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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
Author: me
Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.
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#142. To: Destro (#140)
You missed the point, Plato. Why am I not surprised?
yeah, yeah. fireproofing or not, you're still too arrogant to admit that was a stupid and erroneous simile.
Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal. That is sad.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
99% of us do. There's only a small handfull that think being highly educated relates to having common sense.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
I don't have my head stuck in tomes of literature, so my arguments are called simplistic. I don't need Locke to tell me GENOCIDE IS BAD! The simple answer is the right one. Displacing a people against their will by flooding their lands with competing groups qualifies as a constructive section C genocide under Article 1 and 2 of the Genocide Convention of 1948. We have a term for you here in the states, Respectable Conservative. -Blackeagle
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
Kos is okay; but there are a lot of PC police there, and you won't find many here. It is true that lots of folks here think "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" are bad words, but I think they are more than balanced by folks like leveller, Ferret Mike, Burkeman and Aristeides, who "get it". As for the "liberal" or "conservative" thing, why pin yourself down? Conservatives used to be against foreign interventions, then they were for it, and now they are coming back to being against it. Why not just be non-interventionist and don't worry about who is doing the intervening? Liberals used to be for big government and spending like mad, until they saw what a big government looked like when run by a bunch of nazi thugs and they watched a budget paper surplus turn into the biggest deficit in our nation's history; now they're for smaller government, less spending and fiscal responsibility. Conservatives used to stand for that stuff until they got into power, then suddenly they were all for out of control spending and fiscal irresponsibility. It's getting hard to tell the conservatives from the liberals when the liberals are complaining about the conservatives' budget recklessness. I would suggest to you that conservative and liberal have no real meaning anymore, unless you adopt the dictionary definitions; which then will draw you a bunch of fire from people who cling to the labels as indicative of political party in some way.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Conservatives like me oppose foreign intervention, big government, increased spending and lack of fiscal responsibility unless the GOP is doing it.
"I gave myself a Hummer. (chuckle)"
I agree - that is a problem with the left - PC.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Jim Webb lost any credibility he might have had once he was selected by the elite. Honest elections are a Jeffersonian-thought lost to history.
"Heat resistant" is a tricky term. Steel is NOT heat resistant, per se. Since steel is a good conductor it will absorb heat... BUT, it is also capable of absorbing a certain amount of heat without weakening any substantial amount. In the case of structural steel, this point is 540° C, which relates to 1004° F. Steel expands when heated, and once enough energy has been absorbed, it softens and loses its structural integrity. This is easily prevented through the use of fireproofing, which prevents the steel from absorbing enough energy to reach this temperature. Was the structural steel used in the Trade Center buildings NOT fireproofed? Admittedly, there was no doubt some damage to the fireproofing of some of the structural steel caused by the impact itself, however this damage would have been limited to the area of the impact. So what happened to the fireproofing throughout the rest of the buildings unaffected by the impact? Not to mention that there is no way on earth that fires were rampant throughout the entire structures from the ground all the way to the impact zone, thus resulting in ZERO compromise of the steel in those areas (which is far more area then the "compromised" areas). A514 is primarily used as a structural steel for building construction. The tensile yield strength of A514 alloys is specified as at least 100 ksi (690 MPa) for thicknesses up to 2.5 inch (64 mm) thick plate, and at least 110 ksi (760 MPa) ultimate tensile strength, with a specified ultimate range of 110–130 ksi (760–900 MPa). Plates from 2.5 to 6.0 inches (64 to 152 mm) thick have specified strength of 90 ksi (620 MPa) (yield) and 110–130 ksi (760–900 MPa) (ultimate). Engineers in North America usually use units of ksi which is a thousand psi, thus we're talking about steel with a base tensile strength of between 90,000 psi and 130,000 psi depending on thickness. Tensile strength is measured as a "pulling force", NOT a "compressing force". Imagine what kind of strength this steel has in resistance to compression!!! A "real world" example is that a 200 lb man can stand on an empty beer can (which is made from aluminum with very low tensile strength compared to A514, not to mention very thin aluminum at that) without crushing it. Now Mr "I'm a base of knowledge and common sense, and the 'official story of the collapses is plausible'" - tell me what force would be more in play upon the vertical steel in the collapse of the buildings, would it be "compression" or would it be "pulling"??? If it were "pulling" they would have fell upwards against gravity and into the sky. BUT I don't give a damn what forces are present, any integrity whatsoever in the vertical columns would present resistance to the effects of gravity in the collapses, and thus make it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the collapses to happen all the way to the ground at freefall speed!!!!! Thus by necessity, structural integrity had to be eliminated all the way to the ground for these collapses to happen in the time frame they happened! Perhaps it would behoove you to take some physics classes and study Newton's laws of motion and inertia. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - when it comes to common sense, Rudyard Kipling had it right when he penned: Getting on this forum and spouting that the majority of posters here are incapable of rational thought (which begins with common sense) is truly the pot calling the kettle black. Remember the old saying "The guilty dog barks first."???
