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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.
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#250. To: HOUNDDAWG (#235)
Well.........either that or the abortionist was an amateur and bungled badly.
I'll have to look for that again, perhaps I read it too quickly. Afterall I am 93 years old, for today at least.
Right. Since you mentioned that, I can tell you that destro seldom engages any of the serious 911 researchers (or any other grownups) at LF and he certainly never claims to be superior to all. But, they are very aggressive there and they can reduce him to tears, and he doesn't like it when he is treated the way he treats people here. I've known who he is from LF for quite some time and to me he was an inconsequential little twit. (even though his screen name was familiar to me for a long time I had not the faintest clue what if anything he stood for there. I see now that he was too intimidated to show his ass then.) For some reason (probably because trolls aren't tolerated and folks are generally better behaved here) he interprets good manners as weakness and he believes he can bully us with his imaginary "big brain".
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
Well.........either that or the abortionist was an amateur and bungled badly. I can see him sitting at a computer with a coat hanger through his head and typing, "Mom always liked you best...."
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
A proud white woman is a thing of beauty! Don't let the nig....I mean, African American lovers make you defensive. We know very well that there's a war against majority whites in this country and we don't have to kiss the minorities' or the fawning whites' asses unless (as some sad cases obviously do) one happens to enjoy that sort of thing.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
Well, I suppose if you are a native American kid sitting in a reservation school, that wouldn't be much of a reach, now would it. However, that is besides the point. I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is. Richard W.
Don't waste your efforts......seems like the shit stir stick has removed himself from the premises.....probably laughin his ass off.
Richard W. It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress". The enemies of white America seem to want to prosper by stealth, collectivist swindle or force. The notion that honest labor is its own reward is thought to be madness in the Marxist circles where your anti white views were heaved up. Indeed the very concept of justice as it can only be rationally defined (by Thos. Jefferson, not Judge Bruce Takasugi) is the product of Anglo-European jurisprudence. No African, Asian or swarthy peoples ever conceived of such a thing nor could they, lacking the necessary genes or intelligence to survive without avarice and plunder.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
I agree about the native American kid in school, but the books I read mostly related the bad white men to the black experience which is also valid. In fact the native Americans are a wonderful example of various old cultures being wiped out with the arrival of the new immigrants from Europe, that is what happens. They also were forced to renounce their various cultures, their religions, kind of like how Christianity is being suppressed in this day and age. But never mind these paralells, you're only interested in me giving you some examples of white culture from a time when I wasn't quite born yet. Since that is the case I'll have to give you bits and pieces. In the old days they had zoos where they took good care of the animals and parents who stayed married would bring their children there on weekends. Mothers would stay home with their children while the father went to work. Women made quilts and other handicrafts such as crocheting, they baked pies and they learned to play the piano. Girls were given dolls and taught to sew and sing, and boys played baseball. Children were taught not to touch things that did not belong to them, and were taught to call adults by Mr. and Mrs. and then the last name. They would go to church on Sundays and have Sunday school for the children. They had lawns and gardens and the fathers and boys mowed the lawns and the women liked to garden and plant flowers. In Victorian times there was great emphasis placed on mourning as many children and small babies died. There was an odd but common practice of making doilies out of the hair of the deceased loved one. People went on picnics, people drew and painted pictures, and there were certain manners and mores that people observed in their conduct with one another. People had pets and loved their dogs and cats. They appreciated and created beauty. In the old south women wore corsets around the Civil War era, and they had special fainting couches where they would lay down when they felt dizzy. They also applied makeup to their face which was wax-based, and if they got too close to the fireplace their makeup would melt. They used snuff. They were expected to dress modestly with their arms and legs covered with high necklines for everyday wear. They wore hats as did the men, and proper ladies wore clean white gloves when they went out. They played parlor games, read the bible together at nights, and tried their best to live their lives according to the laws of the bible. Some of the men invented things like electrical appliances and telephones. They wrote poems and novels, and developed medicines and surgical procedures. They went to dances, composed music some of which became famous, they made up recipes. And they weren't harrassed for celebrating Christmas, and they weren't obscenely ridiculed in the press. There was respect for their way of life and culture, and people were taught to love one another and live by the Golden Rule. Hell what do you want me to tell you?! You already know all this stuff and probably more, so what is your point exactly? That there never was an American culture, or never a white Christian culture, or that white people are inherently bad and deserve to be extinguished? It's too easy and fashionable these days to bash whites, we see it all the time, but no group of people is perfect, this is not a perfect world and no one in this world is perfect. White people have commited acts of cruelty without a doubt, but that does not then mean all white people are evil and deserve to die off. Okey, I have written this absurd post for you, if you want me to give you more details I will have to look for some sociology books. Then I can tell you all about powdered wigs of the 18th century and how they were made and how their styles morphed, things like that. Maybe I can tell you more too about the development of the automobile and it's early history.
Thankyou, you did better than I could, I was trying to be too literal. But I think HONESTY and a sense of awe and appreciation and cooperation sums that up nicely.
Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago. All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture. IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
An American culture is one without forced multicultural education with the presumption that all cultures are equal. They aren’t and scientific studies that suggest this should be embraced, rather than dismissed. An American culture is one where the Zionist Lobby doesn’t control our foreign policy by direct control over our elected representatives. We must recognize and oppose wars such as Iraq as being beneficial to Israel, and not America. An American culture is one where “Hate Speech” is a notion for enslaved nations. Am American culture is one where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson run from the law and not president.
So now you disappear after all that?
That is a lie - I provided links - pictures to back my statements up. At this point if this was a dive bar the beer bottle would be smashed.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
An American culture is one where “Hate Speech” is a notion for enslaved nations. Well if I were really 138 years old like Redheadedstrangerwomanhater claims, I could have been around during the Victorian period, but probably too young for the Civil War period. Our neo-American culture is indeed quickly turning into a cold-blooded marxist culture.
That is the truth. Go re-read those threads yourself. You skipped over almost all the points made and refused to watch any of the 9/11 videos. You posted a very bad photo that supposedly made one of your points, which it failed to do anyway. You had no response whatsoever to the very best arguments. Now go sweep up the broken glass before you hurt yourself.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
Is this a reference point that comes from personal experience?
You look a hundred years younger, at least. Now, wouldn't be fun to know what the redheadedchickenplucker looks like? Why is it he won't meet other posters (me) in NH? Or CA? Or anywhere else where we might share a bowl of gruel?
That your American Muslim dogs who America trained/supplied/used to atatck the Serbian people turned around (or were used) to attack America on 9/11 is karmic payback on a cosmic scale. Any attempt by the 9//11 truthers to minimize the role of Muslim jihadis linked to the black ops programs of America used overseas (and domestically?) - especially the Balkan and Chechen campaigns of the 90s will be fought by me. It is my thesis that the 9/11 demolition theory is a perfect way to discredit all who want to expose the TRUE 9/11 story - the CIA backed jihad of the alst 20 years that somehow led back to the carrying out of 9/11 either by much deserved blowback or on purpose. PS: I was on Freerepublic - Libertyforum was a back up for my many bannings on Freerepublic where my confederates still post articles I find for them along with the background to link the article to the bigger story. On Libertyforum I only post when Blackjade needs a back up there. In fact I was the first to leak the info that men who carried out the 9/11 attacks were from Bosnia's CIA backed jihadi soldiers that Clinton authorized to be imported in to fight the Serbs.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You folks make me proud. I don't mind explaining but, let's agree not to try to convert any indigenous or peregrine "natives", Mongols, bushmen or semi-Asiatics because they just don't have the genetic equipment to grasp the concept of freedom, morality or spiritual rewards with little tangible mass. If they can't steal it, redistribute it, eat, rape or make an equity loan against it then it's worthless by the measure of their five senses. The nations from whence these critics originated couldn't invent a fly swatter never mind things to feed and improve the world, so let's dispense with the notion of the white man's burden and give them nothing but directions to the nearest minority charity and birthing shelter.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
Including those Europeans the previous White Americans (WASPS) treated like subhumans like the Irish and Italians and Germans? "The Day We Celebrate" by American cartoonist Thomas Nast shows the Irish on St. Patrick’s Day as violent, drunken apes very akin to being blacks themselves. "The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
There you go again.......Destro. I do not get involved with the 9/ll threads, so why drag my name into this issue, for cryin out loud. You've been scolded once for dragging another poster into a topic on which they had not commented. I'm sure you'll be much happier at LF or kos.
My apologies - I just cut and pasted all who were in the box.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I take that as an attempt to keep us from converting/naturalizing pygmies? Whatchu got ginst short peeples, Dawg? Short peeples with darts? How'd they come up with the idea of poisoning them darts? Doan that count for sumthin on part with a fly swatter, or nearly so?
Thank you.
Yes, you indeed have. Richard W.
Sorry, I was out mowing the grass and throwing the ball around with the kids. The little woman is busy baking pies up for the big church social. Richard W.
I'm staying registered Republican so I have a chance to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.
You are either with the President, or you are for the Bill Of Rights.
That is a good reason - I respect Ron paul very much even if he is a dark horse candidate - he deserves support.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture. IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within. A wonderful ancillary post to the others, and I omitted your name among those flagged by mistake.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line... The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
Yes, you indeed have. Richard W. So why did you bait me? I told you what you wanted to hear. Some things are hard to define, but if you watch tv or read the news or read magazines like The Week, it's quite obvious there's a war on traditional American values. We now have ubiquitous porn to demonize women, which used to be hard to find due to obscenity laws, we have tv shows such as CSI where the bad guys are too easy to spot as they are over-whelmingly white people with fair coloring, it's insulting, and you can't blame a whole race of people for crimes commited in the past by some of their members. I believe all people matter equally, that God loves all people, we all have a soul and should be treated with dignity. Perhaps you don't believe that and you are projecting your own prejudices onto me. I'm not a "white supremecist" just because I don't like what I see happening in this country, the degradation of all things held sacred, the attempted abolishment and ridicule of Christian ways, the demonizing of white Americans through history, even though in all people's history there are some dark areas, but the whole race's negative traits are screamed from rooftops these days. You can look your nose down at me, report me to the ADL or whatever it is people like you do, but you can't change facts, and you can't deny this insulting process is taking place. I think you are very dogmatic in your thinking and closed-minded as well. We'll all find out the truth in the end.
