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Title: As Bush's War Strategy Shifts to Iran, Christian Zionists Gear Up for the Apocalypse
Source: AlterNet
URL Source: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46753/
Published: Jan 19, 2007
Author: Sarah Posner
Post Date: 2007-01-19 11:33:49 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 301
Comments: 29

Christian Zionists are dancing the hora in San Antonia. Armageddon appears to be at hand.

As George W. Bush sets his sights on Iran, even Republicans are wondering how to constitutionally contain the trigger-happy king. But for an influential group of Christian fundamentalists -- White House allies that garner not only feel-good meetings with the President's liaisons to the "faith-based" community but also serious discussions with Bush's national security staff -- an attack on Iran is just what God ordered.

Biblical literalists, convened together through San Antonio megapastor John Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI), are now seeing the fruits of their yearlong campaign to convince the Bush administration to attack Iran.

Hagee came to Washington last summer on the warpath, and many Republicans -- and even a few Democrats -- welcomed him as an alleged supporter of Israel. More than 3,500 CUFI members fanned out across the Capitol to meet with their congressional delegations. Televangelist power brokers, like rising star Rod Parsley of Ohio, who serve as directors of CUFI, now proudly display photographs of their meetings with senators, brows furrowed over the seriousness of the task at hand. But probably Hagee's most important meeting was smaller and not public, at the White House with deputy national security adviser and Iran Contra player Elliott Abrams.

Did the two men talk dispensationalism or diplomacy? That the president's top national security advisor on Middle East policy met with the popular author of a best-selling book that claims that God requires a war with Iran demonstrates just how intensely politics trumps policy (and human lives) for this unhinged administration. Emboldened, Hagee returned to San Antonio fretting that "most Americans are simply not aware that the battle for Western Civilization is engaged" and "don't want to believe that Iran would use nuclear weapons against mighty America. They will!" As the bloody fighting between Israel and Hezbollah raged last August, Hagee organized a grassroots lobbying campaign to blitz the White House switchboard with callers opposed to a cease-fire. Members were urged to call the White House to "congratulate" Bush on using the term "Islamofascists" and on his "moral clarity."

Armed with blood-red rhetoric and the hubris of the politically connected, Hagee filled his 5,000-seat church for a weekend-long event culminating in his Night to Honor Israel in October. To an eager audience preparing for the end times, analogies to Hitler and denouncement of "appeasement" were flying. Anti-Muslim rhetoric was at a fevered pitch. All of it was dressed up as love and benevolence for God's chosen people. But what masqueraded as Biblically mandated generosity toward the Jews was nothing more than a political rally for a war not just against Iran, but against Islam, and for the dominance of Christianity (Hagee's brand, of course).

By the end of the year, Hagee was warning his followers that Iran was "reloading for the next war," claiming that he had "reason to believe that Iran will face a military preemptive strike from Israel to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons," and denouncing the Iraq Study Group as "anti-Israel." Although he had spent nearly a year claiming that Iran intended to destroy Israel, Hagee, in rejecting the ISG's recommendation to diplomatically engage Iran, fumed, "America's problems with Iran have nothing to do with Israel. Iran's president has said he intends to use nuclear weapons against the United States of America. My father's generation would have considered this statement a declaration of war and bombed Iran by this time."

Bush knows Hagee's minions are locked and loaded for a war to end not only all wars, but the world. He might have already signed a secret executive order authorizing military action against Iran. But last week Bush nonetheless lamely tried to bring the rest of the country on board with his tried (but by no means true) device of uttering the words "Iran," "nuclear weapons" and "9/11" in the same breath.

His saber rattling won't work for the majority of Americans outraged by his conduct of the Iraq war and opposed to its escalation. But for his listeners gearing up for the end times -- a segment of American evangelicals increasingly united around this issue -- Bush fired up the grandiose rhetoric of a final showdown: "The challenge playing out across the broader Middle East is more than a military conflict. It is the decisive ideological struggle of our time."

