). See also: Lucin Wolf, in Transactions, Jewish Historical Society of England, Vol. XI, p. 8; Goris, Les Colonies Marchandes Meridionales à Anvers; Lea, History of the Inquisition of Spain, III, 413)....." [Speeches delivered at the B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris]

http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm

I have read both sides of the King James story, the other side being that he was a loving husband and father of about half a dozen children. I don't dispute and am well aware that there are discrepancies and what appear to be deliberate mistranslations in the King James Version that tend to support the "divine right of kings" theory. See The Lost Tribe of Dan at http://watch.pair.com for the variant spellings of Sion [Mt. Hermon] and Zion, surely intended to deceive.

That being said, here are some other articles that may shed some light on the subject, which at the moment has me a little confused. I'm posting this before my computer freezes again, and then I will try to spend some time seeing if I can get to the bottom of it.

The Geneva Bible - The Forgotten Translation A number of English Protestant divines settled in Calvin's Geneva: Miles ... The Geneva Bible was finally printed in England in 1575 only after the death of ... http://www.reformed. org/documents/geneva/Geneva.html -

http://Amazon.com: Geneva Bible 1599: Books: John http://CalvinAmazon.com: Geneva Bible 1599: Books: John Calvin by John Calvin. http://www.amazon.com/ Geneva-Bible-1599- John-Calvin/dp/0962988804 -

Reformation Bible king james bible geneva study bible bibles bible ...... bible old bible new bible geneva bible pilgrims bible king james bible online geneva bible online geneva bible new king james bible john calvin bible kj ... http://genevabible.com/ - [I personally believe there were cryptoJews among the Pilgrims - See What About Those Pilgrims - The Pilgrim Society at http://watch.pair.com.....this is the British Empire conspiracy against America].

Geneva Bible -- Encyclopaedia BritannicaIf you think a reference to this article on Geneva Bible will enhance your website, ... When John Calvin was a boy in France, Martin Luther launched the ... http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9036401/Geneva-Bible -

The Geneva Bible Links to all our Geneva Bible WebPages. ... This small, thick octavo edition included an epistle by Calvin himself, which helped to introduce Protestant ... http://logosresourcepages.or g/idx_geneva.htm -

The 1599 Geneva Bible Notes - The Reformed Reader The Geneva Bible is the Bible with marginal notes authored by John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, and many other leaders of the Reformation. ... http://www.reformedreader.org/gb n/en.htm -

Monergism Moves into New Office/Warehouse In the end, the Geneva Bible was replaced by the King James Version, but not before it helped to settle America. Back in Geneva. Calvin knew that the job of ... http://www.monergism.com/thethresh old/ articles/onsite/historygenevabible.html

The Geneva Bible A preface was contributed by Calvin himself. The translator claims to have made ... The Geneva Bible, on the contrary, was moderate in both respects, ... http://www.bible- researcher.com/geneva6.html -

The Geneva Bible The Geneva Bible had several other novel features. On the advice of John Calvin it became the first Bible to divide scriptures into numbered verses. ... http://www.ap uritansmind.com/PuritanWorship/GenevaBible.htm -

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-17   8:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Coral Snake, christine (#13)

".....The Swiss Guard the Vatican's gold and silver

The Reformation was playing havoc with the Vatican's wealth and her illegal gain through usury. Luther attacked the pope and the bellies of the monks. Something had to be done to stop this hemorrhage. It was about that time that a champion appeared to save usury and the pope's revenues. His name was John Calvin.

John Calvin was a French Roman Catholic convert to Protestantism. In the year 1534, at the young age of 25, Calvin started writing his famous Institutes of the Christian Religion. Like Ignatius LIEola he was arrested by the Inquisition in France but managed to escape and finally ended up in Geneva, Switzerland in the year 1536.

Calvin also wrote commentaries on all the books of the Bible. Here is a small sample of the pro usury writings of this double-minded man:

John Calvin (1509 -- 1564).

