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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
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Those who use biblical prophecy especially those that insert 'Ezekiel' into their forum responses to explain today's events need to be stoned with big rocks.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
nuke it into a glass parking-lot rapture monkey bump
Talk about a wacky pack of KooKs. I've been listening to and reading their bullshit for more than 10 years and despite all their praying and spewing, this nation is in worse shape today than it was then. Is this mess all God’s plan? I suppose it is to them and they have the scripture verse to support their insanity. Just ask them. Their obsessive study of what I consider a book of fiction could rightfully be considered a mental disorder.
With what they say is going to happen to everyone else, you're letting them off easy. My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy. -Blackeagle
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
YES! And don't forget a book burning (please include all the versions they squabble over)
Now you've done it. Jeebus & Sky-Ghost are gonna smite thee. NO RAPTURE FOR YOU!
I'm tired of their petty squabbles, but I really don't want to burn a Bible. What I think would be even worse is the knowledge that their ashes would be buried with a Koran. -Blackeagle
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
Nope. Hold the rapture for me. And bag the good book while you're at it too. As these Religious Warriors bicker over scripture, illegals are recapturing the entire Southwest at the behest of the CFR and their NAU agenda. Maybe, just maybe, we should try and stop the agenda FIRST before we explore the many actors who are responsible.
Well, with these head cases it all depends on *which* bible is burnt. Apparently there are different versions and only THEY know the one which is real. As I said, they exhibit overt mental illness.
A few months before I got banned at FreeRepublic I would tussle with these Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys - see example here: http://www.freerepublic .com/focus/fr/812515/posts The reason these Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys are dangerous are many but to give one example - Say Russia wants to make nice with the USA and reach agreements and so on - the Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys influence our politicians into being hostile to Russia because it is prophesied Russia (and Iran and China and so on) will be invading the Middle East (meaning Israel) for the Antichrist so why make nice to them? In fact America most Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys think the USA will be on the side of Christ - against the evil Antichrist serving Russians. Why don't they assume attractive America will serve as the Antichrist who is supposed to be attractive and charismatic - like America is? Why? Because they are crazy Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys, that's why. So any peace attempts by Russia will be spurned by an America influenced by Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys making conflict between super powers a self fulfilling prophesy.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy. The rapture is a heresy after all - that justifies a buring.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Gee whiz, I'm surprised at you! The prospect of spending all eternity naked while fellating George Bush and Rush Limpball and jerking-off has a very strong appeal. (At least it does for the FreepTards ad El Pissers)
Turn on RBN (the link is on the left of this home page). JS has a host who is a Lutheran pastor discussing religion with a practicing Catholic. If either of these “patriots” were on the level, they’d drop their affiliation to these organizations ASAP. But no...the SHOW must go on. Our division is not yet complete.
Sorry, I don't get what that means in terms of patriotism spurning.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You're right, it is a severe mental illness. I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts. Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it. I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board. -Blackeagle
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America."
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Bingo. I was also born and raised Catholic, but nothing compares to the psychoses I see and hear from "patriot" thumpers. IMVHO all their years of bible study would have been better served had they read Marvel comic books instead.
Agreed. They might actully help out society rather than wait for god to change it.
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
Fractures take two. If a man names me his enemy, must I agree with him? Can you say the nation has been improved by your efforts these last 10 years? There's not much point to changing course by spinning the helm at random. One should first take a bearing. The fact of the disputes is one thing. The intensity underneath the disputes is another. It is an untapped, incoherent energy. Currently dissipated, but when coherent, terrible indeed. You will need these people.
NOT, I’ll not, carrion comfort, Despair, not feast on thee; NO, the nation is in worse shape, this despite my buying radio time for 2.5 years and pounding the immigration/trade issue to death back in the mid 90s. What I did learn during that time was the hyper religious head cases are an enemy within, IMO. they are an intransigent lot who each thinks they have been chosen by the creator to educate the masses. At this moment in time, we need to stop the hemorrhaging before we investigate who caused the injury. That will take unity and I've come to learn that isn't possible within this movement. I quess it's time I just accept it.
Badeye? Is that you?
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Why are you dissing DC? You don't like Batman or something?
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
It does, but what about hummers? Will someone in heaven give us a hummer when we get there?
"I gave myself a Hummer. (chuckle)"
badeye - the people with hummers all go to heaven, and they get to take their hummers with them.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Batman's great, but my favorite DC superheroes were the Metal Men.
The Lord shall smite thee mightily, yay even with his right hand, shall he smite thee for blaspheming his chosen people.
Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.
Don't ya' wish you had kept all those five-cent dust collectors you had under your bed? Those and my baseball card collection.
Chill
you wacky mother f**ker. I understand Bush will announce tonight that Bible
Verse is to be our official native tongue. And talk about a smite. I am on my
knees praying that the earth opens up under Capital Hill, just as this trained
monkey opens up his yap. Can I hear an amen?
AMEN
And the Lord sayeth, you are a wise woman; filled with vim, vigor, and a side order of sexy.
Dry sterile thunder indeed. If it will not rain in the mountain, Muhammad must leave the mountain. > this despite my buying radio time for 2.5 years and pounding the immigration/trade issue to death back in the mid 90s. The usual lot of prophets. > At this moment in time, we need to stop the hemorrhaging before we investigate who caused the injury. Tourniquets should be applied above, rather than below the injury.
O you who turn the wheel and look windward, Ugh. I have two like people like this in my family. Stab you in back and then blame you for getting mad at them and all the while clutching at their precious bible. To be honest I am a very religious/spiritual person, but hard core christians send me screaming me the other way. And what ever you do don't let them work on your car because God says cleaning the spark plugs = 4 hours of labor at 75$ an hour (One exception. I did know one christian family that was wonderful to be around and raised two very bright and well educated children. If Chritanity was made up mostly of people like them I might be more of a beleiver. But I've found the hard way that only about 1 in 20 christians are trustworthy.)
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
Only a moron like you would even CONSIDER listening to bush stumble through another speech.
Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.
quick, he's introducing the dark heroes.
Only a booger eating moron would try to impose their worldview on others.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
Ah, so you watched it too, dunce?
Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.
I tried to keep them, but a pair of fire-breathing, rapture monkey aunts kept throwing them out while preaching to me about how those four-color idols were leading me into the arms of Satan. If I still had those books, I'd have enough money to leave the country. Thanks, girls. (One aunt is a serial adulterer, and the other is a fantical control freak. Me? Just a fuzzy 'ol bundle of love that wants to be left alone to tend his garden and care for his wife. Guess the Republicans think I'm asking for TOO MUCH!!!)
I started wrapping and storing my comics when I was about 12. I've got a collection of about 2000 vintage comics from the late 70s and early 80s that I'm gonna pass on to my son in 10 years or so. I haven't looked up their values recently, but I know they're worth a pretty decent small car...
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
I'd bet on it, especially if they are in pristine condition.
I figure he can either pass them on to his kids or he can finance a major purchase like a car with them. Despite what collectors say, however, comic collecting is not "investing" and has nothing even remotely approaching the return of a decent bank CD. Not that it isn't fun collecting them (Hell, I even have Conan the Barbarian #1); but they aren't an "investment".
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Read the article I linked.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
To: Jethro Tull You're right, it is a severe mental illness. I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts. Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it. I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board. The Catholics you describe are more the exception than the mainstream, unless the church has turned into some kind of holy roller hang out since I was last there as a "regular." I'm not sure what state you live in - if it's a Southern state maybe the Catholics got infected with the Bible Belt disease or something - but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose. As for priests molesters - that was very ugly - but the percentage of priests who molested was similar to other church's clerics or so I've read - what was bad was the Catholic church tried to cover it up. Also the priest molestation thingie was primarily isolated to American Catholic churches for some peculiar reason. As for money grubbing priests - the Catholic church is no different from other religions and certainly no worse than most.
Those who use biblical prophecy especially those that insert 'Ezekiel' into their forum responses to explain today's events need to be stoned with big rocks. -------------------- The reason these Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys are dangerous are many but to give one example - Say Russia wants to make nice with the USA and reach agreements and so on - the Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys influence our politicians into being hostile to Russia because it is prophesied Russia (and Iran and China and so on) will be invading the Middle East (meaning Israel) for the Antichrist so why make nice to them? In fact America most Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys think the USA will be on the side of Christ - against the evil Antichrist serving Russians. Why don't they assume attractive America will serve as the Antichrist who is supposed to be attractive and charismatic - like America is? Why? Because they are crazy Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys, that's why. So any peace attempts by Russia will be spurned by an America influenced by Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys making conflict between super powers a self fulfilling prophesy. Would it help your understanding to know that "Israel" in Ezekiel 38-39 is America, and that Gog and Magog are the Antichrist "Jews", INCLUDING the antiChrist Jews who control CorpUSA? If you don't understand that, the following is a lot of reading, and a lot of discerning the truth from error and downright deception, but if one doesn't want to learn the truth, one shouldn't call for those who understand God's truth to be stoned, unless one wants to bring God's wrath down on himself: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/11/5.html ] The identity of ISRAEL here: AMERICA, NOT ISRAELI http://www.historicist.com/ojnj/ojnj7.htm THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL NOW [but it is NOT all white: John 3:16/Gal. 3:16-29/Rev. 5:9-10] http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/provan- charles_dd_01.html GOG-MAGOG ALLIANCE PART 1 OF 3: [right Israel...wrong Gog and Magog?....remember that a lot of Jews CAME here from Russia!] "Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put a hook into thy jaws, [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu032.html#21"> ; http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Deu/32/21.html ], and I will bring forth, and all thy army,..." (Ezekiel 38:3, 4) "And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4 ] I will go up to them that rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates," (verse 11) .........." http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0098a.htm The identity of GOG AND MAGOG here: THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm [see "Gog and Magog" about 3 times in the green area, be sure to read about IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA toward the end of the article, after "Is the Jews "Chosen People" Masquerade Finally Over?"] Chapter 15: Gog's Invasion http://www.gods-kingdom.org/Birthright/Chapter15/Chapter15.htm [right Gog and Magog, wrong Jerusalem, IMO] There is no rapture. We are fighting for the kingdom of heaven: Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: [see cross at Cape Henry http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html ] Psa 48:1 ¶ [[A Song [and] Psalm for the sons of Korah.]] Great [is] the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, [in] the mountain of his holiness. Psa 48:2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, [is] mount Zion, [on] the sides of the north, the city of the great King. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/48/2.html Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/13/33.html Gal 5:9 — A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/5/9.html Mar 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod. See George Washington's "new nation" http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html Cornwallis to George Washington: Jewish Persecution by Jackie Patru | Section Nineteen "Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that,. "A holy war will now begin on America, ... The Greatest Hoax | Index "Your churches will be used to teach the Jews' religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. ... http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution18.htm http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution19.htm The Greatest Hoax http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unionjack_epilogue.htm http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/greatesthoax.htm http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/index.html "....until the whole is leavened...." http://www.cephas- library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html 1Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: ---------------------------------- Ezekiel 17:1-10/Matthew 15:13/Micah 4/Psalm 2. hope that helps....sooner or later, people are going to get it. ---------------------------------- In fact America most Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys think the USA will be on the side of Christ - against the evil Antichrist serving Russians. Why don't they assume attractive America will serve as the Antichrist who is supposed to be attractive and charismatic - like America is? could be..... Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [Psalm 48:2, above] 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in *** the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "all men … are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....." The question is.....WHO is the Creator of CorpUSA's "citizens"? [I don't say "men", because CorpUSA's Talmud declares that only Jews are "men", the rest of us are "beasts" and chattel.] http://www.hisholychurch.net/pdfiles/births/lawofcertificates.html 8 Call no man on earth Father http://www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/father.HTM 2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for YE are THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr006.html#16 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Cr/6/16.html
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#3. To: Destro (#1)
#4. To: Destro (#1)
#5. To: blackeagle (#4)
My vote goes for burned at the stake... in the name of Mercy.
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
#8. To: Esso (#6)
#9. To: blackeagle (#7)
but I really don't want to burn a Bible.
#10. To: blackeagle, Jethro Tull (#4)
#11. To: blackeagle (#4)
With what they say is going to happen to everyone else, you're letting them off easy.
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
Hold the rapture for me.
#13. To: Esso, Destro, the hell bound. (#12)
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
JS has a host who is a Lutheran pastor discussing religion with a practicing Catholic. If either of these “patriots” were on the level, they’d drop their affiliation to these organizations ASAP.
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
#16. To: blackeagle, Jethro Tull (#15)
#17. To: blackeagle (#15)
I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Not untwist—slack they may be—these last strands of man
In me ór, most weary, cry I can no more. I can;
#20. To: Tauzero (#19)
Can you say the nation has been improved by your efforts these last 10 years?
#21. To: Esso (#12)
The prospect of spending all eternity naked while fellating George Bush and Rush Limpball and jerking-off has a very strong appeal.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
. IMVHO all their years of bible study would have been better served had they read Marvel comic books instead.
#23. To: Esso (#12)
The prospect of spending all eternity naked while fellating George Bush and Rush Limpball and jerking-off has a very strong appeal. (At least it does for the FreepTards ad El Pissers)
#24. To: Badeye After Five (#23)
Will someone in heaven give us a hummer when we get there?
#25. To: bluedogtxn (#22)
You don't like Batman or something?
I've already said too much.
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#27. To: bluedogtxn (#22)
DC
#28. To: Redheadedstranger (#26)
The Lord shall smite thee mightily
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#30. To: christine (#29)
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
they are an intransigent lot who each thinks they have been chosen by the creator to educate the masses.
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
#32. To: blackeagle (#15)
The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#34. To: Redheadedstranger (#33)
a moron like you would even CONSIDER listening to bush stumble through another speech.
#35. To: Redheadedstranger (#33)
#36. To: Dakmar (#35)
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
Don't ya' wish you had kept all those five-cent dust collectors you had under your bed?
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#38. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
Don't ya' wish you had kept all those five-cent dust collectors you had under your bed? Those and my baseball card collection.
#39. To: bluedogtxn (#38)
I haven't looked up their values recently, but I know they're worth a pretty decent small car...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#40. To: who knows what evil (#39)
I'd bet on it, especially if they are in pristine condition.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
#42. To: blackeagle, Jethro Tull (#15)
(Edited)
I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.
#43. To: Destro, Jethro Tull (#10)
#44. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#43)
god bless you AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, but all your biblical study and prayer hasn't done, and won't do, a thing to stem the tide of the illegal invasion and the coming NAU. If this is god's plan, he's evil.
#45. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#43)
No. Being crazy from the reverse of the established Gog/Magog nuttery is still being crazy.
ould it help your understanding to know that "Israel" in Ezekiel 38-39 is America, and that Gog and Magog are the Antichrist "Jews", INCLUDING the antiChrist Jews who control CorpUSA?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#46. To: scrapper2 (#42)
I'm in the same boat as you, scrapper. What got me started on this rant is the outright hatred some otherwise kindred spirits have toward anything Catholic. The Catholics I know would stand with us on most issues, while never discussing religion. Who and what people choose to hold close is their business. IMHO, some people in this community of ours place religion and obscure conspiracies over the current events that are actively altering our culture and country. They divide rather than unify, and I find it impossible to keep quiet.
but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
Unless you are Mexican and then he is God almighty!
If this is god's plan, he's evil.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#48. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#49. To: Redheadedstranger, Jethro Tull (#48)
So are godless libertarians who could care less about borders or the govt.
Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#50. To: Redheadedstranger (#48)
Any Catholic who enables illegal immigration should be Saddam'ed. The same holds for anyone else including all those WASPS in the CFR who are driving this mess with their "Building a North American Community."
#51. To: All (#50)
I remember arguing with the big "L" libertarians on tFR years ago. They adored open borders and free trade. Total fruitcakes, who haven't the balls to engage in debate.
So are godless libertarians
#52. To: Destro (#49)
true.
So are godless libertarians who could care less about borders or the govt.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#53. To: Jethro Tull (#51)
OWK kicked your ass many times. You never could debate your way out of a paper bag.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#54. To: Redheadedstranger (#53) (Edited)
hehehehe....that POS "reported" me to the FReeple Papacy on many occasions. He's a wormy, jew bastard who now moderates at LF, a forum where the owner is unknown and the bills get paid mysteriously. OWK....nice example, red (g)
#55. To: Jethro Tull (#54)
Actually, JT, OWK took a hike recently. So its safe for you to sneak into LF now.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#56. To: Redheadedstranger (#55)
I did, actually. It remains as user unfriendly as always. Plus the case of the missing John Deere makes it way too weird for me.
#57. To: Redheadedstranger, Jethro Tull, destro (#48)
Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick. The Catholic leadership in S. California - Cardinal Mahoney - has been getting lots of publicity lately - pleading the case for Hispanic illegals - no secret why - Hispanics are Catholics. Also most Catholics I know are Democrats - and the Democrat Party itself is big on illegals - future Democrat voters, but not because Catholics exert any power within the Party - rather because of the party's self-serving reasons. Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.
Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.
#58. To: Jethro Tull, Redheadedstranger, bluedogtxn (#51)
Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried. While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons. In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#59. To: scrapper2 (#57)
No, old boy, it doesn't work like that. The Evangelicals are converting wetbacks by the hundreds. There are literally around a dozen Spanish-speaking Penacostal churches in my Missouri county alone.
Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#60. To: scrapper2 (#57)
That's my experience too, which when one considers the D position on abortion, speaks volumes to the lack of control the church holds over individual Catholics. People are born into these various sects, and are free to remain in them or get a clue upon reaching adulthood. But to link one billion people to an unexplainable Jesuit/Papal conspiracy, is a time drain and causes decent folks to miss the illegal climbing through their open window.
Also most Catholics I know are Democrats
#61. To: Redheadedstranger (#59)
You will lose because you call them wetbacks. Thus the media wants people like you fronting the closed border debate.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#62. To: Destro (#58)
All that matters to me is that you aren't for open borders. That would make us amigos on this issue, el correcto?
#63. To: scrapper2 (#57)
Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried. While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational). In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#64. To: scrapper2 (#57)
exactly and it's all about putting $$ in the coffers of these organizations.
Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick.
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
Yes, but ineffective ones because your arguments (which won't work) are the ones that get the media spotlight and thus destroy the winning closed border argument. I have noticed that while I am a conservative - my conservatism arises from the European civilizational view - old school Latin Republic - Pericles - Code of Justinian, Locke, Burke and so on. American so called conservatives for the most part are not true conservatives - - so while we may be on the same page on many things - why I am where I am you are where you are are different.
All that matters to me is that you aren't for open borders. That would make us amigos on this issue, el correcto?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#66. To: Destro (#65)
Truth be known, the argument is all but lost. The NAU is nearing completion and the CFR membership has begun to chill the champagne. All this while the conspiracy minded among us look under rocks for Fr. O'Malley and his legions of Jesuits rulers. Lordy we're soooooooooo screwed.
thus destroy the winning closed border argument.
