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Title: Letter by a Mexican
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://vdare.com/letters/tl_011807.htm
Published: Jan 19, 2007
Author: "J. R."
Post Date: 2007-01-19 11:26:00 by innieway
Keywords: None
Views: 1051
Comments: 71

This is a letter which was written in response to an article written by a one Jared Taylor entitled Do We Need More Hispanics?:

From: J R [Send him

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First off, I believe Mr Taylor means that the US Census did not have a category for "Hispanics" until 1970...not 1980

In 1970, the US Census coined the artificial term, "Hispanic". Before that, "Hispanics" were counted as WHITE on the assumption most of us were of Spanish descent...as in southern European Spanish..."Hispanics" were tallied at 5% of the USA population by the 1970 US Census...

That said...

It doesn't matter if White America "needs" or WANTS more "Hispanics"...we are here and our numbers will only rise rapidly in decades to come...mostly due to the birth rate DIFFERENTIAL with other groups...besides...it’s NOT as if Europeans concerned themselves much with the sensitivities of NATIVE Americans when they began arriving ILLEGALLY in large numbers as NY Times writer...William Hogeland recently eloquently pointed out ...

Ultimately, the reason for the demographic replacement of whites in the USA will be LOW BIRTH rates coupled with the psychological and neo-natal effects of 2 fratricidal wars among the whites themselves...known as WW1 and WW2...I mean…is it MEXICAN’S fault that Germany’s population is now in decline because of low birth rates?

"Hispanics" are now 22% of the under 5 age population in the USA per the Washington Post, look at the charts and graphs at the bottom of the page...[Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities| Hispanic Growth Fuels Rise, Census Says By D'Vera Cohn and Tara Bahrampour, May 10, 2006]

Given that 2/3 of USA "Hispanics" are of Mexican ancestry, it’s safe to assume about 13-14% of ALL under 5 age youngsters in the USA are now of MEXICAN origin...a number that will SURELY rise in decades to come...

Society at large can perhaps afford to discard despised minorities, such as blacks, when they are a small percentage of the population...but THIS society will NOT be able to write off 1/4 of its youth...and that's JUST the "Hispanic" portion…over 50% in the southwestern states...can California afford to write off over 50% of its youth???

What happens when "Hispanic" youth represent 65%+ of southwestern states youth??? Can these states AFFORD to write off 2/3 of their youth???

By 2025, us MEXICAN-Americans will be the majority of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Nevada and Colorado will not be far behind...

More importantly, the foreign born % of our population will drop precipitously....most estimates I see say about 15%...down from the current 40%-50%....depending on the survey...

This means that the 100+ Congressional representatives of the 7 southwestern states, plus their 14 US Senators, will have to be responsive to an electorate that is at least half "Hispanic"...and rising...

By 2025, "Hispanics", 80% of whom are of MEXICAN ancestry in California, will be about 25% of the University of California system, still "under-represented" to be sure, but at 25% , a strong presence on campus...I arrive at this number by extrapolating from the fact that about 25% of California "gifted" students are now "Hispanic"...under-represented to be sure...I mean..."Hispanics" are 38% of

California's people and a 40% of the K-12 student population...

Fyi,”only" 2/3 of "Hispanics" in Los Angeles County are of MEXICAN ancestry...

The following counties are ones to keep an eye on;

*San Diego County, California...will be majority "Hispanic" in 20 years...meaning the under-25 age population will be at least 65% "Hispanic"...
*Orange County, California...will be 45%-50% "Hispanic" by 2025....meaning the under-25 aged population will be at least 65% "Hispanic"...
*Maricopa County, Arizona...will be at least 50% "Hispanic" in 20 years...meaning racist Sheriffs like Joe Arpaio will be a thing of the past...
*Pima County, Arizona...site of Tucson...will be 50%+ "Hispanic" by 2025....
*Clark County, Nevada will be over 40%+ "Hispanic" by 2025....seat of Las Vegas....meaning the under-25 aged population will be 50%+ "Hispanic"
*Denver County , Colorado...will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"
*Harris County, Texas... will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"
*Travis County, Texas...will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"
*Dallas County, Texas...will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"

In short, these counties will resemble the demographic profile of Los Angeles County, California or Bexar County, Texas TODAY...only the overwhelming majority of the "Hispanics" will be

USA born and bred...

