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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
Author: me
Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 308

Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

Those who use biblical prophecy especially those that insert 'Ezekiel' into their forum responses to explain today's events need to be stoned with big rocks.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-23   9:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

With what they say is going to happen to everyone else, you're letting them off easy.

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:43:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

YES! And don't forget a book burning (please include all the versions they squabble over)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   9:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm tired of their petty squabbles, but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

What I think would be even worse is the knowledge that their ashes would be buried with a Koran.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

Well, with these head cases it all depends on *which* bible is burnt. Apparently there are different versions and only THEY know the one which is real. As I said, they exhibit overt mental illness.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   10:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   10:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

To: Jethro Tull You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

The Catholics you describe are more the exception than the mainstream, unless the church has turned into some kind of holy roller hang out since I was last there as a "regular."

I'm not sure what state you live in - if it's a Southern state maybe the Catholics got infected with the Bible Belt disease or something - but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

As for priests molesters - that was very ugly - but the percentage of priests who molested was similar to other church's clerics or so I've read - what was bad was the Catholic church tried to cover it up. Also the priest molestation thingie was primarily isolated to American Catholic churches for some peculiar reason.

As for money grubbing priests - the Catholic church is no different from other religions and certainly no worse than most.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   11:57:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

I'm in the same boat as you, scrapper. What got me started on this rant is the outright hatred some otherwise kindred spirits have toward anything Catholic. The Catholics I know would stand with us on most issues, while never discussing religion. Who and what people choose to hold close is their business. IMHO, some people in this community of ours place religion and obscure conspiracies over the current events that are actively altering our culture and country. They divide rather than unify, and I find it impossible to keep quiet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:33:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Any Catholic who enables illegal immigration should be Saddam'ed. The same holds for anyone else including all those WASPS in the CFR who are driving this mess with their "Building a North American Community."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:46:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So are godless libertarians

I remember arguing with the big "L" libertarians on tFR years ago. They adored open borders and free trade. Total fruitcakes, who haven't the balls to engage in debate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:48:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons.

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights.

Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.

Thanks for the compliment.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-01-25   9:37:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am disappointed in this forum - I think DailyKos is a great forum but they are more lefty and I am more a traditionalist conservative. Still this forum is to me more like a freerepublic wannabe website - populated with Archie Bunker types - they mean well but are not sophisticated in their analysis. There are a great few exceptions of course but sadly not enough.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   11:04:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Still this forum is to me more like a freerepublic wannabe website-- populated with Archie Bunker types - they mean well but are not sophisticated in their analysis.

mr. analysis, you really are a pompous ass. how someone who made the completely assinine claim that "fire turns steel into wet noodles" can place himself intellectually superior to everyone else on this forum is laughable.

christine  posted on  2007-01-25   12:28:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

mr. analysis, you really are a pompous ass. how someone who made the completely assinine claim that "fire turns steel into wet noodles" can place himself intellectually superior to everyone else on this forum is laughable.

Cause I work for a steel beam maker that is why - hence the need to fireproof steel.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   12:43:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yeah, yeah. fireproofing or not, you're still too arrogant to admit that was a stupid and erroneous simile.

christine  posted on  2007-01-25   13:04:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   13:06:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?

"Heat resistant" is a tricky term. Steel is NOT heat resistant, per se. Since steel is a good conductor it will absorb heat...

BUT, it is also capable of absorbing a certain amount of heat without weakening any substantial amount. In the case of structural steel, this point is 540° C, which relates to 1004° F. Steel expands when heated, and once enough energy has been absorbed, it softens and loses its structural integrity. This is easily prevented through the use of fireproofing, which prevents the steel from absorbing enough energy to reach this temperature.

Was the structural steel used in the Trade Center buildings NOT fireproofed? Admittedly, there was no doubt some damage to the fireproofing of some of the structural steel caused by the impact itself, however this damage would have been limited to the area of the impact. So what happened to the fireproofing throughout the rest of the buildings unaffected by the impact? Not to mention that there is no way on earth that fires were rampant throughout the entire structures from the ground all the way to the impact zone, thus resulting in ZERO compromise of the steel in those areas (which is far more area then the "compromised" areas).

A514 is primarily used as a structural steel for building construction. The tensile yield strength of A514 alloys is specified as at least 100 ksi (690 MPa) for thicknesses up to 2.5 inch (64 mm) thick plate, and at least 110 ksi (760 MPa) ultimate tensile strength, with a specified ultimate range of 110–130 ksi (760–900 MPa). Plates from 2.5 to 6.0 inches (64 to 152 mm) thick have specified strength of 90 ksi (620 MPa) (yield) and 110–130 ksi (760–900 MPa) (ultimate). Engineers in North America usually use units of ksi which is a thousand psi, thus we're talking about steel with a base tensile strength of between 90,000 psi and 130,000 psi depending on thickness. Tensile strength is measured as a "pulling force", NOT a "compressing force". Imagine what kind of strength this steel has in resistance to compression!!! A "real world" example is that a 200 lb man can stand on an empty beer can (which is made from aluminum with very low tensile strength compared to A514, not to mention very thin aluminum at that) without crushing it. Now Mr "I'm a base of knowledge and common sense, and the 'official story of the collapses is plausible'" - tell me what force would be more in play upon the vertical steel in the collapse of the buildings, would it be "compression" or would it be "pulling"??? If it were "pulling" they would have fell upwards against gravity and into the sky. BUT I don't give a damn what forces are present, any integrity whatsoever in the vertical columns would present resistance to the effects of gravity in the collapses, and thus make it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the collapses to happen all the way to the ground at freefall speed!!!!! Thus by necessity, structural integrity had to be eliminated all the way to the ground for these collapses to happen in the time frame they happened! Perhaps it would behoove you to take some physics classes and study Newton's laws of motion and inertia.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - when it comes to common sense, Rudyard Kipling had it right when he penned:
"Common sense is very uncommon. Common sense is in spite of, not as a result of education. Common sense is instinct, and enough is genius. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he need more of it than he already has. Common sense is the knack of seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done."

Getting on this forum and spouting that the majority of posters here are incapable of rational thought (which begins with common sense) is truly the pot calling the kettle black. Remember the old saying "The guilty dog barks first."???

innieway  posted on  2007-01-25   14:39:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The steel to the Freedom tower is by my firm - I work with the world's leading metallurgists - they agree with the offical conclusions that the fire and impact damage to the steel beams caused the failure. They are also French citizens and have no love for Bush's America so they are not biased pro- Bushies.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   16:29:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I work with the world's leading metallurgists - they agree with the offical conclusions that the fire and impact damage to the steel beams caused the failure.

Why don't you ask your French experts what "impact damage" building 7 suffered that was so great as to cause it's collapse, when buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 all suffered at least as much if not more impact damage and DID NOT COLLAPSE???

Like I said, just because you have a good education or a high-paying job doesn't mean you have one fucking lick of common sense.

innieway  posted on  2007-01-26   3:00:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#185. To: innieway (#184)

Why don't you ask your French experts what "impact damage" building 7 suffered that was so great as to cause it's collapse, when buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 all suffered at least as much if not more impact damage and DID NOT COLLAPSE???

Like I said, just because you have a good education or a high-paying job doesn't mean you have one fucking lick of common sense.

But, in order to understand all that tech stuff you have to read the report in the original Greek! ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-01-26 03:27:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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