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Title: Mexican president addresses tortilla crisis
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral ... nal/latin_america/16494325.htm
Published: Jan 20, 2007
Author: IOAN GRILLO
Post Date: 2007-01-20 12:42:32 by innieway
Keywords: None
Views: 1271
Comments: 42

MEXICO CITY- President Felipe Calderón signed an accord with businesses on Thursday to curb soaring tortilla prices and protect Mexico's poor from speculative sellers and a surge in the cost of corn driven by the U.S. ethanol industry.

The corn tortilla is the basic staple of the Mexican diet and is crucial for the poor.

The accord limits tortilla prices to 8.50 pesos ($0.78) per kilogram and threatens to use existing laws to achieve prison sentences of up to 10 years for officials found hoarding corn.

Some stores have been selling tortillas for as much as 10 pesos ($0.91) per kilogram.

It also raises quotas for duty-free corn imports to 750,000 metric tons, most of which will come from the United States.

The measure is to be reviewed for possible modifications on April 30.

FOR THE FAMILIES

''The unjustifiable price rise of this product threatens the economy of millions of families,'' Calderón said. ``We won't tolerate speculators or monopolists. We will apply the law with firmness and punish those who take advantage of people's need.''

The rise in tortilla prices has been one of the first major challenges for the conservative who took office in December, putting him in an uncomfortable position between the interests of business and those of the poor.

Tortilla prices rose by 14 percent in 2006, more than three times the inflation rate, and they have continued to surge in the first weeks of 2007.

The rise is partly due to U.S. ethanol plants gobbling corn supplies and pushing prices as high as $3.40 a bushel, the highest in more than a decade.

But Calderón also blames price gouging by Mexican middlemen who grind corn into flour and sell it to thousands of tortilla sellers across the nation.

''The increases in the international corn market do not justify the tortilla hikes in this country in the last weeks,'' Calderón said.

Under the accord, corn flour will be limited to 5 pesos ($0.46) per kilogram and corn itself will not exceed 3.5 pesos ($0.32) per kilogram, which is about the current market price.


Poster Comment:

Can you believe this??? With all the shit happening in the world, and AP finds this to be "newsworthy"... Hey TommyTheMadArtist - here's one for the "You gotta be shittin me" category!!!

Well, since they did it, (and I was stupid enough to post it - mainly because every once in a while we all need a mindless diversion from reality) it begs the question "What's wrong with this picture?"

For starters we see in the article "It also raises quotas for duty-free corn imports to 750,000 metric tons, most of which will come from the United States."

Good for Monsanto - bad for the Mexicans. They're now gonna be ingesting more GMO corn than ever. Do ya think maybe Monsanto has some "friends" close to Calderon???

We also see "a surge in the cost of corn driven by the U.S. ethanol industry." and "The rise is partly due to U.S. ethanol plants gobbling corn supplies and pushing prices as high as $3.40 a bushel, the highest in more than a decade."

Now I'm not against farmers getting more for their crops. Lord knows they deserve it. Their produce is so far behind inflation it's beyond laughable. BUT, this is pure nonsense being fed to the masses. Their propaganda machine is having us believe they're trying to do something about our dependence on oil - they're turning to "viable alternatives".. BULLSHIT. Let's look at ethanol...

The energy density of ethanol is less than petroleum, as the standard, accepted measurement of energy density for ethanol is 26.8 megajoules per kilogram. This clearly compares unfavorably with the energy density of gasoline at 45 megajoules per kilogram. So, you get a lot less energy per unit of weight. Worse, the energy return on energy investment of ethanol is "break-even at best", because oil just gets pumped out of the ground at minimal energy expense. Corn (the main grain used in ethanol) has the expense of working the soil, planting the crop, irrigation, harvesting, over-the-road transportation (as opposed to pipelines), and then "refining into ethanol".

Will the U.S. really wind up running its motorized culture on corn-based ethanol? According to Cornell researcher David Pimental, "If the entire U.S. grain crop were converted to ethanol, it would satisfy about 15% of U.S. automotive fuel needs." So the answer is no. But that doesn't mean we won't try!

So the bottom line is we slightly reduce the necessary increase in imported oil needed to satisfy an increasing demand for energy, but at the cost of making everybody's food horrendously more expensive!!! Because while the farmers are finally getting a much deserved "price hike" for their efforts - the REAL "price hike" will be gained (as always) by the middleman!! Hahaha! This whole story is too, too rich, and another fine example of government meddling at its worst!

