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Title: oaths and bindings
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Published: Jan 18, 2007
Author: Brother Gregory
Post Date: 2007-01-18 10:43:02 by richard9151
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Matthew 5 verses 33 to 37 should create a lot more controversy in the modern church than they do.

Many Churches have no policy or doctrine on taking oaths or swearing, yet this statement was clearly a directive from Christ and one of the few times he gave particular instructions:

Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: The word Oath is horkos which is from horion which has to do with boundaries which is "from a derivative of an apparently primary horos (a bound or limit)"

The word foreswear is from epiorkeo, to swear falsely, from epiorkos which is a perjured person.

In verse 34, "But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:"

We see the word swear but from a completely different word. It is translated from omnuo, a prolonged form of a primary but obsolete omo. This obsolete form is found within many other words such as omoiazo, agree; omothumadon, with one accord; omou, together; or omophron, of one mind;

There is little doubt that Jesus is talking about swearing an oath before men but from the point of view that the oath is an agreement that sets the boundaries of our lives. He goes on to clarify his doctrine with verse 35 through 37, "Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

If Christ came to set men free so that they may be free souls under the God of heaven and earth then to take an oath or bind ourselves by agreement so that we no longer could make free choices would be going against the precepts of what Jesus came to do.

We know the kingdom operates under the perfect law of liberty and that we are to have no other gods before us, and that there are gods many. Is Jesus simply explaining that by our oaths and agreements we restrict the exercise of our God given conscience by giving the right to choose for us to other men.

These other men became the lords of our choices, our conscience and they have what the Greeks called exousia or the right to choose for us. If Christ came to set the captive free he came to set men at liberty. There are few things that limit a man's liberty than the boundaries established by taking oaths.

God wants us to remain under the higher liberty of His word which is written upon our hearts and mind by His Holy Spirit if we will come into agreement with Him.

See ROMANS 13 verse 1 to understand exousia

http://www.hisholyc http://hurch.net/ sermon/Romans13. html

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

Why don't Christians worry about feeding the poor and helping people without healthcare in American rather than worrying about swearing oaths and so on?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-18   11:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Destro (#1)

Why don't Christians worry about feeding the poor and helping people without healthcare in American

Your statement is so....... wow. Actually, Christians do help the poor; the problem is, you think of the religious right as Christian, and they are not. I doubt very much that you know a single Christian; just because someone says that is what they are, don´t make it so.

As to health care.... you have got to be kidding. No Christian that I know has, or wishes for, healthcare. They are well aware that this is their responsibility, and they certainly will never receive such with so-called insurance, which is, by the way, an international contract under international law; i.e., the law merchant.

And, we are not worrying about oaths. You are free to do as you wish, and if you wish to bind yourself with oaths, so be it. What this post is about is explaining to people the whys and wherefores as to why they are no longer free. Get it?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-18   11:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: richard9151 (#2)

As to health care.... you have got to be kidding. No Christian that I know has, or wishes for, healthcare. They are well aware that this is their responsibility, and they certainly will never receive such with so-called insurance, which is, by the way, an international contract under international law; i.e., the law merchant.

Whacky Americans.....

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-18   11:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151 (#2)

I doubt very much that you know a single Christian; just because someone says that is what they are, don´t make it so.

That's very true - like the Disciples being called Christians.

The word Christian appears in Scripture 3 times, and each time it was in reference to Disciples of the Messiah. HOWEVER, never once did any of the Disciples call themselves "Christian"; but were called that by others...

I would submit that "Christians" are of a different "ilk" than those that actually do follow The Creator and the Messiah; and as such the extreme minority of those true followers should be calling themselves something other than "Christian". As to what - perhaps we could take Jonah's example:
Jonah 1:9 And he said unto them, I [am] an Hebrew; and I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry [land].

If Jonah had been in charge of naming things for NASA, we'd be seeing names like The Abraham, The Isaac, or The Jacob... Instead left in the hands of Christians, we have names like Apollo, Mercury, and Jupiter.

The Messiah said "You'll know them by their fruits"... I'm perfectly happy to let Christians be Christians, and do what they do - I just don't want to be one of them, and ain't.

No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer

innieway  posted on  2007-01-18   12:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: innieway (#4)

Instead left in the hands of Christians, we have names like Apollo, Mercury, and Jupiter.

Point well taken. But the word Christian does appear in the Bible, and, just because such as those who name things such as you mention call themselves Christian, well, I do not permit such to rule how I speak or act.

So, in what you said, I would have said; Instead left in the hands of so-called Christians, we have names like Apollo, Mercury, and Jupiter.

