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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
Author: me
Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 308

Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

Those who use biblical prophecy especially those that insert 'Ezekiel' into their forum responses to explain today's events need to be stoned with big rocks.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-23   9:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

With what they say is going to happen to everyone else, you're letting them off easy.

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:43:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

YES! And don't forget a book burning (please include all the versions they squabble over)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   9:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm tired of their petty squabbles, but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

What I think would be even worse is the knowledge that their ashes would be buried with a Koran.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

Well, with these head cases it all depends on *which* bible is burnt. Apparently there are different versions and only THEY know the one which is real. As I said, they exhibit overt mental illness.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   10:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   10:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

To: Jethro Tull You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

The Catholics you describe are more the exception than the mainstream, unless the church has turned into some kind of holy roller hang out since I was last there as a "regular."

I'm not sure what state you live in - if it's a Southern state maybe the Catholics got infected with the Bible Belt disease or something - but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

As for priests molesters - that was very ugly - but the percentage of priests who molested was similar to other church's clerics or so I've read - what was bad was the Catholic church tried to cover it up. Also the priest molestation thingie was primarily isolated to American Catholic churches for some peculiar reason.

As for money grubbing priests - the Catholic church is no different from other religions and certainly no worse than most.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   11:57:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

I'm in the same boat as you, scrapper. What got me started on this rant is the outright hatred some otherwise kindred spirits have toward anything Catholic. The Catholics I know would stand with us on most issues, while never discussing religion. Who and what people choose to hold close is their business. IMHO, some people in this community of ours place religion and obscure conspiracies over the current events that are actively altering our culture and country. They divide rather than unify, and I find it impossible to keep quiet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:33:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick.

The Catholic leadership in S. California - Cardinal Mahoney - has been getting lots of publicity lately - pleading the case for Hispanic illegals - no secret why - Hispanics are Catholics. Also most Catholics I know are Democrats - and the Democrat Party itself is big on illegals - future Democrat voters, but not because Catholics exert any power within the Party - rather because of the party's self-serving reasons.

Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   15:12:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational).

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational).

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.

The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

I rarely get involved in immigration debates and when I do my position has been fairly consistent and straight forward. I feel that immigration should be primarily skills-based and not family reunification as it is now. I'm not anti- immigration because of cultural considerations although with the current stress on multiculturalism as opposed to melting pot assimilation, culture has become ghettoizing and divisive to our society. If I appear to be not thrilled with unbridled daisy chain Third World immigration, it's because those immigrants rarely have the skills our nation needs with the exception being immigrants from India or Iran who are generally well educated coming into America or are at the very least highly motivated and educatable so as to excel in professional training.

I am opposed to illegal immigration because it breaks our laws on the books that legal immigrants have respected and queued for for many years in some cases. Illegal immigration also brings in the mix an assortment of societal ills including drugs and disease.

So how can my position be construed to be anti-immigration, close the borders mindset? In fact, some posters have accused me of being too acquiescent to the guest worker plan being a fact of life - which I still think is the case especially after yesterday's state of the union's mess speech.

As for religion's involvement in illegal immigration, I was merely responding to comments made by other posters - of course religios groups are not the only enablers of illegal immigration. I did not say that.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   15:46:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized.

If the USA was still a manufacturing country where immigrants melded together on assembly lines shoulder to shoulder so they could not communicate much in their native tongues because immigration was coming from everywhere and thus were forced to learn English and adopt American ways then I would be for open borders. The manufacturing sector was also a way for a poor illiterate person to be able to earn a livable wage right off the boat. The manufacturing sector was the reason the USA was able to meld all those people into new Americans.

Since we are now a service economy that means immigrants of low education can only get lowly jobs and get ghettoized easier and remain in the ghettos longer. You can't easily climb your way out doing odd jobs for slave wages.

My position on being pro closed borders is complicated - not easily digestible and thus not processed. All you hear are rednecks screaming about not being able to hear English being spoken at dollar stores anymore.

Poor ignorant suckers.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:57:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

scrapper: The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

Destro: Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized.

I still don't understand why you are directing your self-righteous post at me.

I have never used the word "wetback" in my entire life.

I suggest you re-read this thread and get a handle on the poster associated with that derogatory term and direct your future tirades to that person. Thank you very much..

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:04:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

regardless - I used my replay to you to elaborate so it all worked out in the end.