OH, BTW - the best kept secret in America is that we have inflation under control... It has to be the best kept secret - because absolutely nobody in the country EXCEPT BigBro can see it.

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#1. To: innieway (#0)

When I saw the title I thought it was from the Onion.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-01-20   12:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: innieway (#0)

"If the entire U.S. grain crop were converted to ethanol, it would satisfy about 15% of U.S. automotive fuel needs." So the answer is no. . . . . So the bottom line is we slightly reduce the necessary increase in imported oil needed to satisfy an increasing demand for energy, but at the cost of making everybody's food horrendously more expensive!!! . . . This whole story is too, too rich, and another fine example of government meddling at its worst!

Well said. The ethanol industry would probably not even exist without Federal tax breaks. The only benefits to the taxpayers are those wonderful ADM ads that frequent Sunday morning talking head shows.

leveller  posted on  2007-01-20   13:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: leveller. everyone here (#2)

The ethanol industry would probably not even exist without Federal tax breaks.

The price of corn is driven by the ethanol plants, which are driven by the outlawing of the MTBE in our fuel, the ungodly NAFTA agreement, the unexpectedly low harvest last year, the courts awarding GMO companies patents on their seed, and as was said so well said, "another fine example of government meddling at its worst."

One of the newsletters I receive has predicted $6/bu corn and $10-12/bu soybeans this year - I would be a very happy camper if this proves true.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   13:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: innieway, *You Gotta Be Shitting Me* (#0)

Banana Republic worries coming to a town near you soon.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-20   16:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lodwick (#3)

We all better get ready for food prices to skyrocket. Livestock prices should soar with the price of feed corn. Meanwhile huge deposits of crude sit off Florida which will be pumped by the Cubans and Chinese while we stand aroud with our thumb up our butts so as not to have any nasty spills. We are ruled by lunatics.

willyone  posted on  2007-01-20   16:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin. everyone here (#4)

Here's the newsletter that I mentioned earlier -

Last week I mentioned time, and how it seems to go bye so fast. Time is always coming, but when it arrives, it is always gone.

Life is like driving on a one-way street forward, always in Drive, never in Park or Reverse. As we enter these exciting and dangerous days, time seems to be going even faster. It like the tether ball on the end of the string that flies around the center pole.

The accumulation of knowledge by mankind is the same way, always moving forward, building on past knowledge, always speeding up and never slowing down. God told Daniel about that in the Old Testament in Daniel 12:4, where He said, "But you Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."

Have you seen anyone on running "To and Fro" this past week? In II Peter 3:8 we learn, "…that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day" (NKJV), so the "time of the end" many last a lot longer in terms of man's time that God's time.

Speaking of knowledge, I read an interesting verse yesterday in Proverbs 19:2, "It is not good for a man to be without knowledge, and he who makes haste with his feet misses his way." RSV.

Now I know where the old saying, "Haste makes Waste" comes from. I wonder where the saying "Rain makes Grain" come from? It did until 1993! If it keeps raining in the Eastern Cornbelt all year, we may wonder once again.

Speaking of Proverbs, maybe Washington should take Proverbs 20:3 to heart where it says, "It is an honor for a man to cease from strife; but every fool will be meddling". Noah Webster Version 1833. It seems that the U.S. Government's Foreign Policy is to meddle in the affairs of other countries…all in the name of "Democracy" and "Peace". Anybody want to buy some ocean front property in Arizona?

In the meantime, while Washington meddles, the Commodity markets continue to run "To and Fro", but to where, does anybody know?

The estimated size of the U.S. Corn pile shrank 69% from a year ago in January. The shrinking size of the Corn pile is the key to all grain prices right now, and until it starts to rebuild.

The estimated amount of U.S. Corn ending stocks have declined from 2.426 billion bushels to 752 million bushels, a decline of 1.674 billion bushels, or 69.0% the last 12 months. At the same time, World Corn ending stocks have declined from 128.26 MMT to 86.44 MMT, or 32.6%. This is absolutely huge and can not continue without astounding high prices developing, because domestic demand is growing by about 1 Billion bushels per year. There have only been two other times when U.S. ending stocks declined more than this past year, Jan 1996 at 71.95% and Jan 1984 at 83.31%, but demand was expanding only by about 330 million bushels in those years!