This means we will be the Sheriffs, Police, Mayors, County Supervisors, etc...will be FORCED to respond to "Hispanic" electorates and communities....DEMOCRACY, remember???

"Hispanic" PURCHASING POWER will surpass 1 TRILLION (with a T) dollars by 2010....consider the cultural implications of this as companies vie to market to this community...

By 2025...the income, wealth, educational, etc disparities between "Hispanics" and the general population will NARROW...though obviously not be erased....however...by SHEER FORCE OF NUMBERS...we will have a STRONG (25%+) presence on most southwestern states college campuses...

In short, whoever has a problem with this should consider going back to Europe, Asia, Africa, Middle East or whatever the case may be ...Cuba perhaps???

MEXICAN, NOT HISPANIC, NOT LATINO!!!

P.S. Sure hope I get to read Joe "The Wop" Guzzardi’s obituary SOON

...maybe we can send his corpse back to the land of his mama’s birth???

As a 28 year old man, I also look forward to reading Peter "The IMMIGRANT" Brimelow obituary as well...and GOD willing...I will also get to read the obituaries of Steve Sailer (who I have seen in person at the Beverly Center ...I felt like confronting him...I was in a large party...but...at the end of day...EVERYONE has a right to their opinion...even ME ),

Pat Buchanan and Jared Taylor as well....the one thing you ALL have in common in that you are a bunch of OLD men...WE are the YOUTH...WE ARE THE FUTURE!!!

Mr Brimelow...if that bothers you....GO BACK TO ENGLAND where you belong!!!


Poster Comment:

So you don't see a major problem brewing with "our friends south of the border" do you Mr Bush.... The NAU should be enough to make all of our blood boil!!!

Fuck you JR!!! Take your slimy ass back to Mexico where it came from (probably illegally in your background) and straighten out your country's own bullshit!!!!!

Again JR, if this doesn't show your true colors (and the rest of your ilk) then what does??? And again - FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!! (12 images)

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#1. To: All, Christine, Lodwick, BTP Holdings, Jethro Tull, TommyTheMadArtist, Critter, Noone222, Everyone Pissed About the NAU (#0)

*PING*

No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer

innieway  posted on  2007-01-19   11:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: innieway (#0)

He assumes that there will be a 2010. You cannot project past trends into the future indefinitely. When the dollar collapses, hyperinflation will cut wages and pensions. Unemployment will reach 25%. Millions of illegals will migrate here to commit crimes because crime will be deriminalized. We will approach civil war. People will want to flee America. I see no future for this country until we are allowed to speak freely in the media about what the Federal Reserve has done to this country and what excessive population growth has done. Normally, increasing population beyond your natural resource limit would result in lower wages. That has not happened here because we have been printing dollars and the rest of the world accepted them as if they were gold. When the dollar is no longer accepted as gold, wages will drop 50% overnight. That is when the civil war starts. That is one more reason why I want to leave this country.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-01-19   11:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: innieway (#0)

By 2025...the income, wealth, educational, etc disparities between "Hispanics" and the general population will NARROW...

Yes, because by then the rest of America will be just as poor and exploited as Mexico barring a few uppper crust white elites who will control everything.

Jokes on you Cholo, by the time your "reconquesta" movement inherits the USA all you will get is a hollowed out shell of a nation no better than the one you fucked up and left.

And by that time all the smart whites (and every other race for that matter) will have returned to their homelands (UK, France, Germany, Russia, ect.) or started over in much more open and forward moving nations.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-19   12:11:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: innieway, lodwick, christine, tom007, range, Max, all (#0)

Ultimately, the reason for the demographic replacement of whites in the USA will be LOW BIRTH rates coupled with the psychological and neo-natal effects of 2 fratricidal wars among the whites themselves...known as WW1 and WW2...I mean…is it MEXICAN’S fault that Germany’s population is now in decline because of low birth rates?

The boy has an excellent point... And, research has been done that shows that a decline in birth rates is ALWAYS triggered by excessive taxation. Per Pres. Clinton, the accumlative tax rate within the United States is now in excess of 85%. This type of taxation always condemns a nation to collaspe. Study a little history and you will find this out.