Just because people of European ancestry are being targeted these days doesn't mean other races are lesser than we are. All ethnic groups have good and bad points, and Asians and others have more highly developed traits than we do. I don't think it's about who is best because just as individuals have differences so do ethnic groups. I guess people like Arete don't want to acknowledge that because either he's a closet supremecist, or he truly believes in the blank- slate theory that we are all born exactly the same and are shaped solely by environment, though from his attitude I suspect it stems from his own supremecist mentality. We all have traits good and bad, interesting, funny and so on, but I firmly believe all people should be treated with respect and dignity, and I certainly don't believe in guilt by DNA, taking Eye for an Eye to the extreme. Who are people to decide that whole groups must be exterminated? That is playing God, or more likely the devil, and to pass judgement in that sort of way is the epitomy of evil no matter who does it.
That is a good point. These smug idiots who want to make it illegal to say anything about the degradation of whites taking place simplify things to such an extent that they "forget" that in Europe and America there have been clashes and wars between many of the ethnic groups under the heading of Caucasian. White people are not all the same no more than Africans or Asians are, though those who would have us all destroyed would like to think we are, it makes their job much easier. The English have looked down on the French, the Austrians don't appreciate the Romanians, the Iranians don't like the Afgans, I take it the Greeks and Turks don't like each other, it's just how people are but we all need to rise above it, though that won't happen in this life.
Many forget - especially certain White groups that have moved up the social ladder and entered WASP society - that some WASPs (not all WASPS) viewed these White European as nothing more than white niggers. For example: Prohibition was largely pushed forward thanks to hatred of Germans and their love of beer and beer gardens - especially drinking beer on - gasps - Sundays! With their families all in the beer garden! Shocking!! Or the fact that the Irish were treated as worse than niggers in America. Why should I as a German or Irish help the group who once considered my people to be niggers as well? What is to stop the dominant white group from turning on my people - who may be Catholic as well as Irish/German/Italian AGAIN once they eliminate the Blacks and Hispanics? Why do you assume because we are white in America we have common cause when the dominant White group of the past - the WASPS did not view other whites as equals? Read the following: http://www.ency clopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/512.html Whole families met in brightly lit and comfortable pubs, and on Sundays women and children joined the men on excursions to the beer gardens. Much of this activity attracted criticism from Anglo-American elites, and the German American response to this criticism provided occasions for political organization along ethnic lines. Temperance and Sunday closing laws touched a similarly raw nerve, attacking fundamental issues of German sociability and way of life. Initially framed as a conflict between Anglo-American whiskey drinking and German beer culture, the liquor issue became a proxy for deeper ethnic divisions. Germans who allegedly wandered through the streets on Sundays, shouting, singing, and intimidating churchgoers and other pious citizens, were a thorn in the flesh of temperance advocates and church officials. German working men and women, who could meet with friends and fellow workers only on Saturday afternoons and on Sundays for leisure and pleasure, regarded the Sunday closing laws as an attack on their culturally specific habits and an infringement on their personal liberties and constitutional rights. For these working-class German Americans, Sunday closing merged class and ethnic interests more than any other issue.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Finally we're down to your total uselessness and purpose ... to impart a belief in left and right ... hahahahaha !!! I only wish you'd have "left" !
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
Was that a typo??? I figured you meant redheadedchickenchoker.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
An American culture is one without forced multicultural education with the presumption that all cultures are equal. They aren’t and scientific studies that suggest this should be embraced, rather than dismissed. An American culture is one where the Zionist Lobby doesn’t control our foreign policy by direct control over our elected representatives. We must recognize and oppose wars such as Iraq as being beneficial to Israel, and not America. An American culture is one where “Hate Speech” is a notion for enslaved nations. Am American culture is one where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson run from the law and not president. That WOULD be a good start!!! Then maybe we could work on a few more such as: An American culture is one which abides by and defends it's Constitution including the Bill of Rights An American culture is one in which it's elected officials recognize the fact that they work for us, NOT the other way around - and act accordingly by voting in Congress what their constituents' desire regardless of their personal whims. It also takes ACTION against TYRANTS that refuse to act this way. An American culture is one which does that which is best for it's own citizenry, and DOESN'T meddle in the affairs of other countries. An American culture is one that prohibits the practice of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto - as opposed to practicing all 10, just under a different name. WOW! This "America" sounds like a wonderful place!!! Can somebody please point me to it on a map??? I think I'd like to live there.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
You are making an awful lot of assumptions there sweet pea. Richard W.
Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago. All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture. IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within. I was searching last night for 'America as Hephzibah', and ran across another article, that reiterates my belief that America is the New Israel, and this excerpt reiterates your statement re the Christian values that used to define this country. I don't agree with everything the author says, but it was written in 1857, and a lot more has come to light since then. Basically, however, he matches Biblical prophecy to the founding of this country, and the purposes for which God founded it. It's still a work in progress, but anyone who is not as blind as a bat, should be able to see God's hand guiding and molding this nation from the beginning. ".....The United States of America is the nationality that is promised in the prophetic Scriptures to arise in the latter times as Israel Restored. It has long been a favorite theory, both with Jewish and Christian writers, that the nationality to be gathered together in the latter days, was understood to mean the returned or restoration of the scattered sons of Abraham to the land of Palestine. We are not surprised at the confidence with which this opinion has been entertained from age to age, because it is a legitimate a priori interpretation, seeing this nationality is called "Israel" by the prophets. In a conversation had with a venerable Bishop of the Episcopal Church, he inquired of us: "Sir, by what construction of language do you make the great nationality, promised to arise in the latter times, to mean the United States? That the Bible authorizes us to expect such a nationality there can be no doubt; but how do you make out that nationality to be the United States of America, as it was promised to be Israel?" To which we replied: "Beloved Bishop, the predictions of the prophets are put up in Hebrew dress; the regalia is Mosaic, the custom is Israelitish. They did not say, friends of civil and religious liberty, Americans, or even Christians; but they used the best terms they had on hand: they said 'Israel.'" Only doff the subject of its Jewish robes, and the symmetrical proportions and sublimity of Christian republicanism are as perfectly delineated as a Grecian pillar. But we will now show that what is reasonable and legitimate is a true principle of interpretation, being authorized by the great Teacher from heaven. Said the disciples to our Lord, "Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?" for it is written, "Behold, I will send Elijah the prophet, before that great and notable day of the Lord." Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist." Now, suppose the difficulty of the pious Bishop were proposed to our Lord: "Master, by what construction of language do you make out that John the Baptist, the son of Zacharias and Elizabeth, is indeed Elias the prophet, which was to come, seeing he is in reality another man altogether?" Does not the same difficulty exist in both cases; and has not our Lord, by answering the objection in one case, removed it in the other? John was "the Elias which was for to come;" not because that was the name by which he was called in his generation among men, but because he came "in the spirit and power of Elias," thereby answering the moral portrait that was drawn by the pencil of inspiration, and was, consequently, declared by the Savior to be indeed the Elias. If, therefore, a great nationality is promised to arise in the latter days, and the United States of America exhibits the character of such nationality, as delineated by the pen of prophecy, arising "in the spirit and power" of Israel to come, and no other nation under heaven ever has or ever can answer the description, then, perfect coincidence being perfect fulfillment, our glorious republic is the nationality which was to be gathered together in the latter times under the prophetic name of Israel. Let it be remembered, that the term Israel was a cognomen of honor, and not the natural right of a Jew. God gave the appellation to Jacob, because "as a prince he prevailed with God. "While the children of Jacob maintained their integrity, they enjoyed this high distinction; but St. Paul defends the application of the term to Gentiles who may possess the proper claims to this honor. [robin:] But perhaps the most plausible bill of exceptions taken to our theory is presented here. It is suggested, with much apparent reason, that we are too wicked and unworthy a people to bear the honored title of Israel. Alas for us, my countrymen! Heaven knows full well that we are wicked enough; for when we consider the special providence of Almighty God, marvelously exercised over us from the very infancy of our organization, through every change of fortune -- what prosperity has crowned our cause -- how we have been guided and guarded by a Divine supervision, as virtually present as the holy Shekinah, "in a cloud by day, and a pillar of fire by night" -- and then look at the abominations that pollute our national escutcheon, it is humiliating in the extreme. Look at the blasphemy that outrages the highest obligation of created beings, marring the purest language on earth, in desecrating the name of the holiest Being in the universe. Look at the violation of even heathen honest, discrediting character in almost all gradations of society. See the frenzy of political parties, disrupting the very bonds of brotherhood; while blood and debauchery infect the air and pollute the earth, bribery, homicide, and murder transpire in the very halls of our nation's councils. But bad as we are, fellow-citizens, we are the very best people upon the face of the earth. The great heart of our magnanimous country beats responsive to the sighs and sorrows of all nations. Our peaceful land is the hospitable home for the oppressed of all countries. Our laws are the transcript of eternal justice. True, we have neither titled dukes nor hereditary lords, but the emoluments of profit and honor are offered to the deserving of all classes, and our loftiest promotions are accessible to the humblest poor. Though denounced abroad by all aristocracy that dooms its own pauper millions to proscription, beggary, and starvation, yet our institutions, which they fain would pity, are the pulsations of health, compared with the plague- spots of pestilential Europe. Already have three hundred thousand of our African population become the Christianized children of God -- a greater number of true Christian converts, heathens as their fathers were who first came amongst us, than are to be found in all the missions of all denominations upon the earth. We have colonized a happy republic also, upon the benighted shores of their fatherland. Our ministers of mercy have gone to every heathen shore, and preached glad tidings to almost every island that dots the bosom of the ocean. Beams of light, radiating from this central home of civil and religious