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

The founding fathers were familiar with these sorts of bloodthirsty, Christian kooks and that is the reason they were so very clear in indicating that the US is not a Christian nation. And this is why the amendment to make it so was shot down so neatly after almost 80 years of effort.

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...  posted on  2007-01-19   11:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: ... (#1)

That's total nonsense. More than 86% of Americans consider themselves Christians. Furthermore, this country was founded by God, long before those mostly heathen, so-called "founding fathers" came on the scene with their soon- to-be plucked, bloodthirsty abomination better known as CorpUSA.

http://www.nps.gov /archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html

Psalm 2:6, Ezekiel 17:1-10/Matthew 15:13.

"An account of the religious beliefs, and lack of such beliefs, of our chief executives, and a chronicle of the more important religious events and controversies of their administrations.

"When the crisis came, Jefferson, Paine, John Adams, Washington, Franklin, Madison, and many lesser lights were to be reckoned among either the Unitarians or the Deists. it was not Cotton Mather's God to whom the author of the Declaration of Independence appealed, it was to 'Nature's God.' From whatever source derived, the effect of both Unitarianism and Deism was to hasten the retirement of historic theology from its empire over the intellect of American leaders, and to clear the atmosphere for secular interests" -- The Rise of American Civilization," by Charles A. and Mary R. Beard. (Vol. I., p. 449.)

The Religious Beliefs Of Our Presidents by Franklin Steiner

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html

ah, yes, why do the heathen rage?.....that being said, you can add the Zionist Hagee to that list of heathens.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   15:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#0)

Fortunately; they will all be 'raptured out' JUST BEFORE the rest of us get nuked. Sounds like a plan.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-01-19   15:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: who knows what evil (#3)

That's not the way it works, either....Mat. 13:36-50 is more like it.....[after that, the resurrection and final judgment].....the "good ones" will be Left Behind....as it was in the days of Noah....the "good ones" were left ON THE ARK; everyone else was taken away.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   15:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)

"That's not the way it works..." I agree, but this is what they are being taught...do you really think these 'believers' would want to bring down Armageddon on themselves and their children if they thought they were going to be here to endure it? The message from Hagee and his ilk is "Don't worry...you'll be taken away BEFORE things get nasty". I do not agree with this belief...not by any stretch.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-01-19   16:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: who knows what evil (#5)

It's a bizzare teaching. They should ask themselves why the promoters of it, people like Hagee, Robertson, et al, are amassing such wealth for themselves, if they think they are going to be raptured out of here and have to leave all their loot behind.

According to this article, Hagee sounds almost giddy with joy at the thought that America would be nuked by Iran....he's probably a cryptoJew.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   17:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

Unlike most governments of the past, the American Founding Fathers set up a government divorced from any religion.

Their establishment of a secular government did not require a reflection to themselves of its origin; they knew this as a ubiquitous unspoken given. However, as the United States delved into international affairs, few foreign nations knew about the intentions of the U.S. For this reason, an insight from at a little known but legal document written in the late 1700s explicitly reveals the secular nature of the U.S. goverenment to a foreign nation.

Officially called the "Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary," most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president). Joel Barlow, the American diplomat served as counsel to Algiers and held responsibility for the treaty negotiations.

Barlow had once served under Washington as a chaplain in the revolutionary army. He became good friends with Paine, Jefferson, and read Enlightenment literature. Later he abandoned Christian orthodoxy for rationalism and became an advocate of secular government.

Joel Barlow wrote the original English version of the treaty, including Amendment 11. Barlow forwarded the treaty to U.S. legislators for approval in 1797. Timothy Pickering, the secretary of state, endorsed it and John Adams concurred (now during his presidency), sending the document on to the Senate.

The Senate approved the treaty on June 7, 1797, and officially ratified by the Senate with John Adams signature on 10 June, 1797. All during this multi-review process, the wording of Article 11 never raised the slightest concern. The treaty even became public through its publication in The Philadelphia Gazette on 17 June 1797.

So here we have a clear admission by the United States in 1797 that our government did not found itself upon Christianity.