As I have pointed out in other posts, México is actually a real republic! Can you imagine?! As in, the people, unless they contract with the federal government, are free from things public. What does that mean? It means that most Mèxicans DO NOT PAY TAXES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF MÈXICO! Ergo, high birth rates. They can afford to have lots of children; United States citizens can´t.

Now, why is there an illegal immigrant problem from Mèxico? Ask the feds in Washington, DC. THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF IT! And the primary cause of it is NAFTA. Before NAFTA, there was no problem from Mèxico. Why? Because a majority of the poor in Mèxico lived on Constitutionally protected land; land which they owned and which could not be taken from them, FOR ANY REASON. They subsistance farmed this land for generations.... then, NAFTA. The United States can no longer feed itself, yet it has countless factory farms (with heavy government subsidies) producing excess pork and corn, which is exactly the products that poor farmers in Mèxico lived on, and, made a very small income selling in farmer´s markets and the like. Enough cash for them to buy neccessities they can not produce. Not any more. The corn and pork factory farms from the states have flooded the Mèxican market, and those poor were starving. They left the land; they had no choice, and, they also had no choice in where they went. They went north.

Now, for a while, the factories set up along the border with the US (you know, the factories that left the US because of taxes?), soaked up much of the migration. Lately, however, many of those factories are now closed: moved to China! Sound familiar? Why? Because under pressure from Washington, DC, Mèxico signed the free trade treaties, or, they would have found the US markets closed to them.

OK. TO THE US! And once those migrants reached the US, they began to learn a few things. For instance, now (not before; this was a change in the law), any baby they had automatically became a US citizen, as long as they were born in a port-of-entry-to the US, i.e., in a hospital, which issued a legal (NOTE; LEGAL) Birth Certificate. AND; all of the birth expenses, pregnancy costs, after care, vaccinations, EVERYTHING, was paid for.... by the government. And, free education! Up to and including colledge! Not in Mèxico! But in the US, yes!!!!

So what do you suppose started to happen? Jose got to California, found out all of this neat stuff, and called home... ¨Hey, Pablo... GUESS WHAT!? ITS ALL FREE MAN!!!!¨ Now, what would you have done, when you could no longer feed your family, and it was because of interference with Mèxico´s internal affairs, by the US government. (Which, by the way, has been going on for more than 100 years. And, yes, I can quote chapter and verse on it.) And most of the population of Mèxico understands exactly what is going on, unlike in the US where most do not have a clue! They actually have a free press here! And the gov. hates it!

Oh oh oh... Who do you suppose is the largest farmer in Mèxico? Why... DAVID ROCKEFELLER!!

Then, I find it interesting to see snide remarks made in 4um about the lawlessness in Mèxico. For instance, there has been civil unrest occuring in southern Mèxico, and, this is pointed out as PROOF of how lawless the Mèxicans are. (I sometimes have to laugh just to keep from crying... ya know?) Others in 4um remark that, when are we, the people of America, going to take to the streets and let them know in Washington, DC, THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE! Yet, this is exactly what is going on in southern Mèxico, and, it happens whenever a part of the government gets out of hand. That civil unrest is going to result in the recall of the governor of that state, or, his death. He is as corrupt as they come. Meanwhile, Fox, a Jesuit (may I add) and a tool of Rockefeller, just handed over the reins of the government to another Rockefeller tool, both of whom are here in Mèxico to see to it that the Constitution is changed; and one of the prime changes? Fix it so ALL land can be bought and sold... AND, set up a contract system to entice the poor of Mèxico to contract with the Federal Government so that they can get a rebate on the proposed MUCH HIGHER taxes on food, gas and etc. Now, where do you suppose this idea came from?

And, there was a lot of fraud in the last election (sound familiar?), and the people here know it (And, they know that people and voting machines from the US was behind it), so, get ready for more civil unrest south of the border.... Mèxicans are not like you people; they do not put up with the shit forever!

Just like the last ten years in the most southern Mèxican state of Chiapas, where the Mèxican government has been trying to evict the natives from their land so that German coffee growers can use more land......