#67. To: Destro (#63) (Edited)
While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational). In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate. The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum. I rarely get involved in immigration debates and when I do my position has been fairly consistent and straight forward. I feel that immigration should be primarily skills-based and not family reunification as it is now. I'm not anti- immigration because of cultural considerations although with the current stress on multiculturalism as opposed to melting pot assimilation, culture has become ghettoizing and divisive to our society. If I appear to be not thrilled with unbridled daisy chain Third World immigration, it's because those immigrants rarely have the skills our nation needs with the exception being immigrants from India or Iran who are generally well educated coming into America or are at the very least highly motivated and educatable so as to excel in professional training. I am opposed to illegal immigration because it breaks our laws on the books that legal immigrants have respected and queued for for many years in some cases. Illegal immigration also brings in the mix an assortment of societal ills including drugs and disease. So how can my position be construed to be anti-immigration, close the borders mindset? In fact, some posters have accused me of being too acquiescent to the guest worker plan being a fact of life - which I still think is the case especially after yesterday's state of the union's mess speech. As for religion's involvement in illegal immigration, I was merely responding to comments made by other posters - of course religios groups are not the only enablers of illegal immigration. I did not say that.
Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.
#68. To: scrapper2, bluedogtxn (#67) (Edited)
Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized. If the USA was still a manufacturing country where immigrants melded together on assembly lines shoulder to shoulder so they could not communicate much in their native tongues because immigration was coming from everywhere and thus were forced to learn English and adopt American ways then I would be for open borders. The manufacturing sector was also a way for a poor illiterate person to be able to earn a livable wage right off the boat. The manufacturing sector was the reason the USA was able to meld all those people into new Americans. Since we are now a service economy that means immigrants of low education can only get lowly jobs and get ghettoized easier and remain in the ghettos longer. You can't easily climb your way out doing odd jobs for slave wages. My position on being pro closed borders is complicated - not easily digestible and thus not processed. All you hear are rednecks screaming about not being able to hear English being spoken at dollar stores anymore. Poor ignorant suckers.
The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#66) (Edited)
See my response above to scrapper.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#70. To: Destro, bluedogtxn (#68)
Destro: Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized. I still don't understand why you are directing your self-righteous post at me. I have never used the word "wetback" in my entire life. I suggest you re-read this thread and get a handle on the poster associated with that derogatory term and direct your future tirades to that person. Thank you very much..
scrapper: The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.
#71. To: scrapper2 (#70)
regardless - I used my replay to you to elaborate so it all worked out in the end. You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#72. To: Destro (#71)
I will pray for you. Tom 4:57
You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility.
#73. To: Destro (#71)
You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility. You are rude and you are wrong in your nonsensical tirade at me for no reason. I have always been consistent in my position that immigration should be skills based and my position is no different than your economics schpeel. It's not like either of us are geniuses for seeing the obvious and that's why poll after poll shows that our current immigration policy - placing family reunification as a priority - is broken and why Americans by a significant margin are pissed with our nation's immigration policy directions today both legal and illegal. Nothing you just did or said to me on this thread "worked." You accused me falsely and you don't even have the courtesy to apologize for your error. What you "need to work on" are your facts, your honesty, and your manners.
regardless - I used my replay to you to elaborate so it all worked out in the end.
#74. To: scrapper2 (#73) (Edited)
My tirades are never nonsensical though I agree I may have been rude.
You are rude and you are wrong in your nonsensical tirade at me for no reason.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#75. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, Jethro Tull (#74)
The fact that you directed your accusatory tirade at the wrong person ( ie. me) without apologizing for your mistake would qualify as both a GIANT rude and GIANT nonsensical action.
My tirades are never nonsensical though I agree I may have been rude.
#76. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Jethro Tull (#43)
I don't myself agree with the assertion at top of this thread, that people who quote bible are 'head cases'. But people say this out of frustration, and i sure don't blame them for being that way. I don't use the term 'rapture nutter' or rapture monkey. but I admit the phenomenon does occur, and I don't agree with the people who fall in that category. I like the bible, I think it's a very good thing. If Allthekingshorseswontdoit's interpretations are correct (& I personally think they mostly are), then it means this god is willing to let us be exposed to evil. and that is the way I read the bible, that he is willing to let evil happen to us. IMHO the beginning of wisdom is fear of the lord. and he's bringing that forth to us.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
#77. To: scrapper2 (#75)
Apologize for what?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#78. To: Red Jones (#76)
My frustration stems from the
divisiveness that *some* believers bring to the table. We’re at such an acute
stage in American history that anything less than unity will work against us.
It’s too late in the game to comb the catacombs for cryptic codes and clues.
Ed Brown up in New Hampshire needs immediate help and our borders are under
attack. Maybe we should do something about these things before deciding who
is, or isn’t a true Christian.
#79. To: Red Jones, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Jethro Tull (#76)
Americans have re-embraced the Millerite wave of old.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#80. To: Destro (#79)
I'm glad you added a link. It's new to me and something I have no interest in. I'd prefer to drive ten-penny nails through my feet than be involved with that crew.
Millerite
#81. To: Destro (#77)
For your rude and mistaken identity posts #63 and #68 which you directed at me.
Apologize for what?
#82. To: Destro (#63)
i'm in complete agreement with you on that one.
In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones.
#83. To: christine, Destro (#82)
Economic reasons are the only reasons I see posted here.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#84. To: robin, Jethro Tull (#83)
i agree, robin. for most here, that is the principle concern although many are averse to the multiculturalism ideology preferring a protectionist monocultural nation-state.
#85. To: christine (#84)
The "cure" for most of those problems is the rate of assimilation. That's the argument put forward by Victor Davis Hanson in "Mexifornia". The rate has increased beyond what can be assimilated so the result is balkanization. He's no racist and neither am I. It's about a reasonable approach. The costs to our standard of living are difficult to estimate, the health costs (not just the once eradicated diseases), overcrowded schools, transportation, neighborhoods becoming barrios, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if racism is increasing just because of the lack of controls.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#86. To: scrapper2 (#81)
This is what you invoke when you use that language: Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#87. To: robin, christine (#85)
Mexicans do not have manufacturing jobs that allow them to move up the ladder like had existed for immigrants in our past who came from cultures even more alien to America than the Mexican/Spanish culture - You have to stretch credibility very much to say Mexican culture is more removed from American culture than say the culture of Greek Americans or Russian Jews or Lebanese Arab Christians or Armenians. Yet these people melded into American culture and contributed greatly to this nation's wealth because their parents could pull themselves out of poverty. How will that happen with no jobs in California that can allow this assimilation and upward mobility? So it is not that Mexicans can't become Americans - there is no catalyst to help the assimilation process with the end of American manufacturing.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#88. To: Destro (#61)
That's quite true, but you see, this is the 4um where racialism is expected.
You will lose because you call them wetbacks
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#89. To: Redheadedstranger (#88)
I consider racism a normal human trait. It can be altered, by some, on a voluntary basis, but when a politically correct society attempts to criminalize it, they actually get more of what they wish to eradicate. Stick that up your Anglo-Saxon ass you fat, balding, toothless horse humper.
racialism is expected.
#90. To: Red Jones (#76)
Good response Red. I think we expose ourselves to most of the evil by living outside of righteousness. I think we rationalize our weaknesses. You were right in analyzing the usage of derogatory terminology to describe Bible believers as rapture nutters etc., as frustration. Too many people have been obsessed with these scriptures for thousands of years to imagine them all to be nuts !
If Allthekingshorseswontdoit's interpretations are correct (& I personally think they mostly are), then it means this god is willing to let us be exposed to evil. and that is the way I read the bible, that he is willing to let evil happen to us.
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#91. To: Redheadedstranger (#88)
Curious how you so willingly assimilated.
this is the 4um where racialism is expected.
#92. To: Destro (#87)
You must not live in the SouthWestern part of the U.S. Some of the illegals here own homes and drive nice cars. Their children, through education can reach any level of achievement they want. Look at our AG, Alberto Gonzales, he already said his grandparents came here without papers. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/17/gonzales-grandparents-illegal/ BTW, Lou Dobbs is trying to get an investigation of why someone in a high level of the federal govt brough the whole force of the govt against two Border Patrol agents with exemplary 12 year records, and gave immunity to a Mexican drug dealer with $1 million in drugs.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#93. To: robin (#92) (Edited)
Illegal hispanics also take advantage of affirmative action (reverse racism), putting to rest the notion that AA was designed as a tool to off set 400 years of white racism against blacks.
Their children, through education can reach any level of achievement they want.
#94. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
In the SouthWest there is a lot of competition for govt monies, between Black organizations and Latino. The Latinos have the Catholic Church to begin with, an unfair advantage. The Blacks feel the Latinos are reaping the benefits of everything they worked (and slaved) for; "on their coattails" is the expression I heard in an interview once. And according to the news on prison riots and turf wars on the street, this rivalry is deepening.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#95. To: robin (#94)
I never did understand the silence of the black "leaders" we've come to know and love. They are getting along like oil and water in many cities.
this rivalry is deepening.
#96. To: Nostalgia (#91)
The last time I refused to assimilate and damn near got run off the board.
Curious how you so willingly assimilated.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#97. To: Jethro Tull (#89)
I'm only one-quarter white, JT.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#98. To: Redheadedstranger (#97)
Since you’re half jackass, may I ask what the remaining 1/4 represents?
#99. To: Destro (#86) (Edited)
destro: This is what you invoke when you use that language: You are either a. delusionary or b. unable to comprehend the English language or c. your ego is so grand that you cannot admit to a mistake. What's your point or rather what's your problem, Destro? Please use someone else for your moralizing didactic parable. You are barking up the wrong tree with me if you think I'm going to tolerate your nonsensical comments that are totally inapplicable to me, except in your short-circuited brain. a. I am a Catholic so like the so-called "self-loathing Jew", I have upclose experience with Catholicism and Catholics to "have the right and the knowledge" to comment on the foibles and/or pluses of the Catholic religion and its adherents. I can generalize and stereotype as much as I want because I've been there and done the walk. In fact, I still do the walk but not as regularly as my family would like. b. My response, which you quoted out of context, was to a poster who claimed that Catholics were the main enablers of illegal immigration. My rebuttal was that most religions (apart from evangelicals) were pro immigrants and Catholics were no exception - the tenets of most religions involve looking after and looking out for the disenfranchised, the poor, the underdogs looking for a better life - all God's creatures and all that good stuff. I added that in the case of Hispanic illegals, the Catholic leadership might be more vociferous than other religious leaders because Hispanics were Catholics. Duh. c. Catholics generally are Democrats - it's a fact of life - most Catholics were Johnny Come Later immigrants and considered second class by the WASP establishment in America until recently when Kennedy made it to the Oval Office and he did it on the Democrat ticket. To this day the Democrat Party promotes itself as one that looks out for minorities, the immigrant and Catholicism is big on that mindset. Statistically you'd probably find more Catholics identifying themselves as Democrats no matter what their economic status like the Jews do. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but generally what I say is true.
scrapper2: Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally
#100. To: robin (#92)
Rush Limbough facts. Show one guy who made it and t hus justify a whole policy based on that - standard modern GOP thinking.
Some of the illegals here own homes and drive nice cars. Their children, through education can reach any level of achievement they want.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#101. To: Jethro Tull (#93) (Edited)
And they will get an affirmative action job how if they are illegal? Does anyone here use reason?
Illegal hispanics also take advantage of affirmative action
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#102. To: scrapper2, robin, Jethro Tull, Redheadedstranger (#99)
"We are Republicans, and don't propose to leave our party and identify ourselves with the party whose antecedents have been Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion." - Protestant clergymen Reverend Samuel D. Burchard describing the menace of Irish Catholic immigration - 1884 presidential race - Republicans lost.
Catholics generally are Democrats
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#103. To: Jethro Tull (#98)
Hey, that's good, JT. Finally some real humor from you...
ince you57;re half jackass, may I ask what the remaining 1/4 represents?
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#104. To: Destro (#102)
barely.
Republicans lost.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#105. To: Destro (#102) (Edited)
Right, you're supporting Scrappers point. I agree with her. Many of the post Vatican II Catholics I know are socailly liberal Ds. Some vote R (my family) but they're liberal in countless other ways.
#106. To: Destro (#100)
No I don't listen to that slime, this is as a first hand witness. Alien Gonzales is just one example. The Los Angeles Times had an article about one year ago describing how illegals are qualifying for mortgages now. My family has lived in SoCal for over 120 years. We've witnessed a great deal.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#107. To: Redheadedstranger (#103)
I'm all about laughs, that's why I sooooooooooo want to meet you. I'll buy the first quart of Irish Rose.
#108. To: Redheadedstranger (#104)
By all means - if the Republicans want to again take up the war cry of "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion" and become the Anglo-Saxon WASP Protestant party (and WASP wannabees) and attack the Catholic church once again like the good old days be my guest. I just deregistered from the GOP and became an independent so I no longer have a vested interest in the GOP.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#109. To: robin (#106)
So? You a commie? What's it to you what a bank does with its investment money and the business risk it takes by giving loans to illegals? There is no legal restriction to foreigners owning property in America.
Alien Gonzales is just one example. The Los Angeles Times had an article about one year ago describing how illegals are qualifying for mortgages now.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#110. To: Destro (#109)
My point in bringing this up is that illegals are upwardly mobile, something you claimed they are not.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#111. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
hardly.
Right, you're supporting Scrappers point
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#112. To: Jethro Tull (#107)
That's going to be one heck of a hangover.
I'm all about laughs, that's why I sooooooooooo want to meet you. I'll buy the first quart of Irish Rose.
#113. To: robin (#110)
Yea - I see their upward mobility lines outside of Home Depot. They must be swimming in money cutting all that grass.
My point in bringing this up is that illegals are upwardly mobile, something you claimed they are not.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#114. To: Destro (#113)
Those are the illegals that just arrived yesterday. Give 'em five years. There are illegals who have been living here for decades...still illegal.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#115. To: robin (#114)
They must be the rich ones. Kids in Yale already.....
Those are the illegals that just arrived yesterday. Give 'em five years. There are illegals who have been living here for decades...still illegal.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#116. To: tom007 (#112)
You couldn't pay me enough to suffer a hangover. I'd let the redheadedcowboyhumper drink it all :)
#117. To: Destro (#115)
I know of a daughter of an illegal who attended Princeton. Mostly they are in local colleges. The young adults who arrive here go to night and trade schools. There is fake ID for any need.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#118. To: Jethro Tull (#107)
Ghey, JT, very ghey. I drink like a Southerner.
I'm all about laughs, that's why I sooooooooooo want to meet you. I'll buy the first quart of Irish Rose.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#119. To: Redheadedstranger (#118)
I'm impressed that a man with overt brain damage can still manage to string together a series of posts, albeit unrelated and drool soaked.
#120. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
Lol. You're the one who can't keep track of the conversation. Irish Rose=Ghey. Got it?
I'm impressed that a man with overt brain damage can still manage to string together a series of posts, albeit unrelated and drool soaked.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#121. To: Redheadedstranger, Jethro Tull (#120)
The first person I saw spell "gay" that way is a sexually ambiguous Jew living in Mississippi. And, everyone who copied it was a lonely boy with pitiful social skills and no lady friends to speak of. It must be terribly lonely for you and I'm sorry for that. But, trolling anonymously on the net is no kind of life for a man.
Irish Rose=Ghey.
#122. To: HOUNDDAWG (#121)
We're taking back the language, you ignorant hound. Gay=Merry, happy. Ghey=homo
The first person I saw spell "gay" that way is a sexually ambiguous Jew living in Mississippi.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#123. To: HOUNDDAWG (#121)
Chill, houndy. This is your last warning. Next time, I'll unload both barrels on you.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#124. To: Redheadedstranger (#123)
Are we at the Injun whiskey again?
Chill, houndy. This is your last warning. Next time, I'll unload both barrels on you.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
#125. To: robin (#117)
Anecdotal evidence but you feel this is fact. So then what's the problem according to you? They seem to be assimilating well.
I know of a daughter of an illegal who attended Princeton. Mostly they are in local colleges. The young adults who arrive here go to night and trade schools. There is fake ID for any need.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#126. To: Destro (#58)
Thanks for the compliment.
Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#127. To: Destro (#125)
It's not all or nothing. The barrios are proof they are not assimilating. First and second generation are generally not assimilated. Third generation has a chance but may not take it. There are far fewer 3rd/4th generation here, and far more 1st and 2nd.
The current problem is the tsunami of first generation that are arriving and have just arrived even during the length of this thread. Too many are committing crimes and really hate US and our culture. The prison population is testimony to that.
Having your neighborhood taken over by people who don't speak English, and have no intention of learning English is not the way to build a healthy community.
There is a street in Vista, CA that was renamed from "E. Los Angeles" after it became heavily populated with Latinos (many illegal). Really silly, it didn't change the reality.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#128. To: scrapper2 (#42)
I live in S. FLA. so maybe it is just my area.
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
#129. To: Destro (#68)
Destro, "Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries." "The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them." "Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites." "What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?" "How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?" "And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?" "But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews." "They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white." "Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white." WWW.WHITAKERONLINE.ORG -Blackeagle
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
#130. To: blackeagle (#129)
It is culture not race for me. I mean once Germanics were considered violent, mindless beasts - so much so that one tribe's ethnic name gave the world the word and concept of 'vandal'.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#131. To: bluedogtxn (#126)
I am disappointed in this forum - I think DailyKos is a great forum but they are more lefty and I am more a traditionalist conservative. Still this forum is to me more like a freerepublic wannabe website - populated with Archie Bunker types - they mean well but are not sophisticated in their analysis. There are a great few exceptions of course but sadly not enough.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#132. To: Destro (#131)
My posting experience tells me that when a "debate" is concluded by one poster declaring the forum is "disappointing" h/she usually was pummeled about the head and body. What exactly is a traditional conservative and why on earth would anyone choose to self identify, given today's politics?
#133. To: Jethro Tull (#132)
Someone steeped in the constitution more so than identifying being conservative with being Christian or a kind of 'white' person. Also someone who is educated reading classical literature - from Homer to Pericles to Cicero to Locke and Burke to Jefferson and the Founding fathers and are not conservatives based along Rush Limbough lines. For example being against illegal immigration is fine - I am as well - I am also for limiting legal immigration and I say this as a naturalized citizen. But the reasons stated here are for limits because the Mexicans are wetbacks and so on - not based on rational reasoned concerns. This does not mean I am better than you or smarter - far from it - but I don't understand why what I am thinking seems complex to some or that they have not thought of this themsleves - I keep reading talk radio talking points a lot on here over independent thinking. It is OK - i did not fit in on Freerepublic nor Libertypost - I am a hybrid - European and American so I don't think like most nativist Americans.
