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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.

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And the Lord sayeth, you are a wise woman; filled with vim, vigor, and a side order of sexy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   19:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

they are an intransigent lot who each thinks they have been chosen by the creator to educate the masses.

Dry sterile thunder indeed.

If it will not rain in the mountain, Muhammad must leave the mountain.

> this despite my buying radio time for 2.5 years and pounding the immigration/trade issue to death back in the mid 90s.

The usual lot of prophets.

> At this moment in time, we need to stop the hemorrhaging before we investigate who caused the injury.

Tourniquets should be applied above, rather than below the injury.

O you who turn the wheel and look windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-01-23   19:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Ugh. I have two like people like this in my family. Stab you in back and then blame you for getting mad at them and all the while clutching at their precious bible.

To be honest I am a very religious/spiritual person, but hard core christians send me screaming me the other way. And what ever you do don't let them work on your car because God says cleaning the spark plugs = 4 hours of labor at 75$ an hour

(One exception. I did know one christian family that was wonderful to be around and raised two very bright and well educated children. If Chritanity was made up mostly of people like them I might be more of a beleiver. But I've found the hard way that only about 1 in 20 christians are trustworthy.)

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-01-23   21:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Only a moron like you would even CONSIDER listening to bush stumble through another speech.

Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-23   21:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

a moron like you would even CONSIDER listening to bush stumble through another speech.

quick, he's introducing the dark heroes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-23   22:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Only a booger eating moron would try to impose their worldview on others.

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-01-23   22:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah, so you watched it too, dunce?

Accepting used LP accounts and donations in cash.

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-23   22:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't ya' wish you had kept all those five-cent dust collectors you had under your bed?

I tried to keep them, but a pair of fire-breathing, rapture monkey aunts kept throwing them out while preaching to me about how those four-color idols were leading me into the arms of Satan. If I still had those books, I'd have enough money to leave the country. Thanks, girls. (One aunt is a serial adulterer, and the other is a fantical control freak. Me? Just a fuzzy 'ol bundle of love that wants to be left alone to tend his garden and care for his wife. Guess the Republicans think I'm asking for TOO MUCH!!!)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-01-23   22:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't ya' wish you had kept all those five-cent dust collectors you had under your bed? Those and my baseball card collection.

I started wrapping and storing my comics when I was about 12. I've got a collection of about 2000 vintage comics from the late 70s and early 80s that I'm gonna pass on to my son in 10 years or so. I haven't looked up their values recently, but I know they're worth a pretty decent small car...

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-01-24   9:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I haven't looked up their values recently, but I know they're worth a pretty decent small car...

I'd bet on it, especially if they are in pristine condition.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-01-24   9:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd bet on it, especially if they are in pristine condition.

I figure he can either pass them on to his kids or he can finance a major purchase like a car with them. Despite what collectors say, however, comic collecting is not "investing" and has nothing even remotely approaching the return of a decent bank CD. Not that it isn't fun collecting them (Hell, I even have Conan the Barbarian #1); but they aren't an "investment".

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-01-24   9:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Read the article I linked.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   9:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

To: Jethro Tull You're right, it is a severe mental illness.

I used to be a Catholic. The scandals, the money grubbing preists, but mostly the people drove me away. I couldnt take the "if god wills it" mentality. The smile in my face on Sunday spit on me Monday acts.

Why just this Sunday the church handed out petitions for an amendment to the Florida constitution banning embryonic stem cell research from public money. Like good sheep everyone signed it.

I hate dealing with religious nuts across the board.

The Catholics you describe are more the exception than the mainstream, unless the church has turned into some kind of holy roller hang out since I was last there as a "regular."

I'm not sure what state you live in - if it's a Southern state maybe the Catholics got infected with the Bible Belt disease or something - but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

As for priests molesters - that was very ugly - but the percentage of priests who molested was similar to other church's clerics or so I've read - what was bad was the Catholic church tried to cover it up. Also the priest molestation thingie was primarily isolated to American Catholic churches for some peculiar reason.

As for money grubbing priests - the Catholic church is no different from other religions and certainly no worse than most.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   11:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those who use biblical prophecy especially those that insert 'Ezekiel' into their forum responses to explain today's events need to be stoned with big rocks.

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The reason these Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys are dangerous are many but to give one example - Say Russia wants to make nice with the USA and reach agreements and so on - the Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys influence our politicians into being hostile to Russia because it is prophesied Russia (and Iran and China and so on) will be invading the Middle East (meaning Israel) for the Antichrist so why make nice to them? In fact America most Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys think the USA will be on the side of Christ - against the evil Antichrist serving Russians. Why don't they assume attractive America will serve as the Antichrist who is supposed to be attractive and charismatic - like America is? Why? Because they are crazy Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys, that's why. So any peace attempts by Russia will be spurned by an America influenced by Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys making conflict between super powers a self fulfilling prophesy.

