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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

Those who use biblical prophecy especially those that insert 'Ezekiel' into their forum responses to explain today's events need to be stoned with big rocks.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-23   9:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

With what they say is going to happen to everyone else, you're letting them off easy.

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:43:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.

YES! And don't forget a book burning (please include all the versions they squabble over)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   9:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm tired of their petty squabbles, but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

What I think would be even worse is the knowledge that their ashes would be buried with a Koran.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   9:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but I really don't want to burn a Bible.

Well, with these head cases it all depends on *which* bible is burnt. Apparently there are different versions and only THEY know the one which is real. As I said, they exhibit overt mental illness.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   10:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

-Blackeagle

blackeagle  posted on  2007-01-23   10:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

To: Jethro Tull You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

The Catholics you describe are more the exception than the mainstream, unless the church has turned into some kind of holy roller hang out since I was last there as a "regular."

I'm not sure what state you live in - if it's a Southern state maybe the Catholics got infected with the Bible Belt disease or something - but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

As for priests molesters - that was very ugly - but the percentage of priests who molested was similar to other church's clerics or so I've read - what was bad was the Catholic church tried to cover it up. Also the priest molestation thingie was primarily isolated to American Catholic churches for some peculiar reason.

As for money grubbing priests - the Catholic church is no different from other religions and certainly no worse than most.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   11:57:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

I'm in the same boat as you, scrapper. What got me started on this rant is the outright hatred some otherwise kindred spirits have toward anything Catholic. The Catholics I know would stand with us on most issues, while never discussing religion. Who and what people choose to hold close is their business. IMHO, some people in this community of ours place religion and obscure conspiracies over the current events that are actively altering our culture and country. They divide rather than unify, and I find it impossible to keep quiet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:33:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick.

The Catholic leadership in S. California - Cardinal Mahoney - has been getting lots of publicity lately - pleading the case for Hispanic illegals - no secret why - Hispanics are Catholics. Also most Catholics I know are Democrats - and the Democrat Party itself is big on illegals - future Democrat voters, but not because Catholics exert any power within the Party - rather because of the party's self-serving reasons.

Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   15:12:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational).

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones.

i'm in complete agreement with you on that one.

christine  posted on  2007-01-24   17:42:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Economic reasons are the only reasons I see posted here.

robin  posted on  2007-01-24   17:45:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Economic reasons are the only reasons I see posted here.

I'll admit to being somewhat sad that the culture we knew is going, going, gone.

It's okey and even encouraged for other minorities and ethnic groups to embrace their cultures, but if white people want to hold onto their's they are deemed biased, ignorant rednecks.

I'm tired of labels and accusations and pretension, we should not have to give in by being labeled as stupid and evil if we don't like our culture being destroyed and ridiculed.

Blacks are encouraged to embrace black culture, Jews embrace their culture and heritage, Asians the same and so on, but if white Americans want to retain their culture they get called racist and bigoted and to avoid being labeled as such they end up denying their own identity in order to fit in.

It shouldn't have to be that way.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-26   5:50:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

if white Americans want to retain their culture they get called racist and bigoted

Just what culture is that?

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-26   9:32:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just what culture is that?

A few weeks before Christmas I was standing in line at the post office with a friend, she was in front of me and wanted to buy stamps. When she got to the counter she told the woman she wanted to buy some Christmas stamps. The postal worker woman told her they didn't have any this year, they only had Kwanzaa and Hanukkah stamps. My friend just stood there for a moment looking puzzled and then said nevermind and ended up not buying any stamps. She's Eskimo but they tend to be Christians and celebrate Christmas.

All cultures matter and are important, but there's no good reason to kill off any of them, including traditional European Americana, for all it's good or bad depending on anyone's viewpoint.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-26   11:19:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A few weeks before Christmas I was standing in line at the post office with a friend, she was in front of me and wanted to buy stamps. When she got to the counter she told the woman she wanted to buy some Christmas stamps. The postal worker woman told her they didn't have any this year, they only had Kwanzaa and Hanukkah stamps. My friend just stood there for a moment looking puzzled and then said nevermind and ended up not buying any stamps. She's Eskimo but they tend to be Christians and celebrate Christmas.