liberty, already break upon the distant millions that weep in the shadow of death. When the noble Greek is crushed by the hoof of Turkish despotism, the halls of our Senate are eloquent with a sympathy that responds in the bosom of a whole people. When Poland, Hungary, and Italy struggle and fall, the hope of the American people struggles and falls with them. When the cry of starvation is heard from ill-fated Ireland, American transports are freighted with the numificent offering of a generous people. And, moved by a magnanimity which knows no parallel, our swift ships are dispatched to recover England's lost navigators in the regions of eternal snow. We have the one living and true God, one Savior, and one religion -- one Constitution, one Confederacy, one Republic, one nationality; therefore, a true religion and a true civil government is the Israel that was to come, the "nation born at once" -- born on the 4th of July, 1776. But let us not be misled by the consecrated name of Israel. For "all are not Israel who are called Israel. **** "A nation possessing the true religion, and enjoying an enlightened and liberal civil government, may have many unbelieving and rebellious people in its midst; and, doubtless, millennial glory, and **** the day of judgment also, will find both the righteous and the wicked, the just and the unjust, the wise and the foolish virgins, for the wheat and tares will grow together until the general harvest, "which is the end of the world." Even Israel restored to nationality will not be the Eden of bliss. It was in the brightest days of the Hebrew nation when the tribes of Jacob were led out to the solitudes of the desert to behold the glory of God revealed upon the sacred mountain. Clouds of awful grandeur encircled its brow. Lightnings rent the mantle of the sky, and deep-toned thunders rocked Mount Sinai from its glowing summit to its granite base. Then, where was Israel -- God's own Israel? Behold him at the foot of the hill making a golden calf! By the term of Israel, therefore, we mean to be understood, a providential nation, possessing the only true religion, and a divinely sanctioned form of civil government. Such, with all its sunshine and shadows, was ancient Israel, and such is the United States of America, and the United States of America alone. As to the scattered Jews -- who have long since lost all genealogical proof of their respective tribes -- forming such great nationality any where, that is supremely ridiculous. That they may return to Jewry, we think highly probable; because every thing formerly connected with that nation was typical. Their fiftieth, or Jubal year, was a time when the scattered Jews returned to their respective homes, and were put in possession or seized of their patrimonial estates. This custom may anticipate the jubilee of the world; that is, when republicanism shall become world-wide. Then the Jews, in masses, may return to Canaan; for the Almighty by deed of gift made Abraham and his posterity proprietors of that land. They may return and form a little Christian republic in Palestine. But to become the great national headship of the world, restore temple worship and priestly offerings, with all the gorgeous paraphernalia of its ancient sacerctotal splendor, is but the pious dream of fanaticism. This simplicity and spirituality of the religion of the Son of God forbids the idea; while the burdensome rites of the Jewish ritual have long since been discarded by the unostentatious loveliness and grace of a Christianity that claims to worship the Father "in spirit and in truth." But even the supposition that they will return and form a literal government in their ancient home may be a mistake. For those prophecies that seem to refer to their literal restoration are interpreted by many worthy divines to foretell their conversion to their long-rejected Savior. This is indeed plausible. "In foreign climes they'll cease to roam' Nor weeping, think on Jordan's flood: In every land they'll find a home, In every temple worship God." And so must it be. But if the Almighty designed to honor a people by raising them to become a great nationality, of whom is it probable such nationality would be composed? Let this question be settled by a plain principle of Divine revelation. Who are the Jews? A persecuted and disbanded people. Why are they persecuted? For rejecting the claims of the Son of God. From his very birth to this day they have, as a nation, derided and discarded him. They sealed the dreadful imprecation at his crucifixion: "His blood be upon us, and on our children." But there is another persecuted people -- the friends of civil and religious liberty. They have been hunted down in every land, like the hart of the mountains. They have been proscribed and execrated, outraged and banished, in every age; and, for conscience' sake, have been martyred by the million. Why were they persecuted, "scattered, and peeled?" For accepting and acknowledging Jesus Christ. Here, then, is the difference. Now, apply an infallible principle which must test this question. Said the adorable Savior, "If any man serve me, him will my Father honor." Is it, then, at all probable that God would honor a people by the promised glorious nationality, who have, as a nation, spurned the mercy of the Prince of peace, and obstinately persisted, before the eyes of all nations, in rejecting the clearest evidence of his Messiahship, during the long, long night of their wanderings; and yet, at the same time, pass by a people who, through every change of fortune, propitious and adverse, have firmly maintained their faith in Christ, and invincibly breasted the storms of persecuting vengeance for his glorious name's sake? Will heaven honor a people who dishonor his Son, and overlook a people who were ready to live and labor and suffer and die in his blessed cause? The case being self-evident, and the rule to determine our judg ment infallible, the decision must be inevitable. Christianity mourns the ill-fated children of a divinely chosen and illustrious ancestry, and ardently prays for their conversion to Christ. But even this glorious consummation our faith beholds far in the distance. That the Jews will ultimately embrace Christianity, we entertain no doubt; but they will be the last nation on the face of the earth that will be converted. For "the blindness that has happened to Israel" will remain "until the fullness of the Gentiles is brought in." That is, the Gentile world will be converted to God before the blindness of infidelity will be removed from Israel. To suppose the conversion of the Jewish nation to be the means of converting the Gentile world, is, consequently, directly opposed by the words of the apostle. In their case we behold the verification of another gospel maxim: "the first shall be last, and the last first." They were the first to hear the blessed tidings of man's redemption from the lips of its glorious Author, "but they received him not." And the Apostle