Unlike the Declaration of Independence, this treaty represented U.S. law as all U.S. Treaties do (see the Constitution, Article VI, Sect.2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.") [Bold text, mine]

Although the Treaty of Tripoli under agreement only lasted a few years and no longer has legal status, it clearly represented the feelings of our Founding Fathers at the beginning of the American government.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

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...  posted on  2007-01-19   17:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ... (#7)

God's plan trumps treaties.

Eze 34:11 ¶ For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, [even] I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and [in] a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up [that which was] broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment..................

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze034.html

don't know if you know it, but Jesus is the God of the Old Testament

John 10 explains who His Lost Sheep are, and who they are not, and as someone on FR so wisely put it, verse 1 is His immigration policy for America:

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn010.html

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev021.html

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2Sa 7:4 ¶ And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying,

2Sa 7:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?

2Sa 7:6 Whereas I have not dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.

2Sa 7:7 In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?

2Sa 7:8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:

2Sa 7:9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great [men] that [are] in the earth.

2Sa 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

2Sa 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges [to be] over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.

2Sa 7:12 ¶ And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever......

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/2Sa/2Sa007.html#10

To make a long story short, God said he would take his people Israel [and CHRISTIANS are Israel now - Gal. 3:16-29, etc.], and plant them in their own land [not the old land from where He was talking, but their new PROMISED land], where they would dwell without having to be constantly attacked by the children of wickedness. The SEED is Christ - Gal. 3:16, and HIS HOUSE is again, the CHURCH - Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God, and God dwells in you? He said the heathen would try to cast them out: Psalm 2, Micah 4, Ezekiel 17:1- 10....it's not going to happen.....Ezekiel 38-39, Rev. 20:7-10.

Concisely explained here:

New Jerusalem the Bride

http://www.historicist.com/ojnj /ojnj6.htm

....read it all, index here:

http://www.historicist.com/ojnj /index.htm .....just overlook the error that Israel is all-white....it is not.....John 3:16, Gal. 3:16-29, Rev. 5:9-10.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   18:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

The book you are quoting from could be nothing but a fairy tale. One translated by King James, a notorius pedophile - a guy much worse than Ted Haggard. The US didn't even exist when the Roman Catholic Church decided which books to include in the collection and which to toss out. Way back in the 6th century.

Do you have any valid sources to prove your point that the US was founded as a Christian nation?

You can't use a book to prove the validity of the same book. This is called circular reasoning and it doesn't fly. You are confusing unsubstanitiated opinion, i.e., your faith, with hard proof.

Moslems say your book is wrong, as do Scientologists. Buddists ignore your book and they outnumber you. Mormans say your book is outdated, and their head priest talks to God himself on almost a daily basis to keep current on this sort of thing.

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...  posted on  2007-01-19   18:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ... (#9)

The book you are quoting from could be nothing but a fairy tale.

.....a 'fairy tale' whose prophecies proved accurate time and time again.....

THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF

CHRISTIANITY :

INCLUDING A NARRATIVE OF THE CALAMITIES WHICH BEFEL THE JEWS

So far as they tend to verify OUR LORD'S PREDICTIONS Relative to that event.

http://www.preteristarchive.bravepages.com/ChurchHistory/holford_destruction- jerusalem.html

The US didn't even exist when the Roman Catholic Church decided which books to include in the collection and which to toss out. Way back in the 6th century.

...which is all the more reason to believe God, as the prophecies regarding America have borne themselves out, as well.....I have only mentioned a couple of them.

Do you have any valid sources to prove your point that the US was founded as a Christian nation?