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-19   13:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#3)

Jokes on you Cholo, by the time your "reconquesta" movement inherits the USA all you will get is a hollowed out shell of a nation no better than the one you fucked up and left.

And by that time all the smart whites (and every other race for that matter) will have returned to their homelands (UK, France, Germany, Russia, ect.) or started over in much more open and forward moving nations.

You have got to be kidding me. Try reading the post I just put ùp at no. 4, and learn a little something.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-19   13:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Horse (#2)

excessive population

What excess population!? Try driving through the midwest, BUT NOT IN THE CITIES! Through the country side, and look at all of the vacant land! America has lost over 25 million family farms in the last 70 years.... there is more than enough room, just not in the cities!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-19   13:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151 (#6)

What excess population!? Try driving through the midwest, BUT NOT IN THE CITIES! Through the country side, and look at all of the vacant land!

All that vacant land with no water, no utilities, no roads, or is a state or national park that belongs to the Government and can't be purchesed by us proles, and is no-where near a urban center so the owner can find a job to pay for it.

Alaska has plenty of open land too, some ripe for building on. Too bad 95% of all that state's land is locked up in State or Federal "reserves" (Remember ANWR?)

Go ahead, keep beleiving that unlimited population grown can happen in a finite space with limited resources will result in bounty for all. I have friends who bailed on Southern California because the aquifers are drying up but developers keep building cut rate houses on top of them. Wonder what those who stayed behind will do in 20 years when the water runs out?

Please, if the Mexicans who are coming here in droves were free thinking proponents of small government we'd have seen motion activated mini-guns installed along the entire border years ago.

Oh well, it won't be the first time FEDGOV used immigrants to crush freedom. Thankfully by the time I'm 40 I'll have the lauguage and Job skills in place to bail on this shithole country.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-19   14:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#7)

Thankfully by the time I'm 40 I'll have the lauguage and Job skills in place to bail on this shithole country.

The scenario being played out here in America is only a part of a far larger global agenda ... you can't run from it ... besides, cowardice is so unbecoming !

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

noone222 12-17-06

noone222  posted on  2007-01-19   14:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: richard9151 (#4)

You need to do some research as does "JR" -- particularly about the Classic Maya Collapse and the Collapse of Norse Greenland - the abandoned Pueblos in the Southwest (see a SW pattern here?) and how Japan staved off Collapse.

Its all about overpopulation and environmental degradation and lack of resources. Think about where the "Hispanics" are moving to -- the Southwest? What resources are there? None!

Will other parts of the country "welcome" a sudden doubling of their population?

Not bloody likely.

Welcome to your future -- one in which we will be encouraging emigration rather than immigration.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-19   14:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#8)

The scenario being played out here in America is only a part of a far larger global agenda ... you can't run from it ... besides, cowardice is so unbecoming !

I know, I know. The Bill of Right is one of mankind's top 10 accomplishments and worth dieing for, but I look at the idiots around me and I find the idea of fighting for most them very hard to swallow.

"Yeah, go put your life on the line while we sit here and eat potato chips and watch MTV...oh and there's a 50% chance we'll turn you into the FEDs anyway."

Russia and some of the Baltic states seem to be getting their act together and they learned their leason about the nanny state big government the hard way. I'd love to be able to visit there and even live out the rest of my life there if the US goes to hell in a handbasket. They can't be any worse than what the neocons have in store for us here.

On a side note, to immigrate to some countries these days you have to meet age and educational requirments before you will even be considered. I guess we better warm up the bombers and take these "racists" nations out ASAP.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-19   14:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mirage (#9)

Will other parts of the country "welcome" a sudden doubling of their population?

Welcomed or not the great invasion is happening all over this country ... not just the Southwest. Coast to Coast, cities are faltering under the weight of illegal migrants.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

noone222 12-17-06

noone222  posted on  2007-01-19   14:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mirage (#9)

Think about where the "Hispanics" are moving to -- the Southwest? What resources are there? None!

There are plenty of oil and natural gas fields not to mention the Colorado river that provides water to multiple states.

Of course, if the South West was given back to Mexico all the US would have to do is Dam up all the rivers that flow east to west and 4/5ths of the population would be without water. (California was pissed when the Supreme court ruled that Arizona and Colorado get priority over the Colorado river. What good is a $500,000 house if you have no water?)

