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Title: Letter by a Mexican
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://vdare.com/letters/tl_011807.htm
Published: Jan 19, 2007
Author: "J. R."
Post Date: 2007-01-19 11:26:00 by innieway
Keywords: None
Views: 1059
Comments: 71

This is a letter which was written in response to an article written by a one Jared Taylor entitled Do We Need More Hispanics?:

From: J R [Send him

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First off, I believe Mr Taylor means that the US Census did not have a category for "Hispanics" until 1970...not 1980

In 1970, the US Census coined the artificial term, "Hispanic". Before that, "Hispanics" were counted as WHITE on the assumption most of us were of Spanish descent...as in southern European Spanish..."Hispanics" were tallied at 5% of the USA population by the 1970 US Census...

That said...

It doesn't matter if White America "needs" or WANTS more "Hispanics"...we are here and our numbers will only rise rapidly in decades to come...mostly due to the birth rate DIFFERENTIAL with other groups...besides...it’s NOT as if Europeans concerned themselves much with the sensitivities of NATIVE Americans when they began arriving ILLEGALLY in large numbers as NY Times writer...William Hogeland recently eloquently pointed out ...

Ultimately, the reason for the demographic replacement of whites in the USA will be LOW BIRTH rates coupled with the psychological and neo-natal effects of 2 fratricidal wars among the whites themselves...known as WW1 and WW2...I mean…is it MEXICAN’S fault that Germany’s population is now in decline because of low birth rates?

"Hispanics" are now 22% of the under 5 age population in the USA per the Washington Post, look at the charts and graphs at the bottom of the page...[Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities| Hispanic Growth Fuels Rise, Census Says By D'Vera Cohn and Tara Bahrampour, May 10, 2006]

Given that 2/3 of USA "Hispanics" are of Mexican ancestry, it’s safe to assume about 13-14% of ALL under 5 age youngsters in the USA are now of MEXICAN origin...a number that will SURELY rise in decades to come...

Society at large can perhaps afford to discard despised minorities, such as blacks, when they are a small percentage of the population...but THIS society will NOT be able to write off 1/4 of its youth...and that's JUST the "Hispanic" portion…over 50% in the southwestern states...can California afford to write off over 50% of its youth???

What happens when "Hispanic" youth represent 65%+ of southwestern states youth??? Can these states AFFORD to write off 2/3 of their youth???

By 2025, us MEXICAN-Americans will be the majority of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Nevada and Colorado will not be far behind...

More importantly, the foreign born % of our population will drop precipitously....most estimates I see say about 15%...down from the current 40%-50%....depending on the survey...

This means that the 100+ Congressional representatives of the 7 southwestern states, plus their 14 US Senators, will have to be responsive to an electorate that is at least half "Hispanic"...and rising...

By 2025, "Hispanics", 80% of whom are of MEXICAN ancestry in California, will be about 25% of the University of California system, still "under-represented" to be sure, but at 25% , a strong presence on campus...I arrive at this number by extrapolating from the fact that about 25% of California "gifted" students are now "Hispanic"...under-represented to be sure...I mean..."Hispanics" are 38% of

California's people and a 40% of the K-12 student population...

Fyi,”only" 2/3 of "Hispanics" in Los Angeles County are of MEXICAN ancestry...

The following counties are ones to keep an eye on;

*San Diego County, California...will be majority "Hispanic" in 20 years...meaning the under-25 age population will be at least 65% "Hispanic"...
*Orange County, California...will be 45%-50% "Hispanic" by 2025....meaning the under-25 aged population will be at least 65% "Hispanic"...
*Maricopa County, Arizona...will be at least 50% "Hispanic" in 20 years...meaning racist Sheriffs like Joe Arpaio will be a thing of the past...
*Pima County, Arizona...site of Tucson...will be 50%+ "Hispanic" by 2025....
*Clark County, Nevada will be over 40%+ "Hispanic" by 2025....seat of Las Vegas....meaning the under-25 aged population will be 50%+ "Hispanic"
*Denver County , Colorado...will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"
*Harris County, Texas... will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"
*Travis County, Texas...will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"
*Dallas County, Texas...will be over 50% "Hispanic" by 2025...meaning the under-25 aged population will be 65%+ "Hispanic"

In short, these counties will resemble the demographic profile of Los Angeles County, California or Bexar County, Texas TODAY...only the overwhelming majority of the "Hispanics" will be

USA born and bred...