"The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606 (1)

JAMES, by the Grace of God, King of England, Scotland, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, &c. WHEREAS our loving and well-disposed Subjects, Sir Thorn as Gales, and Sir George Somers, Knights, Richard Hackluit, Clerk, Prebendary of Westminster, and Edward-Maria Wingfield, Thomas Hanharm and Ralegh Gilbert, Esqrs. William Parker, and George Popham, Gentlemen, and divers others of our loving Subjects, have been humble Suitors unto us, that We would vouchsafe unto them our Licence, to make Habitation, Plantation, and to deduce a colony of sundry of our People into that part of America commonly called VIRGINIA, and other parts and Territories in America, either appertaining unto us, or which are not now actually possessed by any Christian Prince or People, situate, lying, and being all along the Sea Coasts, between four and thirty Degrees of Northerly Latitude from the Equinoctial Line, and five and forty Degrees of the same Latitude, and in the main Land between the same four and thirty and five and forty Degrees, and the Islands "hereunto adjacent, or within one hundred Miles of the Coast thereof;

And to that End, and for the more speedy Accomplishment of their said intended Plantation and Habitation there, are desirous to divide themselves into two several Colonies and Companies; the one consisting of certain Knights, Gentlemen, Merchants, and other Adventurers, of our City of London and elsewhere, which are, and from time to time shall be, joined unto them, which do desire to begin their Plantation and Habitation in some fit and convenient Place, between four and thirty and one and forty Degrees of the said Latitude, alongst the Coasts of Virginia, and the Coasts of America aforesaid: And the other consisting of sundry Knights, Gentlemen, Merchants, and other Adventurers, of our Cities of Bristol and Exeter, and of our Town of Plimouth, and of other Places, which do join themselves unto that Colony, which do desire to begin their Plantation and Habitation in some fit and convenient Place, between eight and thirty Degrees and five and forty Degrees of the said Latitude, all alongst the said Coasts of Virginia and America, as that Coast lyeth:

We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, and to a settled and quiet Government: DO, by these our Letters Patents, graciously accept of, and agree to, their humble and well-intended Desires;........."

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/states/va01.htm

"...The English colonists who landed at Cape Henry in Virginia in 1607 did, in fact, plant the Cross of Jesus Christ in the sand. According to colonist George Percy, “The nine and twentieth day we set up a cross at Chesupioc Bay, and named the place Cape Henry.”

These Englishmen who founded Jamestown were organized under the Virginia Charter of 1606, which called for the “propagating of Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness and miserable ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God.” Jamestown “had a very declared Christian purpose,” said historian and pastor, Dr. Paul Jehle......."

http://www.coralridge.org/OneNationUnderGod/constitution.htm

".....In 1607, the first settlers stepped ashore on pristine soil at Cape Henry, Virginia. They immediately planted a cross and claimed the land for Christ. That same day, Reverend Robert Hunt gathered the group for a prayer service. Hunt urged the men to pray that the gospel of Jesus Christ would go forth to all nations from these shores.

The Pilgrims followed a few years later. They, like the Virginians before them and the Puritans who followed, considered themselves missionaries. They believed they were part of God's plan to raise up a nation from which they and their descendants would not only enjoy the blessings of religious and political freedom, but also touch the world with the gospel.

By the time of the American Revolution, 99.8 percent of the colonists claimed to be believers in Christ. The majority of the colonists took their relationships with God seriously. The first 119 colleges and institutions of higher learning were established as Christian schools. The objective of Harvard, founded in 1636, was "to train a literate clergy" to preach and teach the gospel of Christ. Colonial governments were Christian. In all but one of the Colonies, the people were taxed to support the preaching of the gospel and for building churches. A Christian consensus dominated Colonial society with few dissenters......."

The Roots of Our Republic

http://www.wwcmagazine.org/1998/redsky.html

"....The Bible is the Basis of all Law and moral standards. In 1820, the USA government purchased 20,000 bibles for distribution. Also take note of PUBLIC LAW 97-280 approved October 4, 1982

Separation of God and state?

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."--Patrick Henry

"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers." --John Jay (very first Supreme Court Justice )......."

http://www.gemworld.com/USAvsUS.htm

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CONGRESS DECLARES BIBLE "THE WORD OF GOD"

PUBLIC LAW 97-280 OCT. 4, 1982

Public Law 97-280 96 STAT. 1211 97th Congress

Joint Resolution

Authorizing and requesting the President to proclaim 1983 as The "Year of the Bible"

Whereas the Bible, the Word of God, has made a unique contribution in shaping the United States as a distinctive and blessed nation and people;

Whereas deeply held religious convictions springing from the Holy Scriptures led to the early settlement of our Nation;

