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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.
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#157. To: Destro (#156)
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not commenting on it because it was a career politician's response to another politician who was a failure in private life. It's carnival barker noise at the dog and pony show. I've given up on silly things like faith in the Machine righting itself if it only had the right personnel and Constitutions are anything more than mere paper I don't post on Illuminati nonsense much either unless it's to poke fun.
A noble cause. I wish you well in your continued respectability.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions. But a couple of months ago, Webb wasn't a trendy household name as he is today after his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech. Secondly before Webb's rebuttal speech and before you announced you independent registration status to all, there was a discussion thread about possible Presidential candidates and some of us then pointed out that Webb might make a good candidate to run for the Oval Office as an Independent because the Democrats would need to become more centrist to keep him and the GOP would need to lose the neocons and become more paleo dominated as before to attract him back - and some of us (hint: it wasn't you ) - noted that Webb was a rising star to be watched closely. Thirdly, some of the good discussions about Webb's speech got hidden in the SOTU thread. You weren't on that thread as I recall. Fourthly, what exactly have you contributed of note in the way of article postings to stimulate discussion about Webb that you so obviously want? Nada, zero. The last article you contributed to this forum as I recall was something about Israel and Russia in November. Fifthly quit your bitching about illumanati articles and instead of picking up your marbles and walking away, roll up your sleeves and do some research and post some articles that would make for a different more realist take on politics. I'm with you. I am not much for the illuminati articles - they're not my cup of tea - so I don't post on those threads - it doesn't bother me that others do - I do something more concrete, I actually post articles and post to threads I am interested in. Maybe you should do the same - there's room for everybody's political bent on this forum - Christine hardly ever exercises her moderator censorship rights except for vanity threads that are out of control and burying real news articles and discussions. So apply the advice you give to others about "doing concrete things" and start researching and posting articles on subjects you want discussion and opinions on. Here's something that you can take as your own articles about Webb and his qualities to post for further discussion - I was thinking of doing it yesterday but I got called away from home: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=160126 "Webb for President?" Posted 01/24/2007 @ 1:34pm by Ari Berman AND http://www.thenation.com/doc/ 20061023/moser "Virginia's Rumbling Rebels" posted October 8, 2006 (October 23, 2006 issue) By Bob Moser Go for it, Destro, and show us the way. I'd love to post to such a thread and so would others, I'm sure.
If not enough things are being posted from your point of view, then go find them and post them. If you want to see things hashed out, then talk about those things in a courteous and respectful way, and invite comment. No forum is free of idiots, including this one. No forum is free of prejudice, including this one. If you are lucky, you will find one or two kindred souls in a place like this with whom you like to share thoughts and whose opinions you respect. I've been fortunate here because I've encountered highly intelligent people whose opinions matter to me. If your experience has not been such, then you should look for a forum that pleases you. As for the Serbian people and their victimization, you can be assured that you will find a more sympathetic audience here than probably anywhere else. If that's your trick and you are a one trick pony, then this is the place you will feel welcome. If you are a holocaust denier, you will find an open forum here where you can post that silliness and not be laughed right off the screen. That's because christine welcomes pretty much any views and demands only that we treat each other with respect and some fundamental courtesy. On a day to day basis there are days when nobody's posting anything here that grabs my attention. On other days I can't stay away from my keyboard. I'm not generally censored here (like I have been on Kos, DU, and LP); and that is important to me. Sometimes I see crap posted here that deeply offends me. I usually choose not to respond to it. Freedom means sometimes hearing shit that pisses you off. What I can tell you is that reading a really well-written Burkeman or Leveller post is worth a whole day's worth of wading through crap, at least to me. But that's just me. Your experience may vary, and no warranties are made. If you go to a party or a bar, do you expect to like everyone there? At school did you like everyone in your class? Or did you, like most of us, find a few good friends and a few respectful acquaintances, and the rest of the folks there you could hardly give a shit about? Why would you expect a political forum to be any different? The majority of people in the world are vacuous, shallow, and poorly educated. Occasionally you will find someone who is much smarter and more critical. On this site you will find the proportion of smarties to idiots is pretty good; but that doesn't mean there are no idiots. Your post reminds me of my brother in law. He married his high school sweetheart and she was really fantastic. Smart, beautiful, accomodating, kind, seriously a real catch. But his marriage wasn't "perfect" and he wasn't "perfectly happy", so he got a divorce. It was his misfortune to grab the brass ring on his first go round the merry-go-round, so he never understood (until much too late) how good he'd had it. You aren't going to find perfection on any site. But good hunting.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Well. One does have to make allowances for short time preferences.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
Sorry, I don't get what you mean. I try to cut back my coffee consumption as a New Year's resolution and there's the result - intellectual slow down. Would you please clarify your remark? I'm getting another cup of coffee too.
