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Title: Journalist Sy Hersh has harsh words for Bush
Source: Tufts Daily
URL Source: http://media.www.tuftsdaily.com/med ... ost=media.collegepublisher.com
Published: Jan 31, 2007
Author: Kat Schmidt
Post Date: 2007-01-31 06:40:32 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 279
Comments: 16

The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh closed out last week's symposium "The 'War on Terrorism': Where Do We Stand" with a scathing critique of President George W. Bush and his foreign policy in the Middle East.

"The fact of the matter is we have a government that will do what it wants to do for the next two years," he said. "The worst is yet to come. It's sort of like we're essentially powerless [and] just play it out."

One of the premier names in American investigative reporting, Hersh won the Pulitzer Prize for his coverage of the 1968 My Lai massacre and helped break the story about U.S. prison abuses at Abu Ghraib in 2004. He previously spoke about Iraq at Tufts in 2004 and about the Iran-Contra Affair in 1988.

On Friday, Hersh spoke at length about the administration's ambitions to cope with the threat of a nuclear Iran, drawing from his research for "The Iran Plans: Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb," published in the New Yorker on April 17, 2006.

He said that Bush and top aides have largely ignored the military intelligence presented to them on Iran's nuclear program.

"Whatever Iran has, they've shown us, they've showed the I.A.E.A. [International Atomic Energy Agency]," he said.

The article alleged - almost wholly through anonymous sources within the government - that the United States had begun formulating plans for an air strike against Iranian nuclear facilities and has even been considering a nuclear first strike, claims that the administration has denied.

"It may come down to the president making an order that the military will object to," Hersh said. "It would be devastating, but it may come down to it. My fear is that he will do what he wants."

At the same time, however, he said their belief in the mission is sincere.

"What [the White House is] doing now is not about the region, it's about us, protecting America. They really believe it. They say, 'We're protecting you, we're doing this for you,'" Hersh said.

He alleged that Bush sees his mission as timely and crucial even though international sources estimate that Iran is years away from developing a nuclear bomb.

Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the I.A.E.A., said on Friday that Iran is three to eight years away from being able to build an atomic bomb, according to the Agence France-Presse.

"He's a total radical, probably the most radical president we've ever had in terms of his definition of the power of the presidency," he said. "There's nothing more dangerous than a radical who doesn't have information, doesn't learn from information and doesn't learn from the past."

This radicalism, he said, has dangerous implications. "This is a guy who wants to leave office with the Iranian books clean," he said of Bush.

"None of this means it's going to happen," he told the hushed audience. "It could be better under [current Secretary of Defense Robert] Gates, but we'll have to wait and see."

Hersh said that not even negative press coverage has slowed the administration. "They couldn't care less about what we write. They're immune, inured to what The New York Times can write, what The New Yorker can write," he said.

Still, with hindsight on the war, he said the fourth estate should have pushed the administration harder on the intelligence concerning Iraq. "We in the press really failed you," he said. "We've missed the moral story. We all missed it."

During his remarks, Hersh was careful to limit his critique to policy concerning the war, not to people or the capacity of the armed forces. "We've got guys who have really learned to fight guerilla wars," he said.

"I'm completely sympathetic to our kids - the kids we send are as much victims as [civilians]," he said later in the speech.

Hersh also told stories about his inside view as a reporter, including his place in the events surrounding Abu Ghraib.

When researching the Abu Ghraib story, he said that a young woman had contacted him - one of her family members had just returned from Iraq, much changed.

"[The soldier] was completely different: sullen, withdrawn, clinically depressed. She left her family, left her husband," the relative told Hersh.

In an interview with Hersh, the relative recalled the soldier had taken a portable computer for games and movies to Iraq, but left it behind for others' use after she returned to the states.

A look at the hard drive found a folder marked "Iraq" which contained images of an Arab prisoner naked, hands suspended in the air. In the sequence of pictures, he is attacked by dogs.

"It's bloody and beyond belief," Hersh said.

The relative had one more insight about the soldier for Hersh, several months after the fact.

" 'I didn't tell you one thing,'" the woman told him. "[She] then went off to live by herself [and] every weekend began getting tattooed. She filled everything, her body, her face. It was as if she was trying to change her skin.'"