His headquarters was Geneva, Switzerland where he defended usury in his writings. "But if we would form an equitable judgment, reason does not suffer us to admit that all usury is to be condemned without exception "(Calvin's Commentaries on Exodus 22:25).

"Whence it follows, that the gain which he who lends his money upon interest acquires, without doing injury to any one, is not to be included under the head of unlawful usury" (Calvin Commentaries on Psalm 15:5).

"David mentions, among other things -- who has not lent his money on usury, (Psalm 15:5.) It seems, then, from these two places, that usury is in itself unlawful. But because God's law embraces complete and perfect justice, hence we must hold that interest, unless it is opposed to God's law, is not altogether to be condemned, otherwise ignominy would clearly attach to the law of God if it did not prescribe to us a true and complete rule of living justly "(Calvin Commentaries on Ezekiel 18:8).

John Calvin, a Roman dupe, traveled to Geneva Switzerland and started to write pro usury commentaries in order to guard the pope's usury revenues. He is a hero of millions of Protestants who follow his 5 points of Calvinism regarding predestination, election etc.,etc............"

The Money Changers exposed at last . . . Rome, Rothschild ...Calvin also wrote commentaries on all the books of the Bible. ... Papal Bull against usury After Calvin, Jews and Protestants would be used as a smokescreen ... http://www.reformation.org/ moneychangers.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-17   8:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

That stinks. http://www.tollelegepress.com works. They better not be having additional problems; my wife bought me one for my birthday.

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-01-17   8:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Coral Snake, christine, DeaconBenjamin, Red Jones, richard9151 (#15)

".....We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation!

Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation.............

The Reformation was playing havoc with the Vatican's wealth and her illegal gain through usury. Luther attacked the pope and the bellies of the monks. Something had to be done to stop this hemorrhage. It was about that time that a champion appeared to save usury and the pope's revenues. His name was John Calvin.......

John Calvin, a Roman dupe, traveled to Geneva Switzerland and started to write pro usury commentaries in order to guard the pope's usury revenues. He is a hero of millions of Protestants who follow his 5 points of Calvinism regarding predestination, election etc.,etc............"

Monergism Moves into New Office/Warehouse In the end, the Geneva Bible was replaced by the King James Version, ******* but not before it helped to settle America. Back in Geneva. Calvin knew that the job of ... http://www.monergism.com/thethresh old/ articles/onsite/historygenevabible.html

I had to get breakfast. As soon as I signed off, I realized these were key points. Another piece of the puzzle:

:......THE PILGRIM SOCIETY & ENGLISH-SPEAKING UNION

The following report was received from Eric Samuelson in response to our inquiry as to whether the Pilgrim Society of the United States and the English- Speaking Union were formed by Cecil Rhodes' Milner Round Table Group as part of its purpose to federate the English-speaking peoples and to bring all habitable portions of the world under control of a British and American Commonwealth. Another report by Mr. Samuelson is a profile of George Louis Beer, American correspondent for The Round Table from 1915-18, who was also one of the originators of the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London and its American branch, The Council on Foreign Relations.

WHAT ABOUT THOSE PILGRIMS?..............."

".....CONTROVERSIAL EXCERPTS FROM MY RESEARCH ON THE U.S.-BRITISH "SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP"

Aside from the two books previously mentioned, I am not aware of any expose of either the Pilgrim Society or the British-Speaking Union. On January 28, 1994, I was informed by a thirty-second degree Mason that the Grand Lodge of Texas is under orders of the Grand Lodge in Washington, D.C. which is under the Grand Lodge of England.