What exactly is a traditional conservative and why on earth would anyone choose to self identify, given today's politics?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#134. To: Destro (#133)
When they break into my country illegally, organize and assemble in many of the major cities across the country and then march under the Mexican flag in an effort to affect American law, they're wetback sons of bitches. Period, end of discussion. You can stay busy reading Plato and Homer but be very clear about our future; we're under invasion by a nationalistic people who are demanding that portions of our country be returned to them. Wetback? The word is too kind for these scum.
But the reasons stated here are for limits because the Mexicans are wetbacks and so on - not based on rational reasoned concerns.
#135. To: Destro (#131)
mr. analysis, you really are a pompous ass. how someone who made the completely assinine claim that "fire turns steel into wet noodles" can place himself intellectually superior to everyone else on this forum is laughable.
Still this forum is to me more like a freerepublic wannabe website-- populated with Archie Bunker types - they mean well but are not sophisticated in their analysis.
#136. To: Jethro Tull (#134)
Hence my need to disassociate myself with such a group - I am against illegal immigration same as you - but such sentiments expressed like that serve no purpose and don't juice up my intellect. I think the main difference is that this website is populated by people who are stirred with strong emotions over thoughts.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#137. To: Destro (#136)
Welcome to America. If it weren't for our strong emotions we'd never have tossed the Brits out the door, and we'd all be speaking German.
I think the main difference is that this website is populated by people who are stirred with strong emotions
#138. To: Destro (#136)
Adios, pompass ass !!!
Hence my need to disassociate myself with such a group
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#139. To: christine (#135)
Cause I work for a steel beam maker that is why - hence the need to fireproof steel.
mr. analysis, you really are a pompous ass. how someone who made the completely assinine claim that "fire turns steel into wet noodles" can place himself intellectually superior to everyone else on this forum is laughable.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#140. To: Jethro Tull (#137)
Americans were already speaking German and Ducth before the Brits arrived. So take that English as the official language nuts.
Welcome to America. If it weren't for our strong emotions we'd never have tossed the Brits out the door, and we'd all be speaking German.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#141. To: noone222 (#138)
Maybe I should stick around - work some of my counter psyops magic on y'all - you know since I am a disinfo agent and all.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#142. To: Destro (#140)
You missed the point, Plato. Why am I not surprised?
Americans were already speaking German and Ducth before the Brits arrived
#143. To: Destro (#139)
yeah, yeah. fireproofing or not, you're still too arrogant to admit that was a stupid and erroneous simile.
#144. To: christine (#143)
Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#145. To: Jethro Tull (#142)
Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal. That is sad.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#146. To: Destro (#101)
99% of us do. There's only a small handfull that think being highly educated relates to having common sense.
Does anyone here use reason?
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#147. To: Destro (#133)
I don't have my head stuck in tomes of literature, so my arguments are called simplistic. I don't need Locke to tell me GENOCIDE IS BAD! The simple answer is the right one. Displacing a people against their will by flooding their lands with competing groups qualifies as a constructive section C genocide under Article 1 and 2 of the Genocide Convention of 1948. We have a term for you here in the states, Respectable Conservative. -Blackeagle
But the reasons stated here are for limits because the Mexicans are wetbacks and so on - not based on rational reasoned concerns. This does not mean I am better than you or smarter - far from it - but I don't understand why what I am thinking seems complex to some or that they have not thought of this themsleves - I keep reading talk radio talking points a lot on here over independent thinking.
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
#148. To: Destro (#131)
Kos is okay; but there are a lot of PC police there, and you won't find many here. It is true that lots of folks here think "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" are bad words, but I think they are more than balanced by folks like leveller, Ferret Mike, Burkeman and Aristeides, who "get it". As for the "liberal" or "conservative" thing, why pin yourself down? Conservatives used to be against foreign interventions, then they were for it, and now they are coming back to being against it. Why not just be non-interventionist and don't worry about who is doing the intervening? Liberals used to be for big government and spending like mad, until they saw what a big government looked like when run by a bunch of nazi thugs and they watched a budget paper surplus turn into the biggest deficit in our nation's history; now they're for smaller government, less spending and fiscal responsibility. Conservatives used to stand for that stuff until they got into power, then suddenly they were all for out of control spending and fiscal irresponsibility. It's getting hard to tell the conservatives from the liberals when the liberals are complaining about the conservatives' budget recklessness. I would suggest to you that conservative and liberal have no real meaning anymore, unless you adopt the dictionary definitions; which then will draw you a bunch of fire from people who cling to the labels as indicative of political party in some way.
am disappointed in this forum - I think DailyKos is a great forum but they are more lefty and I am more a traditionalist conservative.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#149. To: bluedogtxn (#148)
Conservatives like me oppose foreign intervention, big government, increased spending and lack of fiscal responsibility unless the GOP is doing it.
"I gave myself a Hummer. (chuckle)"
#150. To: bluedogtxn (#148)
I agree - that is a problem with the left - PC.
Kos is okay; but there are a lot of PC police there
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#151. To: Destro (#145)
Jim Webb lost any credibility he might have had once he was selected by the elite. Honest elections are a Jeffersonian-thought lost to history.
Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal
#152. To: Destro (#144)
"Heat resistant" is a tricky term. Steel is NOT heat resistant, per se. Since steel is a good conductor it will absorb heat... BUT, it is also capable of absorbing a certain amount of heat without weakening any substantial amount. In the case of structural steel, this point is 540° C, which relates to 1004° F. Steel expands when heated, and once enough energy has been absorbed, it softens and loses its structural integrity. This is easily prevented through the use of fireproofing, which prevents the steel from absorbing enough energy to reach this temperature. Was the structural steel used in the Trade Center buildings NOT fireproofed? Admittedly, there was no doubt some damage to the fireproofing of some of the structural steel caused by the impact itself, however this damage would have been limited to the area of the impact. So what happened to the fireproofing throughout the rest of the buildings unaffected by the impact? Not to mention that there is no way on earth that fires were rampant throughout the entire structures from the ground all the way to the impact zone, thus resulting in ZERO compromise of the steel in those areas (which is far more area then the "compromised" areas). A514 is primarily used as a structural steel for building construction. The tensile yield strength of A514 alloys is specified as at least 100 ksi (690 MPa) for thicknesses up to 2.5 inch (64 mm) thick plate, and at least 110 ksi (760 MPa) ultimate tensile strength, with a specified ultimate range of 110–130 ksi (760–900 MPa). Plates from 2.5 to 6.0 inches (64 to 152 mm) thick have specified strength of 90 ksi (620 MPa) (yield) and 110–130 ksi (760–900 MPa) (ultimate). Engineers in North America usually use units of ksi which is a thousand psi, thus we're talking about steel with a base tensile strength of between 90,000 psi and 130,000 psi depending on thickness. Tensile strength is measured as a "pulling force", NOT a "compressing force". Imagine what kind of strength this steel has in resistance to compression!!! A "real world" example is that a 200 lb man can stand on an empty beer can (which is made from aluminum with very low tensile strength compared to A514, not to mention very thin aluminum at that) without crushing it. Now Mr "I'm a base of knowledge and common sense, and the 'official story of the collapses is plausible'" - tell me what force would be more in play upon the vertical steel in the collapse of the buildings, would it be "compression" or would it be "pulling"??? If it were "pulling" they would have fell upwards against gravity and into the sky. BUT I don't give a damn what forces are present, any integrity whatsoever in the vertical columns would present resistance to the effects of gravity in the collapses, and thus make it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the collapses to happen all the way to the ground at freefall speed!!!!! Thus by necessity, structural integrity had to be eliminated all the way to the ground for these collapses to happen in the time frame they happened! Perhaps it would behoove you to take some physics classes and study Newton's laws of motion and inertia. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - when it comes to common sense, Rudyard Kipling had it right when he penned: Getting on this forum and spouting that the majority of posters here are incapable of rational thought (which begins with common sense) is truly the pot calling the kettle black. Remember the old saying "The guilty dog barks first."???
Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?
"Common sense is very uncommon. Common sense is in spite of, not as a result of education. Common sense is instinct, and enough is genius. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he need more of it than he already has. Common sense is the knack of seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done."
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#153. To: innieway (#152)
The steel to the Freedom tower is by my firm - I work with the world's leading metallurgists - they agree with the offical conclusions that the fire and impact damage to the steel beams caused the failure. They are also French citizens and have no love for Bush's America so they are not biased pro- Bushies.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#154. To: bluedogtxn (#148) (Edited)
I think I realized the problem I am having with this forum. This forum is not a place where you go to get info hashed out and get a call to action going. This is a gripe fest - a place to vent only. It is a crank session by cranky people. Daily Kos at least despite the political deviations I have with that forum does have a call to action and a place to hash opinions for the purposes of informing. So I guess I will be looking for a place where traditionalists like myself can go. By the way - I was never enamored with what the Democratic party became - they were taken hostage by some annoying leftists groups the last generation. If the Democrats become more like Senator Jim Webb then I will accept their candidates. I just resigned from the GOP and became a registered independent. The only contact I have had with the rank and file of the GOP have been in forums - I don't discuss politics in my personal life much - and to be honest I have found the current crop of forum dwelling GOP conservatives to be disturbing nuts. I only populated the forums as an attempt to advocate for the Serbian people against America's illegal war on them. I think I did some good work in supporting the Serbian people and getting the truth out on Freerepublic. But I don't have common cause with the Black Helicopter-flouride in our water type of 'conservative'.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#155. To: Destro (#145)
There are probably under 80 regular posters here. How much stimulating cross-discussion do you expect on a forum that could hold all its members in the banquet hall of a Vermont Knights of Columbus?
Here we have a website with not much posting on Jim Webb's rebuttal. That is sad.
#156. To: SmokinOPs (#155)
And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
There are probably under 80 regular posters here.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#157. To: Destro (#156) (Edited)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not commenting on it because it was a career politician's response to another politician who was a failure in private life. It's carnival barker noise at the dog and pony show. I've given up on silly things like faith in the Machine righting itself if it only had the right personnel and Constitutions are anything more than mere paper I don't post on Illuminati nonsense much either unless it's to poke fun.
And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
#158. To: Destro (#154)
A noble cause. I wish you well in your continued respectability.
I only populated the forums as an attempt to advocate for the Serbian people against America's illegal war on them.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
#159. To: Destro, christine, robin, Jethro Tull, bluedogtxn, aristeides, Burkeman1, Brian S, swarthy guy, angle, randge, SmokinOPs, HOUNDDAWG, tauzero, tom007, Fred Mertz (#156) (Edited)
Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions. But a couple of months ago, Webb wasn't a trendy household name as he is today after his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech. Secondly before Webb's rebuttal speech and before you announced you independent registration status to all, there was a discussion thread about possible Presidential candidates and some of us then pointed out that Webb might make a good candidate to run for the Oval Office as an Independent because the Democrats would need to become more centrist to keep him and the GOP would need to lose the neocons and become more paleo dominated as before to attract him back - and some of us (hint: it wasn't you ) - noted that Webb was a rising star to be watched closely. Thirdly, some of the good discussions about Webb's speech got hidden in the SOTU thread. You weren't on that thread as I recall. Fourthly, what exactly have you contributed of note in the way of article postings to stimulate discussion about Webb that you so obviously want? Nada, zero. The last article you contributed to this forum as I recall was something about Israel and Russia in November. Fifthly quit your bitching about illumanati articles and instead of picking up your marbles and walking away, roll up your sleeves and do some research and post some articles that would make for a different more realist take on politics. I'm with you. I am not much for the illuminati articles - they're not my cup of tea - so I don't post on those threads - it doesn't bother me that others do - I do something more concrete, I actually post articles and post to threads I am interested in. Maybe you should do the same - there's room for everybody's political bent on this forum - Christine hardly ever exercises her moderator censorship rights except for vanity threads that are out of control and burying real news articles and discussions. So apply the advice you give to others about "doing concrete things" and start researching and posting articles on subjects you want discussion and opinions on. Here's something that you can take as your own articles about Webb and his qualities to post for further discussion - I was thinking of doing it yesterday but I got called away from home: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=160126 "Webb for President?" Posted 01/24/2007 @ 1:34pm by Ari Berman AND http://www.thenation.com/doc/ 20061023/moser "Virginia's Rumbling Rebels" posted October 8, 2006 (October 23, 2006 issue) By Bob Moser Go for it, Destro, and show us the way. I'd love to post to such a thread and so would others, I'm sure.
And why are they not posting on Jim Webb? Lots of posts about the illuminati though....
#160. To: Destro, christine, all (#154)
If not enough things are being posted from your point of view, then go find them and post them. If you want to see things hashed out, then talk about those things in a courteous and respectful way, and invite comment. No forum is free of idiots, including this one. No forum is free of prejudice, including this one. If you are lucky, you will find one or two kindred souls in a place like this with whom you like to share thoughts and whose opinions you respect. I've been fortunate here because I've encountered highly intelligent people whose opinions matter to me. If your experience has not been such, then you should look for a forum that pleases you. As for the Serbian people and their victimization, you can be assured that you will find a more sympathetic audience here than probably anywhere else. If that's your trick and you are a one trick pony, then this is the place you will feel welcome. If you are a holocaust denier, you will find an open forum here where you can post that silliness and not be laughed right off the screen. That's because christine welcomes pretty much any views and demands only that we treat each other with respect and some fundamental courtesy. On a day to day basis there are days when nobody's posting anything here that grabs my attention. On other days I can't stay away from my keyboard. I'm not generally censored here (like I have been on Kos, DU, and LP); and that is important to me. Sometimes I see crap posted here that deeply offends me. I usually choose not to respond to it. Freedom means sometimes hearing shit that pisses you off. What I can tell you is that reading a really well-written Burkeman or Leveller post is worth a whole day's worth of wading through crap, at least to me. But that's just me. Your experience may vary, and no warranties are made. If you go to a party or a bar, do you expect to like everyone there? At school did you like everyone in your class? Or did you, like most of us, find a few good friends and a few respectful acquaintances, and the rest of the folks there you could hardly give a shit about? Why would you expect a political forum to be any different? The majority of people in the world are vacuous, shallow, and poorly educated. Occasionally you will find someone who is much smarter and more critical. On this site you will find the proportion of smarties to idiots is pretty good; but that doesn't mean there are no idiots. Your post reminds me of my brother in law. He married his high school sweetheart and she was really fantastic. Smart, beautiful, accomodating, kind, seriously a real catch. But his marriage wasn't "perfect" and he wasn't "perfectly happy", so he got a divorce. It was his misfortune to grab the brass ring on his first go round the merry-go-round, so he never understood (until much too late) how good he'd had it. You aren't going to find perfection on any site. But good hunting.
I think I realized the problem I am having with this forum.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#161. To: scrapper2 (#159)
Well. One does have to make allowances for short time preferences.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
#162. To: Tauzero (#161)
Sorry, I don't get what you mean. I try to cut back my coffee consumption as a New Year's resolution and there's the result - intellectual slow down. Would you please clarify your remark? I'm getting another cup of coffee too.
Well. One does have to make allowances for short time preferences.
#163. To: scrapper2 (#162)
I have the opposite problem. Too little sleep, too much adrenaline. I've got a father-second-time-over fugue on. So no.
Are there any Jewish sheeple?
#164. To: bluedogtxn (#160)
thanks, bluedog. that was very well articulated.
#165. To: scrapper2 (#159)
excellent
#166. To: Destro (#154)
Daily Kos is mostly democrats, is it not? So the activism they do is partisan. Most of 4um's members have abandoned the two party political system. Further, unlike FR, DU, LP, and most likely Kos, we have no paid posters here. Many of us, however, are activists in our real lives, as far as doing what we can as individuals to wake people up to the corruption and tyranny of this government. That's our passion.
#167. To: Destro (#131) (Edited)
Daily Kos is more research based.. I visit there and lefty is an understatement.. the site is run by a democrat and it's focus is getting democrats elected.. it's a great resource but.. as all forums it has it's focus.. Now when you say people here are unsophiscated in their analysis.. I'd beg to differ.. Ive known many of these posters for many years.. some personally some online.. and many are quite sophisticated in their understanding of issues etc.. it's easy to say 'others' arent up to your standards .. this forum is one of the few left that is totally free speech.. with very little moderation..and chris and I created this forum with that purpose in mind.. If you want more analysis have at it.. many people would chime in I'm sure.. make this forum what you want it to be.. with threads or posts that you've researched etc.. and see how it developes.. chris and I dont 'drive' this bus so to speak, it's up to the posters..
#168. To: SmokinOPs (#157)
Jim Webb is hardly a career politician.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not commenting on it because it was a career politician's response to another politician who was a failure in private life.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#169. To: scrapper2 (#159)
I was on Liberty Post defending Webb - after they used his writing about an actual South East Asian custom of affection to boys(the so called pedophile oral incident in Webb's book) to try and swift boat him - shocking to the ignorant GOP Freeper Bush bots that such customs exist even though in the Old Testament we have such similar examples (swearing of oaths by touching your father's inner thigh) In fact the word 'testify' comes from testicles - in Rome you swore an oath cupping your testes. But even now I read Freepers calling Webb a pervert. How can I belong to such a movement of unthinking dolts? I thought this forum would be a better fit than libertypost but no such luck. I will go back to Libertyforum I guess.
Firstly, several of us here posted quite abit about Jim Webb when he was running against Allen in November - long threads actually - I don't recall your getting involved in those discussions.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#170. To: scrapper2, bluedogtxn (#159) (Edited)
I must have posted THOUSANDS of articles online just under the name of Destro - be it on Freerepublic - LibertyForum - Libertypost though not much on freedum4um. Google Destro and any of the above forums.
Fifthly quit your bitching about illumanati articles and instead of picking up your marbles and walking away, roll up your sleeves and do some research and post some articles that would make for a different more realist take on politics. I'm with you. I am not much for the illuminati articles - they're not my cup of tea - so I don't post on those threads - it doesn't bother me that others do - I do something more concrete, I actually post articles and post to threads I am interested in. Maybe you should do the same
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#171. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, christine, Zipporah (#169)
I thought this forum would be a better fit than libertypost but no such luck. I will go back to Libertyforum I guess. What does your defense of Webb on Liberty Post have to do with your baseless criticism of nothing of substance ever appearing on THIS FORUM about Webb? I just presented you with several examples of when Webb was discussed on a couple of threads recently on THIS FORUM and also when his "star power" was pointed out on THIS FORUM even when he wasn't a senator yet. I even gave you on a platter a good October/06 article from The Nation ( which you did not bother to read)that analyzes some strengths and weaknesses of Webb that could be posted right here and now which would get the pot stirred if you truly were interested in hearing different opinions/takes on Webb. After all of our efforts, you basically ignore everything we've pointed out and say - feh, I'm jumping to libertyforum anyways. Nice - it sounds like you made up your mind long before you started this grousing nothing's good here sub-thread. Too bad bluedogtxn and christine and Zipporah and I expended time and energy on taking your concerns seriously. It's obvious that you could care less what we offered as possible remedies to make you feel more at ease here or/and intellectually stimulated. Bon chance at libertyforum. I hope it offers you the political discussion nirvana world you think exists in cyberland.
