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Title: Are biblical spouting “patriots” head cases?
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Published: Jan 23, 2007
Author: me
Post Date: 2007-01-23 09:25:29 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 308

Yeah, they are. I’m amazed at the arrogance of some self professed “patriot” Christians. IMHO, they do more to fracture those of us who get it than any elitist agenda ever could. They are unwitting foot soldiers of the globalists.

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#46. To: scrapper2 (#42)

but the Catholics I've known and my family are all practising Catholics except for me are pretty average people -flawed and not holier than thou- they definitely don't press their religion on strangers nor do they wear their religion on their sleeve like a badge of merit. And Catholics are not too terribly political - in fact, with their numbers, they could be far more political if they chose.

I'm in the same boat as you, scrapper. What got me started on this rant is the outright hatred some otherwise kindred spirits have toward anything Catholic. The Catholics I know would stand with us on most issues, while never discussing religion. Who and what people choose to hold close is their business. IMHO, some people in this community of ours place religion and obscure conspiracies over the current events that are actively altering our culture and country. They divide rather than unify, and I find it impossible to keep quiet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

If this is god's plan, he's evil.

Unless you are Mexican and then he is God almighty!

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   14:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: Jethro Tull (#46)

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: Redheadedstranger, Jethro Tull (#48)

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

So are godless libertarians who could care less about borders or the govt.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   14:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: Redheadedstranger (#48)

Any Catholic who enables illegal immigration should be Saddam'ed. The same holds for anyone else including all those WASPS in the CFR who are driving this mess with their "Building a North American Community."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: All (#50)

So are godless libertarians

I remember arguing with the big "L" libertarians on tFR years ago. They adored open borders and free trade. Total fruitcakes, who haven't the balls to engage in debate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   14:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: Destro (#49)

So are godless libertarians who could care less about borders or the govt.

true.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

OWK kicked your ass many times. You never could debate your way out of a paper bag.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   14:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: Redheadedstranger (#53) (Edited)

hehehehe....that POS "reported" me to the FReeple Papacy on many occasions. He's a wormy, jew bastard who now moderates at LF, a forum where the owner is unknown and the bills get paid mysteriously. OWK....nice example, red (g)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

Actually, JT, OWK took a hike recently. So its safe for you to sneak into LF now.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   15:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: Redheadedstranger (#55)

I did, actually. It remains as user unfriendly as always. Plus the case of the missing John Deere makes it way too weird for me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#57. To: Redheadedstranger, Jethro Tull, destro (#48)

Catholics are one of the leading enablers of illegal immigration, JT. Them and evangelicals.

Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick.

The Catholic leadership in S. California - Cardinal Mahoney - has been getting lots of publicity lately - pleading the case for Hispanic illegals - no secret why - Hispanics are Catholics. Also most Catholics I know are Democrats - and the Democrat Party itself is big on illegals - future Democrat voters, but not because Catholics exert any power within the Party - rather because of the party's self-serving reasons.

Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   15:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#58. To: Jethro Tull, Redheadedstranger, bluedogtxn (#51)

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons.

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights.

Bluedogtxn is the only forum poster that ever got that point.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: scrapper2 (#57)

Evangelicals - are probably one religious group who are not sympathetic to illegals - they are only interested in Rapture and Catholic Mexicans don't play a part in bringing Rapture.

No, old boy, it doesn't work like that. The Evangelicals are converting wetbacks by the hundreds. There are literally around a dozen Spanish-speaking Penacostal churches in my Missouri county alone.

"How legitimate is the Onion as a source?"----noone222

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-24   15:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#60. To: scrapper2 (#57)

Also most Catholics I know are Democrats

That's my experience too, which when one considers the D position on abortion, speaks volumes to the lack of control the church holds over individual Catholics. People are born into these various sects, and are free to remain in them or get a clue upon reaching adulthood. But to link one billion people to an unexplainable Jesuit/Papal conspiracy, is a time drain and causes decent folks to miss the illegal climbing through their open window.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#61. To: Redheadedstranger (#59)

You will lose because you call them wetbacks.

Thus the media wants people like you fronting the closed border debate.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#62. To: Destro (#58)

All that matters to me is that you aren't for open borders. That would make us amigos on this issue, el correcto?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#63. To: scrapper2 (#57)

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational).

