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Title: Israeli sees no need to arm border troops [on our southern border with Mexico]
Source:
Arizona Daily Star
URL Source: http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/167326
Published: Feb 2, 2007
Author: Brady McCombs
Post Date: 2007-02-02 14:50:54 by scrapper2
Keywords: Israel, Mexico, border control
Views: 167
Comments: 9
The United States has an obligation to secure its southern border but shouldn't use armed soldiers as Israel does, said a leading Middle Eastern border expert this week in Tucson. Having armed soldiers guard a border where the majority of illegal border crossers are coming for jobs would be overkill, said Gideon Biger, a professor of geography and human environment at Tel Aviv University in Israel. Israel uses its army to guard its border with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Israel also has multiple layers of fencing along much of those borders. "For us, it's mainly (to guard) against terrorist attack, and there isn't any price for human life," said Biger, who was in Tucson this week. "If you spent a million dollars and you save one life of a person in Tel Aviv, it's really worthwhile. Here, it's mainly I think for economic reasons. You have to calculate if it's worthwhile." In 2002, Biger drove along the entire Southwest border from San Diego to Brownsville to learn about the boundary as a scholar. He stopped at each port of entry, crossed into Mexico and walked for miles along the fence. He observed how illegal entrants could climb fences or walk a few miles down the line to cross more easily, he said. He met Border Patrol agents who invited him to stay with them for four days andgave him a tour of their facilities. He learned from them that once illegal entrants reach the interstate freeways, agents no longer chase them. Former Border Patrol supervisor Dave Stoddard doesn't agree with Biger's assessments. Not everybody who crosses illegally is harmless, said Stoddard, who retired in 1996 after 27 years in the Border Patrol. A longtime advocate for bringing the Army to patrol the border, he says its presence would serve as a deterrent for Latin Americans who fear the army. "We have thugs and criminals and vandals and we're victimized every day down here," said Stoddard, who has lived five miles north of the border between Bisbee and Sierra Vista for 18 years. "As far as this being a peaceful invasion of hard-working lettuce pickers, the Israeli professor is totally wrong on that issue." Biger's conclusions don't come as a surprise to Kat Rod-riguez, coordinating organizer for the Coalición de Derechos Humanos, a Tucson-based human rights group. Most of the visitors her group talks with from Europe and elsewhere are shocked by the measures the United States has taken at the border, she said. Putting the army on a border between nonwarring countries would be a horrendous idea and make no impact due to the economic push and pull that drive international migration, she said. "It seems extremely preposterous," she said. "And, apart from that it creates an atmosphere of fear and xenophobia." The United States' efforts to seal its borders are not novel, said Biger, a member of the Association of Border Studies. Nations in Europe, and even the European Union, are trying to prevent illegal immigrants from entering. The increase in terrorists attacks have played a role in that, he said. The U.S.-Mexican border and Israel's borders share similar geography and economic disparities, he said. What could the United States learn from Israel about border security? If it wants to close the border, it can do it, he said. But, as Israel has learned, it must be prepared to look for tunnels and more closely guard its legal ports of entry. Terrorists smuggle weapons through tunnels beneath the Israeli-Gaza Strip border and from Egyptian Sinai into the Gaza Strip, he said. Terrorists have been successful between Egypt and Gaza Strip where the terrain is sandy and easy to dig. Nobody has tried digging tunnels beneath the Israeli-West Bank border because it is limestone and difficult to dig through, he said. Even though some would like to see soldiers guarding the U.S.-Mexican border, Biger doesn't think the United States should make the switch. "A soldier by training is very easy on his rifle," he said. "He can see every intruder as an enemy and as an enemy, he would shoot it."
Poster Comment: An Israeli scholar opines to us about racism and border control over kill??? This is too funny - the Mexicans are only coming to the US for jobs, whereas Palestinians are all evil doers who need a 25 foot wall separating them from jobs. Saw this article posted on an alternate political discussion site.
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#1. To: scrapper2, Open Border Asshats (#0)
Sage advice. Who would know more about the internal security and economic well being of America than an Israeli scholar from Tel Aviv?
You have to be special to understand.
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people. ~Ron Paul
Well,if Israel doesn't want us to put armed troops on the border then we won't. Who the hell do we think we are trying to tell Israel what to do with their border. They do own this country so they can do whatever they want. We need to just shut up, get a second job, pay more taxes.
That's right, and put uniforms on our children. I wonder how Israel feels about the Mexican drug lords all being armed to the teeth. And, the Mexican Army trapsing over here every once in a while?
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people. ~Ron Paul
hi orbiter, nice to see you again. i hope you're having a good new year?
Emma Lazarous, zionist and founding mother of modern America, stated that America must be a melting pot and israel only for jews. This is no different. -Blackeagle
http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm
Hi Christine, Having a great year. be a lot better if I could get rid of this little irritation..in the WH. I trust things are well with you.
"For us, it's mainly (to guard) against terrorist attack, and there isn't any price for human life," said Biger, who was in Tucson this week. "If you spent a million dollars and you save one life of a person in Tel Aviv, it's really worthwhile. righto....only Jews are human, according to the Synagogue of Satan....and a Jew is like God according to the same. Translation: 47,000 Americans killed by illegal immigrants since 911, aren't worth one Jewish fingernail.
Someone should remind this kike that as Israel has no official borders, Israelis have no room to tell anyone about border security.
Having armed soldiers guard a border where the majority of illegal border crossers are coming for jobs would be overkill, said Gideon Biger, a professor of geography and human environment at Tel Aviv University in Israel.
#2. To: scrapper2 (#0)
An Israeli scholar opines to us about racism and border control over kill??? This is too funny - the Mexicans are only coming to the US for jobs, whereas Palestinians are all evil doers who need a 25 foot wall separating them from jobs.
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Having armed soldiers guard a border where the majority of illegal border crossers are coming for jobs would be overkill, said Gideon Biger, a professor of geography and human environment at Tel Aviv University in Israel.
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