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
The steel to the Freedom tower is by my firm - I work with the world's leading metallurgists - they agree with the offical conclusions that the fire and impact damage to the steel beams caused the failure. They are also French citizens and have no love for Bush's America so they are not biased pro- Bushies.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I think I realized the problem I am having with this forum. This forum is not a place where you go to get info hashed out and get a call to action going. This is a gripe fest - a place to vent only. It is a crank session by cranky people. Daily Kos at least despite the political deviations I have with that forum does have a call to action and a place to hash opinions for the purposes of informing. So I guess I will be looking for a place where traditionalists like myself can go. By the way - I was never enamored with what the Democratic party became - they were taken hostage by some annoying leftists groups the last generation. If the Democrats become more like Senator Jim Webb then I will accept their candidates. I just resigned from the GOP and became a registered independent. The only contact I have had with the rank and file of the GOP have been in forums - I don't discuss politics in my personal life much - and to be honest I have found the current crop of forum dwelling GOP conservatives to be disturbing nuts. I only populated the forums as an attempt to advocate for the Serbian people against America's illegal war on them. I think I did some good work in supporting the Serbian people and getting the truth out on Freerepublic. But I don't have common cause with the Black Helicopter-flouride in our water type of 'conservative'.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
There are probably under 80 regular posters here. How much stimulating cross-discussion do you expect on a forum that could hold all its members in the banquet hall of a Vermont Knights of Columbus?
And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not commenting on it because it was a career politician's response to another politician who was a failure in private life. It's carnival barker noise at the dog and pony show. I've given up on silly things like faith in the Machine righting itself if it only had the right personnel and Constitutions are anything more than mere paper I don't post on Illuminati nonsense much either unless it's to poke fun.
A noble cause. I wish you well in your continued respectability.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions. But a couple of months ago, Webb wasn't a trendy household name as he is today after his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech. Secondly before Webb's rebuttal speech and before you announced you independent registration status to all, there was a discussion thread about possible Presidential candidates and some of us then pointed out that Webb might make a good candidate to run for the Oval Office as an Independent because the Democrats would need to become more centrist to keep him and the GOP would need to lose the neocons and become more paleo dominated as before to attract him back - and some of us (hint: it wasn't you ) - noted that Webb was a rising star to be watched closely. Thirdly, some of the good discussions about Webb's speech got hidden in the SOTU thread. You weren't on that thread as I recall. Fourthly, what exactly have you contributed of note in the way of article postings to stimulate discussion about Webb that you so obviously want? Nada, zero. The last article you contributed to this forum as I recall was something about Israel and Russia in November. Fifthly quit your bitching about illumanati articles and instead of picking up your marbles and walking away, roll up your sleeves and do some research and post some articles that would make for a different more realist take on politics. I'm with you. I am not much for the illuminati articles - they're not my cup of tea - so I don't post on those threads - it doesn't bother me that others do - I do something more concrete, I actually post articles and post to threads I am interested in. Maybe you should do the same - there's room for everybody's political bent on this forum - Christine hardly ever exercises her moderator censorship rights except for vanity threads that are out of control and burying real news articles and discussions. So apply the advice you give to others about "doing concrete things" and start researching and posting articles on subjects you want discussion and opinions on. Here's something that you can take as your own articles about Webb and his qualities to post for further discussion - I was thinking of doing it yesterday but I got called away from home: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=160126 "Webb for President?" Posted 01/24/2007 @ 1:34pm by Ari Berman AND http://www.thenation.com/doc/ 20061023/moser "Virginia's Rumbling Rebels" posted October 8, 2006 (October 23, 2006 issue) By Bob Moser Go for it, Destro, and show us the way. I'd love to post to such a thread and so would others, I'm sure.