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: scrapper2 (#57)

Catholics and Jews and mainstream Protestants and Buddhists - just about all religious leaders are big sympathizers to illegals and unbridled legal immigration generally - it's the leftie slant of most religions that is the major reason for support of the "poor and disenfranchised" - equality of man - no boundaries for God's children schtick.

exactly and it's all about putting $$ in the coffers of these organizations.

christine  posted on  2007-01-24   15:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

All that matters to me is that you aren't for open borders. That would make us amigos on this issue, el correcto?

Yes, but ineffective ones because your arguments (which won't work) are the ones that get the media spotlight and thus destroy the winning closed border argument.

I have noticed that while I am a conservative - my conservatism arises from the European civilizational view - old school Latin Republic - Pericles - Code of Justinian, Locke, Burke and so on. American so called conservatives for the most part are not true conservatives - - so while we may be on the same page on many things - why I am where I am you are where you are are different.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#66. To: Destro (#65)

thus destroy the winning closed border argument.

Truth be known, the argument is all but lost. The NAU is nearing completion and the CFR membership has begun to chill the champagne. All this while the conspiracy minded among us look under rocks for Fr. O'Malley and his legions of Jesuits rulers. Lordy we're soooooooooo screwed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   15:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: Destro (#63) (Edited)

Who is for or against open borders is not cut and dried.

While I am against open borders - my reasons are not the same as those of others - my reasons being logical and rational while most of the other types want to close the border because of racial and religious reasons (irrational).

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones. Those that argue cultural reasons are playing with a losing hand/argument and thus those are the types the media highlights. Thus the media wants people like you using those arguments fronting the closed border debate.

The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

I rarely get involved in immigration debates and when I do my position has been fairly consistent and straight forward. I feel that immigration should be primarily skills-based and not family reunification as it is now. I'm not anti- immigration because of cultural considerations although with the current stress on multiculturalism as opposed to melting pot assimilation, culture has become ghettoizing and divisive to our society. If I appear to be not thrilled with unbridled daisy chain Third World immigration, it's because those immigrants rarely have the skills our nation needs with the exception being immigrants from India or Iran who are generally well educated coming into America or are at the very least highly motivated and educatable so as to excel in professional training.

I am opposed to illegal immigration because it breaks our laws on the books that legal immigrants have respected and queued for for many years in some cases. Illegal immigration also brings in the mix an assortment of societal ills including drugs and disease.

So how can my position be construed to be anti-immigration, close the borders mindset? In fact, some posters have accused me of being too acquiescent to the guest worker plan being a fact of life - which I still think is the case especially after yesterday's state of the union's mess speech.

As for religion's involvement in illegal immigration, I was merely responding to comments made by other posters - of course religios groups are not the only enablers of illegal immigration. I did not say that.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   15:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: scrapper2, bluedogtxn (#67) (Edited)

The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized.

If the USA was still a manufacturing country where immigrants melded together on assembly lines shoulder to shoulder so they could not communicate much in their native tongues because immigration was coming from everywhere and thus were forced to learn English and adopt American ways then I would be for open borders. The manufacturing sector was also a way for a poor illiterate person to be able to earn a livable wage right off the boat. The manufacturing sector was the reason the USA was able to meld all those people into new Americans.

Since we are now a service economy that means immigrants of low education can only get lowly jobs and get ghettoized easier and remain in the ghettos longer. You can't easily climb your way out doing odd jobs for slave wages.

My position on being pro closed borders is complicated - not easily digestible and thus not processed. All you hear are rednecks screaming about not being able to hear English being spoken at dollar stores anymore.

Poor ignorant suckers.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: Jethro Tull (#66) (Edited)

See my response above to scrapper.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   15:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: Destro, bluedogtxn (#68)

scrapper: The media wants "people like me" fronting the closed border debate? Say what? I think you have me confused with someone else on this forum.

Destro: Using the royal we - people who are screaming the WETBACKS are running us over (oh my gawd - there might be some race mixing going on!) as a justification for closing the border get pumped by the media - people like me in my camp that are against immigration be it from Mexico or Poland because of economic reasons get marginalized.