Whereas Biblical teachings inspired concepts of civil government that are contained in our Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas many of our great national leaders-among them Presidents Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, and Wilson-paid tribute to the surpassing influence of the Bible in our country's development, as in the words of President Jackson that ***** the Bible is "the rock on which our Republic rests";

Whereas the history of our Nation clearly illustrates the value of voluntarily applying the teachings of the Scriptures in the lives of individuals, families, and societies;

Whereas this Nation now faces great challenges that will test this Nation as it has never been tested before; and

Whereas that renewing our knowledge of and faith in God through Holy Scripture can strengthen us as a nation and a people: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the President is authorized and requested to designate 1983 as a national "Year of the Bible" in recognition of both the formative influence the Bible has been for our Nation, and our national need to study and apply the teachings of the Holy Scriptures.

Approved October 4, 1982

http://www.gemworld.com/USAvsUS-BIBLE.htm

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THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. THE UNITED STATES 143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226 February 29, 1892

"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation."

Unless we are willing to conclude that the 1892 Supreme Court of the United States was supremely ignorant or supremely deceptive, we must admit that America was founded as a Christian nation, and nothing in the U.S. Constitution changed that. The Supreme Court of the United States has given us a nice survey of the Christian history of America. The words of the Court run down the left side of this page, with links to additional information on the right.

Having studied this page and the links, the modern concept of "separation of church and state" will appear utterly ridiculous............."

http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/TrinityHistory.htm

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Moslems say your book is wrong, as do Scientologists. Buddists ignore your book and they outnumber you. Mormans say your book is outdated, and their head priest talks to God himself on almost a daily basis to keep current on this sort of thing.

Mat 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat007.html#14

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   21:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: ... (#1)

The founding fathers were familiar with these sorts of bloodthirsty, Christian kooks

You got it.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-01-19   22:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: who knows what evil (#3)

Fortunately; they will all be 'raptured out' JUST BEFORE the rest of us get nuked. Sounds like a plan.

Sounds like an opportunity to get primo land and big screen TVs cheap.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-01-19   22:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, ... (#10)

Moslems say your book is wrong, as do Scientologists. Buddists ignore your book and they outnumber you. Mormans say your book is outdated, and their head priest talks to God himself on almost a daily basis to keep current on this sort of thing.

These people all have the option of living in their respective countries if they find the fundamental beliefs of America uncomfortable.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

noone222 12-17-06

noone222  posted on  2007-01-19   22:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

...which is all the more reason to believe God, as the prophecies regarding America have borne themselves out, as well.....I have only mentioned a couple of them.

Sorry, the Bible doesn't say a word about the Untited States. If I am wrong, post the quote. What is there is some gobbledygook that you choose to interpret that way -- and which other people interpret some other way. There will be a hundred different interpretataions for any Biblical quote you present. Why is yours special?

They Charter of Virginia you posted, dated some 100 years prior to the formation of the Republic, has no relevance at all. These are precisely the type of nutters the 1st Amendment was drafted to protect us from. You can go back to 13th Century France and find even kookier documents, but so what?

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...  posted on  2007-01-19   22:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

Continued - cut off for some reason.

As for your out of context quote from the Court, a quote which which must then be interpreted though a Christian propagandist to be useful, and dishonestly interpreted without giving us the benefit of the full context, this is simply deliberate dishonesty. It is as base and as a deliberate a lie as the lie the Creationsist were busted for regarding life contradicting the second law of thermodynamics - and recall that this one deliberate lie that destroyed that movement. I will take the clear, direct and on point words of the founding fathers over this -- DELIBERATELY -- mangled and third hand quote anyday.

Recall that the wording in the Treaty of Tripoli was reveiwed and deliblerate approved by the founding fathers themselves. They did it through the Contentinetal Congress. it is not something some nutter thought they said 100 years after the fact - it is what they actually said with respect to their intentions regarding this country. George Washington himself went over it and approved the wording.

With regards to your single quote from Patrick Henry, here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-baseed Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS By John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short

Jefferson again

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the first great corruptor of the teachings of Jesus."