If not enough things are being posted from your point of view, then go find them and post them. If you want to see things hashed out, then talk about those things in a courteous and respectful way, and invite comment. No forum is free of idiots, including this one. No forum is free of prejudice, including this one. If you are lucky, you will find one or two kindred souls in a place like this with whom you like to share thoughts and whose opinions you respect. I've been fortunate here because I've encountered highly intelligent people whose opinions matter to me. If your experience has not been such, then you should look for a forum that pleases you. As for the Serbian people and their victimization, you can be assured that you will find a more sympathetic audience here than probably anywhere else. If that's your trick and you are a one trick pony, then this is the place you will feel welcome. If you are a holocaust denier, you will find an open forum here where you can post that silliness and not be laughed right off the screen. That's because christine welcomes pretty much any views and demands only that we treat each other with respect and some fundamental courtesy. On a day to day basis there are days when nobody's posting anything here that grabs my attention. On other days I can't stay away from my keyboard. I'm not generally censored here (like I have been on Kos, DU, and LP); and that is important to me. Sometimes I see crap posted here that deeply offends me. I usually choose not to respond to it. Freedom means sometimes hearing shit that pisses you off. What I can tell you is that reading a really well-written Burkeman or Leveller post is worth a whole day's worth of wading through crap, at least to me. But that's just me. Your experience may vary, and no warranties are made. If you go to a party or a bar, do you expect to like everyone there? At school did you like everyone in your class? Or did you, like most of us, find a few good friends and a few respectful acquaintances, and the rest of the folks there you could hardly give a shit about? Why would you expect a political forum to be any different? The majority of people in the world are vacuous, shallow, and poorly educated. Occasionally you will find someone who is much smarter and more critical. On this site you will find the proportion of smarties to idiots is pretty good; but that doesn't mean there are no idiots. Your post reminds me of my brother in law. He married his high school sweetheart and she was really fantastic. Smart, beautiful, accomodating, kind, seriously a real catch. But his marriage wasn't "perfect" and he wasn't "perfectly happy", so he got a divorce. It was his misfortune to grab the brass ring on his first go round the merry-go-round, so he never understood (until much too late) how good he'd had it. You aren't going to find perfection on any site. But good hunting.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Well. One does have to make allowances for short time preferences.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
Sorry, I don't get what you mean. I try to cut back my coffee consumption as a New Year's resolution and there's the result - intellectual slow down. Would you please clarify your remark? I'm getting another cup of coffee too.
I have the opposite problem. Too little sleep, too much adrenaline. I've got a father-second-time-over fugue on. So no.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
thanks, bluedog. that was very well articulated.
excellent
Daily Kos is mostly democrats, is it not? So the activism they do is partisan. Most of 4um's members have abandoned the two party political system. Further, unlike FR, DU, LP, and most likely Kos, we have no paid posters here. Many of us, however, are activists in our real lives, as far as doing what we can as individuals to wake people up to the corruption and tyranny of this government. That's our passion.
Daily Kos is more research based.. I visit there and lefty is an understatement.. the site is run by a democrat and it's focus is getting democrats elected.. it's a great resource but.. as all forums it has it's focus.. Now when you say people here are unsophiscated in their analysis.. I'd beg to differ.. Ive known many of these posters for many years.. some personally some online.. and many are quite sophisticated in their understanding of issues etc.. it's easy to say 'others' arent up to your standards .. this forum is one of the few left that is totally free speech.. with very little moderation..and chris and I created this forum with that purpose in mind.. If you want more analysis have at it.. many people would chime in I'm sure.. make this forum what you want it to be.. with threads or posts that you've researched etc.. and see how it developes.. chris and I dont 'drive' this bus so to speak, it's up to the posters..
Jim Webb is hardly a career politician.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I was on Liberty Post defending Webb - after they used his writing about an actual South East Asian custom of affection to boys(the so called pedophile oral incident in Webb's book) to try and swift boat him - shocking to the ignorant GOP Freeper Bush bots that such customs exist even though in the Old Testament we have such similar examples (swearing of oaths by touching your father's inner thigh) In fact the word 'testify' comes from testicles - in Rome you swore an oath cupping your testes. But even now I read Freepers calling Webb a pervert. How can I belong to such a movement of unthinking dolts? I thought this forum would be a better fit than libertypost but no such luck. I will go back to Libertyforum I guess.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I must have posted THOUSANDS of articles online just under the name of Destro - be it on Freerepublic - LibertyForum - Libertypost though not much on freedum4um. Google Destro and any of the above forums.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I thought this forum would be a better fit than libertypost but no such luck. I will go back to Libertyforum I guess. What does your defense of Webb on Liberty Post have to do with your baseless criticism of nothing of substance ever appearing on THIS FORUM about Webb? I just presented you with several examples of when Webb was discussed on a couple of threads recently on THIS FORUM and also when his "star power" was pointed out on THIS FORUM even when he wasn't a senator yet. I even gave you on a platter a good October/06 article from The Nation ( which you did not bother to read)that analyzes some strengths and weaknesses of Webb that could be posted right here and now which would get the pot stirred if you truly were interested in hearing different opinions/takes on Webb. After all of our efforts, you basically ignore everything we've pointed out and say - feh, I'm jumping to libertyforum anyways. Nice - it sounds like you made up your mind long before you started this grousing nothing's good here sub-thread. Too bad bluedogtxn and christine and Zipporah and I expended time and energy on taking your concerns seriously. It's obvious that you could care less what we offered as possible remedies to make you feel more at ease here or/and intellectually stimulated. Bon chance at libertyforum. I hope it offers you the political discussion nirvana world you think exists in cyberland.