The BIG Picture in Corn is that STUR values (Stocks-To-Use-Ratios) are probably going to stay below 8% for months with S&D tables showing tighter stocks being the trend through both the 2007 and the 2008 growing seasons. The January WASDE Report dropped the STUR to 6.39%, the lowest January STUR since 1996 at 5.51% and 1974 when it was 6.20%.

The trend of the Stocks-To-Use-Ratios, (STUR), ultimately drives the price trend in the grain markets. Huge swings can and will take place, like the 44.00-cent trading range that we saw in March Corn Futures two week's ago, but the ultimate driving forces are the trends of the STUR values in the end. This is very important to keep in mind.

The gap in CZ between 375.00 and 394.50 centers at 384.75, and projects a target of 415.00, but is may take a rest before getting there until it can print a daily Close above 400.

In the meantime, severe corrections and wide daily and weekly trading ranges will occur. Get used to them!

Unless things change in a hurry, the Ethanol plants that will be coming online where the concrete is currently being poured will be great enough that the demand for Corn will make the next two growing seasons extremely tight on ending stocks. This is not a situation that will allow prices to trend lower for weeks and months unless perfect growing conditions exist all over, and enough acres get planted.

Every new 100-million gallon Ethanol plant that is built requires about one million additional bushels of working stocks of Corn to be added to the pipeline for minimum supplies.

I sent out a Special Corn Supply and Demand Study last Thursday. We need to plant at least 12-million more acres of Corn in 2007 at 148 Bu/A national Yield to keep Corn ending stocks from falling a year from now. GO CORN!

As we all know, Crude Oil prices have been declining since last July. The Daily Trend is Down. The Weekly Trend is down. The Monthly Trend is Up. It will remain up until we see a Monthly Close in Lead-Option Crude Oil Futures below $40.00, which was the old breakout High on the way up. A 50% correction of the 1998-2007 rally from $10.65 to $78.40 will be in the $44.50 area. The target for the "ABC" zigzag that has been developing in the Monthly Chart is in the $42.80 area.

A computer keyboard never refuses to print a keystroke! Anyone can write anything they think and the computer will print it. There are as many theories as to why Energy prices have been falling as there are writers.

I don't KNOW the reason, except to say, on balance, there have been more sellers than buyers since July 14, 2007. There are many factors to consider in the big picture. Factors like declining U.S. demand, rising excess pumping capacity, $ exchange rates, Saudi Arabia being Sunni and Iran being Shia, the Middle East being somewhat calm right now, a warm winter in the U.S., alternative fuels competition all over the world, money flow, politics, who knows?

In the meantime, the Middle East is coiling getting ready for a breakout. The breakout will not lessen world fears, and that will not be Bearish Energy when it erupts.

If the present Foreign Policy of Washington continues, it is a sure fire guarantee of future unrest and hatred in the Middle East against the interests of the U.S., and eventually the powder keg is going to blow apart.

Washington is undergoing some surface changes, but down deep, probably not too many real changes. As long as Congress appropriates paying for the Pentagon's bills, the war machine will just keep rolling along. Good investment potentials in companies that build war materials?

It appears that the Bush Administration and the "Quartet" are ready to push the "Roadmap" once again against Israel in 2007. Have you noticed almost every day since Ms. Rice has been on the war path for peace in the Middle East how America particularly, and also Europe have been experiencing severe and strange weather happenings?

The "Quartet" does not believe that God's Promise to Abram (Abraham) is still in effect, and that Israel no longer has title and rights to all of the land that God promised to His people in Genesis 13 and 15:18. Members of the "Quartet" have a right to believe as they do, but they shouldn't be surprised when things don't unfold in a way that they want.

So here is the bottom line, as I see it. The U.S. will just dig itself deeper in the hole in the Middle East. More deaths, more lives and money will be wasted, more U.S. Federal debts, more inflation trying to be hidden by the government, and more punishment by the hand of God against the U.S. for dividing the land of Israel.

One of the reasons I have been and continue to be Bullish Energy prices in the Long-Term is because of my belief that Washington will never be able to do things right. We no longer produce Statesmen in our Political system in America because the love of money has infiltrated too many of our hearts too deeply for common sense to rule.

Keep your eyes on Russia, Iran and Syria, and China as they maneuver against Israel and America. Remember the prophetic warnings found in Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38. We are living on the edge of some really perilous times.

Here is a thought. Ezekiel 38:4 tell us that God will put hooks into the jaws of Israel's enemies and brings them forth against Israel. What do you suppose might those hooks be comprised of? Keep reading.

