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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
Author: me
Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 308

Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

Those who use biblical prophecy especially those that insert 'Ezekiel' into their forum responses to explain today's events need to be stoned with big rocks.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-23   9:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

With what they say is going to happen to everyone else, you're letting them off easy.

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:43:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

YES! And don't forget a book burning (please include all the versions they squabble over)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   9:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm tired of their petty squabbles, but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

What I think would be even worse is the knowledge that their ashes would be buried with a Koran.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

Well, with these head cases it all depends on *which* bible is burnt. Apparently there are different versions and only THEY know the one which is real. As I said, they exhibit overt mental illness.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   10:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   10:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

To: Jethro Tull You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

The Catholics you describe are more the exception than the mainstream, unless the church has turned into some kind of holy roller hang out since I was last there as a "regular."

I'm not sure what state you live in - if it's a Southern state maybe the Catholics got infected with the Bible Belt disease or something - but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

As for priests molesters - that was very ugly - but the percentage of priests who molested was similar to other church's clerics or so I've read - what was bad was the Catholic church tried to cover it up. Also the priest molestation thingie was primarily isolated to American Catholic churches for some peculiar reason.

As for money grubbing priests - the Catholic church is no different from other religions and certainly no worse than most.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   11:57:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

I'm in the same boat as you, scrapper. What got me started on this rant is the outright hatred some otherwise kindred spirits have toward anything Catholic. The Catholics I know would stand with us on most issues, while never discussing religion. Who and what people choose to hold close is their business. IMHO, some people in this community of ours place religion and obscure conspiracies over the current events that are actively altering our culture and country. They divide rather than unify, and I find it impossible to keep quiet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:33:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Any Catholic who enables illegal immigration should be Saddam'ed. The same holds for anyone else including all those WASPS in the CFR who are driving this mess with their "Building a North American Community."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:46:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So are godless libertarians

I remember arguing with the big "L" libertarians on tFR years ago. They adored open borders and free trade. Total fruitcakes, who haven't the balls to engage in debate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:48:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons.

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights.

Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.

Thanks for the compliment.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-01-25   9:37:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am disappointed in this forum - I think DailyKos is a great forum but they are more lefty and I am more a traditionalist conservative. Still this forum is to me more like a freerepublic wannabe website - populated with Archie Bunker types - they mean well but are not sophisticated in their analysis. There are a great few exceptions of course but sadly not enough.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   11:04:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My posting experience tells me that when a "debate" is concluded by one poster declaring the forum is "disappointing" h/she usually was pummeled about the head and body.

What exactly is a traditional conservative and why on earth would anyone choose to self identify, given today's politics?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-25   11:35:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What exactly is a traditional conservative and why on earth would anyone choose to self identify, given today's politics?

Someone steeped in the constitution more so than identifying being conservative with being Christian or a kind of 'white' person. Also someone who is educated reading classical literature - from Homer to Pericles to Cicero to Locke and Burke to Jefferson and the Founding fathers and are not conservatives based along Rush Limbough lines.

For example being against illegal immigration is fine - I am as well - I am also for limiting legal immigration and I say this as a naturalized citizen.

But the reasons stated here are for limits because the Mexicans are wetbacks and so on - not based on rational reasoned concerns. This does not mean I am better than you or smarter - far from it - but I don't understand why what I am thinking seems complex to some or that they have not thought of this themsleves - I keep reading talk radio talking points a lot on here over independent thinking.

It is OK - i did not fit in on Freerepublic nor Libertypost - I am a hybrid - European and American so I don't think like most nativist Americans.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   11:46:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But the reasons stated here are for limits because the Mexicans are wetbacks and so on - not based on rational reasoned concerns.