All cultures matter and are important, but there's no good reason to kill off any of them, including traditional European Americana, for all it's good or bad depending on anyone's viewpoint.

That's it? White American culture is celebrating Christmas? Holy shit, no wonder I couldn't figure it out.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-26   11:34:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's it? White American culture is celebrating Christmas? Holy shit, no wonder I couldn't figure it out.

Richard W.

No, that was just an example I was giving you of how traditional American values and customs are being blotted out.

On the post before that I answered your question. I can tell you some things about traditional south Louisiana culture from the old days, but somehow I don't think you're really interested in that.

I'm not passing any kind of judgement on other cultures, none, they are all interesting and tell the story of the various groups of mankind. However to destroy a culture, to blot out it's memory, is too much like an attempt to blot out a people.

Look at any modern public school history textbook, many famous white men of the past are portrayed as bad men, as racists, with their accomplishments nowhere to be seen. I saw 5th grade and 7th grade textbooks recently and they presented the idea of white man as racist and destroyer. There are too many signs pointing to intentions to bring down people with European DNA, that does not make me a bigot, though in your mind it may, but I don't believe in genocide in any form, that's my point.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-26   11:53:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I saw 5th grade and 7th grade textbooks recently and they presented the idea of white man as racist and destroyer.

Well, I suppose if you are a native American kid sitting in a reservation school, that wouldn't be much of a reach, now would it. However, that is besides the point. I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-26   12:28:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is.

Richard W.

It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress".

The enemies of white America seem to want to prosper by stealth, collectivist swindle or force. The notion that honest labor is its own reward is thought to be madness in the Marxist circles where your anti white views were heaved up.

Indeed the very concept of justice as it can only be rationally defined (by Thos. Jefferson, not Judge Bruce Takasugi) is the product of Anglo-European jurisprudence. No African, Asian or swarthy peoples ever conceived of such a thing nor could they, lacking the necessary genes or intelligence to survive without avarice and plunder.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-01-26   13:02:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress".

Thankyou, you did better than I could, I was trying to be too literal.

But I think HONESTY and a sense of awe and appreciation and cooperation sums that up nicely.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-26   13:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago.

All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture.

IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within.

robin  posted on  2007-01-26   13:29:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago.

All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture.

IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within.

I was searching last night for 'America as Hephzibah', and ran across another article, that reiterates my belief that America is the New Israel, and this excerpt reiterates your statement re the Christian values that used to define this country. I don't agree with everything the author says, but it was written in 1857, and a lot more has come to light since then. Basically, however, he matches Biblical prophecy to the founding of this country, and the purposes for which God founded it. It's still a work in progress, but anyone who is not as blind as a bat, should be able to see God's hand guiding and molding this nation from the beginning.

".....The United States of America is the nationality that is promised in the prophetic Scriptures to arise in the latter times as Israel Restored. It has long been a favorite theory, both with Jewish and Christian writers, that the nationality to be gathered together in the latter days, was understood to mean the returned or restoration of the scattered sons of Abraham to the land of Palestine.

We are not surprised at the confidence with which this opinion has been entertained from age to age, because it is a legitimate a priori interpretation, seeing this nationality is called "Israel" by the prophets.

In a conversation had with a venerable Bishop of the Episcopal Church, he inquired of us: "Sir, by what construction of language do you make the great nationality, promised to arise in the latter times, to mean the United States? That the Bible authorizes us to expect such a nationality there can be no doubt; but how do you make out that nationality to be the United States of America, as it was promised to be Israel?" To which we replied: "Beloved Bishop, the predictions of the prophets are put up in Hebrew dress; the regalia is Mosaic, the custom is Israelitish. They did not say, friends of civil and religious liberty, Americans, or even Christians; but they used the best terms they had on hand: they said 'Israel.'"

Only doff the subject of its Jewish robes, and the symmetrical proportions and sublimity of Christian republicanism are as perfectly delineated as a Grecian pillar. But we will now show that what is reasonable and legitimate is a true principle of interpretation, being authorized by the great Teacher from heaven.