I was on Liberty Post defending Webb. But even now I read Freepers calling Webb a pervert. How can I belong to such a movement of unthinking dolts?
#172. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, christine, Zipporah (#170)
Google Destro and any of the above forums. Whatever. How does that activity elsewhere relate to this forum? I checked what articles you posted here for the past month more closely and there were about 12 in the past 30 days and I don't recall seeing anything about Webb - maybe I missed it. I admit I was wrong to claim you hadn't posted since November - but on the otherhand I don't see any busy worker bee ethic on your part to support your grumbling that there's no discussion about Webb or anything intellectual that isn't illuminati related or that you don't fit in - it's not like your articles have been ignored - you just don't post that many here to come to that conclusion, frankly. But go to libertyforum if that's where you want to spend of your time. I could care less what you do. I just don't think it's fair of you to make broad brush stroke damning statements about this forum.
must have posted THOUSANDS of articles online just under the name of Destro - be it on Freerepublic - LibertyForum - Libertypost though not much on freedum4um.
#173. To: scrapper2, Destro (#172)
We never talked about helicopters all that much. Look, Destro, it's all recorded in the machine.
sometimes there just aren't enough belgians
#174. To: scrapper2, Destro (#172)
i agree. just go. in my opinion, it was mr. arrogant's intent to demoralize us.
I just don't think it's fair of you to make broad brush stroke damning statements about this forum.
#175. To: Destro, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull (#144)
Because if the fireproofing isn't sprayed on (a chemical retardant mixed with ground up PAPER) then if a main load bearing beam is compromised even in the slightest, the building will have to be razed. It's impossible to replace critical members in finished structures and even an isolated fire could result in a loss of tensile strength. Even if the beam is strong enough to support the load but it falls below design specs then the structure must come down. So, the fireproofing protects the beam and at a glance shows the inspectors that the temps reached were never critical and the integrity of the beam is not in question. I'm a former steel mill electrician and neither the mill nor the iron workers/erectors have anything to do with the fireproofing, so, working in steel doesn't make you an expert. In fact, your assertion that it somehow qualifies you proves that you're a 2nd rate bullshitter.
Then why fireproof? If steel is heat resistant like that why spend millions to fireproof?
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Couldn't help but laugh at this line, JT..........its rather hard to find your conclusion meritorious when one realizes you were known as Mr. Spam in another lifetime.....LOL.
Their obsessive study of what I consider a book of fiction could rightfully be considered a mental disorder.
#177. To: rowdee (#176)
Both the Spam issue and the good book are fiction, dee. Neither happened.
#178. To: Destro (#169)
Other than a comment to JT, I wasn't going to post any comments. However.... Earlier up the thread, you mentioned Serbia. FWIW, I was one at TOS1 at the time we were bombing the hell out of Serbia/Yugoslavia in '99 who was contacting the legislature in an attempt to get the BS stopped. Was also working with a group who was trying to find the real reason for this horrorific action on our part. But mainly, I want to say, here you are talking down this forum, as though virtually everyone is beneath you........and then when you're shown to be wrong about the inattention to Mr. Webb, you come up with the excuse you were somewhere else defending his literary works. So, you really have no idea what has transpired on this forum regarding Webb--but that doesn't prevent you from making your foolish statement. Now, rather than even a feeble attempt to apologize for your misunderstanding or not understanding what has occurred here, you'd apparently rather tuck tail and run to the next forum, i.e., KOS. This, of course, after your obvious misquoting scraper, and refusing to straighten out that misunderstanding. Having been on TOS1, you should well then know the old saying about the door and all that jazz, right? You need to dismount from your exceedingly tall horse and develop some communication skills--relax and have some discussions based on what you want the forum to focus on. Different strokes for different folks was a lesson I brought with me thru life from a Leadership and Motivation Seminar I attended.
#179. To: HOUNDDAWG (#175)
I didnt know that.....about the fireproofing stuff! I knew about the bullshitter, though.
#180. To: Jethro Tull (#177)
Yeah..........uh huh..........right.
#181. To: scrapper2 (#159)
I don't have anything against Webb, but when it comes to candidates for Pres - Ron Paul is hard to beat. Paul has been the ONLY true voice of reason in congress for many years. He has consistently voted in favor of "Joe Six Pack", has repeatedly called for an audit of America's gold holdings, has repeatedly called for a return of our currency to a gold standard, and is thoroughly aware of the many huge government frauds like the income tax (he was interviewed in Freedom to Fascism on the matter). He was one of only 6(!) to vote "Nay" on the invasion of Iraq. He knows how government has usurped the Constitution, and feels those wrongs need to be "undone" and return to abiding by the Constitution. He is against the Patriot Act, the North American Union, and the Military Commissions Act. I think we'd be hard pressed to do any better.
But a couple of months ago, Webb wasn't a trendy household name as he is today after his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#182. To: innieway (#181)
I agree with you that Dr. Ron Paul is a quality candidate. But I think he's too old to be attractive to most Americans. And I suspect he's burned too many bridges within the GOP. Sadly I think Americans are really stuck on youth and image. I think Jim Webb has that Kennedy all American look - he'd be easier to package and sell and he has not been in office or in gov't too long to have burned bridges. Although Webb is known as a bit of a hothead so he might burn bridges in short order too.
I don't have anything against Webb, but when it comes to candidates for Pres - Ron Paul is hard to beat.
#183. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Very sad but true. As much as I hate to admit it, I think his chances of winning the election are about on par with an ant climbing up an elephant's leg with rape on his mind. Sadly, the most likely scenario is NOT going to be a real choice at all. Hillary vs McCain or some equally disgusting shit... It's not about who wins the popular vote. Bush lost the popularity contest twice.
I agree with you that Dr. Ron Paul is a quality candidate. But I think he's too old to be attractive to most Americans. And I suspect he's burned too many bridges within the GOP.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#184. To: Destro (#153)
Why don't you ask your French experts what "impact damage" building 7 suffered that was so great as to cause it's collapse, when buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 all suffered at least as much if not more impact damage and DID NOT COLLAPSE??? Like I said, just because you have a good education or a high-paying job doesn't mean you have one fucking lick of common sense.
I work with the world's leading metallurgists - they agree with the offical conclusions that the fire and impact damage to the steel beams caused the failure.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#185. To: innieway (#184)
Like I said, just because you have a good education or a high-paying job doesn't mean you have one fucking lick of common sense. But, in order to understand all that tech stuff you have to read the report in the original Greek! ;)
Why don't you ask your French experts what "impact damage" building 7 suffered that was so great as to cause it's collapse, when buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 all suffered at least as much if not more impact damage and DID NOT COLLAPSE???
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#186. To: rowdee (#179)
LMAO!
I didnt know that.....about the fireproofing stuff! I knew about the bullshitter, though.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#187. To: innieway, christine, Zipporah, rowdee, robin, lodwick, destro (#152)
I didn't see your post before I commented. (#152) Excellent post and you covered it all.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#188. To: Destro (#68)
Nobody likes their territory over-run by strangers, it's the way people are. When the Europeans came to America, the natives who had been here for some time didn't like it for all reasons mentioned. We are all encouraged to bemoan the loss of the Native American culture still, but when present-day Americans complain about Mexicans not assimilating as they take over, they are accused of being low-IQ unenlightened rednecks and so on. It's all part of the plan to demonize anyone who is against the planned demographic change of the US, by inferring that they are ignorant people if they are against it. People don't like it because of all the reasons mentioned which is normal among people who want to see their genes survive and live on into the future, just like the Native Americans wanted.
Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized.
#189. To: Red Jones (#76)
I used to be naive in that I believed that if a person was a Christian and went to church that meant they were a good person. I have found out that this is not the case, there are some very cruel and self-rightous so-called Christians out there, people who are nothing like what Jesus said people should be like. I have run into some downright creepy Christians. I think a lot of those are not at all sincere and are into it strictly for image (or money if they are crooked preachers).
I don't myself agree with the assertion at top of this thread, that people who quote bible are 'head cases'. But people say this out of frustration, and i sure don't blame them for being that way.
#190. To: robin, scrapper2, Destro, christine, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG (#83)
I'll admit to being somewhat sad that the culture we knew is going, going, gone. It's okey and even encouraged for other minorities and ethnic groups to embrace their cultures, but if white people want to hold onto their's they are deemed biased, ignorant rednecks. I'm tired of labels and accusations and pretension, we should not have to give in by being labeled as stupid and evil if we don't like our culture being destroyed and ridiculed. Blacks are encouraged to embrace black culture, Jews embrace their culture and heritage, Asians the same and so on, but if white Americans want to retain their culture they get called racist and bigoted and to avoid being labeled as such they end up denying their own identity in order to fit in. It shouldn't have to be that way.
Economic reasons are the only reasons I see posted here.
#191. To: Destro (#87)
Those groups didn't come to America in great numbers, and they are much more similar to Europeans than Mexicans are, being that they are mostly European. Not everyone can assimilate completely into any group, to think they can is out of the blank-slate theory of the 1960s which mostly marxist types refuse to let go of even though it's been discredited for some time now. For instance I am almost certain that Australian Aborigines would have a difficult time assimilating into Japanese society. Look at what a great job (not) the Arab muslims are doing with their assimilition into European culture.
You have to stretch credibility very much to say Mexican culture is more removed from American culture than say the culture of Greek Americans or Russian Jews or Lebanese Arab Christians or Armenians. Yet these people melded into American culture and contributed greatly to this nation's wealth because their parents could pull themselves out of poverty.
#192. To: Diana (#191)
America has become a whore house for foreign johns.
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#193. To: Destro, blackeagle (#130)
I mean once Germanics were considered violent, mindless beasts - so much so that one tribe's ethnic name gave the world the word and concept of 'vandal'. It always seems to boil down to Germany in the end. I think we are seeing Eye for an Eye carried out to the extreme.
#194. To: Destro (#130)
"Vandalism" is from the French vandalisme, which originated during the French revolution. The verb vandalize is first recorded in 1800. The term "vandalism" has come to mean senseless destruction as a result of the Vandals' sack of Rome under King Geiseric in 455. Historians agree that the Vandals were no more destructive than other invaders of ancient times. During the Enlightenment, Rome was idealized, so the Goths and Vandals were disparaged.
I mean once Germanics were considered violent, mindless beasts - so much so that one tribe's ethnic name gave the world the word and concept of 'vandal'.
#195. To: Diana (#194)
I like both the germans and the french too. I don't what the propaganda says.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
#196. To: Diana (#190)
This is an excellent point and one that ticks me off to no end. Multiculturalism is code-speak for the destruction of white culture. Today's American cultural elites deem it acceptable that our Attorney General Gonzalez attend and address the radical group, La Raza (The Race), but should a white person dare listen to David Duke or Jared Taylor, they're classified white separatists. I reject the effort to be made to feel guilty about being pro- white. Such pride is acceptable - and encouraged - among other cultures, therefore it’s only the politically correct among us who feel uncomfortable and they’re nothing more than the enemy within.
It's okey and even encouraged for other minorities and ethnic groups to embrace their cultures, but if white people want to hold onto their's they are deemed biased, ignorant rednecks.
#197. To: Jethro Tull (#196)
JT, you haven't got the stomach for this at all. Your cowardice comes from a lifetime of being brainwashed by jooos. That, and your filthy Hibernian genes.
but should a white person dare listen to David Duke or Jared Taylor, they're classified white separatists
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#198. To: Redheadedstranger (#197)
Shoot down a quick Bloody Mary and return when your head stops pounding.
#199. To: bluedogtxn (#160) (Edited)
But any other site counts as less pathetic. You aren't going to find perfection on any site.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#200. To: All, Jethro Tull, lurkers, posters (#199)
Let me briefly climb on this soap box here and preachify awhile. Now, I left this 4um in '05, after reaching an epiphany and realizing that 90% percent of my comrades on this site were morons, devoid of two brain cells to rub together, and it was impossible to have an intelligent conversation, among the five or six good posters on the site, in this days, because numbskulls were always intefering. Most posters on this site are both reactionaries and sensationalists by nature. Their hobbies are the hobbies of middle-aged and elderly women: sex gossip, bush bashing, and superfluous conversation. This makes the site quite boring and un-appealing. Moreover, it further doesn't help that this board is run by women. A board run by women can only reach a certain, low level of prominence. I have said as much to Goldi-lox, on several occassions, on LP, and I have no fear of repeating it here. So if you are an honest, intelligent and un-feminized member of this site you won't be offended by my frankness, because you will be among the 10% of decent posters.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#201. To: Redheadedstranger (#200)
I understand your hostility considering how all of the women who post here have bested you in any argument you've engaged in. That said, you could always start your own forum. Stone's place is ripe for a hostile take-over. If that doesn't appeal to you, please ring Destro and meander off with him into the sunset like two Brokeback cowboys.
Moreover, it further doesn't help that this board is run by women. A board run by women can only reach a certain, low level of prominence.
#202. To: Jethro Tull (#201)
Where? Post the link, JT.
I understand your hostility considering how all of the women who post here have bested you in any argument you've engaged in.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#203. To: Redheadedstranger (#202)
No need to post them, it's common knowledge. But if that isn't enough for the your inner misogynist, go pick a fight with one of the girls just like you did back in grade school. Yeah, what fun that was, eh?
#204. To: Jethro Tull (#203)
Actually, it's bullshit, because I haven't seriously argued with anyone on this board. Because aside from Burkeman1, the Mad Artist, Destro, and a few others, EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD ARE my intellectual inferiors. And that includes you.
No need to post them, it's common knowledge.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#205. To: Redheadedstranger (#204)
Didn't you once say Buckeroo had lots to offer? Anyway, shit or get off the pot and please stop bullying the women here. It's unbecoming.
Actually, it's bullshit, because I haven't seriously argued with anyone on this board.
#206. To: Jethro Tull, blackeagle (#196)
I got the shivers a little while ago when I read the post further up by blackeagle where he pointed out hypothetically that in order to get rid of racism, if all third-worlders would immigrate only to black countries, how that would result in the genocide of the black population living in those black countries. I never thought of it that way but he is right, and as we all know in reality this scenario is only happening to white countries. When the Europeans came to the Americas, it pretty much spelled death to the native Americans who had been here for thousands of years. I've read some material from La Raza, they talk about how the old (?) white people need to go back to Europe and give them their land back, even though indiginous Mexicans lived further south in pre-Columbian times, and TX for instance was inhabited by different tribes who hardly exist now. What I observed from living in TX for quite a few years was once the Mexicans came pouring in, they were not grateful or humble, they didn't try to fit in for the most part, many of them had a defiant attitude, many of them had nothing but comtempt for the gringo/gringa, and already in the early 90s they had radical groups telling them they deserved the land, free this and free that. I got tired of it all, feeling like a stranger in a place I had lived in for some years, and finally left in the late 90s. Of course where I am now I'm in the minority again, but at least there are only two ethnic groups which makes things much easier, plus Eskimos are gentle people, aggression is taboo in their culture though the trouble-makers in the big cities do all they can to persuade them to hate the few white people in their midst. It doesn't work too well though since cooperation is so important in their culture, as survival is very important in this cold and rugged land, and traditionally difficult people were banished, so after living that way for at least 3000 years it's hard for them to act like jerks. In this sparsely-populated area the white people are like the guests and do their best to fit in and learn the customs like living off the land and sharing resources. The two groups get along well except for maybe a short period after the yearly hate-white-people convention in Anchorage put on by the radicals, who are not Eskimos or from any of the other Alaska native tribes.
#207. To: Redheadedstranger (#200)
LOLOLOL!!!
Their hobbies are the hobbies of middle-aged and elderly women: sex gossip,
#208. To: Redheadedstranger (#200)
That was great. I want to make this my new tagline, it will be my first one.
Their hobbies are the hobbies of middle-aged and elderly women: sex gossip, bush bashing, and superfluous conversation.-- Redheadedstranger
#209. To: Diana (#190)
I'm tired of labels and accusations and pretension, we should not have to give in by being labeled as stupid and evil if we don't like our culture being destroyed and ridiculed. Blacks are encouraged to embrace black culture, Jews embrace their culture and heritage, Asians the same and so on, but if white Americans want to retain their culture they get called racist and bigoted and to avoid being labeled as such they end up denying their own identity in order to fit in. your comments are right on...
It's okey and even encouraged for other minorities and ethnic groups to embrace their cultures, but if white people want to hold onto their's they are deemed biased, ignorant rednecks.
#210. To: Jethro Tull (#205)
Buck is a respected and model poster at LF. He posts there regularly, now.
Didn't you once say Buckeroo had lots to offer?
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#211. To: Redheadedstranger (#200)
Bored? I can't think of any other reason you'd post this drivel other than to get an inflammatory reaction to liven up a boring day. Try video games.
So if you are an honest, intelligent and un-feminized member of this site you won't be offended by my frankness, because you will be among the 10% of decent posters.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#212. To: Redheadedstranger (#200)
Now, I left this 4um in '05, And by the way... Apparently you didn't.
Let me briefly climb on this soap box here and preachify awhile.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#213. To: bluedogtxn (#211)
YOu haven't been paying attention, one of my hobbies is baiting 4um posters.
I can't think of any other reason you'd post this drivel other than to get an inflammatory reaction to liven up a boring day.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#214. To: bluedogtxn (#212)
I'm on a comeback tour.
Apparently you didn't.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#215. To: Diana (#206) (Edited)
I agree, he expressed my thoughts exactly. The people supporting open borders are the same ones who gave us forced busing in the 60s. I was living in NYC when that scheme was launched and it fueled white flight to the suburbs and balkanized the city. It remains that way today, only it's worsened. Given that lack of success, it's only reasonable (not) that the elites force this integration on the scale of nations. We're old enough to remember the fall of white South Africa. Now Great Britain is a mixed mess, and last night I posted an article on Australia and it's failed attempt to assimilate races. Since the track record of forced integration is failure, my only conclusion is that this unfettered illegal invasion is an attempt to foster the destruction or our nation and culture. I still remain amazed at the naiveté of some Americans. The invaders aren’t quiet about their goals or hatred of whites, yet some otherwise reasonable folk choose to look the other way while our land is reclaimed block by block, city by city, all in the name of the NAU. When, and if, they wake up it just might be too late.
blackeagle
#216. To: Redheadedstranger (#200)
I read the thread and to me it looked like you got run off for being an asshole.