Welcome to your future -- one in which we will be encouraging emigration rather than immigration.

"Brain Drain" The same thing that happened in Germany and Italy in the 1930s, Eastern Europe during the cold war, and South Africa after the rise of the ANC into power. It's already happening here and will accelerate unless FEDGOV changes its ways.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-19   14:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: innieway (#0)

THIS society will NOT be able to write off 1/4 of its youth...and that's JUST the "Hispanic" portion…over 50% in the southwestern states...can California afford to write off over 50% of its youth???

He's right of course. And because California cannot, we must write off California.

Secede and partition today.

NOT, I’ll not, carrion comfort, Despair, not feast on thee;
Not untwist—slack they may be—these last strands of man
In me ór, most weary, cry I can no more. I can;

Tauzero  posted on  2007-01-19   15:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: innieway (#1)

pissed-off bump

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-19   15:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#12)

Yup. But there is already a water shortage in the southwest. What will people eat as the population grows and takes water away from food production?

So, if Mr. Attitude writing this letter thinks its the land of plenty, he needs to take a look at Haiti because that is his future if he thinks population can increase infinitely.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-19   15:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: innieway (#0)

Jared Taylor

He's excellent, innie. SOme years back I went to a seminar he gave in the DC area. He's still active and if he ever comes your way I highly recommend dropping by.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-19   15:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: innieway (#0)

What happens when "Hispanic" youth represent 65%+ of southwestern states youth??? Can these states AFFORD to write off 2/3 of their youth???

Why yes we can. Lock and load.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-19   15:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mirage (#15)

So, if Mr. Attitude writing this letter thinks its the land of plenty, he needs to take a look at Haiti because that is his future if he thinks population can increase infinitely.

The Ironic thing is I've met plenty of Mexican (and Russian) people who came to the US legally to get away from people like "J.R."

"J.R." sounds like one of those mouth peices in the USSR in the 1960's saying that all the troubles at home are the fault of the US or are propaganda. I used to live next to a christian couple in the mid 1990s that took their children down to Mexico to help the poor by building orphanages for free with church donations. I spoke with them shortly after they returned from their first trip and they said that now they thank God every day for living in the US.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-19   16:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#18)

The Ironic thing is I've met plenty of Mexican (and Russian) people who came to the US legally to get away from people like "J.R."

Ditto here, but they tolerate him because ethnic solidarity and an entitlement mentality (plus wanting to revenge wrongs from somewhere else 200 years ago) trumps reason these days.

Most "Americans" I know are busily gearing up and spending paychecks at gun shows. They are arming to the teeth. The "demonstrations" in various cities recently have only added to a grand survivalist mentality that is overtaking a lot of people.

So, the future looks more like Haiti than it does the Roaring 20s from here. "JR" had better get used to the fact that people don't like being antagonized. He should also note that while California might not wish to give up on him and his ilk, they have given up on California and it is only a matter of time before even the most conceited liberal writes him off as a loss -- because their prosperity will then be threatened.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-19   16:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: innieway, *The Border* (#0)

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-19   18:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

What happens when "Hispanic" youth represent 65%+ of southwestern states youth??? Can these states AFFORD to write off 2/3 of their youth???

Why yes we can.

No shit.

Already 2/3 of the youths biggest talent is playing Nintendo...

No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer

innieway  posted on  2007-01-19   18:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: richard9151 (#6)

What excess population!? Try driving through the midwest,

Plenty of space left for Beef Vats.

NOT, I’ll not, carrion comfort, Despair, not feast on thee;
Not untwist—slack they may be—these last strands of man
In me ór, most weary, cry I can no more. I can;

Tauzero  posted on  2007-01-19   18:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tauzero (#22)

Plenty of space left for Beef Vats.

lol

christine  posted on  2007-01-19   18:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

Circa 2000

% white non-hispanic, fibonacci ratios

(Any blue > 61.8%. Darkest blue > 91%)

% population <= 5 yrs, quantiles

(Not blue < 6%. Darkest blue > 7.4%)

NOT, I’ll not, carrion comfort, Despair, not feast on thee;
Not untwist—slack they may be—these last strands of man
In me ór, most weary, cry I can no more. I can;

Tauzero  posted on  2007-01-19   19:55:33 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mirage, richard9151 (#9) (Edited)

Its all about overpopulation and environmental degradation and lack of resources. Think about where the "Hispanics" are moving to -- the Southwest?