I have the opposite problem. Too little sleep, too much adrenaline. I've got a father-second-time-over fugue on. So no.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
thanks, bluedog. that was very well articulated.
excellent
Daily Kos is mostly democrats, is it not? So the activism they do is partisan. Most of 4um's members have abandoned the two party political system. Further, unlike FR, DU, LP, and most likely Kos, we have no paid posters here. Many of us, however, are activists in our real lives, as far as doing what we can as individuals to wake people up to the corruption and tyranny of this government. That's our passion.
Daily Kos is more research based.. I visit there and lefty is an understatement.. the site is run by a democrat and it's focus is getting democrats elected.. it's a great resource but.. as all forums it has it's focus.. Now when you say people here are unsophiscated in their analysis.. I'd beg to differ.. Ive known many of these posters for many years.. some personally some online.. and many are quite sophisticated in their understanding of issues etc.. it's easy to say 'others' arent up to your standards .. this forum is one of the few left that is totally free speech.. with very little moderation..and chris and I created this forum with that purpose in mind.. If you want more analysis have at it.. many people would chime in I'm sure.. make this forum what you want it to be.. with threads or posts that you've researched etc.. and see how it developes.. chris and I dont 'drive' this bus so to speak, it's up to the posters..
Jim Webb is hardly a career politician.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I was on Liberty Post defending Webb - after they used his writing about an actual South East Asian custom of affection to boys(the so called pedophile oral incident in Webb's book) to try and swift boat him - shocking to the ignorant GOP Freeper Bush bots that such customs exist even though in the Old Testament we have such similar examples (swearing of oaths by touching your father's inner thigh) In fact the word 'testify' comes from testicles - in Rome you swore an oath cupping your testes. But even now I read Freepers calling Webb a pervert. How can I belong to such a movement of unthinking dolts? I thought this forum would be a better fit than libertypost but no such luck. I will go back to Libertyforum I guess.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I must have posted THOUSANDS of articles online just under the name of Destro - be it on Freerepublic - LibertyForum - Libertypost though not much on freedum4um. Google Destro and any of the above forums.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I thought this forum would be a better fit than libertypost but no such luck. I will go back to Libertyforum I guess. What does your defense of Webb on Liberty Post have to do with your baseless criticism of nothing of substance ever appearing on THIS FORUM about Webb? I just presented you with several examples of when Webb was discussed on a couple of threads recently on THIS FORUM and also when his "star power" was pointed out on THIS FORUM even when he wasn't a senator yet. I even gave you on a platter a good October/06 article from The Nation ( which you did not bother to read)that analyzes some strengths and weaknesses of Webb that could be posted right here and now which would get the pot stirred if you truly were interested in hearing different opinions/takes on Webb. After all of our efforts, you basically ignore everything we've pointed out and say - feh, I'm jumping to libertyforum anyways. Nice - it sounds like you made up your mind long before you started this grousing nothing's good here sub-thread. Too bad bluedogtxn and christine and Zipporah and I expended time and energy on taking your concerns seriously. It's obvious that you could care less what we offered as possible remedies to make you feel more at ease here or/and intellectually stimulated. Bon chance at libertyforum. I hope it offers you the political discussion nirvana world you think exists in cyberland.
Google Destro and any of the above forums. Whatever. How does that activity elsewhere relate to this forum? I checked what articles you posted here for the past month more closely and there were about 12 in the past 30 days and I don't recall seeing anything about Webb - maybe I missed it. I admit I was wrong to claim you hadn't posted since November - but on the otherhand I don't see any busy worker bee ethic on your part to support your grumbling that there's no discussion about Webb or anything intellectual that isn't illuminati related or that you don't fit in - it's not like your articles have been ignored - you just don't post that many here to come to that conclusion, frankly. But go to libertyforum if that's where you want to spend of your time. I could care less what you do. I just don't think it's fair of you to make broad brush stroke damning statements about this forum.