Until the Politicians grabbed the power in Israel over the Intelligence and Defense Departments, the entire world knew that you did not mess directly with Israel, because of all the victories they have accomplished since 1948. The summer of 2006 changed all of that. Why? The Politicians lost the war with Hezbollah, and now none of Israel's enemies are afraid of them. A hook is in!

China continues to develop relationships with many nations in Africa, cementing ties. They are not like the World Bank attaching all kinds of conditions on their money. Likewise, they are not like the U.S. that ties works projects to progress in good governance, which usually ends up in supporting some dictator. Why do I mention this? China will not always need the American consumer, and Wal (China) Mart, and the rest of the U.S. may be forced to make some changes.

Oh, and by the way. Remember my mentioning about China wanting to develop a strong navy? You wonder why? As oil and gas needs rise in the future, Russia and Anti-American OPEC groups will join hands. During the next several years, a massive rush to develop under ocean energy reserves will take place in the Japan, South Korean and China seas. Superpower navies will face each other to secure the oil and gas reserves in the deep oceans. They wouldn't fight over energy would they?

Speaking of China, did they really shoot down one of their old weather satellites? Great technology at work if they did, but not too smart when it comes to a lack of gravity pulling the pieces back to earth. How many of those pieces, pieces that are too small to be tracked by radar, will hit other space satellites, making more pieces? Do I see dominos?

Maybe someone will invent a "Laser Vaporizer" for Space Junk!

Global warming! Is it a natural cycle, a man made occurrence, or a natural cycle that man is enhancing? Recently it is being reported that Ocean Fuel Tanker's hazard warning detectors are detecting an increase in Methane gas coming not from their ships but from the ocean continental shelves.

In the meantime, a recent scientific theory called "hydrate hypothesis" if true, brings the rapid onset of runaway global warming from the feedback loop of melting "permafrost" and the resulting biological action releasing more methane into the atmosphere. Will 2007 be warmer than 2006? Go Corn!

Here are some interesting thoughts from this weeks' Frontline Thoughts by John Mauldin. He is quoting John Hussman and talking about all the money there is around that is looking for a place to be invested. "And all that money looking for a home has the US stock market at what John Hussman's research indicates is overvalued, overbought and over bullish.

Hussman sets three definitions for these conditions. The market is overvalued when the peak earnings to price ratio on the S&P 500 is over 18. It is overbought when the S&P 500 is at four year highs and at least 5% higher than 6 months prior, and overbullish is when Investors Intelligence percentage of bullish advisors is over 53%. He coined the term "ovoboby" to describe the period when all three of his criteria are met.

That doesn't seem like terribly strenuous criteria to me, but those three conditions show up together very few times over the past 40 years, roughly 8 times (there were a few times when the conditions showed up within a few weeks of each other).

What happened afterward? The stock market declined, usually quite quickly. You can see the actual periods at http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc070115.htm.

Quoting: "Reviewing the foregoing instances carefully, one of the striking features that emerges is the abruptness of the declines. -10.5% in 30 days, -12.3% in 50 days, -36.1% in 38 days, and so forth. The first several days of decline from a market peak has often erased weeks and sometimes months of prior net gains. It's that tendency for abrupt declines from overvalued, overbought, overbullish conditions that has held us to a defensive position despite market action that otherwise looks "good" and has repeatedly produced marginal new highs.

"Normally, market internals deteriorate in a way that provides more time to establish a defensive position - market breadth lags, divergences develop across various industries and security types, price/volume action shows signs of distribution and so forth.

"The overvalued, overbought, overbullish syndrome may present none of those warnings, particularly when there is even modest upward movement in Treasury yields."

John Mauldin's Frontline Thoughts are free and he is well connected. To subscribe to John Mauldin's E-Letter please click here: http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/subscribe.asp

Exciting and dangerous times lie ahead. All the more reason to look to the Lord for our Hope and Salvation. Psalms 46:3,"God is our refuge and strength. A very present help in trouble." NKJV

We live in very exciting, challenging and dangerous times. The need to keep informed has never been greater. It is my belief that problems provide opportunities for solutions.