Now, I left this 4um in '05, after reaching an epiphany and realizing that 90% percent of my comrades on this site were morons,
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
#217. To: Diana (#190)
Just what culture is that? Richard W.
if white Americans want to retain their culture they get called racist and bigoted
#218. To: bluedogtxn (#212) (Edited)
This Ponchy's reaction each time robin kicks his ass. He wasn't playing for real.
YOu haven't been paying attention, one of my hobbies is baiting 4um posters.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
#219. To: Jethro Tull, Redheadedstranger (#201)
What is with this new trend of women-bashing? I've noticed these past couple years posts on forums and articles where women are blamed for the ills of American society, they talk about the "feminization" of America (police tasering people to death, the plethora of porn and torture videos on the net, Gitmo and Hummers, all that is feminine??). They gripe that women get themselves pregnant so men will unlawfully be forced by courts to pay child suppport (whatever happened to marriage and raising children? Is that considered bad and abnormal now?) I just find it very strange, and I'm surprised at the number of men who seem to fall for it as it goes against nature. Perhaps this is being done so that when they end up drafting women for combat people won't complain as much, who knows. I'm telling you these radicals are busy stirring the pot all over the place targeting many groups, and doing a great job at breaking up American society.
#220. To: Redheadedstranger (#200) (Edited)
Is it possible to be un-feminized and female at the same time? Or do you mean that you think only men should post?
So if you are an honest, intelligent and un-feminized member of this site you won't be offended by my frankness, because you will be among the 10% of decent posters.
#221. To: Arete (#217)
Well for starts, take any text used in a black study course at any of our major universities then substitute white for black, for both achievement and color. Think that would fly? No? Why not?
Just what culture is that?
I work hard, every day of my life, just stayin' alive.
#222. To: Destro, Red Jones (#79)
working my way through this....started to read about the Millerites....waste of time...doesn't apply to me....my sense of 'timing' is based on Red Jones' tagline, Gal. 3:29.....and things that have recently come to light. Americans have re-embraced the Millerite wave of old.
#223. To: Redheadedstranger (#214)
Oh. Like the Little River Band in 1990. Carry on, then.
I'm on a comeback tour.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#224. To: Diana (#190)
It's okey and even encouraged for other minorities and ethnic groups to embrace their cultures, but if white people want to hold onto their's they are deemed biased, ignorant rednecks. I'm tired of labels and accusations and pretension, we should not have to give in by being labeled as stupid and evil if we don't like our culture being destroyed and ridiculed. Blacks are encouraged to embrace black culture, Jews embrace their culture and heritage, Asians the same and so on, but if white Americans want to retain their culture they get called racist and bigoted and to avoid being labeled as such they end up denying their own identity in order to fit in. It shouldn't have to be that way. Word up sista! *holds up African Marxist fist*
I'll admit to being somewhat sad that the culture we knew is going, going, gone.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#225. To: Minerva (#218)
Well, he's apparently just a lightweight.
YOu haven't been paying attention, one of my hobbies is baiting 4um posters. This Ponchy's reaction each time robin kicks his ass. He wasn't playing for real.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#226. To: Minerva (#216)
I read the thread and to me it looked like you got run off for being an asshole. I'm dyin' here! BWAAAAAAAH! :)
Now, I left this 4um in '05, after reaching an epiphany and realizing that 90% percent of my comrades on this site were morons,
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#227. To: Diana (#219)
You oght to read Lakoff's book "Don't think of an Elephant", about potitical framing. Bashing women is part and parcel of the new "conservativism" which is neither conservative nor new.
What is with this new trend of women-bashing?
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#228. To: Redheadedstranger (#210)
Chop-chop....
Buck is a respected and model poster at LF. He posts there regularly, now.
#229. To: scrapper2, Destro, richard9151, Red Jones (#159)
So apply the advice you give to others about "doing concrete things" and start researching and posting articles on subjects you want discussion and opinions on. scrolling through and for some reason that jumped out at me....richard posted an article that got 19 views the last time I looked [at least two were mine], that presented a huge problem with a concrete solution and nobody seems interested....I wondered last night where everyone was, now I know.... richard's thread [two actually] on CAFR's Scam On American Taxpayers http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=44241 CAFRs Government Control and You http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=44249
#230. To: Redheadedstranger (#210)
Yeah, what happened to that guy who used to post as 'American' over there? He was wicked smot...
Buck is a respected and model poster at LF. He posts there regularly, now.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#231. To: rowdee, christine, Scrapper2, Destro (#178)
He did admit earlier in this thread that he needs to work on his humility... At least he recognizes that, he is fun to argue with too. Plus isn't he only 23 or something?
You need to dismount from your exceedingly tall horse and develop some communication skills--relax and have some discussions based on what you want the forum to focus on. Different strokes for different folks was a lesson I brought with me thru life from a Leadership and Motivation Seminar I attended.
#232. To: Jethro Tull (#228)
JT this thread is getting increasingly pathetic, but what the hell, I'm keeping your thread going,anyway, in spite of Palo-lite and Litest.
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#233. To: Red Jones, richard9151 (#229)
re: verse 10 I think Babylon here is spiritual, but here is another article that sheds more light on my first post, of America as "Israel". richard...I think you'll appreciate this: "The Talmud is the teaching of the Pharisee and originated in Babylon. It was sent out into the world in 1040 AD from Babylon. [Note - that is why the captors and plunderers named the tax form the 1040]....." GOING TO "BABYLON" GOING TO BABYLON GOING TO THE PROPHETS AND TO BABYLON. By. Pastor Peter Peters. There is a prophetic significance to American troops going to Babylon and to the dates the ... http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/book%20files/GOING%20TO% 20BABYLON2.htm [It's a very interesting read.] and blast from the past... 4um: Who Owns You? GOING TO THE PROPHETS AND TO BABYLON By Pastor Peter Peters. http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/book%20files/GOING% 20TO%20BABYLON2.htm ... **** http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19215
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html#13
#234. To: Diana (#231)
That's...1/6 of your own age, isn't it?
Plus isn't he only 23
"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222
#235. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Minerva, Diana, Zipporah, rowdee (#200)
So if you are an honest, intelligent and un-feminized (sic) member of this site you won't be offended by my frankness, because you will be among the 10% of decent posters. And here you see what happens when potty training goes badly. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Not only will his debilitating misogyny forever prevent him from having a meaningful relationship with a woman, but he uses poor grammar, syntax and spelling in this pitiful attempt to convince himself that he's our intellectual superior. ("If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!") Even if that's true, who else but a sad, lonely, angry, habitual porn consuming masturbator would care about such a thing? Those of us who were nurtured lovingly by our mothers know that always there will be greater and lesser among us, and we derive no ego crutch from the delusion that we're "superior" to 100% of one sex and 90% of the other. I submit that exceptional individuals never get caught trumpeting their "gifts" for the world to "admire". And, if they are indeed incapable of loving or being loved by women (hey, some moms have good reasons I'm sure) then the best of life is passing them by, and who would want to be among them?
Moreover, it further doesn't help that this board is run by women. A board run by women can only reach a certain, low level of prominence. I have said as much to Goldi-lox, on several occassions,(sic) on LP, and I have no fear of repeating it here.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#236. To: Jethro Tull (#215)
When I was in high school in the 70s I had this idea that I wanted to move to Australia. I really checked into it and found out that they had very strict immigration laws, only white people could move there and you had to have a skill that an Australian didn't have. It was almost impossible to move there, so I gave up on that idea, not that it would have panned out anyway as I was 15 and my family would not have allowed it, but it was a thought. How things have changed there since! Of course this is not happening to the Asian countries with homogeneous populations. In fact I believe they are still allowed to have strict immigration laws so that their countries do not become destroyed too. It would be interesting to find out Japan's immigration laws, I think I'll look that up.
Now Great Britain is a mixed mess, and last night I posted an article on Australia and it's failed attempt to assimilate races.
#237. To: Arete (#217)
Richard W. Anymore that's a good question as we've been inundated with other cultures for a few decades now. I can tell you much more about African-American culture for instance as white American traditions have been purposely blotted out. I know the PTB would like for people to think that white culture is living in trailers, drinking beer, watching sitcoms on a broken-down tv set, eating fast food, burping, collecting guns, having promiscuous sex, and hating black people, though I don't think they are focusing so much on hating black people these days oddly. Maybe their days are numbered too. Since I didn't live in the old days it would be harder for me to answer that question. Most of my life that sort of thing has been discouraged, but I think of white culture as styles of art, music, literature, architecture, values, hobbies and customs, cooking, manners, fashion, etc. though back when all that still existed they were regional depending on which part of the US you lived in.
Just what culture is that?
#238. To: HOUNDDAWG (#235)
i doubt anyone cares, beyond some amusement value, about his 'legend in his own mind' pitiable offerings here or anywhere.
#239. To: Arete (#217) (Edited)
A few weeks before Christmas I was standing in line at the post office with a friend, she was in front of me and wanted to buy stamps. When she got to the counter she told the woman she wanted to buy some Christmas stamps. The postal worker woman told her they didn't have any this year, they only had Kwanzaa and Hanukkah stamps. My friend just stood there for a moment looking puzzled and then said nevermind and ended up not buying any stamps. She's Eskimo but they tend to be Christians and celebrate Christmas. All cultures matter and are important, but there's no good reason to kill off any of them, including traditional European Americana, for all it's good or bad depending on anyone's viewpoint.
Just what culture is that?
#240. To: Diana (#194)
Funny how that works.
Historians agree that the Vandals were no more destructive than other invaders of ancient times. During the Enlightenment, Rome was idealized, so the Goths and Vandals were disparaged.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#241. To: bluedogtxn (#227)
It certainly isn't conservative, using the genuine definition, in the least. It strikes me as very odd.
Bashing women is part and parcel of the new "conservativism" which is neither conservative nor new.
#242. To: rowdee, Kamala, Destro (#178)
Good analysis and summary. BTW, there have been long threads on 9/11 from which many, many excellent points were made that Destro never responded to, skipping over all meaningful discussion and posting remarks like the one above and posting one poor quality image (ignoring all the videos we directed him to), to make his "case" (which is the govt version of 9/11).
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#243. To: Redheadedstranger, Jethro Tull (#232)
I so wish I could reach your intellectual level but you know how it is with us females... So I'm Palo-lite, who is Litest? If you don't want beneath yourself by answering me you can tell JT.
JT this thread is getting increasingly pathetic, but what the hell, I'm keeping your thread going,anyway, in spite of Palo-lite and Litest.
#244. To: Diana (#239)
All cultures matter and are important, but there's no good reason to kill off any of them, including traditional European Americana, for all it's good or bad depending on anyone's viewpoint. That's it? White American culture is celebrating Christmas? Holy shit, no wonder I couldn't figure it out. Richard W.
A few weeks before Christmas I was standing in line at the post office with a friend, she was in front of me and wanted to buy stamps. When she got to the counter she told the woman she wanted to buy some Christmas stamps. The postal worker woman told her they didn't have any this year, they only had Kwanzaa and Hanukkah stamps. My friend just stood there for a moment looking puzzled and then said nevermind and ended up not buying any stamps. She's Eskimo but they tend to be Christians and celebrate Christmas.
#245. To: Redheadedstranger (#234)
No, I'm not that old, I'm only 93. That partly explains my goofiness. I just might make it to 138 though, you never know...
Plus isn't he only 23 That's...1/6 of your own age, isn't it?
#246. To: robin, Eoghan, HOUNDDAWG, scrapper2, bluedogtxn, Brian S, Jethro Tull, ... (#242)
i just perused the latest posts on LF. i don't see that they've got posted any better quality or quantity of articles than we have here.
#247. To: christine (#238)
Point taken. As you know I sometimes counsel young lost men when opportunities present, because I can't help but feel sympathy when I see them adrift. But, if I was a woman I wouldn't give them anything until they learn to respect their mothers. If they do that then many of their demons will leave on their own. And, then some charitable gals (the generosity of women never ceases to amaze me) can finish the job of making men of them.
i doubt anyone cares, beyond some amusement value, about his 'legend in his own mind' pitiable offerings here or anywhere.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#248. To: Diana, christine, Scrapper2, Destro (#231)
Diana, I think you missed the tongue in his cheek. This person would not admit he/she/it could be wrong if his/hers/its life depended upon such confession. And that is sad...........about as pathetic as the one whining against wimmen.
He did admit earlier in this thread that he needs to work on his humility
#249. To: Arete (#244)
Richard W. No, that was just an example I was giving you of how traditional American values and customs are being blotted out. On the post before that I answered your question. I can tell you some things about traditional south Louisiana culture from the old days, but somehow I don't think you're really interested in that. I'm not passing any kind of judgement on other cultures, none, they are all interesting and tell the story of the various groups of mankind. However to destroy a culture, to blot out it's memory, is too much like an attempt to blot out a people. Look at any modern public school history textbook, many famous white men of the past are portrayed as bad men, as racists, with their accomplishments nowhere to be seen. I saw 5th grade and 7th grade textbooks recently and they presented the idea of white man as racist and destroyer. There are too many signs pointing to intentions to bring down people with European DNA, that does not make me a bigot, though in your mind it may, but I don't believe in genocide in any form, that's my point.
That's it? White American culture is celebrating Christmas? Holy shit, no wonder I couldn't figure it out.
#250. To: HOUNDDAWG (#235)
Well.........either that or the abortionist was an amateur and bungled badly.
And here you see what happens when potty training goes badly.
#251. To: rowdee (#248)
I'll have to look for that again, perhaps I read it too quickly. Afterall I am 93 years old, for today at least.
Diana, I think you missed the tongue in his cheek. This person would not admit he/she/it could be wrong if his/hers/its life depended upon such confession.
#252. To: christine, destro, rowdee, Diana (#246)
Right. Since you mentioned that, I can tell you that destro seldom engages any of the serious 911 researchers (or any other grownups) at LF and he certainly never claims to be superior to all. But, they are very aggressive there and they can reduce him to tears, and he doesn't like it when he is treated the way he treats people here. I've known who he is from LF for quite some time and to me he was an inconsequential little twit. (even though his screen name was familiar to me for a long time I had not the faintest clue what if anything he stood for there. I see now that he was too intimidated to show his ass then.) For some reason (probably because trolls aren't tolerated and folks are generally better behaved here) he interprets good manners as weakness and he believes he can bully us with his imaginary "big brain".
i just perused the latest posts on LF. i don't see that they've got posted any better quality or quantity of articles than we have here.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#253. To: rowdee (#250)
Well.........either that or the abortionist was an amateur and bungled badly. I can see him sitting at a computer with a coat hanger through his head and typing, "Mom always liked you best...."
And here you see what happens when potty training goes badly.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#254. To: Diana (#249)
A proud white woman is a thing of beauty! Don't let the nig....I mean, African American lovers make you defensive. We know very well that there's a war against majority whites in this country and we don't have to kiss the minorities' or the fawning whites' asses unless (as some sad cases obviously do) one happens to enjoy that sort of thing.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#255. To: Diana (#249)
Well, I suppose if you are a native American kid sitting in a reservation school, that wouldn't be much of a reach, now would it. However, that is besides the point. I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is. Richard W.
I saw 5th grade and 7th grade textbooks recently and they presented the idea of white man as racist and destroyer.
#256. To: Diana (#251)
Don't waste your efforts......seems like the shit stir stick has removed himself from the premises.....probably laughin his ass off.
I'll have to look for that again, perhaps I read it too quickly.
#257. To: Arete, Diana, christine, rowdee (#255) (Edited)
Richard W. It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress". The enemies of white America seem to want to prosper by stealth, collectivist swindle or force. The notion that honest labor is its own reward is thought to be madness in the Marxist circles where your anti white views were heaved up. Indeed the very concept of justice as it can only be rationally defined (by Thos. Jefferson, not Judge Bruce Takasugi) is the product of Anglo-European jurisprudence. No African, Asian or swarthy peoples ever conceived of such a thing nor could they, lacking the necessary genes or intelligence to survive without avarice and plunder.
I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#258. To: Arete (#255)
I agree about the native American kid in school, but the books I read mostly related the bad white men to the black experience which is also valid. In fact the native Americans are a wonderful example of various old cultures being wiped out with the arrival of the new immigrants from Europe, that is what happens. They also were forced to renounce their various cultures, their religions, kind of like how Christianity is being suppressed in this day and age. But never mind these paralells, you're only interested in me giving you some examples of white culture from a time when I wasn't quite born yet. Since that is the case I'll have to give you bits and pieces. In the old days they had zoos where they took good care of the animals and parents who stayed married would bring their children there on weekends. Mothers would stay home with their children while the father went to work. Women made quilts and other handicrafts such as crocheting, they baked pies and they learned to play the piano. Girls were given dolls and taught to sew and sing, and boys played baseball. Children were taught not to touch things that did not belong to them, and were taught to call adults by Mr. and Mrs. and then the last name. They would go to church on Sundays and have Sunday school for the children. They had lawns and gardens and the fathers and boys mowed the lawns and the women liked to garden and plant flowers. In Victorian times there was great emphasis placed on mourning as many children and small babies died. There was an odd but common practice of making doilies out of the hair of the deceased loved one. People went on picnics, people drew and painted pictures, and there were certain manners and mores that people observed in their conduct with one another. People had pets and loved their dogs and cats. They appreciated and created beauty. In the old south women wore corsets around the Civil War era, and they had special fainting couches where they would lay down when they felt dizzy. They also applied makeup to their face which was wax-based, and if they got too close to the fireplace their makeup would melt. They used snuff. They were expected to dress modestly with their arms and legs covered with high necklines for everyday wear. They wore hats as did the men, and proper ladies wore clean white gloves when they went out. They played parlor games, read the bible together at nights, and tried their best to live their lives according to the laws of the bible. Some of the men invented things like electrical appliances and telephones. They wrote poems and novels, and developed medicines and surgical procedures. They went to dances, composed music some of which became famous, they made up recipes. And they weren't harrassed for celebrating Christmas, and they weren't obscenely ridiculed in the press. There was respect for their way of life and culture, and people were taught to love one another and live by the Golden Rule. Hell what do you want me to tell you?! You already know all this stuff and probably more, so what is your point exactly? That there never was an American culture, or never a white Christian culture, or that white people are inherently bad and deserve to be extinguished? It's too easy and fashionable these days to bash whites, we see it all the time, but no group of people is perfect, this is not a perfect world and no one in this world is perfect. White people have commited acts of cruelty without a doubt, but that does not then mean all white people are evil and deserve to die off. Okey, I have written this absurd post for you, if you want me to give you more details I will have to look for some sociology books. Then I can tell you all about powdered wigs of the 18th century and how they were made and how their styles morphed, things like that. Maybe I can tell you more too about the development of the automobile and it's early history.