When they break into my country illegally, organize and assemble in many of the major cities across the country and then march under the Mexican flag in an effort to affect American law, they're wetback sons of bitches. Period, end of discussion. You can stay busy reading Plato and Homer but be very clear about our future; we're under invasion by a nationalistic people who are demanding that portions of our country be returned to them. Wetback? The word is too kind for these scum.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-25   12:14:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hence my need to disassociate myself with such a group - I am against illegal immigration same as you - but such sentiments expressed like that serve no purpose and don't juice up my intellect. I think the main difference is that this website is populated by people who are stirred with strong emotions over thoughts.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   12:28:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think the main difference is that this website is populated by people who are stirred with strong emotions

Welcome to America. If it weren't for our strong emotions we'd never have tossed the Brits out the door, and we'd all be speaking German.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-25   12:35:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Welcome to America. If it weren't for our strong emotions we'd never have tossed the Brits out the door, and we'd all be speaking German.

Americans were already speaking German and Ducth before the Brits arrived.

So take that English as the official language nuts.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   12:44:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Americans were already speaking German and Ducth before the Brits arrived

You missed the point, Plato. Why am I not surprised?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-25   12:57:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal. That is sad.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   13:08:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal. That is sad.

There are probably under 80 regular posters here. How much stimulating cross-discussion do you expect on a forum that could hold all its members in the banquet hall of a Vermont Knights of Columbus?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-01-25   16:43:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There are probably under 80 regular posters here.

And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....

Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions. But a couple of months ago, Webb wasn't a trendy household name as he is today after his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech.

Secondly before Webb's rebuttal speech and before you announced you independent registration status to all, there was a discussion thread about possible Presidential candidates and some of us then pointed out that Webb might make a good candidate to run for the Oval Office as an Independent because the Democrats would need to become more centrist to keep him and the GOP would need to lose the neocons and become more paleo dominated as before to attract him back - and some of us (hint: it wasn't you ) - noted that Webb was a rising star to be watched closely.

Thirdly, some of the good discussions about Webb's speech got hidden in the SOTU thread. You weren't on that thread as I recall.

Fourthly, what exactly have you contributed of note in the way of article postings to stimulate discussion about Webb that you so obviously want? Nada, zero. The last article you contributed to this forum as I recall was something about Israel and Russia in November.

Fifthly quit your bitching about illumanati articles and instead of picking up your marbles and walking away, roll up your sleeves and do some research and post some articles that would make for a different more realist take on politics. I'm with you. I am not much for the illuminati articles - they're not my cup of tea - so I don't post on those threads - it doesn't bother me that others do - I do something more concrete, I actually post articles and post to threads I am interested in. Maybe you should do the same - there's room for everybody's political bent on this forum - Christine hardly ever exercises her moderator censorship rights except for vanity threads that are out of control and burying real news articles and discussions.

So apply the advice you give to others about "doing concrete things" and start researching and posting articles on subjects you want discussion and opinions on.

Here's something that you can take as your own articles about Webb and his qualities to post for further discussion - I was thinking of doing it yesterday but I got called away from home:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=160126

"Webb for President?" Posted 01/24/2007 @ 1:34pm by Ari Berman

AND

http://www.thenation.com/doc/ 20061023/moser

"Virginia's Rumbling Rebels" posted October 8, 2006 (October 23, 2006 issue)

By Bob Moser

Go for it, Destro, and show us the way. I'd love to post to such a thread and so would others, I'm sure.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-25   17:20:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions.

I was on Liberty Post defending Webb - after they used his writing about an actual South East Asian custom of affection to boys(the so called pedophile oral incident in Webb's book) to try and swift boat him - shocking to the ignorant GOP Freeper Bush bots that such customs exist even though in the Old Testament we have such similar examples (swearing of oaths by touching your father's inner thigh) In fact the word 'testify' comes from testicles - in Rome you swore an oath cupping your testes. But even now I read Freepers calling Webb a pervert. How can I belong to such a movement of unthinking dolts?

I thought this forum would be a better fit than libertypost but no such luck.

I will go back to Libertyforum I guess.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-25   19:24:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Other than a comment to JT, I wasn't going to post any comments. However....

Earlier up the thread, you mentioned Serbia. FWIW, I was one at TOS1 at the time we were bombing the hell out of Serbia/Yugoslavia in '99 who was contacting the legislature in an attempt to get the BS stopped. Was also working with a group who was trying to find the real reason for this horrorific action on our part.