Some Bible and Prophecy Scholars believe that the Psalms contains many clues about how God is going to unfold His judgment against the world and deal with Israel in the end times. The theory is that each Psalm is related to a year. Psalm 48 related to the Jews going back to Israel. Psalm 93 related to the floods in the Midwest, etc. The year 2006, as represented by Psalm 106, ended Book 4 of the Psalms differently than Book 1, 2 or 3, and 2007 starts Book 5. Is 2007 the start of a new dispensation? You might want to read and reflect upon Psalm 107 many times in the days and weeks ahead as we see this year unfold.

A thought I had during communion two week's ago. Even though we are all unique creations with different abilities, gifts, and talents, we all have access to the same God and Holy Spirit, who made us. Therefore, all of us have opportunities to be used of God in His service. We can all be a blessing to God and others if we want to be. Attitude…a secret to a joyful life!

Bill at C&S Grain Market Consulting

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   16:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: innieway (#0)

The accord limits tortilla prices to 8.50 pesos ($0.78) per kilogram and threatens to use existing laws to achieve prison sentences of up to 10 years for officials found hoarding corn.

Some stores have been selling tortillas for as much as 10 pesos ($0.91) per kilogram.

Oh, so instead of SOME poor people not being able to buy them, now NO ONE will be able to buy them, as the price cap will soon be equal to or less than the wholesale cost.

Black-market burritos anybody? Maybe we can smuggle our corn in and balance out the "smuggling trade deficit".

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   17:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lodwick (#6)

Here's the newsletter that I mentioned earlier -

Do you pay money for that? He hops subjects faster than a Dr. Bronner's soap carton.

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   17:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Indrid Cold (#8)

No, there's more than his weekly thoughts and wrap-up, but I've not seen enough grain owners/investors here to put up any of the grain charts...for nine bones a month, it's worth it to me.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   18:03:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: lodwick (#9)

but I've not seen enough grain owners/investors here to put up any of the grain charts...

Well I trade a little grain, but I avoid experts.

Anyway the big gainer for this spring is gonna be Lumber. Corn's too high to trade right now.

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   18:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Indrid Cold (#10)

Tacos taste best with shell heated to 130 or so then filled with taco stuff!

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   18:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Indrid Cold, lodwick (#10)

Well I trade a little grain,

Just shut up about the buckwheat festival, I'm working on it.

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   18:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Indrid Cold, Dakmar, all (#10)

Well I trade a little grain, but I avoid experts.

I don't do any trading, except FRN's for AU delivered, and the grain is just hopefully sold at the highest price possible - it's sitting in the bins, waiting.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   18:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lodwick (#13)

I'm high as a kite, and glad I had pancakes for breakfast.

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   18:46:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lodwick (#6)

tortilla crisis

They got some hungry women there, and they really make a mess out of you.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-01-20   18:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Indrid Cold (#7)

Oh, so instead of SOME poor people not being able to buy them, now NO ONE will be able to buy them, as the price cap will soon be equal to or less than the wholesale cost.

It is the poor people in the cities that will suffer. The poor people in the country will actually gain by this crisis, as these people raise their own corn, grind it themselves and live on what they raise, selling a little for cash.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   19:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ladybug (#16)

The poor people in the country will actually gain by this crisis, as these people raise their own corn, grind it themselves and live on what they raise, selling a little for cash.

I would say that being forced to sell crops on the black market is not exactly a benefit, but this is Mexico we're talking about.

Viva la mordida!

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   19:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Indrid Cold (#17)

I would say that being forced to sell crops on the black market is not exactly a benefit, but this is Mexico we're talking about.

The "black market" is the only true free market left in this world. But with these poor subsistence farmers, it is not that they are selling to the black market, they can sell on the open market and make better profits than ever. Their cost of raising and grinding is corn is nil, as they do all of the work themselves, and do not have to pay for labor or energy to come up with a final product.

This "crisis" will only give Mexicans economic encouragement do to what I have been telling Americans they need to do out of self defense - Grow their OWN FOOD as much as possible.

This is healthier for both your wallet and your body. Whenever you can you gorw a little extra to sell as well.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-20   19:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dakmar (#14)

...glad I had pancakes for breakfast.

We had breakfast tacos - hoping to drive the corn prices higher (I say in retrospect.)

Cheers.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   19:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lodwick (#19)

We had breakfast tacos - hoping to drive the corn prices higher (I say in retrospect.)

LOL! Back when I was trading canola, that's all we bought for cooking oil!

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   19:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Indrid Cold. cornbread lovers here (#20)

Back when I was trading canola, that's all we bought for cooking oil!