This means we will be the Sheriffs, Police, Mayors, County Supervisors, etc...will be FORCED to respond to "Hispanic" electorates and communities....DEMOCRACY, remember???

"Hispanic" PURCHASING POWER will surpass 1 TRILLION (with a T) dollars by 2010....consider the cultural implications of this as companies vie to market to this community...

By 2025...the income, wealth, educational, etc disparities between "Hispanics" and the general population will NARROW...though obviously not be erased....however...by SHEER FORCE OF NUMBERS...we will have a STRONG (25%+) presence on most southwestern states college campuses...

In short, whoever has a problem with this should consider going back to Europe, Asia, Africa, Middle East or whatever the case may be ...Cuba perhaps???

MEXICAN, NOT HISPANIC, NOT LATINO!!!

P.S. Sure hope I get to read Joe "The Wop" Guzzardi’s obituary SOON

...maybe we can send his corpse back to the land of his mama’s birth???

As a 28 year old man, I also look forward to reading Peter "The IMMIGRANT" Brimelow obituary as well...and GOD willing...I will also get to read the obituaries of Steve Sailer (who I have seen in person at the Beverly Center ...I felt like confronting him...I was in a large party...but...at the end of day...EVERYONE has a right to their opinion...even ME ),

Pat Buchanan and Jared Taylor as well....the one thing you ALL have in common in that you are a bunch of OLD men...WE are the YOUTH...WE ARE THE FUTURE!!!

Mr Brimelow...if that bothers you....GO BACK TO ENGLAND where you belong!!!


Poster Comment:

So you don't see a major problem brewing with "our friends south of the border" do you Mr Bush.... The NAU should be enough to make all of our blood boil!!!

Fuck you JR!!! Take your slimy ass back to Mexico where it came from (probably illegally in your background) and straighten out your country's own bullshit!!!!!

Again JR, if this doesn't show your true colors (and the rest of your ilk) then what does??? And again - FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!! (12 images)

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#32. To: ladybug (#31)

True, but for industries who do hire illegal workers and pay on a W2 based on a phoney SSN, they will be soaked.

For those on a 1099 (and that will be cracked down on soon) they get to pay double taxation.

It will all work out.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-20   21:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mirage (#32)

For those on a 1099 (and that will be cracked down on soon) they get to pay double taxation.

OK, and what about those who do not get a 10-99?

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   21:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mirage, ladybug (#26)

If anyone can show me an alternative ending to this game, please post it.

What is "JR" going to do when the freebies cease?

define JR. If you think that Mèxicans make up a majority of those on the dole in the states, you are sadly mistaken. And besides, the UN has a plan; see the post from today, UN Signs on US Parks.

There are plans that have been made by the UN and the US government covering reducing the US population to less than 50 million in this century. I have seen the population control posts done on 4um, and they are quite accurate.

I agree with what ladybug said above; I do not want to see the Mèxicans in the states either; they have a good country IF THEY ARE LEFT ALONE! But they are not; the interference in Mèxico´s affairs by interests from the states has been going on for more than 100 years, and, quite frankly, the people of Mèxico are tired of it, and they have no sympathy for the whining from north of the border. Unlike in the states, there is actually a free press here, and members of that press are murdered because of the reporting they do on a pretty regular basis. People here know and understand much more so than the average American.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ladybug, mirage (#29)

Very few of them pay taxes.

Understand this; the ONLY reason for laws making legal the Mèxicans working in the states is to get them into the tax system. That is it.

Also, remember, the Mèxicans had NOTHING to do with the changes in the law that permitted UNDOCUMENTED aliens to collect welfare, receive free medical treatment, educate their children for free (not even have to pay for books!) and on and on and on. That is what I was referring to when I said; AND IT IS ALL FREE MAN!!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: richard9151 (#35)

he Mèxicans had NOTHING to do with the changes in the law that permitted UNDOCUMENTED aliens to collect welfare, receive free medical treatment, educate their children for free (not even have to pay for books!) and on and on and on. That is what I was referring to

Are you Alberto Gonzalez?

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   22:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mirage, ladybug (#32)

For those on a 1099 (and that will be cracked down on soon) they get to pay double taxation.

Boy, are you wacked! Only the small fry will get cracked down on. Do you really believe that friends-of-Bill/George-etc. will pay extra? Or, that anyone will dare to check them?!