Said the disciples to our Lord, "Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?" for it is written, "Behold, I will send Elijah the prophet, before that great and notable day of the Lord." Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

Now, suppose the difficulty of the pious Bishop were proposed to our Lord: "Master, by what construction of language do you make out that John the Baptist, the son of Zacharias and Elizabeth, is indeed Elias the prophet, which was to come, seeing he is in reality another man altogether?"

Does not the same difficulty exist in both cases; and has not our Lord, by answering the objection in one case, removed it in the other? John was "the Elias which was for to come;" not because that was the name by which he was called in his generation among men, but because he came "in the spirit and power of Elias," thereby answering the moral portrait that was drawn by the pencil of inspiration, and was, consequently, declared by the Savior to be indeed the Elias.

If, therefore, a great nationality is promised to arise in the latter days, and the United States of America exhibits the character of such nationality, as delineated by the pen of prophecy, arising "in the spirit and power" of Israel to come, and no other nation under heaven ever has or ever can answer the description, then, perfect coincidence being perfect fulfillment, our glorious republic is the nationality which was to be gathered together in the latter times under the prophetic name of Israel.

Let it be remembered, that the term Israel was a cognomen of honor, and not the natural right of a Jew. God gave the appellation to Jacob, because "as a prince he prevailed with God. "While the children of Jacob maintained their integrity, they enjoyed this high distinction; but St. Paul defends the application of the term to Gentiles who may possess the proper claims to this honor.

[robin:]

But perhaps the most plausible bill of exceptions taken to our theory is presented here. It is suggested, with much apparent reason, that we are too wicked and unworthy a people to bear the honored title of Israel. Alas for us, my countrymen! Heaven knows full well that we are wicked enough; for when we consider the special providence of Almighty God, marvelously exercised over us from the very infancy of our organization, through every change of fortune -- what prosperity has crowned our cause -- how we have been guided and guarded by a Divine supervision, as virtually present as the holy Shekinah, "in a cloud by day, and a pillar of fire by night" -- and then look at the abominations that pollute our national escutcheon, it is humiliating in the extreme.

Look at the blasphemy that outrages the highest obligation of created beings, marring the purest language on earth, in desecrating the name of the holiest Being in the universe. Look at the violation of even heathen honest, discrediting character in almost all gradations of society. See the frenzy of political parties, disrupting the very bonds of brotherhood; while blood and debauchery infect the air and pollute the earth, bribery, homicide, and murder transpire in the very halls of our nation's councils.

But bad as we are, fellow-citizens, we are the very best people upon the face of the earth. The great heart of our magnanimous country beats responsive to the sighs and sor­rows of all nations. Our peaceful land is the hospitable home for the oppressed of all countries. Our laws are the transcript of eternal justice. True, we have neither titled dukes nor hereditary lords, but the emoluments of profit and honor are offered to the deserving of all classes, and our loftiest promotions are accessible to the humblest poor.

Though denounced abroad by all aristocracy that dooms its own pauper millions to proscription, beggary, and starvation, yet our institutions, which they fain would pity, are the pulsations of health, com­pared with the plague- spots of pestilential Europe.

Already have three hundred thousand of our African population become the Christianized children of God -- a greater number of true Christian converts, heathens as their fathers were who first came amongst us, than are to be found in all the missions of all denominations upon the earth. We have colonized a happy republic also, upon the benighted shores of their fatherland. Our ministers of mercy have gone to every heathen shore, and preached glad tidings to almost every island that dots the bosom of the ocean. Beams of light, radiating from this central home of civil and religious liberty, already break upon the distant millions that weep in the shadow of death.

When the noble Greek is crushed by the hoof of Turkish despotism, the halls of our Senate are eloquent with a sympathy that responds in the bosom of a whole people. When Poland, Hungary, and Italy struggle and fall, the hope of the American people struggles and falls with them. When the cry of starvation is heard from ill-fated Ireland, American transports are freighted with the numificent offering of a generous people. And, moved by a magnanimity which knows no parallel, our swift ships are dispatched to recover England's lost navigators in the regions of eternal snow.