Many of my friends have the same opinion that you do, but we know each other by our fruits. And, those friends do not take oaths, use drugs (legal or illegal), send their children to the public fool system, sign up their children into SS, or, any of the other things too numerous to mention that make up so- called modern life. A number of them are also accomplished herbalists.

I understand your point. Please, understand mine when I use the word.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-18   15:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Destro (#3)

Whacky Americans.....

Well said.... VERY well said. Sounds like it could have come right from the mouth of King George!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-18   15:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151 (#5)

I understand your point. Please, understand mine when I use the word.

I do...

But how many others do??? When the local judge (who calls himself a Christian) hears the word "Christian", it does NOT conjure up the image you painted of those friends do not take oaths, use drugs (legal or illegal), send their children to the public fool system, sign up their children into SS, or, any of the other things too numerous to mention that make up so- called modern life.". For him to understand that I'm different, I need to claim to be something different - and show it in my actions...

Religious Free Exercise is the one last bastion of sanity left in America. It's quite easy to avoid participating in the census or exempt your kids from vaccinations based on "religious beliefs" provided you're not claiming "Christianity" as your "religion". Once you do that they retort with "Well ol Hank down the road is a Christian - he goes to the Baptist church every week; and he filled out the census, or Kathy goes to the Catholic church and she got her kids vaccinated"...

Like you said, the word Christian IS in Scripture - BUT like I said, it's not a title the Disciples called themselves. It was something that others called them. I've been called lots of things over the years (and a lot of it wasn't exactly nice), but that doesn't mean they were right.

I truly DO know where you're coming from, and we think very much alike. I just won't and don't go by a title which can cause confusion to the masses, and I certainly don't fit in with the masses.

No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer

innieway  posted on  2007-01-18   20:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: innieway (#4)

I would submit that "Christians" are of a different "ilk" than those that actually do follow The Creator and the Messiah; and as such the extreme minority of those true followers should be calling themselves something other than "Christian".

not so, methinks:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name [i.e., Jesus CHRIST] shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Mar/16/17.html

Rev 3:12 — Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/12.html

Eph 3:14-15 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Eph/3/15.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-18   20:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, innieway (#8)

Boy. I understand both sides. innieway, you make some great points, as usual. And I have heard judges make statements exactly like what you are saying, as in; Well, other Christians have no problems with doing (this or that; usually, it had to do with driving without state issued plates back when I was involved in such things), and using that as an excuse to rule against us. So, yes, you are absolutely correct.

So is AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt. So am I, for that matter. Christ comes from the Greek Christos, or, annointed. The Christ, The Annointed One. Perhaps we should not be using Greek? And just be followers of The Annointed One.

That would raise some eyebrows, for sure! I wonder how many so-called Christians have any idea what the word means?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-18   20:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151 (#9)

Christ comes from the Greek Christos, or, annointed. The Christ, The Annointed One. Perhaps we should not be using Greek? And just be followers of The Annointed One.

I hadn't given that much thought, but now that you mention it, the OLD TESTAMENT refers to us as HIS ANNOINTED:

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],

Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html

King David was ALSO his ANNOINTED:

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/2.html

Since Christ is God's NEW NAME [seeing it was He who came down and died on the cross for us], I guess Christian really does seem to suit us. Here's another hint:

Isa 56:1 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation [is] near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

Isa 56:2 Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isa 56:3 ¶ Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.....

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa056.html#5

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/56/5.html

"a name better than that of sons and of daughters"....Christian seems to fit the bill there.

We have two other names that I can think of:

In Isaiah 65:15, God said:

Isa 65:15 — And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Isa/65/15.html

Note:

Isa 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/62/2.html

In the Old Testament, two verses later, He calls us HEPHZIBAH:

Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/62/2.html

Hephzi-bah = "my delight is in her"

He called us FRIENDS here [and note the wording...it is the companion to Isaiah 65:15]:

Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Remember that ABRAHAM was a friend of God:

Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. [and we are Abraham's seed....Gal. 3:16-29]

hmmmm.....this is James' faith by works speech.....Jesus preceded His Friends speech with:

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.

Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Jhn 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

...so this kind of takes us back to the theme of your article.

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Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

???????????

ooops....maybe i'm not there yet.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   10:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#10)

Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

http://www.blueletterb http://ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/62/2.html

Hephzi-bah = "my delight is in her"

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.

Well, the other side has done their best to see THAT didn't happen:

Mic 4:11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html#11

"defiled" =

1) to be profaned, be defiled, be polluted, be corrupt

a) (Qal)

1) to be polluted

2) to be profane, be godless

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   10:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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