Unfortunately it is not just the southwest.

I have seen this scenario in the north far too many times. One Mexican moves to town, figures out that small farming communities are not as concerned with such things as green cards. He gets on the horn to his buddies, and withing a year there is a significant Hispanic population where there had been none before.

Yes the Hispanic population is heavier in the southwest, and this only makes sense. When you move away from home and family anyone who has strong family ties would prefer to remain within a reasonable driving distance of home. All of the Mexicans that I had to opportunity to know on a personal basis were family orientated.

I cannot blame the Mexicans for wanting to move here. We went down there, screwed with their political structure and made their meager lives worse (from meager, it is not far to go to get to unbearable).

Even though I do not blame the Mexicans personally, that does not mean that I want them here.

I will be at the front of the line to go politician head-hunting and get this country back on track. We are far beyond the letter writing and phone call stage.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-19   21:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: ladybug (#25)

At some point, the population will get to the point where it can no longer sustain this massive emigration. Already, the Western US is short of water. The US as a whole is now a net importer of food.

One economic downturn with Government in debt as it is (thus unable to extract additional tribute) and *poof* the whole house of cards collapses.

What is "JR" going to do when the freebies cease? He'll go take what he wants. That is when "JR" will be shot dead.

If anyone can show me an alternative ending to this game, please post it.

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mirage  posted on  2007-01-19   21:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mirage (#26)

The US as a whole is now a net importer of food.

I Have to agree that our economy maintain our current actions.

I cannot say that the emigration is the reason that we are headed for an economic collapse. It is the Americans who have allowed big business to take over, the Americans who are more willing to buy foreign goods than to pay more for domestic, and it is the Americans who will not stand up to the politicians.

The Mexicans, in my opinion, are neither contributing nor helping our issues with how much we import. The Mexicans are the primary labor most food that is grown domestically, I think that may offset the imported goods that they purchase.

One of the largest negative effects the Mexicans have on our economy is the health care and other assistance that is paid by the US for them.

Overall, I do look at this as primarily an American problem. It is our fault, and if we want to solve it, it is up to us. Unfortunately this will not be as easy as it could have been before the problem got this far out of hand.

It reminds me of the old adage, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   0:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: ladybug (#27)

It would be less insulting if the self-styled ethnic spokesmen weren't as obnoxious as they are.

Personally, I think the economy will take care of it. After we raise taxes through the roof to pay for Social Security they won't want to come :-)

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mirage  posted on  2007-01-20   4:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mirage (#28)

After we raise taxes through the roof to pay for Social Security they won't want to come :-)

?????????????????????????

Very few of them pay taxes.

It is the Americans who will suffer as they raise taxes through the roof so the Mexicans can receive benefits!!

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   18:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: ladybug (#29)

It is the Americans who will suffer as they raise taxes through the roof so the Mexicans can receive benefits!!

Everyone who gets a W2 pays FICA and medicare tax.

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mirage  posted on  2007-01-20   19:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mirage (#30)

Everyone who gets a W2 pays FICA and medicare tax.

Not everyone gets one. We have two people here in my home that do not, and we are both natural Americans and work at two different locations. I did not even ask to be paid in cash when I was hired on, that is the preferred method of the company.

If you look you can find a job that pays in cash, and there are people who would rather not pay in cash, but will if you ask them and if you are a hard enough worker.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   19:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: ladybug (#31)

True, but for industries who do hire illegal workers and pay on a W2 based on a phoney SSN, they will be soaked.

For those on a 1099 (and that will be cracked down on soon) they get to pay double taxation.

It will all work out.

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mirage  posted on  2007-01-20   21:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mirage (#32)

For those on a 1099 (and that will be cracked down on soon) they get to pay double taxation.

OK, and what about those who do not get a 10-99?

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   21:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mirage, ladybug (#26)

If anyone can show me an alternative ending to this game, please post it.