More Jefferson

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."

Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."

John Adams

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole cartloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

Also Adams

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states "The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

Here's Thomas Paine

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

"Among the most detesable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Diest to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."

And; "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretend imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."

Finally let's hear from James Madison

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote "Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

These Founding Fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

There are hundreds, literally hundreds, of these such quotes. These people were not rapture monkeys. They were Deists, Free Masons and followers of the Enlightenment. They had seen fundies in action all their lives and detested them. Cotton Mather was not far before thier time. They knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote the first amendment and hobbled the theocrats. It was done very deliberately.

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#16. To: noone222 (#13)

These people all have the option of living in their respective countries if they find the fundamental beliefs of America uncomfortable.

Scientology was developed here. It is a fundemental belief of this counry. In fact, in my opinion only, it may be more valid than Christianity. The Scientology leaders are in constant touch with super intelligent aliens who give clear direction on every move the church should take.

Mormanism is also a fundamental American creed. It was developed here just like Scientology. And just in my opinion, it may be more relevant than Christianity as well. Instead of talking to aliens, Morman leaders go up in a tower in Salt Lake City and talk directly to God on a daily basis. God tells them how to manage the day to day affairs of the church.

In contrast, Pat Robertson only talks to Jesus on special occasions and the stuff he gets is all garbled, visibly strained through his politics and usually wrong.

Oral Roberts has to fast in a tower for 30 or 40 days before Jesus says anything at all to him. And again, what Jesus tells him usually turns out to be wrong.

The Native American religions were also developed here. Do they have more validity than Christianity?

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#17. To: noone222 (#13)

These people all have the option of living in their respective countries if they find the fundamental beliefs of America uncomfortable.

It's coming.....America will be as God ordained....for Christians only [and that includes the Old Testament saints - Ezekiel 37].

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-19   22:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mekons4 (#11)

You got it.

As far as I know, this was the only country that was founded by philosophers instead of military men. Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Washington and the other principle founding fathers were followers of the prominent Enlightenment philosophers such as Thomas Paine, Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and David Hume.

They were overtly Deists (such as Jefferson) or rational theist (Franklin). For the most part they rejected the Christian church of Cottan Mather and/or the Pope as suffocating.

By extension, they also followed the precepts of Free Masonry. Many, such a Washington were prominent Masons. The mission of Freemasonry at this time was to protect the Enlightenment from being snuffed out by a rogue King or Pope. Hence, the secrecy and hence the hate felt for the organization by the fundamentalist Christian groups. The last thing the Cotton Mathers and Popes of the world wanted was a bunch of free thinkers rooting for the rights of man from the church pews each Sunday morning.

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#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)

t's coming.....America will be as God ordained....for Christians only

Does Jesus want you to kill all the non-Christians or just enslave them?

He is quite the bloodthirsty bloke you know.

Is Jesus going to let his Ministers like Ted Haggard make sex slaves out of Buddist and Hindu little boys?

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...  posted on  2007-01-19   22:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: ... (#14)

They Charter of Virginia you posted, dated some 100 years prior to the formation of the Republic, has no relevance at all.

You have it backwards....the Republic has no relevance to God and His plan, other than that He foretold it, and ordained it........

Sorry, the Bible doesn't say a word about the Untited States. If I am wrong, post the quote.

Of course the Bible didn't mention it by name....God often spoke in parables....the meaning was not always clear until the time God intended it to be understood by those He wanted to understand it. Here's one such parable for Christian America...see if you can understand it:

".... Eze 20:33 ¶ [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD..........

Eze 20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.

Eze 20:41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.

Eze 20:42 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country [for] the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.

Eze 20:43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.

Eze 20:44 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD..........

Eze 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

I will reiterate one other example for you that foretells America and the United States, if you have eyes to see....

Psalm 2

Psa 2:1 ¶ Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? [WHY do people think they are going to supplant GOD'S KINGDOM with a HEATHEN SECULAR ONE?]