But mainly, I want to say, here you are talking down this forum, as though virtually everyone is beneath you........and then when you're shown to be wrong about the inattention to Mr. Webb, you come up with the excuse you were somewhere else defending his literary works. So, you really have no idea what has transpired on this forum regarding Webb--but that doesn't prevent you from making your foolish statement.

Now, rather than even a feeble attempt to apologize for your misunderstanding or not understanding what has occurred here, you'd apparently rather tuck tail and run to the next forum, i.e., KOS.

This, of course, after your obvious misquoting scraper, and refusing to straighten out that misunderstanding.

Having been on TOS1, you should well then know the old saying about the door and all that jazz, right?

You need to dismount from your exceedingly tall horse and develop some communication skills--relax and have some discussions based on what you want the forum to focus on. Different strokes for different folks was a lesson I brought with me thru life from a Leadership and Motivation Seminar I attended.

rowdee  posted on  2007-01-25   23:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Good analysis and summary.

BTW, there have been long threads on 9/11 from which many, many excellent points were made that Destro never responded to, skipping over all meaningful discussion and posting remarks like the one above and posting one poor quality image (ignoring all the videos we directed him to), to make his "case" (which is the govt version of 9/11).

robin  posted on  2007-01-26   11:33:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i just perused the latest posts on LF. i don't see that they've got posted any better quality or quantity of articles than we have here.

christine  posted on  2007-01-26   11:43:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i just perused the latest posts on LF. i don't see that they've got posted any better quality or quantity of articles than we have here.

Right.

Since you mentioned that, I can tell you that destro seldom engages any of the serious 911 researchers (or any other grownups) at LF and he certainly never claims to be superior to all. But, they are very aggressive there and they can reduce him to tears, and he doesn't like it when he is treated the way he treats people here.

I've known who he is from LF for quite some time and to me he was an inconsequential little twit. (even though his screen name was familiar to me for a long time I had not the faintest clue what if anything he stood for there. I see now that he was too intimidated to show his ass then.)

For some reason (probably because trolls aren't tolerated and folks are generally better behaved here) he interprets good manners as weakness and he believes he can bully us with his imaginary "big brain".

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-01-26   12:09:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've known who he is from LF for quite some time and to me he was an inconsequential little twit. (even though his screen name was familiar to me for a long time I had not the faintest clue what if anything he stood for there. I see now that he was too intimidated to show his ass then.)

That your American Muslim dogs who America trained/supplied/used to atatck the Serbian people turned around (or were used) to attack America on 9/11 is karmic payback on a cosmic scale.

Any attempt by the 9//11 truthers to minimize the role of Muslim jihadis linked to the black ops programs of America used overseas (and domestically?) - especially the Balkan and Chechen campaigns of the 90s will be fought by me. It is my thesis that the 9/11 demolition theory is a perfect way to discredit all who want to expose the TRUE 9/11 story - the CIA backed jihad of the alst 20 years that somehow led back to the carrying out of 9/11 either by much deserved blowback or on purpose.

PS: I was on Freerepublic - Libertyforum was a back up for my many bannings on Freerepublic where my confederates still post articles I find for them along with the background to link the article to the bigger story. On Libertyforum I only post when Blackjade needs a back up there. In fact I was the first to leak the info that men who carried out the 9/11 attacks were from Bosnia's CIA backed jihadi soldiers that Clinton authorized to be imported in to fight the Serbs.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-26   14:15:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#292. To: Destro (#268)

Face it, it don't matter anymore.

It's one for the history books. An issue of faith and belief, facts be damned.

Literally, no one wishes to trace the real story of 911 down. The evidence is there at many, many sites - the myriad trails linking Jihadis, the USG and various Sunni countries. But that opens up the issue of American support for Jihadis.......

Let it go, Destro, you'll drive yourself nuts. The Russians, the Serbs, the Indians and the French are all well aware of America's reliance on the Saudis, and having dealt out enough cash, the Saudis are safe.

Out in the real world, 911 is not of any concern at all.

Focusing on the mechanics of 119, the "truthers" have relegated themselves into the margins, loudly chanting in the echo chamber, without any desire or interest to look into America's post ww2 history supporting Islami fundies.

Inshallah.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-01-29 13:32:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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