What is "JR" going to do when the freebies cease?

define JR. If you think that Mèxicans make up a majority of those on the dole in the states, you are sadly mistaken. And besides, the UN has a plan; see the post from today, UN Signs on US Parks.

There are plans that have been made by the UN and the US government covering reducing the US population to less than 50 million in this century. I have seen the population control posts done on 4um, and they are quite accurate.

I agree with what ladybug said above; I do not want to see the Mèxicans in the states either; they have a good country IF THEY ARE LEFT ALONE! But they are not; the interference in Mèxico´s affairs by interests from the states has been going on for more than 100 years, and, quite frankly, the people of Mèxico are tired of it, and they have no sympathy for the whining from north of the border. Unlike in the states, there is actually a free press here, and members of that press are murdered because of the reporting they do on a pretty regular basis. People here know and understand much more so than the average American.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ladybug, mirage (#29)

Very few of them pay taxes.

Understand this; the ONLY reason for laws making legal the Mèxicans working in the states is to get them into the tax system. That is it.

Also, remember, the Mèxicans had NOTHING to do with the changes in the law that permitted UNDOCUMENTED aliens to collect welfare, receive free medical treatment, educate their children for free (not even have to pay for books!) and on and on and on. That is what I was referring to when I said; AND IT IS ALL FREE MAN!!

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richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: richard9151 (#35)

he Mèxicans had NOTHING to do with the changes in the law that permitted UNDOCUMENTED aliens to collect welfare, receive free medical treatment, educate their children for free (not even have to pay for books!) and on and on and on. That is what I was referring to

Are you Alberto Gonzalez?

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Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   22:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mirage, ladybug (#32)

For those on a 1099 (and that will be cracked down on soon) they get to pay double taxation.

Boy, are you wacked! Only the small fry will get cracked down on. Do you really believe that friends-of-Bill/George-etc. will pay extra? Or, that anyone will dare to check them?!

And, can you refer me to one single law that is effectively enforced within the United States?

I worked without taxation for 15 years before I left. Not even hard to do, and, if that underground economy did not exist, then the US would have collasped some time ago!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#36)

Are you Alberto Gonzalez?

SSHHHH! NOT SO LOUD!!!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: richard9151 (#34)

If you think that Mèxicans make up a majority of those on the dole in the states, you are sadly mistaken.

No, I do not. But I do believe that they do make up the majority of those on the dole that have not made a previous contribution of a significant amount.

The US needs to leave a lot of countries alone. Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Iran, and Israel(yes, Israel, Let them support themselves and fight their own fights). Mexico is one of the countries that we have done very little damage to by comparison to many others - and you know that the damage to Mexico is very significant. Just think how rotten we have made life for people in other countries.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   22:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: richard9151 (#35)

Understand this; the ONLY reason for laws making legal the Mèxicans working in the states is to get them into the tax system. That is it.

That is exactly it. If someone cannot work legally in this country, they will seek a job that allows them to "fly under the radar". By legalizing these people they can get run of the mill, legal employment for a company that applies withholding taxes properly.

You are correct, that was proposed when the US started inviting in many refugees from many countries. No one can look down on the Mexicans for taking advantage of this opportunity.

Hell, if I could move to Mexico and work without paying taxes, get free medical, free education, and many other benefits, I would be all over that quicker than flies on shit. I would also invite my family and friends who would invite their family and friends and so on and so forth. Of course Mexicans seem to be a bit wiser than the average American, and their government would never allow such a thing. If roles were reversed, you know that anyone caught crossing the border would stand the risk of being shot on sight - not fed, administered medical treatment and dental care, they sometimes politely returned to our side of the border hence giving them the opportunity to make another attempt.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   22:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: richard9151 (#37)

And, can you refer me to one single law that is effectively enforced within the United States?

Hell no, laws are placed on the books so that they are handy tools in case someone WANTS to use them for a purpose. That is why most laws are written in a vague manner, so they may be twisted if need be.

The government looks at writing a law as most look at buying a gun. It might be a good idea to have in case you need to rid yourself of a varmint, you may not have a varmint today, but you don't know when you might have one wander in.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   22:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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