Every little bit helps, imo.

This stuff is almost like cake - http://www.asskickin.com - pricey, but you're worth it.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   19:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lodwick (#19)

When it comes to extruded corn products, count me in.

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   19:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lodwick, Dakmar (#21)

I once earned the eternal disrespect of a French coworker by expressing my true feelings about cornbread. ;P We were watching a gourmet cook on the telly and after the 30th ingredient was added I simply said, "I'd just as soon have a piece of cornbread". The slight sneer that followed was unmistakable.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-20   19:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dakmar (#22)

My bro turned me on to the asskickin line of products - you've never had cornbread like theirs - I'm trying to backward engineer the stuff, to limited success, so far.

To paraphrase Wood Allen, "the worst cornbread I've ever had, was wonderful."

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   19:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Indrid Cold (#10)

Anyway the big gainer for this spring is gonna be Lumber.

Expecting residential construction to take off in 2007?

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-01-20   19:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin (#23)

I'm glad I get along with the foreigners I'm forced to work alongside.

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   20:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lodwick (#24)

I'll bet $2.00 you just need to mix the flour in a little slower.

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   20:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lodwick (#24)

MEXICAN CORN BREAD

1 1/2 cups cornmeal
2 eggs
1 cup sharp cheese, grated
1/4 tsp. baking soda - add to buttermilk
1 cup buttermilk.
3 tbsp. oil
1/2 tsp. salt
1 can cream style corn
1 4oz. can chopped green chile or 5 fresh green chile, roasted, peeled and seeded
2 tsp. baking powder
Optional: chopped green bell pepper, pimentos, crumbled bacon, garlic salt

Combine ingredients and pour into a well greased, hot, 9 x 13 pan. Bake 25 to 30 minutes in a 400o oven.

Maybe the secret is in the type of green chile.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-20   20:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Dakmar (#26)

I could be in the UN. I'm not, but I'm just sayin'.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-20   20:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: robin (#29)

Get enough people and anything could happen. Prolly wont, though, if you got too many people.

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   20:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: robin (#23)

I once earned the eternal disrespect of a French coworker by expressing my true feelings about cornbread. ;P We were watching a gourmet cook on the telly and after the 30th ingredient was added I simply said, "I'd just as soon have a piece of cornbread". The slight sneer that followed was unmistakable.

Corn is somewhat stigmatized in Europe as not fit for human consumption and only good for farm animals. After WWI the US sent over cargo ships full of corn as food aid to France. The US got back a nasty letter asking why in the hell they were trying to pass animal feed off as food.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-20   20:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#31) (Edited)

That is so true. A Hungarian coworker once told me the corn we sent them they fed to the pigs.

I knew this, and enjoyed messing with this arrogant Parisian.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-20   20:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: robin, Brian S (#32)

U.S.-India Relations Grow Closer on Back of Landmark Nuclear Accord - JINSA

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-20   20:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Indrid Cold (#7)

Oh, so instead of SOME poor people not being able to buy them, now NO ONE will be able to buy them, as the price cap will soon be equal to or less than the wholesale cost.

Good catch, comrade. That economic move is straight out of the USSR. I had a Russian teacher who looked fondly back on the communist era because to please the masses the government would annouce across the board price reductions for everything from food, to TVs, to cars. Of course, she was highly educated and her parents party members so they got first picks. She never had to stand in line for 6 hours to buy a 1/2 pound of moldy strawberries.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-20   20:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: robin (#28)

Maybe the secret is in the type of green chile.

Sounds like a fine receipe to me.

The asskickin folks put a packet of powdered habanero in with their mix, for those who truly wish to light up their lives.

Too much for my remaining taste buds.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   20:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#31)

After WWI the US sent over cargo ships full of corn as food aid to France. The US got back a nasty letter asking why in the hell they were trying to pass animal feed off as food.

Yet they eat horses.

Just sayin'.

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   20:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lodwick (#35)

That one is from their website.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-20   20:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#34)

Good catch, comrade. That economic move is straight out of the USSR.

Last summer (I think), Hawaii instituted price controls on gas. I don't recall hearing any followup, though of course the island would have been out of gas had the price continued to rise, as nobody's going to sell gas at a loss.

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   20:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: DeaconBenjamin (#25)

Expecting residential construction to take off in 2007?

You know I don't base my trades on fundamentals. It's just so darn cheap right now.

But one good hurricane will take it to the moon.