I still don't understand why you are directing your self-righteous post at me.

I have never used the word "wetback" in my entire life.

I suggest you re-read this thread and get a handle on the poster associated with that derogatory term and direct your future tirades to that person. Thank you very much..

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: scrapper2 (#70)

regardless - I used my replay to you to elaborate so it all worked out in the end.

You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   16:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: Destro (#71)

You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility.

I will pray for you. Tom 4:57

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   16:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: Destro (#71)

regardless - I used my replay to you to elaborate so it all worked out in the end.

You are correct about me being self righteous. I need to work on my humility.

You are rude and you are wrong in your nonsensical tirade at me for no reason.

I have always been consistent in my position that immigration should be skills based and my position is no different than your economics schpeel. It's not like either of us are geniuses for seeing the obvious and that's why poll after poll shows that our current immigration policy - placing family reunification as a priority - is broken and why Americans by a significant margin are pissed with our nation's immigration policy directions today both legal and illegal.

Nothing you just did or said to me on this thread "worked." You accused me falsely and you don't even have the courtesy to apologize for your error. What you "need to work on" are your facts, your honesty, and your manners.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: scrapper2 (#73) (Edited)

You are rude and you are wrong in your nonsensical tirade at me for no reason.

My tirades are never nonsensical though I agree I may have been rude.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   16:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: Destro, bluedogtxn, Jethro Tull (#74)

My tirades are never nonsensical though I agree I may have been rude.

The fact that you directed your accusatory tirade at the wrong person ( ie. me) without apologizing for your mistake would qualify as both a GIANT rude and GIANT nonsensical action.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Jethro Tull (#43)

I don't myself agree with the assertion at top of this thread, that people who quote bible are 'head cases'. But people say this out of frustration, and i sure don't blame them for being that way.

I don't use the term 'rapture nutter' or rapture monkey. but I admit the phenomenon does occur, and I don't agree with the people who fall in that category.

I like the bible, I think it's a very good thing.

If Allthekingshorseswontdoit's interpretations are correct (& I personally think they mostly are), then it means this god is willing to let us be exposed to evil. and that is the way I read the bible, that he is willing to let evil happen to us.

IMHO the beginning of wisdom is fear of the lord. and he's bringing that forth to us.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-01-24   16:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: scrapper2 (#75)

Apologize for what?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   16:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: Red Jones (#76)

My frustration stems from the divisiveness that *some* believers bring to the table. We’re at such an acute stage in American history that anything less than unity will work against us. It’s too late in the game to comb the catacombs for cryptic codes and clues. Ed Brown up in New Hampshire needs immediate help and our borders are under attack. Maybe we should do something about these things before deciding who is, or isn’t a true Christian.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   16:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: Red Jones, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Jethro Tull (#76)

Americans have re-embraced the Millerite wave of old.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-24   16:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: Destro (#79)

Millerite

I'm glad you added a link. It's new to me and something I have no interest in. I'd prefer to drive ten-penny nails through my feet than be involved with that crew.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-01-24   16:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: Destro (#77)

Apologize for what?

For your rude and mistaken identity posts #63 and #68 which you directed at me.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-24   16:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#82. To: Destro (#63)

In other words I am against open immigration for economic reasons more so than cultural ones.

i'm in complete agreement with you on that one.

christine  posted on  2007-01-24   17:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#83. To: christine, Destro (#82)

Economic reasons are the only reasons I see posted here.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-24   17:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#84. To: robin, Jethro Tull (#83)

i agree, robin. for most here, that is the principle concern although many are averse to the multiculturalism ideology preferring a protectionist monocultural nation-state.

christine  posted on  2007-01-24   18:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: christine (#84)

The "cure" for most of those problems is the rate of assimilation. That's the argument put forward by Victor Davis Hanson in "Mexifornia". The rate has increased beyond what can be assimilated so the result is balkanization. He's no racist and neither am I. It's about a reasonable approach. The costs to our standard of living are difficult to estimate, the health costs (not just the once eradicated diseases), overcrowded schools, transportation, neighborhoods becoming barrios, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if racism is increasing just because of the lack of controls.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. – Tacitus

robin  posted on  2007-01-24   18:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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