Well, I suppose if you are a native American kid sitting in a reservation school, that wouldn't be much of a reach, now would it. However, that is besides the point. I still want to know precisely what white American culture is cause I sure as heck am not going to worry about the extinguishing of something that can't even be specifically defined beyond European DNA. So tell me again what white American culture is.
#259. To: HOUNDDAWG, Arete (#257)
Thankyou, you did better than I could, I was trying to be too literal. But I think HONESTY and a sense of awe and appreciation and cooperation sums that up nicely.
It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress".
#260. To: Diana, rowdee, HOUNDDAWG (#259)
Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago. All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture. IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#261. To: Diana, all (#259)
An American culture is one without forced multicultural education with the presumption that all cultures are equal. They aren’t and scientific studies that suggest this should be embraced, rather than dismissed. An American culture is one where the Zionist Lobby doesn’t control our foreign policy by direct control over our elected representatives. We must recognize and oppose wars such as Iraq as being beneficial to Israel, and not America. An American culture is one where “Hate Speech” is a notion for enslaved nations. Am American culture is one where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson run from the law and not president.
For anyone to ask that the our American Culture be defined in a few sentences, misses the point. The change to it has taken decades, so some here (given their age) might not have an historical perspective of what we lived thru. Here are a few things I'd like to see corrected/restored:
#262. To: Arete (#255)
So now you disappear after all that?
#263. To: robin, rowdee, Kamala (#242)
That is a lie - I provided links - pictures to back my statements up. At this point if this was a dive bar the beer bottle would be smashed.
BTW, there have been long threads on 9/11 from which many, many excellent points were made that Destro never responded to,
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#264. To: Jethro Tull, robin, HOUNDDAWG (#261)
An American culture is one where “Hate Speech” is a notion for enslaved nations. Well if I were really 138 years old like Redheadedstrangerwomanhater claims, I could have been around during the Victorian period, but probably too young for the Civil War period. Our neo-American culture is indeed quickly turning into a cold-blooded marxist culture.
The change to it has taken decades, so some here (given their age) might not have an historical perspective of what we lived thru.
#265. To: Destro (#263)
That is the truth. Go re-read those threads yourself. You skipped over almost all the points made and refused to watch any of the 9/11 videos. You posted a very bad photo that supposedly made one of your points, which it failed to do anyway. You had no response whatsoever to the very best arguments. Now go sweep up the broken glass before you hurt yourself.
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus
#266. To: Destro (#263)
Is this a reference point that comes from personal experience?
At this point if this was a dive bar the beer bottle would be smashed.
#267. To: Diana (#264)
You look a hundred years younger, at least. Now, wouldn't be fun to know what the redheadedchickenplucker looks like? Why is it he won't meet other posters (me) in NH? Or CA? Or anywhere else where we might share a bowl of gruel?
Well if I were really 138 years old like Redheadedstrangerwomanhater claims
#268. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, rowdee, Diana, swarthyguy (#252) (Edited)
That your American Muslim dogs who America trained/supplied/used to atatck the Serbian people turned around (or were used) to attack America on 9/11 is karmic payback on a cosmic scale. Any attempt by the 9//11 truthers to minimize the role of Muslim jihadis linked to the black ops programs of America used overseas (and domestically?) - especially the Balkan and Chechen campaigns of the 90s will be fought by me. It is my thesis that the 9/11 demolition theory is a perfect way to discredit all who want to expose the TRUE 9/11 story - the CIA backed jihad of the alst 20 years that somehow led back to the carrying out of 9/11 either by much deserved blowback or on purpose. PS: I was on Freerepublic - Libertyforum was a back up for my many bannings on Freerepublic where my confederates still post articles I find for them along with the background to link the article to the bigger story. On Libertyforum I only post when Blackjade needs a back up there. In fact I was the first to leak the info that men who carried out the 9/11 attacks were from Bosnia's CIA backed jihadi soldiers that Clinton authorized to be imported in to fight the Serbs.
I've known who he is from LF for quite some time and to me he was an inconsequential little twit. (even though his screen name was familiar to me for a long time I had not the faintest clue what if anything he stood for there. I see now that he was too intimidated to show his ass then.)
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#269. To: Diana, rowdee, Jethro Tull, christine (#258)
You folks make me proud. I don't mind explaining but, let's agree not to try to convert any indigenous or peregrine "natives", Mongols, bushmen or semi-Asiatics because they just don't have the genetic equipment to grasp the concept of freedom, morality or spiritual rewards with little tangible mass. If they can't steal it, redistribute it, eat, rape or make an equity loan against it then it's worthless by the measure of their five senses. The nations from whence these critics originated couldn't invent a fly swatter never mind things to feed and improve the world, so let's dispense with the notion of the white man's burden and give them nothing but directions to the nearest minority charity and birthing shelter.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#270. To: HOUNDDAWG, Arete, Diana, christine, rowdee (#257) (Edited)
Including those Europeans the previous White Americans (WASPS) treated like subhumans like the Irish and Italians and Germans? "The Day We Celebrate" by American cartoonist Thomas Nast shows the Irish on St. Patrick’s Day as violent, drunken apes very akin to being blacks themselves. It can best be defined as the transplanting of the European work ethic which gave birth to the previously unthinkable idea of individual liberty, which is "the mainspring of human progress".
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#271. To: Destro (#263)
There you go again.......Destro. I do not get involved with the 9/ll threads, so why drag my name into this issue, for cryin out loud. You've been scolded once for dragging another poster into a topic on which they had not commented. I'm sure you'll be much happier at LF or kos.
BTW, there have been long threads on 9/11 from which many, many excellent points were made that Destro never responded to,
#272. To: rowdee (#271)
My apologies - I just cut and pasted all who were in the box.
There you go again.......Destro. I do not get involved with the 9/ll threads, so why drag my name into this issue, for cryin out loud. You've been scolded once for dragging another poster into a topic on which they had not commented.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#273. To: HOUNDDAWG (#269)
I take that as an attempt to keep us from converting/naturalizing pygmies? Whatchu got ginst short peeples, Dawg? Short peeples with darts? How'd they come up with the idea of poisoning them darts? Doan that count for sumthin on part with a fly swatter, or nearly so?
#274. To: Destro (#272)
Thank you.
#275. To: Diana (#258)
Yes, you indeed have. Richard W.
Okey, I have written this absurd post for you
#276. To: Diana (#262)
Sorry, I was out mowing the grass and throwing the ball around with the kids. The little woman is busy baking pies up for the big church social. Richard W.
So now you disappear after all that?
#277. To: Destro (#154)
I'm staying registered Republican so I have a chance to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.
I just resigned from the GOP and became a registered independent.
You are either with the President, or you are for the Bill Of Rights.
#278. To: PnbC (#277)
That is a good reason - I respect Ron paul very much even if he is a dark horse candidate - he deserves support.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#279. To: robin (#260)
All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture. IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within. A wonderful ancillary post to the others, and I omitted your name among those flagged by mistake.
Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago.
"I don't know how he does it...but I'll tell you the bottom line...
The man got a way with women...HE GOT AWAY WITH MINE!" ;)
#280. To: Arete, All (#275)
Yes, you indeed have. Richard W. So why did you bait me? I told you what you wanted to hear. Some things are hard to define, but if you watch tv or read the news or read magazines like The Week, it's quite obvious there's a war on traditional American values. We now have ubiquitous porn to demonize women, which used to be hard to find due to obscenity laws, we have tv shows such as CSI where the bad guys are too easy to spot as they are over-whelmingly white people with fair coloring, it's insulting, and you can't blame a whole race of people for crimes commited in the past by some of their members. I believe all people matter equally, that God loves all people, we all have a soul and should be treated with dignity. Perhaps you don't believe that and you are projecting your own prejudices onto me. I'm not a "white supremecist" just because I don't like what I see happening in this country, the degradation of all things held sacred, the attempted abolishment and ridicule of Christian ways, the demonizing of white Americans through history, even though in all people's history there are some dark areas, but the whole race's negative traits are screamed from rooftops these days. You can look your nose down at me, report me to the ADL or whatever it is people like you do, but you can't change facts, and you can't deny this insulting process is taking place. I think you are very dogmatic in your thinking and closed-minded as well. We'll all find out the truth in the end.
Okey, I have written this absurd post for you
#281. To: HOUNDDAWG, Arete (#269)
Just because people of European ancestry are being targeted these days doesn't mean other races are lesser than we are. All ethnic groups have good and bad points, and Asians and others have more highly developed traits than we do. I don't think it's about who is best because just as individuals have differences so do ethnic groups. I guess people like Arete don't want to acknowledge that because either he's a closet supremecist, or he truly believes in the blank- slate theory that we are all born exactly the same and are shaped solely by environment, though from his attitude I suspect it stems from his own supremecist mentality. We all have traits good and bad, interesting, funny and so on, but I firmly believe all people should be treated with respect and dignity, and I certainly don't believe in guilt by DNA, taking Eye for an Eye to the extreme. Who are people to decide that whole groups must be exterminated? That is playing God, or more likely the devil, and to pass judgement in that sort of way is the epitomy of evil no matter who does it.
I don't mind explaining but, let's agree not to try to convert any indigenous or peregrine "natives", Mongols, bushmen or semi-Asiatics because they just don't have the genetic equipment to grasp the concept of freedom, morality or spiritual rewards with little tangible mass.
#282. To: Destro (#270) (Edited)
That is a good point. These smug idiots who want to make it illegal to say anything about the degradation of whites taking place simplify things to such an extent that they "forget" that in Europe and America there have been clashes and wars between many of the ethnic groups under the heading of Caucasian. White people are not all the same no more than Africans or Asians are, though those who would have us all destroyed would like to think we are, it makes their job much easier. The English have looked down on the French, the Austrians don't appreciate the Romanians, the Iranians don't like the Afgans, I take it the Greeks and Turks don't like each other, it's just how people are but we all need to rise above it, though that won't happen in this life.
Including those Europeans the previous White Americans (WASPS) treated like subhumans like the Irish and Italians and Germans?
#283. To: Diana, Jethro Tull, robin, HOUNDDAWG (#282)
Many forget - especially certain White groups that have moved up the social ladder and entered WASP society - that some WASPs (not all WASPS) viewed these White European as nothing more than white niggers. For example: Prohibition was largely pushed forward thanks to hatred of Germans and their love of beer and beer gardens - especially drinking beer on - gasps - Sundays! With their families all in the beer garden! Shocking!! Or the fact that the Irish were treated as worse than niggers in America. Why should I as a German or Irish help the group who once considered my people to be niggers as well? What is to stop the dominant white group from turning on my people - who may be Catholic as well as Irish/German/Italian AGAIN once they eliminate the Blacks and Hispanics? Why do you assume because we are white in America we have common cause when the dominant White group of the past - the WASPS did not view other whites as equals? Read the following: http://www.ency clopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/512.html Whole families met in brightly lit and comfortable pubs, and on Sundays women and children joined the men on excursions to the beer gardens. Much of this activity attracted criticism from Anglo-American elites, and the German American response to this criticism provided occasions for political organization along ethnic lines. Temperance and Sunday closing laws touched a similarly raw nerve, attacking fundamental issues of German sociability and way of life. Initially framed as a conflict between Anglo-American whiskey drinking and German beer culture, the liquor issue became a proxy for deeper ethnic divisions. Germans who allegedly wandered through the streets on Sundays, shouting, singing, and intimidating churchgoers and other pious citizens, were a thorn in the flesh of temperance advocates and church officials. German working men and women, who could meet with friends and fellow workers only on Saturday afternoons and on Sundays for leisure and pleasure, regarded the Sunday closing laws as an attack on their culturally specific habits and an infringement on their personal liberties and constitutional rights. For these working-class German Americans, Sunday closing merged class and ethnic interests more than any other issue.
Including those Europeans the previous White Americans (WASPS) treated like subhumans like the Irish and Italians and Germans?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#284. To: Destro (#150)
Finally we're down to your total uselessness and purpose ... to impart a belief in left and right ... hahahahaha !!! I only wish you'd have "left" !
I agree - that is a problem with the left - PC.
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#285. To: Jethro Tull (#267)
Was that a typo??? I figured you meant redheadedchickenchoker.
redheadedchickenplucker
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#286. To: Jethro Tull (#261)
An American culture is one without forced multicultural education with the presumption that all cultures are equal. They aren’t and scientific studies that suggest this should be embraced, rather than dismissed. An American culture is one where the Zionist Lobby doesn’t control our foreign policy by direct control over our elected representatives. We must recognize and oppose wars such as Iraq as being beneficial to Israel, and not America. An American culture is one where “Hate Speech” is a notion for enslaved nations. Am American culture is one where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson run from the law and not president. That WOULD be a good start!!! Then maybe we could work on a few more such as: An American culture is one which abides by and defends it's Constitution including the Bill of Rights An American culture is one in which it's elected officials recognize the fact that they work for us, NOT the other way around - and act accordingly by voting in Congress what their constituents' desire regardless of their personal whims. It also takes ACTION against TYRANTS that refuse to act this way. An American culture is one which does that which is best for it's own citizenry, and DOESN'T meddle in the affairs of other countries. An American culture is one that prohibits the practice of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto - as opposed to practicing all 10, just under a different name. WOW! This "America" sounds like a wonderful place!!! Can somebody please point me to it on a map??? I think I'd like to live there.
Here are a few things I'd like to see corrected/restored:
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#287. To: Diana (#280)
You are making an awful lot of assumptions there sweet pea. Richard W.
You can look your nose down at me, report me to the ADL or whatever it is people like you do, but you can't change facts, and you can't deny this insulting process is taking place. I think you are very dogmatic in your thinking and closed-minded as well. We'll all find out the truth in the end.