And, can you refer me to one single law that is effectively enforced within the United States?

I worked without taxation for 15 years before I left. Not even hard to do, and, if that underground economy did not exist, then the US would have collasped some time ago!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#36)

Are you Alberto Gonzalez?

SSHHHH! NOT SO LOUD!!!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-20   22:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: richard9151 (#34)

If you think that Mèxicans make up a majority of those on the dole in the states, you are sadly mistaken.

No, I do not. But I do believe that they do make up the majority of those on the dole that have not made a previous contribution of a significant amount.

The US needs to leave a lot of countries alone. Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Iran, and Israel(yes, Israel, Let them support themselves and fight their own fights). Mexico is one of the countries that we have done very little damage to by comparison to many others - and you know that the damage to Mexico is very significant. Just think how rotten we have made life for people in other countries.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   22:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: richard9151 (#35)

Understand this; the ONLY reason for laws making legal the Mèxicans working in the states is to get them into the tax system. That is it.

That is exactly it. If someone cannot work legally in this country, they will seek a job that allows them to "fly under the radar". By legalizing these people they can get run of the mill, legal employment for a company that applies withholding taxes properly.

You are correct, that was proposed when the US started inviting in many refugees from many countries. No one can look down on the Mexicans for taking advantage of this opportunity.

Hell, if I could move to Mexico and work without paying taxes, get free medical, free education, and many other benefits, I would be all over that quicker than flies on shit. I would also invite my family and friends who would invite their family and friends and so on and so forth. Of course Mexicans seem to be a bit wiser than the average American, and their government would never allow such a thing. If roles were reversed, you know that anyone caught crossing the border would stand the risk of being shot on sight - not fed, administered medical treatment and dental care, they sometimes politely returned to our side of the border hence giving them the opportunity to make another attempt.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   22:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: richard9151 (#37)

And, can you refer me to one single law that is effectively enforced within the United States?

Hell no, laws are placed on the books so that they are handy tools in case someone WANTS to use them for a purpose. That is why most laws are written in a vague manner, so they may be twisted if need be.

The government looks at writing a law as most look at buying a gun. It might be a good idea to have in case you need to rid yourself of a varmint, you may not have a varmint today, but you don't know when you might have one wander in.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   22:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: ladybug (#39)

Mexico is one of the countries that we have done very little damage to by comparison to many others - and you know that the damage to Mexico is very significant. Just think how rotten we have made life for people in other countries.

Mexicans would not be coming here by the thousands if it were not for NAFTA, which has ruined the peasant's ability to earn a living off the land as they have done for generations.

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-01-20   22:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: richard9151 (#38)

Alberto "the monkey" Gonzolez? Are you gonna drink that milk?

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   22:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: ladybug (#33)

OK, and what about those who do not get a 10-99?

That's what the coming consumption tax (along with the income tax) will take care of.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-20   23:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: richard9151 (#37)

And, can you refer me to one single law that is effectively enforced within the United States?

Property tax collection on land.

Next?

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-20   23:40:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mirage (#44)

That's what the coming consumption tax (along with the income tax) will take care of.

And what about those few who produce the vast majority of what they consume?

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   23:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mirage (#44)

Who said pop culture isn't a good influence?

Me And Mrs Jones /Billy Paul

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   23:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: ladybug (#46)

And what about those few who produce the vast majority of what they consume?

Waco and Ruby Ridge should be enough of a wakeup call to those people -- and inform them that the days of that lifestyle are numbered.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-21   0:17:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#10)

Actually I don't think ANY nation will have learned its lesson until it dumps GUN CONTROL in any form. GUN CONTROL is the foundation for all other forms of tyrany and totalitarianism including GENOCIDE and DEMOCIDE.

Coral Snake  posted on  2007-01-21   0:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mirage (#48)

and inform them that the days of that lifestyle are numbered.

If you carefully fly under the radar, it can be done. We do it here, and I do not feel that "our days are numbered" because of it. In fact, when the economy turns turtle, our days will most likely be lengthened because of it.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-21   0:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: ladybug (#50)

In fact, when the economy turns turtle, our days will most likely be lengthened because of it.

Until the masses overrun you or the Government comes to re-allocate your resources. Most localities have "anti-hoarding" statutes and there are statutes in every state and at the Federal level to re-allocate everything you own in the event of an emergency.