We have the one living and true God, one Savior, and one religion -- one Constitution, one Confederacy, one Republic, one nationality; therefore, a true religion and a true civil government is the Israel that was to come, the "nation born at once" -- born on the 4th of July, 1776.

But let us not be misled by the consecrated name of Israel. For "all are not Israel who are called Israel. **** "A nation possessing the true religion, and enjoying an enlightened and liberal civil government, may have many unbelieving and rebellious people in its midst; and, doubtless, millennial glory, and **** the day of judgment also, will find both the righteous and the wicked, the just and the unjust, the wise and the foolish virgins, for the wheat and tares will grow together until the general harvest, "which is the end of the world." Even Israel restored to nationality will not be the Eden of bliss.

It was in the brightest days of the Hebrew nation when the tribes of Jacob were led out to the solitudes of the desert to behold the glory of God revealed upon the sacred mountain. Clouds of awful grandeur encircled its brow. Lightnings rent the mantle of the sky, and deep-toned thunders rocked Mount Sinai from its glowing summit to its granite base. Then, where was Israel -- God's own Israel? Behold him at the foot of the hill making a golden calf!

By the term of Israel, therefore, we mean to be understood, a providential nation, possessing the only true religion, and a divinely sanctioned form of civil government. Such, with all its sunshine and shadows, was ancient Israel, and such is the United States of America, and the United States of America alone.

As to the scattered Jews -- who have long since lost all genealogical proof of their respective tribes -- forming such great nationality any where, that is supremely ridiculous. That they may return to Jewry, we think highly probable; because every thing formerly connected with that nation was typical. Their fiftieth, or Jubal year, was a time when the scattered Jews returned to their respective homes, and were put in possession or seized of their patrimonial estates. This custom may anticipate the jubilee of the world; that is, when republicanism shall become world-wide. Then the Jews, in masses, may return to Canaan; for the Almighty by deed of gift made Abraham and his posterity proprietors of that land.

They may return and form a little Christian republic in Palestine. But to become the great national headship of the world, restore temple worship and priestly offerings, with all the gorgeous paraphernalia of its ancient sacerctotal splendor, is but the pious dream of fanaticism. This simplicity and spirituality of the religion of the Son of God forbids the idea; while the burdensome rites of the Jewish ritual have long since been discarded by the unostentatious loveliness and grace of a Christianity that claims to worship the Father "in spirit and in truth."

But even the supposition that they will return and form a literal government in their ancient home may be a mistake. For those prophecies that seem to refer to their literal restoration are interpreted by many worthy divines to foretell their conversion to their long-rejected Savior. This is indeed plausible.

"In foreign climes they'll cease to roam'

Nor weeping, think on Jordan's flood:

In every land they'll find a home,

In every temple worship God."

And so must it be. But if the Almighty designed to honor a people by raising them to become a great nationality, of whom is it probable such nationality would be composed? Let this question be settled by a plain principle of Divine revelation. Who are the Jews? A persecuted and disbanded people. Why are they persecuted? For rejecting the claims of the Son of God. From his very birth to this day they have, as a nation, derided and discarded him. They sealed the dreadful imprecation at his crucifixion: "His blood be upon us, and on our children."

But there is another persecuted people -- the friends of civil and religious liberty. They have been hunted down in every land, like the hart of the mountains. They have been proscribed and execrated, outraged and banished, in every age; and, for conscience' sake, have been martyred by the million. Why were they persecuted, "scattered, and peeled?" For accepting and acknowledging Jesus Christ. Here, then, is the difference. Now, apply an infallible principle which must test this question. Said the adorable Savior, "If any man serve me, him will my Father honor."