Paul, in his valedictory to his own countrymen, declares, "seeing that ye judge yourselves un worthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." So, also, the melting strains that mingled with the tears of the Son of God over their devoted city announced the same calamity. "0 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wing, and ye would not . . . If thou hadst known, even thou, the things which belong unto thy peace, at least in this thy day, but now are they hid from thine eyes... Henceforth is your house left unto you desolate; for I say unto you, ye shall not see me henceforth till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." That is, Ye shall see me no more until you will be rejoiced to hail me as your Messiah. This is, doubtless, its true meaning. There are very many passages of Scripture which are universally admitted by the learned and judicious to foretell the rise of a great nationality in the latter times. These predictions cannot, by any reasonable construction, be applied to the rise of such nationality in the land of Judea; but are most wonderfully descriptive of the United States of America, and of no other country under heaven.........." http://www.ori ginofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm ....and for the folks who don't like being persecuted for their race, Irish, German, Italian, etc., but feel like they should denigrate others for being "niggers", Mongols, and the like, they should know that God's plan for America includes ALL the races [John 3:16/Gal. 3:16-29/Rev. 5:9-10], and anyone who doesn't like it, will have to get over it, or be forced to find a new home when He takes over. Wait till you get to the part about the North American Union! I knew it....it's all part of God's plan: "Judge nothing till the LORD come.....and all will have praise of God." ".....Third. That wonderful country was to be inhabited by a people "gathered out of the nations. "Ezekiel 38. Not of one nation collected together that had been scattered amongst other nations, but, what is obviously the sense of the passage, composed of people of different nations. This is so prominent a character of the glorious nationality to come, that the prophets seem to dwell upon it with rapture and inspired eloquence. "Lift up thine eyes round about, and see,' all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters be nursed by thy side. Then thou shall see, and flow together and thy heart shall fear, and be enlarged; for the abundance of the sea shall be converted (turned) unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee ... Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as doves to their windows?" The prophet enriches his sublime description by images drawn both from the animal and the vegetable kingdom: "The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee .... The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together. "Isaiah 40. As if the holy seer had said, Emigration shall come from the land where the dromedaries roam; they shall come from the land where the fir tree blooms. "Therefore thy gates shall be open continualy: they shall not be shut day nor night." Did ever such a tide of emigration set into any country since the creation of the world as continually swarms to our hospitable shores'?. Indeed, the citizens of these States, or their fathers, have come from every country under heaven. But the prophet enters into detail. "Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers ... And the sons of strangers shall build your walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee." Now, the walls of a country's defense are its public improvements; and it is notorious that the sons of strangers build most of our public works. " The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at thy feet." [my note: see Rev. 3:9] The sons of the very soldierly that invaded your coasts, murdered your people, and burnt your towns and villages, should come to make your country their home; and those who sneered at your experiment of popular freedom, attempted to crush it in the cradle, predicted the downfall of American Independence, and that liberty would die with Washington, and with his dust receive the same rites of sepulture - yes, even they should come and seek a refuse and a home in your happy land. How imposing the picture drawn by the pencil of inspiration here; and how wonderfully true in its fulfillment. [here it comes: The North-South American Union, and immigration policy according to God - everyone is not gonna like this:] Fourth. In the promised nationality, unlike the political economy of ancient Israel, foreigners were to be allowed a place to dwell, enjoy their homes and the pursuits of happiness in common with the citizens of the country; but it seems from the prophet, the rights of suffrage and eligibility of office were only to be enjoyed by those strangers who had lived long enough in the land to raise their native-born children: "And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. Ezekiel 47:22,23 There could be no propriety in characterizing the class of foreigners who should be blessed with children born in the land, from the stranger who is only a sojourner, whose residence is but recent and transient, unless peculiar privileges were understood to belong to the fathers of native-born children. As we lay no claims to the politician, we will be allowed strongly to approve of this interesting feature in the economy of restored Israel. Our land should always be the welcome home of foreigners; but, at the same time, they should remain long enough to appreciate our blessings, learn our laws, and the genius of our wonderful constitution, before they aspire to dictate or to govern. Fifth. The principle of extension, in enlarging the boundaries of their primary possessions should specially characterize the prosperity of the promised nationality. "Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee ... For thy waste and desolate places shall even now be too narrow, by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up (the autocracy of the Old World) shall be far away, (beyond the sea.) The children which thou shalt have, (in this land,) after thou hast lost the other, (ancient Israel,) shall say again in thy ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell." Isaiah 49:18, 20. Extension seems to be the genius of our free institutions. From thirteen States, we have already multiplied into thirty-one, besides nine territories that soon will be ready to enter into the Union. **** We need give ourselves no uneasiness about Mexico, Cuba, and Central America. Monarchy and anarchy must melt away in the immediate proximity of a glorious republic: while the natural interests of those countries will impel them to seek annexation, that they may also enjoy in common with us the benign blessings of our happy confederacy, **** Indeed, the words of prophecy, legitimately interpreted, warrant that the domain of this nationality will