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Title: U.S. to let people apply to get off no-fly lists
Source: Yahoo News
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php ... us_nm%2Fsecurity_watchlists_dc
Published: Jan 17, 2007
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2007-01-17 18:52:42 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 214
Comments: 21

1 hour, 49 minutes ago

The Bush administration said on Wednesday it will launch a new travel security system next month designed to deal with the problem of innocent travelers mistakenly identified as being on U.S. no-fly lists.

The Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, dubbed DHS TRIP, is billed as a voluntary one-stop process allowing people to seek a review if they have been wrongly delayed or prevented from boarding a plane or barred from entering or leaving the United States.

DHS said in a statement the program will begin February 20 under the management of the Transportation Security Administration.

Travel security procedures tightened after the September 11 attacks have become a bane for more than 31,000 innocent people each year whose names are judged to be suspiciously similar to those on government terrorism or criminal watch lists.

Victims have included babies, U.S. lawmakers including Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record) of Massachusetts and the former music superstar Cat Stevens, who is now known as Yusuf Islam.

But up until now, there has been little effective recourse for travelers.

The government does not reveal how many or which names are actually on the list, and complaints from travelers have not resulted in names being dropped because they refer to suspected terrorists or criminals.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said in the DHS statement that he hoped the new program would help repair America's reputation in the world as "a welcoming nation to legitimate travelers."

The DHS TRIP program will require travelers who want a review to enter personal details, including their travel experience, on an online inquiry form. The form is then forwarded to a centralized office for review requests and sent on to the relevant DHS agency.

The government estimates that each traveler would spend about an hour filling out and submitting the form.

The Bush administration is under fire from rights advocates who accuse it of illegally using personal data to formulate risk assessments on individual travelers.

Government officials say their tactics are common-sense efforts to protect the United States from attack.

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

The Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, dubbed DHS TRIP

What next?

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-17   18:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Zipporah (#0)

There's hope for David Nelson.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-01-17   19:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#0)

Amazing what losing control of congress can accomplish, eh?


If I can't convince the Gods, I shall summon the Demons...

Brian S  posted on  2007-01-17   19:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: MUDDOG (#2)

yep.. could this have something to do with this.. Nelson's case?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/06/no.fly.lawsuit/

Zipporah  posted on  2007-01-17   19:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#4)

They also stopped the "real" David Nelson.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-01-17   19:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: MUDDOG (#5)

as in the Ozzie and Harriet David Nelson?

Zipporah  posted on  2007-01-17   19:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Zipporah (#6)

Yep.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-01-17   19:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#1)

The Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, dubbed DHS TRIP

What next?

New American Zip-In System

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-17   19:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: MUDDOG (#7)

Good lord.. from CNN

Among people with common names who have encountered problems at airports are U.S. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., U.S. Rep. John Lewis D-Ga., and actor David Nelson from The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet.

Kennedy has said he had to make several calls to federal officials before his name was separated from the one on the list.

A TSA spokeswoman said the agency tells airlines not to deny boarding to children under 12 or select them for extra security checks even if their names match ones on the list.

"We do not require ID for children because there are no children on the list," said Carrie Harmon, a regional TSA spokeswoman. "If it's a child, ticket agents have the authority to immediately deselect them."

Sijollie Allen said she and her son are both hoping more agents heed that advice.

"My son said to me: 'I don't want to be on the list. I want to fly and see my grandma,' " she said.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-01-17   19:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Zipporah (#9)

It was great flying not just before the war on terror, but before deregulation.

You could get to the airport at the last minute and run on board. They never used to cancel flights for underbooking. Sometimes I flew on commercial jets with only four or five other passengers.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-01-17   19:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zipporah (#0)

Someone has been watching Boston Legal. You don't kick Denny Crane off a plane :)

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-17   20:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: MUDDOG (#10)

I used to love flying..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-01-17   20:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mirage (#11)

Someone has been watching Boston Legal. You don't kick Denny Crane off a plane :)

You'll have to fill me in.. I dont watch TV :P

Zipporah  posted on  2007-01-17   20:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Zipporah (#12)

I haven't flown in the past year and I hope to keep it that way.

Screw the Gestapo.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2007-01-17   22:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Zipporah (#13)

You'll have to fill me in.. I dont watch TV :P

William Shatner's character _Denny Crane_ wound up on the No Fly List. Being a senior partner in law firm, he sued the Feds -- and won. The judge ordered the Feds to figure out how to get rid of the "Everyone named Mike Smith is on the list."

This is one of the two, maybe three shows I catch on an irregular basis.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-17   22:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Zipporah (#0)

The state wrongly rates you a terror risk and puts you on a list which makes you appear guilty. Then, you must apply for your innocence.

They hate us for our freedoms.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2007-01-18   6:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: MUDDOG (#10)

They never used to cancel flights for underbooking.

On 911 they didn't cancel the 4 flights either, even though they were on the average 28% full on coast to coast flights.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2007-01-18   6:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Kamala (#17)

That's yet another oddity about the 9/11 flights. All of them were vastly underbooked. I have flown probablly 100 times on commericial aircraft in my life. In all that time- I think I can recall two or three flights that had the sort of empty seats on them like all of the 9/11 flights had.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-01-18   6:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Kamala (#17)

As an aside, to get an idea of how bad air traveling has become- my pro war father so hates air travel now that he drives down to Florida now rather than put up with the indignities of TSA manhandling and the overall atmosphere of flying these days.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-01-18   6:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Fred Mertz (#14)

I haven't flown in the past year and I hope to keep it that way.

Screw the Gestapo.

My sentiments exactly.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2007-01-18   9:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Arator (#20)

I have not flown since mid-August of 2001. I am almost certain I am on some sort of list and do not want to give the airport "officials" the opportunity to humiliate me wrongfully.

Ironically, the last airport from which I departed (for DFW) was Logan in Boston.

The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government. - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-01-18   9:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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