Is it, then, at all probable that God would honor a people by the promised glorious nationality, who have, as a nation, spurned the mercy of the Prince of peace, and obstinately per­sisted, before the eyes of all nations, in rejecting the clearest evidence of his Messiahship, during the long, long night of their wanderings; and yet, at the same time, pass by a people who, through every change of fortune, propitious and adverse, have firmly maintained their faith in Christ, and in­vincibly breasted the storms of persecuting vengeance for his glorious name's sake? Will heaven honor a people who dishonor his Son, and overlook a people who were ready to live and labor and suffer and die in his blessed cause? The case being self-evident, and the rule to determine our judg­ ment infallible, the decision must be inevitable.

Christianity mourns the ill-fated children of a divinely chosen and illustrious ancestry, and ardently prays for their conversion to Christ. But even this glorious consummation our faith beholds far in the distance. That the Jews will ultimately embrace Christianity, we entertain no doubt; but they will be the last nation on the face of the earth that will be converted. For "the blindness that has happened to Israel" will remain "until the fullness of the Gentiles is brought in." That is, the Gentile world will be converted to God before the blindness of infidelity will be removed from Israel. To suppose the conversion of the Jewish nation to be the means of converting the Gentile world, is, consequently, directly opposed by the words of the apostle. In their case we behold the verification of another gospel maxim: "the first shall be last, and the last first." They were the first to hear the blessed tidings of man's redemption from the lips of its glorious Author, "but they received him not."

And the Apostle Paul, in his valedictory to his own countrymen, declares, "seeing that ye judge yourselves un worthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." So, also, the melting strains that mingled with the tears of the Son of God over their devoted city announced the same calamity. "0 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wing, and ye would not . . . If thou hadst known, even thou, the things which belong unto thy peace, at least in this thy day, but now are they hid from thine eyes... Henceforth is your house left unto you desolate; for I say unto you, ye shall not see me henceforth till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." That is, Ye shall see me no more until you will be rejoiced to hail me as your Messiah. This is, doubtless, its true meaning.

There are very many passages of Scripture which are universally admitted by the learned and judicious to foretell the rise of a great nationality in the latter times. These predictions cannot, by any reasonable construction, be applied to the rise of such nationality in the land of Judea; but are most wonderfully descriptive of the United States of America, and of no other country under heaven.........."

http://www.ori ginofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm

....and for the folks who don't like being persecuted for their race, Irish, German, Italian, etc., but feel like they should denigrate others for being "niggers", Mongols, and the like, they should know that God's plan for America includes ALL the races [John 3:16/Gal. 3:16-29/Rev. 5:9-10], and anyone who doesn't like it, will have to get over it, or be forced to find a new home when He takes over. Wait till you get to the part about the North American Union! I knew it....it's all part of God's plan: "Judge nothing till the LORD come.....and all will have praise of God."

".....Third. That wonderful country was to be inhabited by a people "gathered out of the nations. "Ezekiel 38. Not of one nation collected together that had been scattered amongst other nations, but, what is obviously the sense of the passage, composed of people of different nations. This is so prominent a character of the glorious nationality to come, that the prophets seem to dwell upon it with rapture and inspired eloquence. "Lift up thine eyes round about, and see,' all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters be nursed by thy side. Then thou shall see, and flow together and thy heart shall fear, and be enlarged; for the abundance of the sea shall be converted (turned) unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee ... Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as doves to their windows?"

The prophet enriches his sublime description by images drawn both from the animal and the vegetable kingdom: "The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee .... The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together. "Isaiah 40. As if the holy seer had said, Emigration shall come from the land where the dromedaries roam; they shall come from the land where the fir tree blooms. "Therefore thy gates shall be open continualy: they shall not be shut day nor night."

Did ever such a tide of emigration set into any country since the creation of the world as continually swarms to our hospitable shores'?. Indeed, the citizens of these States, or their fathers, have come from every country under heaven. But the prophet enters into detail. "Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers ... And the sons of strangers shall build your walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee." Now, the walls of a country's defense are its public improvements; and it is notorious that the sons of strangers build most of our public works.

" The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at thy feet." [my note: see Rev. 3:9] The sons of the very soldierly that invaded your coasts, murdered your people, and burnt your towns and villages, should come to make your country their home; and those who sneered at your experiment of popular freedom, attempted to crush it in the cradle, predicted the downfall of American Independence, and that liberty would die with Washington, and with his dust receive the same rites of sepulture - yes, even they should come and seek a refuse and a home in your happy land. How imposing the picture drawn by the pencil of inspiration here; and how wonderfully true in its fulfillment.