#288. To: robin, Diana, rowdee, HOUNDDAWG, Destro, noone222 (#260)
Europeans (once upon a time) embraced Christianty, which brought forward the idea of human rights, and the importance of the individual; not commonly accepted ideas 2,000 years ago. All the old Universities of Europe and the UK were originally started by the church. People like to make fun of the church and say it stifled learning (like the earth not being the center of the universe), but that's not the whole picture. IMO, the Christian values that our forebearers brought to this country are the ones we want to cherish and keep. But like Solomon and his many foreign wives with their many foreign gods, our nation is being corrupted from within. I was searching last night for 'America as Hephzibah', and ran across another article, that reiterates my belief that America is the New Israel, and this excerpt reiterates your statement re the Christian values that used to define this country. I don't agree with everything the author says, but it was written in 1857, and a lot more has come to light since then. Basically, however, he matches Biblical prophecy to the founding of this country, and the purposes for which God founded it. It's still a work in progress, but anyone who is not as blind as a bat, should be able to see God's hand guiding and molding this nation from the beginning. ".....The United States of America is the nationality that is promised in the prophetic Scriptures to arise in the latter times as Israel Restored. It has long been a favorite theory, both with Jewish and Christian writers, that the nationality to be gathered together in the latter days, was understood to mean the returned or restoration of the scattered sons of Abraham to the land of Palestine. We are not surprised at the confidence with which this opinion has been entertained from age to age, because it is a legitimate a priori interpretation, seeing this nationality is called "Israel" by the prophets. In a conversation had with a venerable Bishop of the Episcopal Church, he inquired of us: "Sir, by what construction of language do you make the great nationality, promised to arise in the latter times, to mean the United States? That the Bible authorizes us to expect such a nationality there can be no doubt; but how do you make out that nationality to be the United States of America, as it was promised to be Israel?" To which we replied: "Beloved Bishop, the predictions of the prophets are put up in Hebrew dress; the regalia is Mosaic, the custom is Israelitish. They did not say, friends of civil and religious liberty, Americans, or even Christians; but they used the best terms they had on hand: they said 'Israel.'" Only doff the subject of its Jewish robes, and the symmetrical proportions and sublimity of Christian republicanism are as perfectly delineated as a Grecian pillar. But we will now show that what is reasonable and legitimate is a true principle of interpretation, being authorized by the great Teacher from heaven. Said the disciples to our Lord, "Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?" for it is written, "Behold, I will send Elijah the prophet, before that great and notable day of the Lord." Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist." Now, suppose the difficulty of the pious Bishop were proposed to our Lord: "Master, by what construction of language do you make out that John the Baptist, the son of Zacharias and Elizabeth, is indeed Elias the prophet, which was to come, seeing he is in reality another man altogether?" Does not the same difficulty exist in both cases; and has not our Lord, by answering the objection in one case, removed it in the other? John was "the Elias which was for to come;" not because that was the name by which he was called in his generation among men, but because he came "in the spirit and power of Elias," thereby answering the moral portrait that was drawn by the pencil of inspiration, and was, consequently, declared by the Savior to be indeed the Elias. If, therefore, a great nationality is promised to arise in the latter days, and the United States of America exhibits the character of such nationality, as delineated by the pen of prophecy, arising "in the spirit and power" of Israel to come, and no other nation under heaven ever has or ever can answer the description, then, perfect coincidence being perfect fulfillment, our glorious republic is the nationality which was to be gathered together in the latter times under the prophetic name of Israel. Let it be remembered, that the term Israel was a cognomen of honor, and not the natural right of a Jew. God gave the appellation to Jacob, because "as a prince he prevailed with God. "While the children of Jacob maintained their integrity, they enjoyed this high distinction; but St. Paul defends the application of the term to Gentiles who may possess the proper claims to this honor. [robin:] But perhaps the most plausible bill of exceptions taken to our theory is presented here. It is suggested, with much apparent reason, that we are too wicked and unworthy a people to bear the honored title of Israel. Alas for us, my countrymen! Heaven knows full well that we are wicked enough; for when we consider the special providence of Almighty God, marvelously exercised over us from the very infancy of our organization, through every change of fortune -- what prosperity has crowned our cause -- how we have been guided and guarded by a Divine supervision, as virtually present as the holy Shekinah, "in a cloud by day, and a pillar of fire by night" -- and then look at the abominations that pollute our national escutcheon, it is humiliating in the extreme. Look at the blasphemy that outrages the highest obligation of created beings, marring the purest language on earth, in desecrating the name of the holiest Being in the universe. Look at the violation of even heathen honest, discrediting character in almost all gradations of society. See the frenzy of political parties, disrupting the very bonds of brotherhood; while blood and debauchery infect the air and pollute the earth, bribery, homicide, and murder transpire in the very halls of our nation's councils. But bad as we are, fellow-citizens, we are the very best people upon the face of the earth. The great heart of our magnanimous country beats responsive to the sighs and sorrows of all nations. Our peaceful land is the hospitable home for the oppressed of all countries. Our laws are the transcript of eternal justice. True, we have neither titled dukes nor hereditary lords, but the emoluments of profit and honor are offered to the deserving of all classes, and our loftiest promotions are accessible to the humblest poor. Though denounced abroad by all aristocracy that dooms its own pauper millions to proscription, beggary, and starvation, yet our institutions, which they fain would pity, are the pulsations of health, compared with the plague- spots of pestilential Europe. Already have three hundred thousand of our African population become the Christianized children of God -- a greater number of true Christian converts, heathens as their fathers were who first came amongst us, than are to be found in all the missions of all denominations upon the earth. We have colonized a happy republic also, upon the benighted shores of their fatherland. Our ministers of mercy have gone to every heathen shore, and preached glad tidings to almost every island that dots the bosom of the ocean. Beams of light, radiating from this central home of civil and religious liberty, already break upon the distant millions that weep in the shadow of death. When the noble Greek is crushed by the hoof of Turkish despotism, the halls of our Senate are eloquent with a sympathy that responds in the bosom of a whole people. When Poland, Hungary, and Italy struggle and fall, the hope of the American people struggles and falls with them. When the cry of starvation is heard from ill-fated Ireland, American transports are freighted with the numificent offering of a generous people. And, moved by a magnanimity which knows no parallel, our swift ships are dispatched to recover England's lost navigators in the regions of eternal snow. We have the one living and true God, one Savior, and one religion -- one Constitution, one Confederacy, one Republic, one nationality; therefore, a true religion and a true civil government is the Israel that was to come, the "nation born at once" -- born on the 4th of July, 1776. But let us not be misled by the consecrated name of Israel. For "all are not Israel who are called Israel. **** "A nation possessing the true religion, and enjoying an enlightened and liberal civil government, may have many unbelieving and rebellious people in its midst; and, doubtless, millennial glory, and **** the day of judgment also, will find both the righteous and the wicked, the just and the unjust, the wise and the foolish virgins, for the wheat and tares will grow together until the general harvest, "which is the end of the world." Even Israel restored to nationality will not be the Eden of bliss. It was in the brightest days of the Hebrew nation when the tribes of Jacob were led out to the solitudes of the desert to behold the glory of God revealed upon the sacred mountain. Clouds of awful grandeur encircled its brow. Lightnings rent the mantle of the sky, and deep-toned thunders rocked Mount Sinai from its glowing summit to its granite base. Then, where was Israel -- God's own Israel? Behold him at the foot of the hill making a golden calf! By the term of Israel, therefore, we mean to be understood, a providential nation, possessing the only true religion, and a divinely sanctioned form of civil government. Such, with all its sunshine and shadows, was ancient Israel, and such is the United States of America, and the United States of America alone. As to the scattered Jews -- who have long since lost all genealogical proof of their respective tribes -- forming such great nationality any where, that is supremely ridiculous. That they may return to Jewry, we think highly probable; because every thing formerly connected with that nation was typical. Their fiftieth, or Jubal year, was a time when the scattered Jews returned to their respective homes, and were put in possession or seized of their patrimonial estates. This custom may anticipate the jubilee of the world; that is, when republicanism shall become world-wide. Then the Jews, in masses, may return to Canaan; for the Almighty by deed of gift made Abraham and his posterity proprietors of that land. They may return and form a little Christian republic in Palestine. But to become the great national headship of the world, restore temple worship and priestly offerings, with all the gorgeous paraphernalia of its ancient sacerctotal splendor, is but the pious dream of fanaticism. This simplicity and spirituality of the religion of the Son of God forbids the idea; while the burdensome rites of the Jewish ritual have long since been discarded by the unostentatious loveliness and grace of a Christianity that claims to worship the Father "in spirit and in truth." But even the supposition that they will return and form a literal government in their ancient home may be a mistake. For those prophecies that seem to refer to their literal restoration are interpreted by many worthy divines to foretell their conversion to their long-rejected Savior. This is indeed plausible. "In foreign climes they'll cease to roam' Nor weeping, think on Jordan's flood: In every land they'll find a home, In every temple worship God." And so must it be. But if the Almighty designed to honor a people by raising them to become a great nationality, of whom is it probable such nationality would be composed? Let this question be settled by a plain principle of Divine revelation. Who are the Jews? A persecuted and disbanded people. Why are they persecuted? For rejecting the claims of the Son of God. From his very birth to this day they have, as a nation, derided and discarded him. They sealed the dreadful imprecation at his crucifixion: "His blood be upon us, and on our children." But there is another persecuted people -- the friends of civil and religious liberty. They have been hunted down in every land, like the hart of the mountains. They have been proscribed and execrated, outraged and banished, in every age; and, for conscience' sake, have been martyred by the million. Why were they persecuted, "scattered, and peeled?" For accepting and acknowledging Jesus Christ. Here, then, is the difference. Now, apply an infallible principle which must test this question. Said the adorable Savior, "If any man serve me, him will my Father honor." Is it, then, at all probable that God would honor a people by the promised glorious nationality, who have, as a nation, spurned the mercy of the Prince of peace, and obstinately persisted, before the eyes of all nations, in rejecting the clearest evidence of his Messiahship, during the long, long night of their wanderings; and yet, at the same time, pass by a people who, through every change of fortune, propitious and adverse, have firmly maintained their faith in Christ, and invincibly breasted the storms of persecuting vengeance for his glorious name's sake? Will heaven honor a people who dishonor his Son, and overlook a people who were ready to live and labor and suffer and die in his blessed cause? The case being self-evident, and the rule to determine our judg ment infallible, the decision must be inevitable. Christianity mourns the ill-fated children of a divinely chosen and illustrious ancestry, and ardently prays for their conversion to Christ. But even this glorious consummation our faith beholds far in the distance. That the Jews will ultimately embrace Christianity, we entertain no doubt; but they will be the last nation on the face of the earth that will be converted. For "the blindness that has happened to Israel" will remain "until the fullness of the Gentiles is brought in." That is, the Gentile world will be converted to God before the blindness of infidelity will be removed from Israel. To suppose the conversion of the Jewish nation to be the means of converting the Gentile world, is, consequently, directly opposed by the words of the apostle. In their case we behold the verification of another gospel maxim: "the first shall be last, and the last first." They were the first to hear the blessed tidings of man's redemption from the lips of its glorious Author, "but they received him not." And the Apostle Paul, in his valedictory to his own countrymen, declares, "seeing that ye judge yourselves un worthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." So, also, the melting strains that mingled with the tears of the Son of God over their devoted city announced the same calamity. "0 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wing, and ye would not . . . If thou hadst known, even thou, the things which belong unto thy peace, at least in this thy day, but now are they hid from thine eyes... Henceforth is your house left unto you desolate; for I say unto you, ye shall not see me henceforth till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." That is, Ye shall see me no more until you will be rejoiced to hail me as your Messiah. This is, doubtless, its true meaning. There are very many passages of Scripture which are universally admitted by the learned and judicious to foretell the rise of a great nationality in the latter times. These predictions cannot, by any reasonable construction, be applied to the rise of such nationality in the land of Judea; but are most wonderfully descriptive of the United States of America, and of no other country under heaven.........." http://www.ori ginofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm ....and for the folks who don't like being persecuted for their race, Irish, German, Italian, etc., but feel like they should denigrate others for being "niggers", Mongols, and the like, they should know that God's plan for America includes ALL the races [John 3:16/Gal. 3:16-29/Rev. 5:9-10], and anyone who doesn't like it, will have to get over it, or be forced to find a new home when He takes over. Wait till you get to the part about the North American Union! I knew it....it's all part of God's plan: "Judge nothing till the LORD come.....and all will have praise of God." ".....Third. That wonderful country was to be inhabited by a people "gathered out of the nations. "Ezekiel 38. Not of one nation collected together that had been scattered amongst other nations, but, what is obviously the sense of the passage, composed of people of different nations. This is so prominent a character of the glorious nationality to come, that the prophets seem to dwell upon it with rapture and inspired eloquence. "Lift up thine eyes round about, and see,' all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters be nursed by thy side. Then thou shall see, and flow together and thy heart shall fear, and be enlarged; for the abundance of the sea shall be converted (turned) unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee ... Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as doves to their windows?" The prophet enriches his sublime description by images drawn both from the animal and the vegetable kingdom: "The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee .... The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together. "Isaiah 40. As if the holy seer had said, Emigration shall come from the land where the dromedaries roam; they shall come from the land where the fir tree blooms. "Therefore thy gates shall be open continualy: they shall not be shut day nor night." Did ever such a tide of emigration set into any country since the creation of the world as continually swarms to our hospitable shores'?. Indeed, the citizens of these States, or their fathers, have come from every country under heaven. But the prophet enters into detail. "Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers ... And the sons of strangers shall build your walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee." Now, the walls of a country's defense are its public improvements; and it is notorious that the sons of strangers build most of our public works. " The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at thy feet." [my note: see Rev. 3:9] The sons of the very soldierly that invaded your coasts, murdered your people, and burnt your towns and villages, should come to make your country their home; and those who sneered at your experiment of popular freedom, attempted to crush it in the cradle, predicted the downfall of American Independence, and that liberty would die with Washington, and with his dust receive the same rites of sepulture - yes, even they should come and seek a refuse and a home in your happy land. How imposing the picture drawn by the pencil of inspiration here; and how wonderfully true in its fulfillment. [here it comes: The North-South American Union, and immigration policy according to God - everyone is not gonna like this:] Fourth. In the promised nationality, unlike the political economy of ancient Israel, foreigners were to be allowed a place to dwell, enjoy their homes and the pursuits of happiness in common with the citizens of the country; but it seems from the prophet, the rights of suffrage and eligibility of office were only to be enjoyed by those strangers who had lived long enough in the land to raise their native-born children: "And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. Ezekiel 47:22,23 There could be no propriety in characterizing the class of foreigners who should be blessed with children born in the land, from the stranger who is only a sojourner, whose residence is but recent and transient, unless peculiar privileges were understood to belong to the fathers of native-born children. As we lay no claims to the politician, we will be allowed strongly to approve of this interesting feature in the economy of restored Israel. Our land should always be the welcome home of foreigners; but, at the same time, they should remain long enough to appreciate our blessings, learn our laws, and the genius of our wonderful constitution, before they aspire to dictate or to govern. Fifth. The principle of extension, in enlarging the boundaries of their primary possessions should specially characterize the prosperity of the promised nationality. "Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee ... For thy waste and desolate places shall even now be too narrow, by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up (the autocracy of the Old World) shall be far away, (beyond the sea.) The children which thou shalt have, (in this land,) after thou hast lost the other, (ancient Israel,) shall say again in thy ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell." Isaiah 49:18, 20. Extension seems to be the genius of our free institutions. From thirteen States, we have already multiplied into thirty-one, besides nine territories that soon will be ready to enter into the Union. **** We need give ourselves no uneasiness about Mexico, Cuba, and Central America. Monarchy and anarchy must melt away in the immediate proximity of a glorious republic: while the natural interests of those countries will impel them to seek annexation, that they may also enjoy in common with us the benign blessings of our happy confederacy, **** Indeed, the words of prophecy, legitimately interpreted, warrant that the domain of this nationality will embrace the entire continent of North and South America. For its "dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. "We know this passage is usually applied to Christ, to which we make no objection. But will you restrict it to him? If so, you greatly diminish the universal triumphs of his reign. We are taught that his sway shall be illimitable, and every knee shall bow and pay homage to him. But the passage before us is a clear territorial grant, issued by Divine authority, and must mark the boundaries of Israel that was to come. The geographical description can be found applicable to no other country but ours. Here the grant finds all of its metes and bounds. "From sea to sea;" from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. '!And from the river:" the Mississippi, the father of waters, with its sixty thousand miles of tributary navigation, and the incalculable tonnage of its transports. "Unto the ends of the earth.'" **** to the most remote promontories in the North, and to Terra del Fuego and Cape Horn in the South. We must be excused from dwelling further on the emigration that was to come to this land. These predictions are very numerous and wonderfully accurate -- inspired predictions, that never have been realized, and never can be, unless they are fulfilled in the New World. We will, however, notice one other. Behold, these shall come from far; and, lo, these from the North and from the West; and these from the land of Sinim." Isaiah 49:12. Now, all commentators agree that "Sinim" is China. The fact is, it was its true ancient name: Thinim, Thina, or China. It is so put down in the ancient maps. And China lies "north" and "west," or north-west of us. In the message of Ex- Governor Bigler, of California, some two years ago, it is there published that there were then some sixty thousand Chinese in that State. Now, no commentator questions that this passage describes emigration coming to the land of restored Israel, for the whole continent comfirms it. But how are the Chinese to come from China to Palestine and come from the north-west? It is impossible. **** Here is a promise made of emigration from a distant country, whose inhabitants have never been known to mingle with other nations; here their true ancient name is given; here is the very direction which they were to come; and here is a fulfillment upon a most magnificent scale. Perfect coincidence being perfect fulfillment, our position is demonstration. [here comes Ezekiel 38-39/Rev. 20:7-20, my first post on the thread, but not, Russia, so much as the antiChrist Jews and their confederacy:] Sixth. The land of restored Israel is described as a country restored from its desolations, by the peculiar construction of its towns and villages, and the prosperity and quietude of its inhabitants. In the invasion of this land, at the last great battle, by Russia and the autocracy of the Old World, the prophet thus addresses the power that leads that invasion: "After many days thou shalt be visited: thou shalt come into tile land that is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste; but it is brought out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them ... Thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of un walled villages,' I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates. To take a spoil, and to take a prey;' to turn thy hand upon the desolate place that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations; which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. "Ezekiel 38.'8, 11, 12. Here, my countrymen, is almost a daguerreotype portraiture of your own land. We very much question whether Ezekiel, the prophet ever saw an "unwalled" city in his life. Surely, if old Palestine is to be brought back again to her more than ancient splendor, "unwalled" cities and villages will not be found there. This passage, therefore, can never be applied to Judea; for all her cities were walled, from Jericho to Jerusalem. This remarkable description of the numerous villages and cities, and the possessions, prosperity, and security of the people, is a grand and graphic delineation of the United States of America, and of no other country on earth............." The United States Of America Foretold In The Holy Scriptures by Rev. F. E. Pitts Feb. 22 and 23, 1857 http://www.ori ginofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm I still contend there is a difference between AMERICA [Ezekiel 17:1-6] and the Corporation known as the UNITED STATES [Ezekiel 17:7-10/Mat. 15:13 ]. The United States was still perceived as being "good" in the days this was written, but that was before the leaven of the Pharisees leavened the whole lump, and before they defiled America [Micah 4:11]. [Diana #280]: "....if you watch tv or read the news or read magazines like The Week, it's quite obvious there's a war on traditional American values. We now have ubiquitous porn to demonize women, which used to be hard to find due to obscenity laws, we have tv shows such as CSI where the bad guys are too easy to spot as they are over-whelmingly white people with fair coloring, it's insulting, and you can't blame a whole race of people for crimes commited in the past by some of their members. I believe all people matter equally, that God loves all people, we all have a soul and should be treated with dignity. Perhaps you don't believe that and you are projecting your own prejudices onto me. I'm not a "white supremecist" just because I don't like what I see happening in this country, the degradation of all things held sacred, the attempted abolishment and ridicule of Christian ways, the demonizing of white Americans through history, even though in all people's history there are some dark areas, but the whole race's negative traits are screamed from rooftops these days.........." well said, Diana.
#289. To: Jethro Tull (#288)
btw, I didn't find mention of Hephzibah, until the very bottom of the article: "....Preserved as "an handful of corn scattered on the summit of the mountains, a little one has become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation." "It is the Lord's doings, and marvelous in our eyes;" for according to his promise, "the Lord has hastened it in his time." 0 happy America! O favored children of the free! when will the great heart of they mighty people fully know God and the salvation of his Son! "Then Gentiles and kings shall see thy glory, and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken: neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee. "Then shall thy glory continue; for "Thy sun shall no more go down, neither shall thy moon withdraw itself; for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended." + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4 http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4 ============================================
#290. To: robin, Diana, christine, lodwick, Red Jones, noone222 (#289)
sorry....meant to send that to you, as well.
#291. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#290)
Only when they conduct dialogue with ignoramuses that haven't any knowledge of scripture or curiosity related to them. Most of the instigators of these argumentative threads are simply too stupid or too lazy to study and would prefer to just bitch or poke fun and ridicule others that do study. [Sorta like casting pearls to illiterate piglets].
Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#292. To: Destro (#268)
Face it, it don't matter anymore. It's one for the history books. An issue of faith and belief, facts be damned. Literally, no one wishes to trace the real story of 911 down. The evidence is there at many, many sites - the myriad trails linking Jihadis, the USG and various Sunni countries. But that opens up the issue of American support for Jihadis....... Let it go, Destro, you'll drive yourself nuts. The Russians, the Serbs, the Indians and the French are all well aware of America's reliance on the Saudis, and having dealt out enough cash, the Saudis are safe. Out in the real world, 911 is not of any concern at all. Focusing on the mechanics of 119, the "truthers" have relegated themselves into the margins, loudly chanting in the echo chamber, without any desire or interest to look into America's post ww2 history supporting Islami fundies. Inshallah.
#293. To: richard915, noone222 (#289)
richaard, meant to include you, too....and meant not the double post on the scripture link, but to include this: http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/62/4.html for further understanding.... "land shall be married" Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, New Jerusalem the Bride http://www.historicist.com/ojnj /ojnj6.htm [sorry it's a WHITE Christian Identity site, but other than that, it's pretty good.] noone222: I know; I know....and they are running out of time, I think....the time is fast approaching when the author steps onto the stage....and then it will be too late for those who refused to believe. They will rage and howl, but reject the reward for our travail: Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken: neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee. "Then shall thy glory continue; for "Thy sun shall no more go down, neither shall thy moon withdraw itself; for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended." Eze 34:22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, [even] my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken [it]. Eze 34:25 ¶ And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. Eze 34:26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. Eze 34:27 And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. Eze 34:28 And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make [them] afraid. Eze 34:29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. Eze 34:30 Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God [am] with them, and [that] they, [even] the house of Israel, [are] my people, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 34:31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, [are] men, [and] I [am] your God, saith the Lord GOD.
#294. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#289)
This knowledge hasn't put a dent in the illegal invasion or the development of the NAU, both of which will destroy what's left of this nation. Religion is one of the many reasons those of us who are aware of these schemes can't unify.
btw, I didn't find mention of Hephzibah, until the very bottom of the article:
#295. To: Jethro Tull (#294)
Jethro, no disrespect intended in this response. The big picture is a spiritual one in many people's opinion. However, in order to come to this awareness a dedicated study of scripture is conducive to understanding the enemy that we all want to fight. And they're "huge". Anyway, a little forebearance goes a long way.