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves [ http://www.freedomdomain.com/racism.html ], and the rulers [ http://asis.com/~stag/uspres.html ] take counsel together against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],

Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us......... [kind of like what your heathen "founding fathers" said, and what you and some others on this thread are saying]

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion..........

[ http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html - see both the cross at Cape Henry, vs. the Cornwallis/George Washington "new nation"; Cornwallis told George Washington A HOLY WAR WILL NOW BEGIN AGAINST AMERICA... http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unionjack_epilogue.htm ]

Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges [ http://www.cephas- library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html ] of the earth.

Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#top

Psalm 2 is the Holy War against America, and Cornwallis himself confirmed it!

God ordained we would be in slavery for ......... [nevermind] .........our day is coming...........

Isa 10:24 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction......

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa010.html

I have seen enough fulfilled prophecies to believe it.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-20   0:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: ... (#19)

Does Jesus want you to kill all the non-Christians or just enslave them?

2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr010.html#4

Rom 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom012.html#19

Is Jesus going to let his Ministers like Ted Haggard make sex slaves out of Buddist and Hindu little boys?

Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

Mat 18:6 ¶ But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.....

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat018.html#6

...and you had best believe He feels that way about ALL children.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-20   0:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)

Of course the Bible didn't mention it by name....God often spoke in parables....the meaning was not always clear until the time God intended it to be understood by those He wanted to understand it. Here's one such parable for Christian America...see if you can understand it:

There are hundreds of other interpretations for this verses. Some of the people pushing the alternate interpretations are willing to kill over this. So why are you right and why are all the other people wrong? And why are all the other alternate interpretations throughout history now wrong?

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#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

They should ask themselves why the promoters of it, people like Hagee, Robertson, et al, are amassing such wealth for themselves

perhaps the american dollar is the currency in heaven

kiki  posted on  2007-01-20   3:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ... (#22)

Sure I could be wrong [but I don't think so], but these are only SOME of the verses that point toward God's kingdom on earth...did you bother to read any of the link The Old Jerusalem is NOT the New Jerusalem? I've expounded on this subject so many times, I'm sure people are tired of hearing about it. Did you read Galatians 3:16-29? It explains that Christ is the promised seed, and that through Him, Christians inherit [along with the Old Testament saints] all the promises that were made to Abraham. See THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL NOW http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/provan- charles_dd_01.html . Or better yet, search Justin Martyr Dialogue with Trypho a Jew at http://ccel.org....under the heading Christians are the Children [Seed] Promised to Abraham. Once you know that, it's not so difficult to figure out what country God was referring to in all the prophecies. The verses I gave you tie in with all the many other prophecies I haven't even mentioned. I'm not saying I couldn't be wrong, but I also know that Jews have infiltrated the church for 2,000 years, spreading their Jewish fables. I also know that Pat Robertson, for instance, is related to the British Monarchy, WHICH CLAIMS TO BE JEWISH, and which claims THEY, their pagan, Druid, Masonic, anti-Christ selves, are the throne of King David. Do you think these false shepherds are going to actually teach that America is the promised land for Christians???? Hell no; they publish perverted Bibles, infiltrate the seminaries and the pulpits, and do everything they can to not let that happen.

Let me give you another description of the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees:

Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake [it] not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mar 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod.

Luk 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

And yet, what is the kingdom of heaven like:

Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Luk 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Another thing Cornwallis told George Washington.....AMERICA'S CHURCHES WILL BE USED TO TEACH THE JEW'S RELIGION >http://[sweetliberty.org]. - the LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES!

B'nai B'rith speech:

"....."As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come . . . And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated to our future King of the World . . . We have founded many secret associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders and our direction. We have made it an honor, a great honor, for the Gentiles to join us in our organizations (such as Masonry), which are, thanks to our gold, flourishing now more than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those Gentiles who betray their own and most precious interests, by joining us in our plot, should never know that those associations are of our creation, and that they serve our purpose. One of the many triumphs of our Freemasonry is that those Gentiles who become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are using them to build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect the throne of our Universal King of the Jews; and should never know that we are commanding them to forge the chains of their own servility to our future King of the World . . . We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.' Unfortunately, not all among the 'convert' Jews have proved faithful to their mission. Many of them have even betrayed us! But, on the other hand, others have kept their promise and honored their word. Thus the counsel of our Elders has proved successful. We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation!

Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation. Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us. . . (Phillip II, by William Thomas Walsh, p. 248: 'The origin of Calvin' (whose real name was Chauvin). See also: Lucin Wolf, in Transactions, Jewish Historical Society of England, Vol. XI, p. 8; Goris, Les Colonies Marchandes Meridionales à Anvers; Lea, History of the Inquisition of Spain, III, 413).

Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive . . . We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). luther.htm........"

http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm

The "Christianity" you and so many others hate, is not Christianity at all, but Judaism in all its many fronts, including Roman Catholicism. http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

Here's another prophecy for the New Jerusalem:

Zec 2:1 ¶ I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.

Zec 2:2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what [is] the breadth thereof, and what [is] the length thereof.

Zec 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,

Zec 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited [as] towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:

Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

Zec 2:6 ¶ Ho, ho, [come forth], and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest [with] the daughter of Babylon............. [see also Rev. 2:9/Rev. 3:9]

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4

Knowing that Jesus told the Jews: The kingdom will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits thereof; knowing that America is the only nation founded upon a cross and with a dedication to spreading the gospel; knowing that our rulers refuse to build a wall to stop their invading fifth column, but that American taxpayers must foot the $9 Billion bill to build a wall for the Old Jerusalem, WHO DO YOU THINK THIS PASSAGE IS TALKING ABOUT?

This city will be MARRIED TO CHRIST:

Isaiah - Chapter 62

Isa 62:1 ¶ For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp [that] burneth.

Isa 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Isa 62:3 Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate [See Matthew 23]: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

Isa 62:5 For [as] a young man marrieth a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee....................

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4

[see New Jerusalem coming down from heaven dressed as a bride for her husband http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/62/4.html ]

Zec 2:10 ¶ Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. [See also Isaiah 9:6-7]

Zec 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Zec 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

Zec 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4

You asked me how I know....maybe, just maybe, He has made me one of His watchmen:

Isa 62:6 ¶ I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, [which] shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,

Isa 62:7 And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

Isa 62:8 The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn [to be] meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:

Isa 62:9 But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

Isa 62:10 ¶ Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

Isa 62:11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward [is] with him, and his work before him.

Isa 62:12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#6

BTW, here's another prophecy for your US [versus my America].....it is considered to be toward King Nebuchadnezer [sp?], but all scripture is given for example, and I think it's final and most profound fulfillment ia in the Judeo-Masonic-Jesuit CorpUSA....the battle of the two eagles....God is the first.... http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Exd/19/4.html .....the second is obviously the symbol of your "founding fathers" and their "new nation" [New Babylon]...and more, but I'll leave it at that:

Recall the two plantings at Jamestown: the cross and the "new nation".......

See Ezekiel 17:1-10 http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html

....and Matthew 15:13 http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

It's all so very clear to me.....I'm perplexed that others can't see it.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-20   10:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: kiki (#23)

hehehe....or maybe they are just doing what their forbears in Old Jerusalem did, which was to tell the people to climb up into this tall tower to wait for their God, because He was coming to meet them there.....and then they burned down the tower.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-20   10:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Brian S (#0)

Biblical literalists

when the article above calls Hagee a 'biblical literalist', then the article is engaging in lies and cheap propaganda, just the same as when the iranian president is said to have said he desires to destroy israel. The words of the bible contradict tremendously hagee and the dominion christians.

allthekingshorseswontdoit is correct in his posts. Whoknowswhatevil is right that many christians in the south are taught garbage.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-01-20   11:03:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Red Jones (#26)

wow...thank you Red! I appreciate that!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-20   11:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

I like your bible interpretations. that was very interesting in Ezekiel 17.

I can see it and I think you're right.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-01-20   11:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)

Do you consider yourself a pre-destinationalist? or do you believe that we have free will?

This is the one toughest question for me.

Thanks.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   12:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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