[here it comes: The North-South American Union, and immigration policy according to God - everyone is not gonna like this:]

Fourth. In the promised nationality, unlike the political economy of ancient Israel, foreigners were to be allowed a place to dwell, enjoy their homes and the pursuits of happiness in common with the citizens of the country; but it seems from the prophet, the rights of suffrage and eligibility of office were only to be enjoyed by those strangers who had lived long enough in the land to raise their native-born children: "And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. Ezekiel 47:22,23

There could be no propriety in characterizing the class of foreigners who should be blessed with children born in the land, from the stranger who is only a sojourner, whose residence is but recent and transient, unless peculiar privileges were understood to belong to the fathers of native-born children. As we lay no claims to the politician, we will be allowed strongly to approve of this interesting feature in the economy of restored Israel. Our land should always be the welcome home of foreigners; but, at the same time, they should remain long enough to appreciate our blessings, learn our laws, and the genius of our wonderful constitution, before they aspire to dictate or to govern.

Fifth. The principle of extension, in enlarging the boundaries of their primary possessions should specially characterize the prosperity of the promised nationality.

"Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee ... For thy waste and desolate places shall even now be too narrow, by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up (the autocracy of the Old World) shall be far away, (beyond the sea.) The children which thou shalt have, (in this land,) after thou hast lost the other, (ancient Israel,) shall say again in thy ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell." Isaiah 49:18, 20.

Extension seems to be the genius of our free institutions. From thirteen States, we have already multiplied into thirty-one, besides nine territories that soon will be ready to enter into the Union.

**** We need give ourselves no uneasiness about Mexico, Cuba, and Central America. Monarchy and anarchy must melt away in the immediate proximity of a glorious republic: while the natural interests of those countries will impel them to seek annexation, that they may also enjoy in common with us the benign blessings of our happy confederacy, **** Indeed, the words of prophecy, legitimately interpreted, warrant that the domain of this nationality will embrace the entire continent of North and South America. For its "dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. "We know this passage is usually applied to Christ, to which we make no objection. But will you restrict it to him? If so, you greatly diminish the universal triumphs of his reign. We are taught that his sway shall be illimitable, and every knee shall bow and pay homage to him.

But the passage before us is a clear territorial grant, issued by Divine authority, and must mark the boundaries of Israel that was to come. The geographical description can be found applicable to no other country but ours. Here the grant finds all of its metes and bounds. "From sea to sea;" from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. '!And from the river:" the Mississippi, the father of waters, with its sixty thousand miles of tributary navigation, and the incalculable tonnage of its transports. "Unto the ends of the earth.'" **** to the most remote promontories in the North, and to Terra del Fuego and Cape Horn in the South. We must be excused from dwelling further on the emigration that was to come to this land. These predictions are very numerous and wonderfully accurate -- inspired predictions, that never have been realized, and never can be, unless they are fulfilled in the New World. We will, however, notice one other.

Behold, these shall come from far; and, lo, these from the North and from the West; and these from the land of Sinim." Isaiah 49:12. Now, all commentators agree that "Sinim" is China. The fact is, it was its true ancient name: Thinim, Thina, or China. It is so put down in the ancient maps.

And China lies "north" and "west," or north-west of us. In the message of Ex- Governor Bigler, of California, some two years ago, it is there published that there were then some sixty thousand Chinese in that State.

Now, no commentator questions that this passage describes emigration coming to the land of restored Israel, for the whole continent comfirms it. But how are the Chinese to come from China to Palestine and come from the north-west?

It is impossible. **** Here is a promise made of emigration from a distant country, whose inhabitants have never been known to mingle with other nations; here their true ancient name is given; here is the very direction which they were to come; and here is a fulfillment upon a most magnificent scale. Perfect coincidence being perfect fulfillment, our position is demonstration.