This knowledge hasn't put a dent in the illegal invasion or the development of the NAU,
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#296. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#288)
Could you meld this down into just a handful of paragraphs in YOUR OWN WORDS as to what this person is attempting to get across, or the point attempting to be made. To me, it seems like just a conglomeration of mumbo jumbo words. Sorry, I apparently am missing a big point you are trying to make. :(
#297. To: Jethro Tull (#294)
Yep, and Amen. And goodnight, all...rest well.
Religion is one of the many reasons those of us who are aware of these schemes can't unify.
#298. To: Jethro Tull, lodwick (#294)
This knowledge hasn't put a dent in the illegal invasion or the development of the NAU, both of which will destroy what's left of this nation. Religion is one of the many reasons those of us who are aware of these schemes can't unify. Funny, that's what the Bible says, as Pitt explained: "....The division of the fourth empire, as represented by the feet and toes, symbolizes the ten kingdoms, which according to Bishop Newton, was the exact number that actually did arise from the old Roman empire; but that the iron and clay in the feet and toes symbolized the union of Church and Stale, and nothing else. With this interpretation of the words of the angel perfectly agree, and are impressively intelligible: "Whereas' thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. "That is, as a perfect chemical amalgam with the two cannot be formed, because the ingredients will not adhere, so the union of Church and State will never be happy in its combination -- never a harmonious and peaceful union -- but a illegitimate commerce, ***** unsanctioned by the will of God, and runiounous, to the best interests of the human family. "They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men." That is, a superior order of men will join an inferior order: or the Church shall be joined to the State, and, consequently such a government must always be partly strong and partly broken -- a politico-ecclesiastical concubinage that would curse the nations of the earth. Carnally speaking, I don't like the illegal invasion any better than you do, but I know there is a purpose for God allowing it. It should be obvious, as well, that you can fight against something all day long, but if something is "of God", in the final analysis, nothing you do will matter. Men have been fighting God for thousands of years, and He always wins out in the end. Carnally, I hope I'm wrong, and wish you well in your endeavor to stop the invasion. Spiritually, I believe I am correct, and I don't want to be fighting against God's will, and be damned. I'll concentrate on other areas that I know He would approve of. The nation of America won't be destroyed [II Samuel 7:10 says after He has brought His people [true Israel/the church] into their new land, THEY WON'T BE MOVED ANYMORE]; the Jewish corporation known as the United States, the New Babylon, the bane of the world, will end. Ezekiel 17:1- 10/Matthew 15:13]. This has all been a lesson for God's people, true Israel. In I Samuel 8, the first Israel rejected Him from ruling over them. He told them what to expect in the way of the king they wanted. Read about it, and think about what's happening right now, and see if you don't agree. In Ezekiel 20:33- 38, He declared I WILL rule over you, with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out: and I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand.......And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you....And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: and I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me.......... This has its final fulfillment in the church in America. America is where He has chosen to place His Mt. Zion [Psalm 2:6]. It will be the way He wants it to be. If He wants to extend our borders to the whole continent, He will. It may be that they become just "the hills surrounding His mountain" and that once the yoke is lifted off us, and consequently the whole world, a lot of those here now, will go back home. A lot of them would rather be there, if they had not been so oppressed, in order to drive them as a fifth column against America. There is a passage in the Bible to that effect, about people going back to where they came from when God has accomplished all He intends to do. I personally don't think we are going to be able to stop the merger. I think they are just doing God's work for Him. At one point He may just step in and say thank you, Now all nations have become mine. Personally, I also hope this happens before that superhighway is built. There is another passage about them "dividing His land for gain", and He's not too happy about it. Pat Robertson is always applying it to that place in the middle east, but it refers to America. You might not agree, and you might not believe it, but neither did the first Israel believe God, and you can read Josephus [Josephus, Jewish Wars at preteristarchive.com] to see how well he made good on His word.
#299. To: noone222 (#295)
Exactly. Thank you. When we have 40 million deceived Christians in America willing to spend blood and money to bomb the Middle East into submission and in the hopes of starting WWIII, for the benefit of the Zionist state, what better way to make them stop and say Wait, a minute, why should we do that for a bunch of murderers and thieves....WE're Israel, God's chosen people living in God's New Jerusalem, and our God is the Prince of Peace. WHY are we doing this??? Their Achilles heel is that we unite the church and draw others to our cause" "....Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). [B'nai B'rith speech in red at the bottom of the page:" The big picture is a spiritual one in many people's opinion. However, in order to come to this awareness a dedicated study of scripture is conducive to understanding the enemy that we all want to fight. And they're "huge".
#300. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#299)
1st let me offer that it's easier to prove who is not "the chosen" than to prove who is. When considering Palestine/Jerusalem and their proper "citizens" it's easier to demonstrate that those claiming it currently are not rightful possessors, but trespassers. Plus, people will call you a bigot and worse if you tell them they are most probably descendants of the original 10 tribes. [Even if you show them that only one group of people have actually demonstrated operation and fulfillment of the many promises made to Abraham and his descendants]. Just for grins go to the library and look up the International Quality of Life Index and note the top 12 Nations Quality of Life ... these have fulfilled the Promises. Or even easier, look to see if these people that are today called Jews have even fulfilled "ONE" of the Promises made to Abraham.[Hint: The Jews haven't fulfilled even one].
When we have 40 million deceived Christians in America willing to spend blood and money to bomb the Middle East into submission and in the hopes of starting WWIII, for the benefit of the Zionist state, what better way to make them stop and say Wait, a minute, why should we do that for a bunch of murderers and thieves....We're Israel, God's chosen people living in God's New Jerusalem, and our God is the Prince of Peace. WHY are we doing this???
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#301. To: rowdee (#296)
He's saying that America is the New Israel/New Jerusalem. ALL Christians are the PEOPLE Israel...Israel is the Church [and this includes the Old Testament faithful]: http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/provan-charles_dd_01.html America is their homeland...the COUNTRY of Israel, the Beloved City of Rev. 20:9...the NEW Jerusalem....the place big enough to hold all the "seed" of Abraham, the number of which would be like the stars....Gal. 3:16-29 : And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
#302. To: noone222 (#300)
noone, I find those things interesting, but I also find them devisive and maybe not quite Biblical. In the first place, how would anyone know if they were related to the 10 tribes. There are no genealogical records, and besides people have intermarried for thousands of years...supposing they were originally Abraham's kids, and then married the devil's kids. What then? And how do we know Abraham was white, anyway? And how do we know what race some of his wives were? Jacob loved Joseph, the father of Ephraim and Manasseh [Ephraim becoming one of the symbols of Israel and also another of the many names for Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/j/jesus-is- israel.html ] and made him a coat of many colors. I think this symbolizes God's love for ALL the races. Furthermore, Isaiah 49:6 says God would not only raise the twelve tribes, but also the Gentiles: Isa 49:6 — And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/49/6.html He prophecied that He would take of the Gentiles to be His priests and "Levites": Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests [and] for Levites, saith the LORD. [These are not priests as a lot of people shudder to think of priests, but simply "shepherds" and teachers, or pastors (not the Pat Robertson type).] In Acts 8, the "Angel of the Lord" came and told Philip to go to the Ethiopian eunuch ["can an ETHIOPIAN CHANGE HIS SKIN, or a leopard his spots"] to preach to him. The Ethiopian ended up BELIEVING ON CHRIST and getting baptized. Connecting the dots, Gal. 3:16-29 declares that the black Ethiopian is also the seed of Abraham. The "Angel" sealed this with a miracle by transporting Philip to another city in the blink of an eye [travel mode for the future?], so this "Angel" was in reality, Jesus. In my mind, God foresaw the squabble over skin, and settled the issue once and for all...He so loved THE WORLD, (that He came and died on the cross so) that ALL who believed would not perish but have everlasting life....with Him....in His kingdom. I agree with you on the "Jews"...They are not Israel [Ezekiel 34/John 10]. A true Jew is one who is circumcised in the heart, and not the flesh, i.e., is a Christian. The antiChrist "Jews" are the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 2:9/3:9.
#303. To: noone222 (#302)
sorry...not Abraham's wives....JACOB'S wives. and by the way, wasn't there a CANAANITE in the woodpile of Jesus...Rahab, I believe? Not to mention, the twelve tribes married into all the people God told them not to.....the Canaanite, the Hittites, the Hivites, etc. etc. The twelve tribes were never a pure race to begin with.
And how do we know what race some of his wives were?
#304. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#302)
This one needs a little more study: [Hint: Ignore Paul, or better yet, find two more witnesses to this claim]. Also, I once considered myself a Christian until I realized that qualified me as "pagan" ... which I'm not. I believe the Scriptures offer us the truth if we mature in study and develop discernment. The Almighty can only be worshipped in "Spirit" and "Truth" ... I am working diligently to acquire that illusive "TRUTH" driven by the "SPIRIT". A mighty powerful priesthood (cult) exited Babylon when whatever occurred that is Biblically portrayed as the Tower of Babel. The inheritors of this priesthood (cult) reside today in Rome, (and elsewhere as agents of Rome) and are still the overseers of humanity through subservient nation States for the time being. (A better term for True-Jews is Babylonians) and that is where you'll discover the Mystery of Iniquity which is the International Monetary System, enforced through international law merchant ... a Pyramid of top down Power.)
A true Jew is one who is circumcised in the heart, (hocus-pocus)
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#305. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#302) (Edited)
2. Jacob loved Joseph, the father of Ephraim and Manasseh [Ephraim becoming one of the symbols of Israel and also another of the many names for Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/j/jesus-is- israel.html ] and made him a coat of many colors. I think this symbolizes God's love for ALL the races. 3. Connecting the dots, Gal. 3:16-29 declares that the black Ethiopian is also the seed of Abraham. 4. He so loved THE WORLD, (that He came and died on the cross so) that ALL who believed would not perish but have everlasting life .... 1. I don't think there's any way outside of divine intervention to be proof positive about our geneology. However, there is much that can be considered regarding this subject with respect to Jacob. While I'm not certain about Abraham's "whiteness" it's clear he was semetic (descended from Shem). Also, we know that Jacob's mom (Rebecca) and Abraham's wife Sarah were "fair". {Sarah was also Abraham's half-sister} We also know that Esau angered his and Jacob's mom, Rebecca, by marrying outside his race. Rebecca instructed Jacob not to do the same thing, and later he was sent to visit Rebecca's brother (his uncle on his mom's side) named Laban in order to marry one of his cousins (or more). [Laban in hebrew means to be white]. Jacob's whole purpose in going to his uncle's house to find a bride was to marry within his own race, which was the accepted practice in that era, so besides his wives Rachel and Leah, it's probable that the handmaidens were also acceptable for child bearing with respect to race, but we can't be certain. Inter-racial marriages were frowned upon or forbidden in most tribes/clans at that time and it has only recently become semi-accepted in modern society. My personal perspective really doesn't matter, as God is the potter and we are the clay. The Scriptures also tell us that the bloodlines are purified after 10 generations. Sometimes we have to acknowledge that man's wisdom is simply foolishness to God and accept his authority to do with the pot as he chooses, always trusting that the end result is what he has determined it to be from ancient times. And always remember that no one comes to him that isn't first "called" ... 2. Joseph married an Egyptian woman and she bore Ephraim and Manasseh. Here again we cannot determine positively the race of this woman, and have to rely upon and accept that God can do whatever he chooses. Gen 41:45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. [On is a city in Egypt]. (sidenote:) I personally think preterism is total bullshit. (Everyone can have an opinion but the way things are going preterism loses its impact. I think it's funny that we feel it necessary to have every answer or to have it figured out ... but there are many undone matters that would have had to have been completed in order for preterism to be a valid condition. I refuse to argue about this and simply suggest one do their own research. Was the coat of many colors "plaid" like kilts ... some very well preserved 5000 year old caucasion bodies (and they had red hair) were found in the China dessert and they were wearing plaid clothing. I find it terribly interesting. [SIDENOTE: I just want to insert here that I am not a racist bigot, but more of a humble-ist (if there is such a word). I know that God looked upon what he had created after the 6th day and said "it is very good. Well, that's good enough for me. Again, I'm reminded to repeat that I think it's more important to expose the imposters (fake Jews) in order to derail the "chosen People" propaganda garbage that allows them to subject the world to their nastiness and is a significant factor in instigating WW III. If you wish to think the coat of many colors represents that God loves all races that's your choice. Scripture proves that he doesn't LOVE ALL RACES. See Obadiah. 3. This is a stretch, (and says no such thing) and a somewhat difficult scripture allegedly written by Paul. This Scripture deals with "promise" and "inheritance" ... and I am still researching the notion of "salvation/ (promise)" and "Redemption/(inheritance)". The Creator is the great Lawmaker, and accordingly must honor it. These are difficult subjects for us to comprehend because we're limited or finite beings with certain indoctrinations. Keep in mind the gospel story of the woman attempting to request healing for her daughter. Jesus called her a dog, indicating that she wasn't entitled to the blessing, yet he healed her daughter. Was he being a bigot ? (I don't think so because if he were God in the flesh he can't lie.) 4. "ALL" things are possible for them that love the Lord. Again, this is one of those mysterious things that I and a million other people (like you) want to know to a certainty ... good luck ! In the first place, how would anyone know if they were related to the 10 tribes. The Creator is the only one that needs to know who's genetically related to Israel/Jacob. Troublemakers try to make bigots out of anyone that comes to conclusions indicating western Europeans are the lost 10 tribes. I think the fake Jews are the root cause behind these accusations of bigotry through a variety of indoctrinational programs that everyone is subjected to like the media and education because it serves their "chosen people" agenda. Ask yourself the pertinent questions. Why are you obsessed with a thirst for knowing ? Are his laws written in your heart ? Do you Trust the Potter to operate his will in your life ? Then relax and know that you are his.
1. In the first place, how would anyone know if they were related to the 10 tribes. There are no genealogical records, and besides people have intermarried for thousands of years...supposing they were originally Abraham's kids, and then married the devil's kids. What then? And how do we know Abraham was white, anyway? And how do we know what race some of his wives were?
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
#306. To: noone222 (#305)
I've been thinking about this thread since your second to last post, but have not had the time to address it as I should. I scanned your latest post, and just wanted to mention one thing, while I am trying to close out the [old] windows on this slow-as-molasses computer....I will hopefully get back to this soon...... SIDENOTE: I just want to insert here that I am not a racist bigot, but more of a humble-ist (if there is such a word). I know that God looked upon what he had created after the 6th day and said "it is very good. Well, that's good enough for me. Again, I'm reminded to repeat that I think it's more important to expose the imposters (fake Jews) in order to derail the "chosen People" propaganda garbage that allows them to subject the world to their nastiness and is a significant factor in instigating WW III. we're on the same page there. If you wish to think the coat of many colors represents that God loves all races that's your choice. Scripture proves that he doesn't LOVE ALL RACES. See Obadiah. yes, addressed to Esau/EDOM: http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Oba/Oba001.html I need to study that scripture, but I have a hunch it was at least partially fulfilled, and no longer holds true for the physical seed of Edom who have become CHRISTIANS: Amo 9:11 ¶ In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this...... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Amo/Amo009.html#12 [the "tabernacle of David" is the New Temple, the Christian Church. God's people are CALLED BY HIS [new] NAME: Eph 3:14 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eph/3/15.html ] I don't reject Paul....I think the "Paul controversy" is a Jewish plot against the church. ================================================ Jer 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jer 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eze 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? Eze 18:3 [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have [occasion] any more to use this proverb in Israel. Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:5 ¶ But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, Eze 18:6 [And] hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman, Eze 18:7 And hath not oppressed any, [but] hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment; Eze 18:8 He [that] hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, [that] hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man, Eze 18:9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he [is] just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 18:10 ¶ If he beget a son [that is] a robber, a shedder of blood, and [that] doeth the like to [any] one of these [things], Eze 18:11 And that doeth not any of those [duties], but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife, Eze 18:12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, Eze 18:13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. Eze 18:14 ¶ Now, lo, [if] he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like, Eze 18:15 [That] hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife, Eze 18:16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, [but] hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, Eze 18:17 [That] hath taken off his hand from the poor, [that] hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. Eze 18:18 [As for] his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did [that] which [is] not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity. Eze 18:19 ¶ Yet say ye, Why? **** doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, [and] hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, **** he shall surely live. Eze 18:20 ***** The soul that sinneth, it shall die. !!!!!! The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Eze 18:21 ¶ But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: [and] not that he should return from his ways, and live? Eze 18:24 ¶ But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Eze 18:25 ¶ Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? Eze 18:26 When a righteous [man] turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. Eze 18:28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Eze 18:29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? Eze 18:30 ¶ Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn [yourselves] from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn [yourselves], and live ye. http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze018.html#2 Jesus said the Royal Law of Scripture was to love your neighbor as yourself. The Bible also says He will have mercy on those who have mercy. I hold out hope these decent descendants of Esau will be saved. Remember Esau had red hair. So do a lot of Celts! So did a lot of Khazars! They could be descendants of Esau/Edom! I'd hate to be the one to tell a red-haired Irishman he will not be saved because he was descended from Esau! lol. Revelation 5:9-10 says Christians will come from ALL nations. That would have to include AT LEAST a remnant of the Edomites. Note that the Israelites married into the forbidden tribes: Eze 16:3 — And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity [is] of the land of Canaan; thy father [was] an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze016.html#3 http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Eze/16/3.html The Amorites were children of CANAAN: http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen010.html#16 In Ezekiel 38, God calls DEDAN "His people Israel": Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, Eze 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places [that are now] inhabited, and upon the people [that are] gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. Eze 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? Eze 38:14 ¶ Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know [it]? ........... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#14 DEDAN, likewise, is eiher a son of HAM, or a son of a concubine [and Hebrews did not make servants of their Hebrew brethren]: 1) the son of Raamah and grandson of Cush. A son of Jokshan and grandson of Keturah Gen 10:6 ¶ And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. Gen 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen010.html#7 1Ch 1:32 Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan. that's only a start......I hope it shows that God does indeed love ALL the races. I'm ready to tear my hair out over this computer....will have to come back after I deal with everything on here, and reboot.
#307. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#306)
If he is a loving God it seems to me he should. Each person should be judged for their character and what is in their heart.
......I hope it shows that God does indeed love ALL the races.
#308. To: bluedogtxn (#160) (Edited)
I will clarify my point. Since the events of Kosovo coupled with 9/11 I no longer find that what passes as the conservative movement in America matches my own views on what it is to be conservative. I grew up out of the movement of the right but now I view it with contempt especially the ones that see Black Helicopters buzzing in the sky and were of the mind that the UN was about to invade America in the 90s. I realize that through no fault of my own the right wing movement I was linked to was in bed with what I now call a wing-nut movement and since I renounced the Republican party and became a registered independent I am looking to find a home for fellow RATIONALISTS and CONSTITUTIONALISTS. Someplace where Ezekiel and prophecy don't came up when discussing events overseas. Know a place like that?
You aren't going to find perfection on any site. But good hunting.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
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