embrace the entire continent of North and South America. For its "dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. "We know this passage is usually applied to Christ, to which we make no objection. But will you restrict it to him? If so, you greatly diminish the universal triumphs of his reign. We are taught that his sway shall be illimitable, and every knee shall bow and pay homage to him. But the passage before us is a clear territorial grant, issued by Divine authority, and must mark the boundaries of Israel that was to come. The geographical description can be found applicable to no other country but ours. Here the grant finds all of its metes and bounds. "From sea to sea;" from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. '!And from the river:" the Mississippi, the father of waters, with its sixty thousand miles of tributary navigation, and the incalculable tonnage of its transports. "Unto the ends of the earth.'" **** to the most remote promontories in the North, and to Terra del Fuego and Cape Horn in the South. We must be excused from dwelling further on the emigration that was to come to this land. These predictions are very numerous and wonderfully accurate -- inspired predictions, that never have been realized, and never can be, unless they are fulfilled in the New World. We will, however, notice one other. Behold, these shall come from far; and, lo, these from the North and from the West; and these from the land of Sinim." Isaiah 49:12. Now, all commentators agree that "Sinim" is China. The fact is, it was its true ancient name: Thinim, Thina, or China. It is so put down in the ancient maps. And China lies "north" and "west," or north-west of us. In the message of Ex- Governor Bigler, of California, some two years ago, it is there published that there were then some sixty thousand Chinese in that State. Now, no commentator questions that this passage describes emigration coming to the land of restored Israel, for the whole continent comfirms it. But how are the Chinese to come from China to Palestine and come from the north-west? It is impossible. **** Here is a promise made of emigration from a distant country, whose inhabitants have never been known to mingle with other nations; here their true ancient name is given; here is the very direction which they were to come; and here is a fulfillment upon a most magnificent scale. Perfect coincidence being perfect fulfillment, our position is demonstration. [here comes Ezekiel 38-39/Rev. 20:7-20, my first post on the thread, but not, Russia, so much as the antiChrist Jews and their confederacy:] Sixth. The land of restored Israel is described as a country restored from its desolations, by the peculiar construction of its towns and villages, and the prosperity and quietude of its inhabitants. In the invasion of this land, at the last great battle, by Russia and the autocracy of the Old World, the prophet thus addresses the power that leads that invasion: "After many days thou shalt be visited: thou shalt come into tile land that is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste; but it is brought out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them ... Thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of un walled villages,' I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates. To take a spoil, and to take a prey;' to turn thy hand upon the desolate place that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations; which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. "Ezekiel 38.'8, 11, 12. Here, my countrymen, is almost a daguerreotype portraiture of your own land. We very much question whether Ezekiel, the prophet ever saw an "unwalled" city in his life. Surely, if old Palestine is to be brought back again to her more than ancient splendor, "unwalled" cities and villages will not be found there. This passage, therefore, can never be applied to Judea; for all her cities were walled, from Jericho to Jerusalem. This remarkable description of the numerous villages and cities, and the possessions, prosperity, and security of the people, is a grand and graphic delineation of the United States of America, and of no other country on earth............." The United States Of America Foretold In The Holy Scriptures by Rev. F. E. Pitts Feb. 22 and 23, 1857 http://www.ori ginofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm I still contend there is a difference between AMERICA [Ezekiel 17:1-6] and the Corporation known as the UNITED STATES [Ezekiel 17:7-10/Mat. 15:13 ]. The United States was still perceived as being "good" in the days this was written, but that was before the leaven of the Pharisees leavened the whole lump, and before they defiled America [Micah 4:11]. [Diana #280]: "....if you watch tv or read the news or read magazines like The Week, it's quite obvious there's a war on traditional American values. We now have ubiquitous porn to demonize women, which used to be hard to find due to obscenity laws, we have tv shows such as CSI where the bad guys are too easy to spot as they are over-whelmingly white people with fair coloring, it's insulting, and you can't blame a whole race of people for crimes commited in the past by some of their members. I believe all people matter equally, that God loves all people, we all have a soul and should be treated with dignity. Perhaps you don't believe that and you are projecting your own prejudices onto me. I'm not a "white supremecist" just because I don't like what I see happening in this country, the degradation of all things held sacred, the attempted abolishment and ridicule of Christian ways, the demonizing of white Americans through history, even though in all people's history there are some dark areas, but the whole race's negative traits are screamed from rooftops these days.........." well said, Diana.
btw, I didn't find mention of Hephzibah, until the very bottom of the article: "....Preserved as "an handful of corn scattered on the summit of the mountains, a little one has become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation." "It is the Lord's doings, and marvelous in our eyes;" for according to his promise, "the Lord has hastened it in his time." 0 happy America! O favored children of the free! when will the great heart of they mighty people fully know God and the salvation of his Son! "Then Gentiles and kings shall see thy glory, and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken: neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee. "Then shall thy glory continue; for "Thy sun shall no more go down, neither shall thy moon withdraw itself; for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended." + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4 http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4 ============================================
sorry....meant to send that to you, as well.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd here you see what happens when potty training goes badly.