[here comes Ezekiel 38-39/Rev. 20:7-20, my first post on the thread, but not, Russia, so much as the antiChrist Jews and their confederacy:]

Sixth. The land of restored Israel is described as a country restored from its desolations, by the peculiar construction of its towns and villages, and the prosperity and quietude of its inhabitants.

In the invasion of this land, at the last great battle, by Russia and the autocracy of the Old World, the prophet thus addresses the power that leads that invasion: "After many days thou shalt be visited: thou shalt come into tile land that is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste; but it is brought out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them ... Thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of un walled villages,' I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates. To take a spoil, and to take a prey;' to turn thy hand upon the desolate place that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations; which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. "Ezekiel 38.'8, 11, 12.

Here, my countrymen, is almost a daguerreotype portraiture of your own land. We very much question whether Ezekiel, the prophet ever saw an "unwalled" city in his life. Surely, if old Palestine is to be brought back again to her more than ancient splendor, "unwalled" cities and villages will not be found there. This passage, therefore, can never be applied to Judea; for all her cities were walled, from Jericho to Jerusalem. This remarkable description of the numerous villages and cities, and the possessions, prosperity, and security of the people, is a grand and graphic delineation of the United States of America, and of no other country on earth............."

The United States Of America Foretold In The Holy Scriptures by Rev. F. E. Pitts Feb. 22 and 23, 1857

http://www.ori ginofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm

I still contend there is a difference between AMERICA [Ezekiel 17:1-6] and the Corporation known as the UNITED STATES [Ezekiel 17:7-10/Mat. 15:13 ]. The United States was still perceived as being "good" in the days this was written, but that was before the leaven of the Pharisees leavened the whole lump, and before they defiled America [Micah 4:11].

[Diana #280]:

"....if you watch tv or read the news or read magazines like The Week, it's quite obvious there's a war on traditional American values. We now have ubiquitous porn to demonize women, which used to be hard to find due to obscenity laws, we have tv shows such as CSI where the bad guys are too easy to spot as they are over-whelmingly white people with fair coloring, it's insulting, and you can't blame a whole race of people for crimes commited in the past by some of their members.

I believe all people matter equally, that God loves all people, we all have a soul and should be treated with dignity.

Perhaps you don't believe that and you are projecting your own prejudices onto me. I'm not a "white supremecist" just because I don't like what I see happening in this country, the degradation of all things held sacred, the attempted abolishment and ridicule of Christian ways, the demonizing of white Americans through history, even though in all people's history there are some dark areas, but the whole race's negative traits are screamed from rooftops these days.........."

well said, Diana.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-29   12:42:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

btw, I didn't find mention of Hephzibah, until the very bottom of the article:

"....Preserved as "an handful of corn scattered on the summit of the mountains, a little one has become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation." "It is the Lord's doings, and marvelous in our eyes;" for according to his promise, "the Lord has hastened it in his time."

0 happy America! O favored children of the free! when will the great heart of they mighty people fully know God and the salvation of his Son! "Then Gentiles and kings shall see thy glory, and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken: neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee. "Then shall thy glory continue; for "Thy sun shall no more go down, neither shall thy moon withdraw itself; for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended."

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http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4

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AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-29   12:55:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

btw, I didn't find mention of Hephzibah, until the very bottom of the article:

This knowledge hasn't put a dent in the illegal invasion or the development of the NAU, both of which will destroy what's left of this nation. Religion is one of the many reasons those of us who are aware of these schemes can't unify.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-29   14:59:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This knowledge hasn't put a dent in the illegal invasion or the development of the NAU,

Jethro, no disrespect intended in this response. The big picture is a spiritual one in many people's opinion. However, in order to come to this awareness a dedicated study of scripture is conducive to understanding the enemy that we all want to fight. And they're "huge".

Anyway, a little forebearance goes a long way.

noone222  posted on  2007-01-29   15:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The big picture is a spiritual one in many people's opinion. However, in order to come to this awareness a dedicated study of scripture is conducive to understanding the enemy that we all want to fight. And they're "huge".

Exactly. Thank you.