We never talked about helicopters all that much. Look, Destro, it's all recorded in the machine.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
i agree. just go. in my opinion, it was mr. arrogant's intent to demoralize us.
Because if the fireproofing isn't sprayed on (a chemical retardant mixed with ground up PAPER) then if a main load bearing beam is compromised even in the slightest, the building will have to be razed. It's impossible to replace critical members in finished structures and even an isolated fire could result in a loss of tensile strength. Even if the beam is strong enough to support the load but it falls below design specs then the structure must come down. So, the fireproofing protects the beam and at a glance shows the inspectors that the temps reached were never critical and the integrity of the beam is not in question. I'm a former steel mill electrician and neither the mill nor the iron workers/erectors have anything to do with the fireproofing, so, working in steel doesn't make you an expert. In fact, your assertion that it somehow qualifies you proves that you're a 2nd rate bullshitter.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
Couldn't help but laugh at this line, JT..........its rather hard to find your conclusion meritorious when one realizes you were known as Mr. Spam in another lifetime.....LOL.
Both the Spam issue and the good book are fiction, dee. Neither happened.
Other than a comment to JT, I wasn't going to post any comments. However.... Earlier up the thread, you mentioned Serbia. FWIW, I was one at TOS1 at the time we were bombing the hell out of Serbia/Yugoslavia in '99 who was contacting the legislature in an attempt to get the BS stopped. Was also working with a group who was trying to find the real reason for this horrorific action on our part. But mainly, I want to say, here you are talking down this forum, as though virtually everyone is beneath you........and then when you're shown to be wrong about the inattention to Mr. Webb, you come up with the excuse you were somewhere else defending his literary works. So, you really have no idea what has transpired on this forum regarding Webb--but that doesn't prevent you from making your foolish statement. Now, rather than even a feeble attempt to apologize for your misunderstanding or not understanding what has occurred here, you'd apparently rather tuck tail and run to the next forum, i.e., KOS. This, of course, after your obvious misquoting scraper, and refusing to straighten out that misunderstanding. Having been on TOS1, you should well then know the old saying about the door and all that jazz, right? You need to dismount from your exceedingly tall horse and develop some communication skills--relax and have some discussions based on what you want the forum to focus on. Different strokes for different folks was a lesson I brought with me thru life from a Leadership and Motivation Seminar I attended.
I didnt know that.....about the fireproofing stuff! I knew about the bullshitter, though.
Yeah..........uh huh..........right.
I don't have anything against Webb, but when it comes to candidates for Pres - Ron Paul is hard to beat. Paul has been the ONLY true voice of reason in congress for many years. He has consistently voted in favor of "Joe Six Pack", has repeatedly called for an audit of America's gold holdings, has repeatedly called for a return of our currency to a gold standard, and is thoroughly aware of the many huge government frauds like the income tax (he was interviewed in Freedom to Fascism on the matter). He was one of only 6(!) to vote "Nay" on the invasion of Iraq. He knows how government has usurped the Constitution, and feels those wrongs need to be "undone" and return to abiding by the Constitution. He is against the Patriot Act, the North American Union, and the Military Commissions Act. I think we'd be hard pressed to do any better.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
I agree with you that Dr. Ron Paul is a quality candidate. But I think he's too old to be attractive to most Americans. And I suspect he's burned too many bridges within the GOP. Sadly I think Americans are really stuck on youth and image. I think Jim Webb has that Kennedy all American look - he'd be easier to package and sell and he has not been in office or in gov't too long to have burned bridges. Although Webb is known as a bit of a hothead so he might burn bridges in short order too.