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-01-20   20:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: robin (#37)

That one is from their website.

Ooops - thanks...so far, all I've done is order the stuff.

I going to find my mother's cornbread stuffing receipe, which she always baked in Pyrex, and see about modifying that a little bit.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-01-20   20:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Indrid Cold (#38)

HONOLULU (May 6 [2006]) - Gas prices keep going up everywhere, and Hawaii's unique attempt to control them is running on fumes.

The isolated island state whose drivers consistently pay the highest pump prices in the nation has given up on its government-regulated price controls after an eight-month experiment.

With the average price for regular in Hawaii rising above $3.38 per gallon Friday, Gov. Linda Lingle signed into law a suspension of the cap that sought to keep the oil companies in check and give a fair price to customers.

Bad timing with rising oil prices, outrage among island motorists, industry lobbying and public pressure in an election year combined to scuttle the nation's only state attempt to cap the cost of fuel.

"In a lot of people's minds, they thought the gas cap wasn't working," said Sen. Paul Whalen, a strong supporter of the law. "It was hard to generate lots of support for it because ... we're paying more than we ever were before."

Hawaii first imposed weekly limits on wholesale gas prices Sept. 1 based on the average of prices in Los Angeles, New York and the Gulf Coast. Then allowances were added for what it costs wholesalers to ship to Hawaii and distribute gas to more remote islands.

Price caps differed for each island. There was no cap on the markup added by gas stations.

Some opponents argued that the state's limit on gas prices actually helped the oil companies boost profits because they knew they could charge up to the maximum allowed.

Another problem was that it was hard to tell whether the law did any good.

"It's ridiculous. Prices jumped up 20 cents in the last couple of days," said Calvin Reddick, who paid $15 for just over four gallons of gas for his Volkswagon Beetle. "Usually when you have a cap, it's supposed to freeze prices off. Obviously, their idea of a cap is different from mine."

Because the oil refiners keep their profit margins and costs private, it was difficult for even experts to determine whether residents were paying more or less than they would without the gas cap.

One study by an economics professor showed the gas cap cost consumers 5 cents more per gallon.

An analysis by the state Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism estimated that island motorists paid $54.9 million more than they otherwise would have in the first five months under the cap.

But research by cap supporter Rep. Marcus Oshiro indicated the limits saved drivers $33 million.

"It was a failure, and other experts that have looked at it have said the same thing," said Anita Mangels, a spokeswoman for the Western States Petroleum Association, which represents ChevronTexaco and Shell Oil. "It was well-intended, but apparently according to the state's own agency has not served consumers well."

With customer unrest mounting and aggressive oil company lobbying, lawmakers felt they had to do something before the November election and before prices went up further.

Rather than forcing down gas prices with a lower price ceiling, the state's mostly Democratic Legislature suspended the cap and gave Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, who had opposed any regulation of gas prices, the power to bring it back if she decides fuel has gotten too expensive.

That way, legislators passed on responsibility for any price control to the governor.

"Going into an election year, they weren't willing to support gas pricing regulations, given the concerns of many people in the public, and I think the oil companies did a good job of blaming the pricing regulations for the high prices," said Sen. Ron Menor, chief advocate of the gas cap.

At the same time, the law provides for computation of a hypothetical gas cap using a new formula expected to be about 16 cents a gallon lower than the current one. The revised calculation will include prices from low-cost Singapore, and it will disqualify the highest-priced market from the average of the four regions.

"It will remain as a flashing sign that will remind Hawaii's consumers what the price would have been under the gas cap," said Scott Foster, a spokesman for Hawaii Advocates for Consumer Rights. "The more information we get, the more we can understand about how the industry has been gouging us."

Other parts of the law lifting the controls require the oil companies to make their wholesale pricing information public so that customers could compare pump prices with actual costs. Currently, that information is kept confidential by the companies.

"We understand that people desire to know what the situation is," said Albert Chee, a spokesman for Chevron. "No one can claim exactly what the effect has been. I don't know if following of mainland prices has better served our customers."

Even though the gas cap has been suspended, it isn't going away.

Lawmakers said it has inspired interest from other states that want to try to hold down soaring gas prices.

"We're going to be talking about gas prices for a long time. The president is looking into it, Congress is looking into it," said Sen. Will Espero, a steady backer of regulating the oil industry. "This issue is a complicated and complex matter that doesn't have an easy, simple solution."

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-01-20   22:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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