Would it help your understanding to know that "Israel" in Ezekiel 38-39 is America, and that Gog and Magog are the Antichrist "Jews", INCLUDING the antiChrist Jews who control CorpUSA? If you don't understand that, the following is a lot of reading, and a lot of discerning the truth from error and downright deception, but if one doesn't want to learn the truth, one shouldn't call for those who understand God's truth to be stoned, unless one wants to bring God's wrath down on himself: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/11/5.html ]

The identity of ISRAEL here:

AMERICA, NOT ISRAELI

http://www.historicist.com/ojnj/ojnj7.htm

THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL NOW [but it is NOT all white: John 3:16/Gal. 3:16-29/Rev. 5:9-10]

http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/provan- charles_dd_01.html

GOG-MAGOG ALLIANCE PART 1 OF 3: [right Israel...wrong Gog and Magog?....remember that a lot of Jews CAME here from Russia!]

"Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put a hook into thy jaws, [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu032.html#21"> ; http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Deu/32/21.html ], and I will bring forth, and all thy army,..." (Ezekiel 38:3, 4) "And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4 ] I will go up to them that rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates," (verse 11) .........."

http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0098a.htm

The identity of GOG AND MAGOG here:

THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

[see "Gog and Magog" about 3 times in the green area, be sure to read about IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA toward the end of the article, after "Is the Jews "Chosen People" Masquerade Finally Over?"]

Chapter 15: Gog's Invasion

http://www.gods-kingdom.org/Birthright/Chapter15/Chapter15.htm

[right Gog and Magog, wrong Jerusalem, IMO]

There is no rapture. We are fighting for the kingdom of heaven:

Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: [see cross at Cape Henry http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html ]

Psa 48:1 ¶ [[A Song [and] Psalm for the sons of Korah.]] Great [is] the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, [in] the mountain of his holiness.

Psa 48:2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, [is] mount Zion, [on] the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/48/2.html

Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/13/33.html

Gal 5:9 — A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/5/9.html

Mar 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod.

See George Washington's "new nation"

http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html

Cornwallis to George Washington:

Jewish Persecution by Jackie Patru | Section Nineteen "Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that,. "A holy war will now begin on America, ...

The Greatest Hoax | Index "Your churches will be used to teach the Jews' religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. ...

http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution18.htm

http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution19.htm

The Greatest Hoax

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unionjack_epilogue.htm

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/greatesthoax.htm

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/index.html

"....until the whole is leavened...."

http://www.cephas- library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

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Ezekiel 17:1-10/Matthew 15:13/Micah 4/Psalm 2.

hope that helps....sooner or later, people are going to get it.

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In fact America most Gog/Magog spouting rapture monkeys think the USA will be on the side of Christ - against the evil Antichrist serving Russians. Why don't they assume attractive America will serve as the Antichrist who is supposed to be attractive and charismatic - like America is?

could be.....

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [Psalm 48:2, above]

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in *** the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

"all men … are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....."

The question is.....WHO is the Creator of CorpUSA's "citizens"? [I don't say "men", because CorpUSA's Talmud declares that only Jews are "men", the rest of us are "beasts" and chattel.]

http://www.hisholychurch.net/pdfiles/births/lawofcertificates.html

8 Call no man on earth Father http://www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/father.HTM

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for YE are THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr006.html#16

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Cr/6/16.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-01-24   12:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

god bless you AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, but all your biblical study and prayer hasn't done, and won't do, a thing to stem the tide of the illegal invasion and the coming NAU. If this is god's plan, he's evil.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ould it help your understanding to know that "Israel" in Ezekiel 38-39 is America, and that Gog and Magog are the Antichrist "Jews", INCLUDING the antiChrist Jews who control CorpUSA?

No. Being crazy from the reverse of the established Gog/Magog nuttery is still being crazy.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   14:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

I'm in the same boat as you, scrapper. What got me started on this rant is the outright hatred some otherwise kindred spirits have toward anything Catholic. The Catholics I know would stand with us on most issues, while never discussing religion. Who and what people choose to hold close is their business. IMHO, some people in this community of ours place religion and obscure conspiracies over the current events that are actively altering our culture and country. They divide rather than unify, and I find it impossible to keep quiet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If this is god's plan, he's evil.

Unless you are Mexican and then he is God almighty!