When we have 40 million deceived Christians in America willing to spend blood and money to bomb the Middle East into submission and in the hopes of starting WWIII, for the benefit of the Zionist state, what better way to make them stop and say Wait, a minute, why should we do that for a bunch of murderers and thieves....WE're Israel, God's chosen people living in God's New Jerusalem, and our God is the Prince of Peace. WHY are we doing this???

Their Achilles heel is that we unite the church and draw others to our cause"

"....Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). [B'nai B'rith speech in red at the bottom of the page:"

http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm ]

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-30   17:28:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When we have 40 million deceived Christians in America willing to spend blood and money to bomb the Middle East into submission and in the hopes of starting WWIII, for the benefit of the Zionist state, what better way to make them stop and say Wait, a minute, why should we do that for a bunch of murderers and thieves....We're Israel, God's chosen people living in God's New Jerusalem, and our God is the Prince of Peace. WHY are we doing this???

1st let me offer that it's easier to prove who is not "the chosen" than to prove who is. When considering Palestine/Jerusalem and their proper "citizens" it's easier to demonstrate that those claiming it currently are not rightful possessors, but trespassers.

Plus, people will call you a bigot and worse if you tell them they are most probably descendants of the original 10 tribes. [Even if you show them that only one group of people have actually demonstrated operation and fulfillment of the many promises made to Abraham and his descendants]. Just for grins go to the library and look up the International Quality of Life Index and note the top 12 Nations Quality of Life ... these have fulfilled the Promises. Or even easier, look to see if these people that are today called Jews have even fulfilled "ONE" of the Promises made to Abraham.[Hint: The Jews haven't fulfilled even one].

noone222  posted on  2007-01-30   17:45:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

noone, I find those things interesting, but I also find them devisive and maybe not quite Biblical.

In the first place, how would anyone know if they were related to the 10 tribes. There are no genealogical records, and besides people have intermarried for thousands of years...supposing they were originally Abraham's kids, and then married the devil's kids. What then? And how do we know Abraham was white, anyway? And how do we know what race some of his wives were?

Jacob loved Joseph, the father of Ephraim and Manasseh [Ephraim becoming one of the symbols of Israel and also another of the many names for Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/j/jesus-is- israel.html ] and made him a coat of many colors. I think this symbolizes God's love for ALL the races.

Furthermore, Isaiah 49:6 says God would not only raise the twelve tribes, but also the Gentiles:

Isa 49:6 — And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/49/6.html

He prophecied that He would take of the Gentiles to be His priests and "Levites":

Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests [and] for Levites, saith the LORD.

[These are not priests as a lot of people shudder to think of priests, but simply "shepherds" and teachers, or pastors (not the Pat Robertson type).]

In Acts 8, the "Angel of the Lord" came and told Philip to go to the Ethiopian eunuch ["can an ETHIOPIAN CHANGE HIS SKIN, or a leopard his spots"] to preach to him. The Ethiopian ended up BELIEVING ON CHRIST and getting baptized. Connecting the dots, Gal. 3:16-29 declares that the black Ethiopian is also the seed of Abraham. The "Angel" sealed this with a miracle by transporting Philip to another city in the blink of an eye [travel mode for the future?], so this "Angel" was in reality, Jesus. In my mind, God foresaw the squabble over skin, and settled the issue once and for all...He so loved THE WORLD, (that He came and died on the cross so) that ALL who believed would not perish but have everlasting life....with Him....in His kingdom.

I agree with you on the "Jews"...They are not Israel [Ezekiel 34/John 10]. A true Jew is one who is circumcised in the heart, and not the flesh, i.e., is a Christian. The antiChrist "Jews" are the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 2:9/3:9.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-30   18:32:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And how do we know what race some of his wives were?

sorry...not Abraham's wives....JACOB'S wives.

and by the way, wasn't there a CANAANITE in the woodpile of Jesus...Rahab, I believe? Not to mention, the twelve tribes married into all the people God told them not to.....the Canaanite, the Hittites, the Hivites, etc. etc. The twelve tribes were never a pure race to begin with.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-30   18:39:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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