Don't worry, be happy. It has all been arranged.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-21   1:09:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mirage (#51)

Until the masses overrun you or the Government comes to re-allocate your resources. Most localities have "anti-hoarding" statutes and there are statutes in every state and at the Federal level to re-allocate everything you own in the event of an emergency.

It is apparent that you believe that the government will dominate everyone and there is nothing that anyone can do in their own self defense, so just roll over and await your fate.

I would rather prepare just in case they forget to raid our home. I would far rather know that I did all that I could then to have done nothing and sit there starving wondering what I could have done.

My dear Ol' Grandad always told me to make sure at the end of my days when I look back on my life that I regret the things I did instead of the things I didn't do.

I do not think that I will regret being prepared. Worse case scenario, if the government does raid our stores it would help a little bit to feed others.

On the other hand, if I did not try to prepare at all, I know I would regret it!!!

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-21   6:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mirage (#45)

Property tax collection on land.

Try again, because you are not even close. I have a large number of friends who have un-taxed their homes using existing laws on the books. Try the railroad companies, who still hold tens of thousands of acres of land given to them in the 1800s under allodial title, and, the buildings built on that land are also not taxable.

And if you think that these two examples are the only ones, well, do you really believe that David Rockefeller and his rich friends are unaware of the advantages in not paying taxes of this sort?! Oh oh oh, another one is the Federal Reserve, which also pays no income tax. (And do not go there; I can show you a federal court case where the court ruled that employees of the Federal Reserve were not entitled to join the federal retirement program because they are employed in a private, non-governmental company.)

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   10:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Coral Snake (#49)

DEMOCIDE.

Ummm, interesting. Sounds like the final stages of democracy.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   10:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: BTP Holdings, ladybug, mirage, all (#42)

Mexicans would not be coming here by the thousands if it were not for NAFTA, which has ruined the peasant's ability to earn a living off the land as they have done for generations.

Listen to the man, you all, cause he just hit the nail on the head, the ball out of the park, scored 150 out of a possible 100 points, and did a triple double, all in one sentance.

The entire problem in the US with the illegal migration from Mèxico is caused by this and this alone. Prior to NAFTA, THERE WAS NO PROBLEM. And there would not be today, without NAFTA. Most Mèxicans do not share the values that you all find so dear, i.e., new cars, flat screen TV (and the bigger; THE BETTER!), and consumerism in general. Family is where it is at, and most of them would chose to stay at home, if it were possible. And, most of them would come back home, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. It ain´t, and they are not going to as long as the United States government is in charge of America.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   10:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: ladybug (#41)

Hell no, laws are placed on the books so that they are handy tools in case someone WANTS to use them for a purpose. That is why most laws are written in a vague manner, so they may be twisted if need be.

Exactly, and, so that the rich, who can afford countless lawyers, can not be held accountable for any of their actions, because there is always a back door- get-out-of-jail-free-card available.

Reminds me of the observation that the more laws a nation has, the more corrupt it is.

(Boy, we sure think a lot alike!)

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   10:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: ladybug, mirage (#50)

In fact, when the economy turns turtle, our days will most likely be lengthened because of it.

Exactly. And, I suspect, that day is not that far off! Thank the good Lord that I am not in a city in the US!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   11:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: richard9151 (#57)

Thank the good Lord that I am not in a city in the US!

I cannot agree with you more on that point!!

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-21   11:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: richard9151 (#55)

Family is where it is at, and most of them would chose to stay at home, if it were possible.

BINGO!!! And the American people have been duped by the "women's lib" and "equal rights for all" as a means for the government to tax a greater percent of the population.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-21   11:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: richard9151 (#56)

(Boy, we sure think a lot alike!)

Yes, we do.

I think that this stems from both of us having gotten to know several Mexicans and understanding their plight, learning the problem from their perspective. It is amazing what you can see when you learn to look at life from more than one point of view.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-21   11:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: ladybug (#60)

It is amazing what you can see when you learn to look at life from more than one point of view.

Even more than knowing a few Mèxicans, I think this is the single most important aspect of learning; look, listen, learn. Without the look and listen, no learning. Everything stays static, and boring!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   11:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: ladybug (#52)

It is apparent that you believe that the government will dominate everyone and there is nothing that anyone can do in their own self defense, so just roll over and await your fate.

Oh no, that is not what I believe at all.

I believe fully 90% or more of the American People will be COMPLICIT in making that happen.