You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   16:06:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

regardless - I used my replay to you to elaborate so it all worked out in the end.

You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility.

You are rude and you are wrong in your nonsensical tirade at me for no reason.

I have always been consistent in my position that immigration should be skills based and my position is no different than your economics schpeel. It's not like either of us are geniuses for seeing the obvious and that's why poll after poll shows that our current immigration policy - placing family reunification as a priority - is broken and why Americans by a significant margin are pissed with our nation's immigration policy directions today both legal and illegal.

Nothing you just did or said to me on this thread "worked." You accused me falsely and you don't even have the courtesy to apologize for your error. What you "need to work on" are your facts, your honesty, and your manners.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:16:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are rude and you are wrong in your nonsensical tirade at me for no reason.

My tirades are never nonsensical though I agree I may have been rude.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   16:18:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My tirades are never nonsensical though I agree I may have been rude.

The fact that you directed your accusatory tirade at the wrong person ( ie. me) without apologizing for your mistake would qualify as both a GIANT rude and GIANT nonsensical action.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:26:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Apologize for what?

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   16:42:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Apologize for what?

For your rude and mistaken identity posts #63 and #68 which you directed at me.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally

This is what you invoke when you use that language:

G rover Cleveland was elected president in 1884 in one of the dirtiest election campaigns in our history........That morning, he made an appearance in New York City at a meeting of several hundred pro-Blaine Protestant clergymen. Reverend Samuel D. Burchard delivered a warm welcoming address which ended with the words: "We are Republicans, and don't propose to leave our party and identify ourselves with the party whose antecedents have been Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion." Blaine somehow missed the bigoted phrase, and did nothing to deny or repudiate it when he got up to speak. A reporter assigned by the Democrats to cover the meeting eagerly reported the mistake to the Democratic headquarters. When asked if Blaine "met this remark?" the reporter replied that Blaine had made no reference to it. The Democrats then spread the quote all over New York City and elsewhere. By the time Blaine finally got around to disavowing the remarks, it was too late. He lost thousands of votes among the Irish-American voters in the city.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   19:05:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

scrapper2: Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally

destro: This is what you invoke when you use that language:

You are either a. delusionary or b. unable to comprehend the English language or c. your ego is so grand that you cannot admit to a mistake. What's your point or rather what's your problem, Destro?

Please use someone else for your moralizing didactic parable. You are barking up the wrong tree with me if you think I'm going to tolerate your nonsensical comments that are totally inapplicable to me, except in your short-circuited brain.

a. I am a Catholic so like the so-called "self-loathing Jew", I have upclose experience with Catholicism and Catholics to "have the right and the knowledge" to comment on the foibles and/or pluses of the Catholic religion and its adherents. I can generalize and stereotype as much as I want because I've been there and done the walk. In fact, I still do the walk but not as regularly as my family would like.

b. My response, which you quoted out of context, was to a poster who claimed that Catholics were the main enablers of illegal immigration. My rebuttal was that most religions (apart from evangelicals) were pro immigrants and Catholics were no exception - the tenets of most religions involve looking after and looking out for the disenfranchised, the poor, the underdogs looking for a better life - all God's creatures and all that good stuff. I added that in the case of Hispanic illegals, the Catholic leadership might be more vociferous than other religious leaders because Hispanics were Catholics. Duh.

c. Catholics generally are Democrats - it's a fact of life - most Catholics were Johnny Come Later immigrants and considered second class by the WASP establishment in America until recently when Kennedy made it to the Oval Office and he did it on the Democrat ticket.

To this day the Democrat Party promotes itself as one that looks out for minorities, the immigrant and Catholicism is big on that mindset. Statistically you'd probably find more Catholics identifying themselves as Democrats no matter what their economic status like the Jews do. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but generally what I say is true.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   22:38:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics generally are Democrats

"We are Republicans, and don't propose to leave our party and identify ourselves with the party whose antecedents have been Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion." - Protestant clergymen Reverend Samuel D. Burchard describing the menace of Irish Catholic immigration - 1884 presidential race - Republicans lost.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   22:56:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Right, you're supporting Scrappers point. I agree with her. Many of the post Vatican II Catholics I know are socailly liberal Ds. Some vote R (my family) but they're liberal in countless other ways.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   23:01:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Right, you're supporting Scrappers point

hardly.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   23:08:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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