"You will not believe what's going to be happening in the next few years with returning vets," Hersh said.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

"What [the White House is] doing now is not about the region, it's about us, protecting America. They really believe it. They say, 'We're protecting you, we're doing this for you,'" Hersh said.

I don't believe that for a second. What are they going to say to you Hersch? Admit that these wars are elective wars of empire and for the benefit of a handful- waged under a flimsy veneer of "defense" and "democracy building"? Of course not. The Nazis didn't think they were the bad guys.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-01-31   10:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada, aristeides, MUDDOG, ..., bluedogtxn, SKYDRIFTER, Zipporah, Fred Mertz, Red Jones, historian1944 (#0)

"It may come down to the president making an order that the military will object to," Hersh said. "It would be devastating, but it may come down to it. My fear is that he will do what he wants."

Hersh ping

The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people. ~Ron Paul

robin  posted on  2007-01-31   10:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

The Nazis actually believed what they were doing was for the benefit and protection of the German people.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-01-31   11:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#3) (Edited)

You really think the top Nazis thought they were "Defending" Germany when they invaded Poland in 1939? Hell no. They were crazed ideologues out to carve out a vast "Ostland". That being said- the Nazis pretexts for war were more believable than Bush's for his.

And less radical. Bush claims the right to wage pre-emptive war- wiping away 500 years of Western diplomatic jurisprudence. The Nazis were not even that outrageous. They at least staged an attack on their border and claimed "self defense". Bush doesn't even do that- he just attacks whomever he wants with barely an attempt to even justify it.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-01-31   13:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Burkeman1 (#4)

They thought Germany needed the Ostland to be able to defend itself against the Jewish-American-British plutocrats that they thought were threatening Germany.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-01-31   13:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#5)

If it had worked, how do you say "manifest destiny" in German?

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-01-31   14:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides (#5)

They thought Germany needed the Ostland to be able to defend itself against the Jewish-American-British plutocrats that they thought were threatening Germany.

They KNEW Germany needed the Ostland to be able to defend itself against the Jewish-American-British-Russian plutocrats that they KNEW were threatening Germany.

Remeber WWI? AND, the treaties that ended WWI? The treaties that ended WWI and WERE GUARENTEED TO LEAD TO WWII? Much closer in time to them than to us, so I suspect they could relate to it much, much better.

Which is not to say that I think that they acted correctly, in any manner. It just means I understand why many of the Germans accepted what was going on and supported it, just as I understand why the Japanese did as they did as well.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-31   14:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#7)

Germany needed the Ostland?

How do you explain how well Germany and the Germans have been doing without any Ostland at all?

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-01-31   14:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: swarthyguy (#6)

If it had worked, how do you say "manifest destiny" in German?

Lebensraum im Osten?

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-01-31   14:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#8)

Germany needed the Ostland?

Better re-read my post. I did not say that.

If you have this much trouble with a couple of sentances, perhaps I begin to understand some of your views.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-31   15:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#10)

They KNEW Germany needed the Ostland

Your own words. I misread them?

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-01-31   15:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: aristeides (#11)

They KNEW

I did not say: I know they knew....

I said, They KNEW....

There is a world of difference. And, if you ever read any of the books and original material from that time, there is no question that THEY KNEW. They knew they were being attacked daily through the terms of the treaties that Germany had been forced to sign, and they knew that they were going to be attacked, again, phyiscally. The only question was if they would be ready or not. So, most of Germany was quite ready for Hitler, and for the relief that he brought from the misery that was Germany during the 20s. They simply did not understand what/who was behind him.

I also said, below in that answer, that I did not agree with the manner in which they acted. Or words to that effect, as all they were doing was playing into the hands of the internationalists, who were ready for and wanted another war.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-31   15:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: richard9151 (#12) (Edited)

I take it you're not a native speaker of English. When we say someone "knows" something, that implies we believe that something is true.

And the rest of your post indicates pretty clearly that you do in fact believe that Germany needed the Ostland. So why do you bother to deny it?

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-01-31   15:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#2)

My fear is that he will do what he wants.

All he's saying, is Bush ain't ready for any person place or thing, to try and pull the reins in on him.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-01-31   16:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: MUDDOG (#14)

Neither was Charles I.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-01-31   16:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: aristeides (#15)

Alec Guinness was a good Charles I.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-01-31   16:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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