#251. To: rowdee (#248)
Diana, I think you missed the tongue in his cheek. This person would not admit he/she/it could be wrong if his/hers/its life depended upon such confession.
#252. To: christine, destro, rowdee, Diana (#246)
i just perused the latest posts on LF. i don't see that they've got posted any better quality or quantity of articles than we have here.
#253. To: rowdee (#250)
And here you see what happens when potty training goes badly.
#254. To: Diana (#249)
#255. To: Diana (#249)
I saw 5th grade and 7th grade textbooks recently and they presented the idea of white man as racist and destroyer.
#256. To: Diana (#251)
I'll have to look for that again, perhaps I read it too quickly.
#257. To: Arete, Diana, christine, rowdee (#255)
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I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is.
#258. To: Arete (#255)
Well, I suppose if you are a native American kid sitting in a reservation school, that wouldn't be much of a reach, now would it. However, that is besides the point. I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is.
#259. To: HOUNDDAWG, Arete (#257)
It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress".
#260. To: Diana, rowdee, HOUNDDAWG (#259)
#261. To: Diana, all (#259)
For anyone to ask that the our American Culture be defined in a few sentences, misses the point. The change to it has taken decades, so some here (given their age) might not have an historical perspective of what we lived thru. Here are a few things I'd like to see corrected/restored:
#262. To: Arete (#255)
#263. To: robin, rowdee, Kamala (#242)
BTW, there have been long threads on 9/11 from which many, many excellent points were made that Destro never responded to,
#264. To: Jethro Tull, robin, HOUNDDAWG (#261)
The change to it has taken decades, so some here (given their age) might not have an historical perspective of what we lived thru.
#265. To: Destro (#263)
#266. To: Destro (#263)
At this point if this was a dive bar the beer bottle would be smashed.
#267. To: Diana (#264)
Well if I were really 138 years old like Redheadedstrangerwomanhater claims
#268. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, rowdee, Diana, swarthyguy (#252)
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I've known who he is from LF for quite some time and to me he was an inconsequential little twit. (even though his screen name was familiar to me for a long time I had not the faintest clue what if anything he stood for there. I see now that he was too intimidated to show his ass then.)
#269. To: Diana, rowdee, Jethro Tull, christine (#258)
#270. To: HOUNDDAWG, Arete, Diana, christine, rowdee (#257)
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It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress".
#271. To: Destro (#263)
BTW, there have been long threads on 9/11 from which many, many excellent points were made that Destro never responded to,
#272. To: rowdee (#271)
There you go again.......Destro. I do not get involved with the 9/ll threads, so why drag my name into this issue, for cryin out loud. You've been scolded once for dragging another poster into a topic on which they had not commented.
#273. To: HOUNDDAWG (#269)
#274. To: Destro (#272)
#275. To: Diana (#258)
Okey, I have written this absurd post for you
#276. To: Diana (#262)
So now you disappear after all that?
#277. To: Destro (#154)
I just resigned from the GOP and became a registered independent.
#278. To: PnbC (#277)
#279. To: robin (#260)
Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago.
#280. To: Arete, All (#275)
Okey, I have written this absurd post for you
#281. To: HOUNDDAWG, Arete (#269)
I don't mind explaining but, let's agree not to try to convert any indigenous or peregrine "natives", Mongols, bushmen or semi-Asiatics because they just don't have the genetic equipment to grasp the concept of freedom, morality or spiritual rewards with little tangible mass.
#282. To: Destro (#270)
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Including those Europeans the previous White Americans (WASPS) treated like subhumans like the Irish and Italians and Germans?
#283. To: Diana, Jethro Tull, robin, HOUNDDAWG (#282)
Including those Europeans the previous White Americans (WASPS) treated like subhumans like the Irish and Italians and Germans?
#284. To: Destro (#150)
I agree - that is a problem with the left - PC.
#285. To: Jethro Tull (#267)
redheadedchickenplucker
#286. To: Jethro Tull (#261)
Here are a few things I'd like to see corrected/restored:
#287. To: Diana (#280)
You can look your nose down at me, report me to the ADL or whatever it is people like you do, but you can't change facts, and you can't deny this insulting process is taking place. I think you are very dogmatic in your thinking and closed-minded as well. We'll all find out the truth in the end.
#288. To: robin, Diana, rowdee, HOUNDDAWG, Destro, noone222 (#260)
#289. To: Jethro Tull (#288)
#290. To: robin, Diana, christine, lodwick, Red Jones, noone222 (#289)
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