The other 10% will fight valiantly and be rolled over by their countrymen who are now dependent on Uncle $ugar for their livelihood.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-21   15:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: richard9151 (#55)

Prior to NAFTA, THERE WAS NO PROBLEM.

Then why did Eisenhower instigate _Operation Wetback_ ?

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-21   15:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: richard9151 (#53)

Try again, because you are not even close. I have a large number of friends who have un-taxed their homes using existing laws on the books.

You just made my point for me. Thank you very much.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-01-21   15:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mirage (#63)

Then why did Eisenhower instigate _Operation Wetback_ ?

Anyone who brings that up is a racist, didn't you know?

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-21   15:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mirage (#63)

Then why did Eisenhower instigate _Operation Wetback_ ?

To begin the long term project of closing the border. The treaties ending the Texas and Mèxican war in the 1840s specifically permitted equal rights of living in Texas, as it was constituted at that time, to all Mèxicans as well as all Texans. Remember, if you will, that Texas was Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and parts of three other states.

As it says in one of the webs sources, to remove about 80,000 undocumented people from the southwestern United States

Wooppee. Big deal. Undocumented also means non-tax paying. And, that was just after the begining of the income tax in the United States (which was put into law in 1934, and codified for collection in 1935 through the Enabling Act for Social Security). Mèxicans are not like US citizens; most of them know when they are subject to a tax, and when they are not.

Real difficult when you have 80,000 people walking around talking about why they do not pay the tax. Particularly because there was more than a little unrest about the tax at that time, certainly much more than there is today.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   15:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mirage (#64)

You just made my point for me. Thank you very much.

So your opinion is that any tax which is selectively administered, against the uniformed, is a well regulated tax. Correct me if I am wrong. And, of course, it matters not if the tax in question is a direct tax, i.e., a tax collected at the point of a gun, or, as authorized in the Constitution, an indirect tax, correct again?

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richard9151  posted on  2007-01-21   15:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: richard9151 (#66)

The treaties ending the Texas and Mèxican war in the 1840s specifically permitted equal rights of living in Texas, as it was constituted at that time, to all Mèxicans as well as all Texans.

Really? Most of those treaties specified where people were living, not "All Mexicans for all time" regardless of which side of the border they were on whenever they happened to be there.

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mirage  posted on  2007-01-22   10:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: richard9151 (#67)

So your opinion is that any tax which is selectively administered, against the uniformed, is a well regulated tax. Correct me if I am wrong. And, of course, it matters not if the tax in question is a direct tax, i.e., a tax collected at the point of a gun, or, as authorized in the Constitution, an indirect tax, correct again?

I was not aware there was a Federal Property Tax, but you are more than happy to try to make the case that there is one. Property Taxes are collected by counties and used locally. The Constitution has zero effect on counties and States in their local tax code except to tell them what they cannot do in a few cases.

If you can believe otherwise, try reading the Constitution some day. Start with the 9th and 10th Amendments.

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mirage  posted on  2007-01-22   10:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mirage (#69)

If you can believe otherwise, try reading the Constitution some day.

Been there... done that.... and written many, many dozens of pages on the subject, which has been read by hundreds/thousands of people.

Try looking in a state code book, and the first thing that you will find, in front of the state constitution, is the UCC; Uniform Commercial Code, which is the Law Merchant codified for federal purposes. This is the law that United States citizens, RESISDENT (only) in the several states, live under. And, it is federal law. ALL taxes collected under such are federal taxes.

And, if you really, really get interested, then look into the men that have broken the state taxing systems open and found the billions of dollars that the states are hiding, and not bringing into the budget processes.

No matter what you think, the bottom line is that America is drowning under an accumlative tax rate now in excess of 85%; this per the 1993 Clinton budget report to Congress. These kinds of things are not accidental, and the Constitution was originally established, or so we are told, to prevent this type of abuse, by stopping, amoung other things, direct taxation. That means, sir, for one thing, that there were no property taxes in the beginning in America. As hard as you may find that to believe.

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richard9151  posted on  2007-01-22   11:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: richard9151 (#70)

Been there... done that.... and written many, many dozens of pages on the subject, which has been read by hundreds/thousands of people.

Then you should know that States can do whatever they want to do unless the US Constitution (or Supreme Court) prohibits them from doing so.

This includes taxing whatever they want however they want including migration.

And there were property taxes in the beginning of the nation. It was a voter qualification to provide tax receipts.

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mirage  posted on  2007-01-23   4:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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