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   14:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

So are godless libertarians who could care less about borders or the govt.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   14:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Any Catholic who enables illegal immigration should be Saddam'ed. The same holds for anyone else including all those WASPS in the CFR who are driving this mess with their "Building a North American Community."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So are godless libertarians

I remember arguing with the big "L" libertarians on tFR years ago. They adored open borders and free trade. Total fruitcakes, who haven't the balls to engage in debate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So are godless libertarians who could care less about borders or the govt.

true.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OWK kicked your ass many times. You never could debate your way out of a paper bag.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

hehehehe....that POS "reported" me to the FReeple Papacy on many occasions. He's a wormy, jew bastard who now moderates at LF, a forum where the owner is unknown and the bills get paid mysteriously. OWK....nice example, red (g)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, JT, OWK took a hike recently. So its safe for you to sneak into LF now.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   15:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I did, actually. It remains as user unfriendly as always. Plus the case of the missing John Deere makes it way too weird for me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick.

The Catholic leadership in S. California - Cardinal Mahoney - has been getting lots of publicity lately - pleading the case for Hispanic illegals - no secret why - Hispanics are Catholics. Also most Catholics I know are Democrats - and the Democrat Party itself is big on illegals - future Democrat voters, but not because Catholics exert any power within the Party - rather because of the party's self-serving reasons.

Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   15:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons.

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights.

Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.

No, old boy, it doesn't work like that. The Evangelicals are converting wetbacks by the hundreds. There are literally around a dozen Spanish-speaking Penacostal churches in my Missouri county alone.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   15:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also most Catholics I know are Democrats

That's my experience too, which when one considers the D position on abortion, speaks volumes to the lack of control the church holds over individual Catholics. People are born into these various sects, and are free to remain in them or get a clue upon reaching adulthood. But to link one billion people to an unexplainable Jesuit/Papal conspiracy, is a time drain and causes decent folks to miss the illegal climbing through their open window.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You will lose because you call them wetbacks.

Thus the media wants people like you fronting the closed border debate.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All that matters to me is that you aren't for open borders. That would make us amigos on this issue, el correcto?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational).

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick.

exactly and it's all about putting $$ in the coffers of these organizations.

christine  posted on  2007-01-24   15:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All that matters to me is that you aren't for open borders. That would make us amigos on this issue, el correcto?

Yes, but ineffective ones because your arguments (which won't work) are the ones that get the media spotlight and thus destroy the winning closed border argument.

I have noticed that while I am a conservative - my conservatism arises from the European civilizational view - old school Latin Republic - Pericles - Code of Justinian, Locke, Burke and so on. American so called conservatives for the most part are not true conservatives - - so while we may be on the same page on many things - why I am where I am you are where you are are different.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thus destroy the winning closed border argument.

Truth be known, the argument is all but lost. The NAU is nearing completion and the CFR membership has begun to chill the champagne. All this while the conspiracy minded among us look under rocks for Fr. O'Malley and his legions of Jesuits rulers. Lordy we're soooooooooo screwed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational).

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.

The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

I rarely get involved in immigration debates and when I do my position has been fairly consistent and straight forward. I feel that immigration should be primarily skills-based and not family reunification as it is now. I'm not anti- immigration because of cultural considerations although with the current stress on multiculturalism as opposed to melting pot assimilation, culture has become ghettoizing and divisive to our society. If I appear to be not thrilled with unbridled daisy chain Third World immigration, it's because those immigrants rarely have the skills our nation needs with the exception being immigrants from India or Iran who are generally well educated coming into America or are at the very least highly motivated and educatable so as to excel in professional training.

I am opposed to illegal immigration because it breaks our laws on the books that legal immigrants have respected and queued for for many years in some cases. Illegal immigration also brings in the mix an assortment of societal ills including drugs and disease.

So how can my position be construed to be anti-immigration, close the borders mindset? In fact, some posters have accused me of being too acquiescent to the guest worker plan being a fact of life - which I still think is the case especially after yesterday's state of the union's mess speech.

As for religion's involvement in illegal immigration, I was merely responding to comments made by other posters - of course religios groups are not the only enablers of illegal immigration. I did not say that.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   15:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized.

If the USA was still a manufacturing country where immigrants melded together on assembly lines shoulder to shoulder so they could not communicate much in their native tongues because immigration was coming from everywhere and thus were forced to learn English and adopt American ways then I would be for open borders. The manufacturing sector was also a way for a poor illiterate person to be able to earn a livable wage right off the boat. The manufacturing sector was the reason the USA was able to meld all those people into new Americans.

Since we are now a service economy that means immigrants of low education can only get lowly jobs and get ghettoized easier and remain in the ghettos longer. You can't easily climb your way out doing odd jobs for slave wages.

My position on being pro closed borders is complicated - not easily digestible and thus not processed. All you hear are rednecks screaming about not being able to hear English being spoken at dollar stores anymore.

Poor ignorant suckers.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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