The Larouche position on "the English" was stated recently: "The most important constant in the history of the United States of America has been the implacable hostility of the British Empire and the London-centered British oligarchy. This hostility generated the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812 and the Civil War, in addition to many lesser clashes. But after Gettysburg and Vicksburg in 1863, the reality of US military and naval superiority forced London to come to terms with the inevitable persistence of the United States on the world scene as a great power for another century and more. By 1895-1898, galloping British decadence, expressed as industrial decline combined with a looming inability to maintain global naval domination, suggested to the circles of the soon-to-be King Edward VII the advisability of harnessing the power and resources of the United States to the British imperial chariot. Thus was born the London-Washington Special Relationship, under which the United States was established as London's auxiliary, proxy, and dupe through such stages as the 1898 Anglo-American rapprochement before Manila Bay, Edward VII's sponsorship of Theodore Roosevelt's aspirations to "Anglo-Saxon" respectability and, most decisively, Woodrow Wilson's declaration of war on Germany in April, 1917. Under the Special Relationship, London has parlayed its financial and epistemological dominance over the United States into profound and often decisive influence over US directions in foreign policy and finance."

In the past I have personally attended a number of Larouche meetings in Austin. I would not describe myself as a follower-particularly since at the last meeting the overt "Communist" philosophy of the lecturer became apparent; he stopped speaking in the middle of a prepared speech. However, the anti- British rhetoric of the Larouchites does, in my opinion, have a firm basis in historical fact.

George Washington, to his credit, accomplished much for this country and his "Farewell Message" is no more timely today. However, it has also been asserted that: "The confession of General Cornwallis to General Washington at Yorktown has been well hidden by historians. History books and text books have taught for years that when Cornwallis surrendered his army to General Washington that American independence came, and we lived happily ever after until the tribulations of the twentieth century."

The King James Masonic Bible lists George Washington as a Mason. He was initiated into Masonry in 1752.(5) He took his first degrees in the lodge of Fredericksburg, Virginia on November 4, 1752. He was then passed on March 3, 1753 and raised in August 4, 1753 to Master Mason. George Washington visited a British military Lodge under a flag of truce and received a degree in it (probably the Mark degreee).(6) On April 28, 1788, George Washington became Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge No. 22 and was re-elected on December 20, 1788. He was the only Brother to be president of the U.S. and Worshipful Master of his Lodge at the same time.(7) Old Juba, Washington's trusted slave, used to row a priest across the Potomac to visit him and "Marse George made the sign of the Cross befo' he eat." The tale of the skeleton in the family closet was the conversion of George to "Papistry." Bishop Carroll made the statement that Washington died as did Emperor Valentinia who was received into the Church before his death.(8)

When George Washington badly needed financial help to pay his soldiers, ***** the international bankers loaned him funds contingent upon appointing Alexander Hamilton as the first Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton was all English at heart. He was an expert in British banking methods and was trained in the inner sanctum of international banking.(9) A retired Harvard professor once told students in his Oklahoma high school class that ***** Hamilton and Washington agreed to a central bank if the war was ended.(10)

I have a Congressional Research Report that says as a fact that **** the first U.S. Bank was mostly foreign owned. On Yom Kippur Eve, 1779, Washington's soldiers, unpaid for months, were at a point of mutiny before a battle: "At last a desperate Washington sent a messenger on horseback through the night to Philadelphia with instructions to obtain, from Haym Salomon, a loan of $400,000, an enormous sum in those days, to pay and provision his troops. **** The messenger found Salomon in the synagogue, and a hasty whispered conference took place. Salomon rose and quickly moved about the synagogue, collecting certain friends. A small group left together, and that night the money was raised. Did Haym Salomon himself contribute $240,000 of the money? So the legend, perpetuated in many accounts, insists."(11)

Jonathan Williams (1750-1815), a dedicated American patriot, wrote in his now rare book, Legions of Satan (1781), that ***** Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Lord Lothian, the British Ambassador to Washington, once called ***** George Washington the founder of the modern British Empire.(12) This is the very same Lord Lothian honored by the 1939 Pilgrims banquet! .........."

http://www.watch.pair.com/pilgrim. html

I get it....Calvin's job was to prepare the way for the international bankers to impose usury on the American people, in order to conquer them "peacefully".

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-17   9:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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