Google Destro and any of the above forums. Whatever. How does that activity elsewhere relate to this forum? I checked what articles you posted here for the past month more closely and there were about 12 in the past 30 days and I don't recall seeing anything about Webb - maybe I missed it. I admit I was wrong to claim you hadn't posted since November - but on the otherhand I don't see any busy worker bee ethic on your part to support your grumbling that there's no discussion about Webb or anything intellectual that isn't illuminati related or that you don't fit in - it's not like your articles have been ignored - you just don't post that many here to come to that conclusion, frankly. But go to libertyforum if that's where you want to spend of your time. I could care less what you do. I just don't think it's fair of you to make broad brush stroke damning statements about this forum.
We never talked about helicopters all that much. Look, Destro, it's all recorded in the machine.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
i agree. just go. in my opinion, it was mr. arrogant's intent to demoralize us.
Because if the fireproofing isn't sprayed on (a chemical retardant mixed with ground up PAPER) then if a main load bearing beam is compromised even in the slightest, the building will have to be razed. It's impossible to replace critical members in finished structures and even an isolated fire could result in a loss of tensile strength. Even if the beam is strong enough to support the load but it falls below design specs then the structure must come down. So, the fireproofing protects the beam and at a glance shows the inspectors that the temps reached were never critical and the integrity of the beam is not in question. I'm a former steel mill electrician and neither the mill nor the iron workers/erectors have anything to do with the fireproofing, so, working in steel doesn't make you an expert. In fact, your assertion that it somehow qualifies you proves that you're a 2nd rate bullshitter.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
Couldn't help but laugh at this line, JT..........its rather hard to find your conclusion meritorious when one realizes you were known as Mr. Spam in another lifetime.....LOL.
Both the Spam issue and the good book are fiction, dee. Neither happened.
Other than a comment to JT, I wasn't going to post any comments. However.... Earlier up the thread, you mentioned Serbia. FWIW, I was one at TOS1 at the time we were bombing the hell out of Serbia/Yugoslavia in '99 who was contacting the legislature in an attempt to get the BS stopped. Was also working with a group who was trying to find the real reason for this horrorific action on our part. But mainly, I want to say, here you are talking down this forum, as though virtually everyone is beneath you........and then when you're shown to be wrong about the inattention to Mr. Webb, you come up with the excuse you were somewhere else defending his literary works. So, you really have no idea what has transpired on this forum regarding Webb--but that doesn't prevent you from making your foolish statement. Now, rather than even a feeble attempt to apologize for your misunderstanding or not understanding what has occurred here, you'd apparently rather tuck tail and run to the next forum, i.e., KOS. This, of course, after your obvious misquoting scraper, and refusing to straighten out that misunderstanding. Having been on TOS1, you should well then know the old saying about the door and all that jazz, right? You need to dismount from your exceedingly tall horse and develop some communication skills--relax and have some discussions based on what you want the forum to focus on. Different strokes for different folks was a lesson I brought with me thru life from a Leadership and Motivation Seminar I attended.
I didnt know that.....about the fireproofing stuff! I knew about the bullshitter, though.
Yeah..........uh huh..........right.