Very sad but true. As much as I hate to admit it, I think his chances of winning the election are about on par with an ant climbing up an elephant's leg with rape on his mind. Sadly, the most likely scenario is NOT going to be a real choice at all. Hillary vs McCain or some equally disgusting shit... It's not about who wins the popular vote. Bush lost the popularity contest twice.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
Why don't you ask your French experts what "impact damage" building 7 suffered that was so great as to cause it's collapse, when buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 all suffered at least as much if not more impact damage and DID NOT COLLAPSE??? Like I said, just because you have a good education or a high-paying job doesn't mean you have one fucking lick of common sense.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
Like I said, just because you have a good education or a high-paying job doesn't mean you have one fucking lick of common sense. But, in order to understand all that tech stuff you have to read the report in the original Greek! ;)
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
LMAO!
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
I didn't see your post before I commented. (#152) Excellent post and you covered it all.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
Nobody likes their territory over-run by strangers, it's the way people are. When the Europeans came to America, the natives who had been here for some time didn't like it for all reasons mentioned. We are all encouraged to bemoan the loss of the Native American culture still, but when present-day Americans complain about Mexicans not assimilating as they take over, they are accused of being low-IQ unenlightened rednecks and so on. It's all part of the plan to demonize anyone who is against the planned demographic change of the US, by inferring that they are ignorant people if they are against it. People don't like it because of all the reasons mentioned which is normal among people who want to see their genes survive and live on into the future, just like the Native Americans wanted.
I used to be naive in that I believed that if a person was a Christian and went to church that meant they were a good person. I have found out that this is not the case, there are some very cruel and self-rightous so-called Christians out there, people who are nothing like what Jesus said people should be like. I have run into some downright creepy Christians. I think a lot of those are not at all sincere and are into it strictly for image (or money if they are crooked preachers).
I'll admit to being somewhat sad that the culture we knew is going, going, gone. It's okey and even encouraged for other minorities and ethnic groups to embrace their cultures, but if white people want to hold onto their's they are deemed biased, ignorant rednecks. I'm tired of labels and accusations and pretension, we should not have to give in by being labeled as stupid and evil if we don't like our culture being destroyed and ridiculed. Blacks are encouraged to embrace black culture, Jews embrace their culture and heritage, Asians the same and so on, but if white Americans want to retain their culture they get called racist and bigoted and to avoid being labeled as such they end up denying their own identity in order to fit in. It shouldn't have to be that way.
Those groups didn't come to America in great numbers, and they are much more similar to Europeans than Mexicans are, being that they are mostly European. Not everyone can assimilate completely into any group, to think they can is out of the blank-slate theory of the 1960s which mostly marxist types refuse to let go of even though it's been discredited for some time now. For instance I am almost certain that Australian Aborigines would have a difficult time assimilating into Japanese society. Look at what a great job (not) the Arab muslims are doing with their assimilition into European culture.
America has become a whore house for foreign johns.
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
I mean once Germanics were considered violent, mindless beasts - so much so that one tribe's ethnic name gave the world the word and concept of 'vandal'. It always seems to boil down to Germany in the end. I think we are seeing Eye for an Eye carried out to the extreme.
"Vandalism" is from the French vandalisme, which originated during the French revolution. The verb vandalize is first recorded in 1800. The term "vandalism" has come to mean senseless destruction as a result of the Vandals' sack of Rome under King Geiseric in 455. Historians agree that the Vandals were no more destructive than other invaders of ancient times. During the Enlightenment, Rome was idealized, so the Goths and Vandals were disparaged.
I like both the germans and the french too. I don't what the propaganda says.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
This is an excellent point and one that ticks me off to no end. Multiculturalism is code-speak for the destruction of white culture. Today's American cultural elites deem it acceptable that our Attorney General Gonzalez attend and address the radical group, La Raza (The Race), but should a white person dare listen to David Duke or Jared Taylor, they're classified white separatists. I reject the effort to be made to feel guilty about being pro- white. Such pride is acceptable - and encouraged - among other cultures, therefore it’s only the politically correct among us who feel uncomfortable and they’re nothing more than the enemy within.
JT, you haven't got the stomach for this at all. Your cowardice comes from a lifetime of being brainwashed by jooos. That, and your filthy Hibernian genes.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
#158. To: Destro (#154)
I only populated the forums as an attempt to advocate for the Serbian people against America's illegal war on them.
#159. To: Destro, christine, robin, Jethro Tull, bluedogtxn, aristeides, Burkeman1, Brian S, swarthy guy, angle, randge, SmokinOPs, HOUNDDAWG, tauzero, tom007, Fred Mertz (#156)
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And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
#160. To: Destro, christine, all (#154)
I think I realized the problem I am having with this forum.
#161. To: scrapper2 (#159)
#162. To: Tauzero (#161)
Well. One does have to make allowances for short time preferences.
#163. To: scrapper2 (#162)
#164. To: bluedogtxn (#160)
#165. To: scrapper2 (#159)
#166. To: Destro (#154)
#167. To: Destro (#131)
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#168. To: SmokinOPs (#157)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not commenting on it because it was a career politician's response to another politician who was a failure in private life.
#169. To: scrapper2 (#159)
Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions.
#170. To: scrapper2, bluedogtxn (#159)
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Fifthly quit your bitching about illumanati articles and instead of picking up your marbles and walking away, roll up your sleeves and do some research and post some articles that would make for a different more realist take on politics. I'm with you. I am not much for the illuminati articles - they're not my cup of tea - so I don't post on those threads - it doesn't bother me that others do - I do something more concrete, I actually post articles and post to threads I am interested in. Maybe you should do the same
#171. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, christine, Zipporah (#169)
I was on Liberty Post defending Webb. But even now I read Freepers calling Webb a pervert. How can I belong to such a movement of unthinking dolts?
#172. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, christine, Zipporah (#170)
must have posted THOUSANDS of articles online just under the name of Destro - be it on Freerepublic - LibertyForum - Libertypost though not much on freedum4um.
#173. To: scrapper2, Destro (#172)
#174. To: scrapper2, Destro (#172)
I just don't think it's fair of you to make broad brush stroke damning statements about this forum.
#175. To: Destro, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull (#144)
Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Their obsessive study of what I consider a book of fiction could rightfully be considered a mental disorder.
#177. To: rowdee (#176)
#178. To: Destro (#169)
#179. To: HOUNDDAWG (#175)
#180. To: Jethro Tull (#177)
#181. To: scrapper2 (#159)
But a couple of months ago, Webb wasn't a trendy household name as he is today after his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech.
#182. To: innieway (#181)
I don't have anything against Webb, but when it comes to candidates for Pres - Ron Paul is hard to beat.
#183. To: scrapper2 (#182)
I agree with you that Dr. Ron Paul is a quality candidate. But I think he's too old to be attractive to most Americans. And I suspect he's burned too many bridges within the GOP.
#184. To: Destro (#153)
I work with the world's leading metallurgists - they agree with the offical conclusions that the fire and impact damage to the steel beams caused the failure.
#185. To: innieway (#184)
Why don't you ask your French experts what "impact damage" building 7 suffered that was so great as to cause it's collapse, when buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 all suffered at least as much if not more impact damage and DID NOT COLLAPSE???
#186. To: rowdee (#179)
I didnt know that.....about the fireproofing stuff! I knew about the bullshitter, though.
#187. To: innieway, christine, Zipporah, rowdee, robin, lodwick, destro (#152)
#188. To: Destro (#68)
Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized.
#189. To: Red Jones (#76)
I don't myself agree with the assertion at top of this thread, that people who quote bible are 'head cases'. But people say this out of frustration, and i sure don't blame them for being that way.
#190. To: robin, scrapper2, Destro, christine, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG (#83)
Economic reasons are the only reasons I see posted here.
#191. To: Destro (#87)
You have to stretch credibility very much to say Mexican culture is more removed from American culture than say the culture of Greek Americans or Russian Jews or Lebanese Arab Christians or Armenians. Yet these people melded into American culture and contributed greatly to this nation's wealth because their parents could pull themselves out of poverty.
#192. To: Diana (#191)
#193. To: Destro, blackeagle (#130)
#194. To: Destro (#130)
I mean once Germanics were considered violent, mindless beasts - so much so that one tribe's ethnic name gave the world the word and concept of 'vandal'.
#195. To: Diana (#194)
#196. To: Diana (#190)
It's okey and even encouraged for other minorities and ethnic groups to embrace their cultures, but if white people want to hold onto their's they are deemed biased, ignorant rednecks.
#197. To: Jethro Tull (#196)
but should a white person dare listen to David Duke or Jared Taylor, they're classified white separatists
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