I don't have anything against Webb, but when it comes to candidates for Pres - Ron Paul is hard to beat. Paul has been the ONLY true voice of reason in congress for many years. He has consistently voted in favor of "Joe Six Pack", has repeatedly called for an audit of America's gold holdings, has repeatedly called for a return of our currency to a gold standard, and is thoroughly aware of the many huge government frauds like the income tax (he was interviewed in Freedom to Fascism on the matter). He was one of only 6(!) to vote "Nay" on the invasion of Iraq. He knows how government has usurped the Constitution, and feels those wrongs need to be "undone" and return to abiding by the Constitution. He is against the Patriot Act, the North American Union, and the Military Commissions Act. I think we'd be hard pressed to do any better.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
I agree with you that Dr. Ron Paul is a quality candidate. But I think he's too old to be attractive to most Americans. And I suspect he's burned too many bridges within the GOP. Sadly I think Americans are really stuck on youth and image. I think Jim Webb has that Kennedy all American look - he'd be easier to package and sell and he has not been in office or in gov't too long to have burned bridges. Although Webb is known as a bit of a hothead so he might burn bridges in short order too.
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#143. To: Destro (#139)
#144. To: christine (#143)
#145. To: Jethro Tull (#142)
#146. To: Destro (#101)
Does anyone here use reason?
#147. To: Destro (#133)
But the reasons stated here are for limits because the Mexicans are wetbacks and so on - not based on rational reasoned concerns. This does not mean I am better than you or smarter - far from it - but I don't understand why what I am thinking seems complex to some or that they have not thought of this themsleves - I keep reading talk radio talking points a lot on here over independent thinking.
#148. To: Destro (#131)
am disappointed in this forum - I think DailyKos is a great forum but they are more lefty and I am more a traditionalist conservative.
#149. To: bluedogtxn (#148)
#150. To: bluedogtxn (#148)
Kos is okay; but there are a lot of PC police there
#151. To: Destro (#145)
Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal
#152. To: Destro (#144)
Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?
"Common sense is very uncommon. Common sense is in spite of, not as a result of education. Common sense is instinct, and enough is genius. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he need more of it than he already has. Common sense is the knack of seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done."
#153. To: innieway (#152)
#154. To: bluedogtxn (#148)
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#155. To: Destro (#145)
Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal. That is sad.
#156. To: SmokinOPs (#155)
There are probably under 80 regular posters here.
#157. To: Destro (#156)
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And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
#158. To: Destro (#154)
I only populated the forums as an attempt to advocate for the Serbian people against America's illegal war on them.
#159. To: Destro, christine, robin, Jethro Tull, bluedogtxn, aristeides, Burkeman1, Brian S, swarthy guy, angle, randge, SmokinOPs, HOUNDDAWG, tauzero, tom007, Fred Mertz (#156)
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And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
#160. To: Destro, christine, all (#154)
I think I realized the problem I am having with this forum.
#161. To: scrapper2 (#159)
#162. To: Tauzero (#161)
Well. One does have to make allowances for short time preferences.
#163. To: scrapper2 (#162)
#164. To: bluedogtxn (#160)
#165. To: scrapper2 (#159)
#166. To: Destro (#154)
#167. To: Destro (#131)
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#168. To: SmokinOPs (#157)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not commenting on it because it was a career politician's response to another politician who was a failure in private life.
#169. To: scrapper2 (#159)
Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions.
#170. To: scrapper2, bluedogtxn (#159)
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Fifthly quit your bitching about illumanati articles and instead of picking up your marbles and walking away, roll up your sleeves and do some research and post some articles that would make for a different more realist take on politics. I'm with you. I am not much for the illuminati articles - they're not my cup of tea - so I don't post on those threads - it doesn't bother me that others do - I do something more concrete, I actually post articles and post to threads I am interested in. Maybe you should do the same
#171. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, christine, Zipporah (#169)
I was on Liberty Post defending Webb. But even now I read Freepers calling Webb a pervert. How can I belong to such a movement of unthinking dolts?
#172. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, christine, Zipporah (#170)
must have posted THOUSANDS of articles online just under the name of Destro - be it on Freerepublic - LibertyForum - Libertypost though not much on freedum4um.
#173. To: scrapper2, Destro (#172)
#174. To: scrapper2, Destro (#172)
I just don't think it's fair of you to make broad brush stroke damning statements about this forum.
#175. To: Destro, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull (#144)
Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Their obsessive study of what I consider a book of fiction could rightfully be considered a mental disorder.
#177. To: rowdee (#176)
#178. To: Destro (#169)
#179. To: HOUNDDAWG (#175)
#180. To: Jethro Tull (#177)
#181. To: scrapper2 (#159)
But a couple of months ago, Webb wasn't a trendy household name as he is today after his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech.
#182. To: innieway (#181)
I don't have anything against Webb, but when it comes to candidates for Pres - Ron Paul is hard to beat.
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