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9/11 See other 9/11 Articles Title: 911 - You Judge (yup, another 911 analysis) 911 - You Judge Sunday, December 17, 2006 Skeptics Are Not In Reality: I am going to give reasons proving The U.S. Govt did it, how they did it, and at the end I am going to give reasons why they did it. ok, fair enough, lets have them then... 1. Operation Northwoods, "N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.": Operation Northwoods was a secret document created by MacNamara et al during the Kennedy administration. It was turned down by the administration, and never carried out. Beyond this, it NEVER, according to the actual released 15 page document, NOT ONCE, called for the ACTUAL killing of INNOCENT PEOPLE. Read it for yourselves. Do a google search using "Operation Northwoods Documents" and it is the first link. The only thing that Operation Northwoods proves is that in history some members of ruling parties or government have had the want to carry out "False Flag" operations...this is not news. 2. Alex Jones Called It: Pick a number, and you might win the lottery too. Alex Jones also predicted there would be a big act of terrorism (a false flag op of course) leading up to the Nov 2006 elections...and there wasnt. 3. Bin Laden First Said He DID NOT DO IT! Fake Confession Tape? http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/ Also see #30 Yes, and in private, off the "offical record", he has admitted he initially lied about not being responsible for 9/11 because this is what the Americans and "Israelis" always do, and he wanted them to have a taste of their own medicine. This is why, once he had given them that "taste" he came clean and admitted to the attacks. 4. At least 4 hijackers turned up alive, but i heard as many as 9 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1558669.stm Real old, and really debunked. In all the cases you mention through the links above, it was cases of mistaken identity, and/or identity theft. To address each of the hijackers individually here would be too long. Simply go to http://911myths.com, and they will tell you the REAL truth on this well debunked myth. 5. The melting Point of Steel is 3000F and Fire is around 500-700F with burning Jet fuel around 1200-1400F. Skeptics have claimed, Steel doesnt Have to melt, but only weaken to collpase, This May be true, HOWEVER, It would not make a 1/4 Mile High Skyscraper, Collapse in 9-10 Seconds. 10 seconds Per Floor Collpased, This is Impossible without Bombs. So many mistruths in one statement. Most steel (there are different variations, it being an alloy) melts at around 2500F. The temperature of what fire is 500-700, just any fire, you need to be more specific. Kerosene (Jet Fuel) Fires alone, I doubt would reach 1400F, so here I think you give the Kerosene too much credit. It is not relevent, however, as the jet fuel was merely the ignition source for a much hotter fire, caused by the burning of the office contents within the building. Lets set the record straight, so people realize your point is a strawman. Noone in 2006, believes that the fires from the crashes alone caused the collapse. Most in the scientific community now believe the collapse was initiated by a combination of (1) Severing of a large portion of the exterior, and many of the interior/core columns via the jet impacts directly, (2) Removal of the majority of the "spray on" fire proofing from the steel, and (3) Superheated fires initiated by the jet fuel, and maintained through the burning of the various building contents. It took a more than 50 minutes for all of these factors to additively combine to initiate the collapse of the buildings. Once the collapse had begun, the overwhelming kinetic energy created by the dynamic load of 15 to 30 storeys of office building falling through the collapsed impact zone, made the resistance provided by the remainder of the building below NEGLIGIBLE. For a more precise description, go to the NIST site and read their FAQ. 6. An increase of 400% increase in put options on 9-6-01 and 9-7-01 on serveral airline stocks. An increase of 1100% Increase an in increase of put options on airline stocks on 9-10-01 http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html Yes amazingly though, in April and June of that same year the put options were even higher than in the days prior to 9/11, yet no attacks then...why I wonder??? Could it be that there were multiple reasons, totally unrelated to terrorism that occured near each of these rises? 7. FBI confinscated tapes at a nearby hotel and gas station minutes after the "plane" hit the pentagon. It was a crime against the nation. If they hadn't, you'd be complaining they didnt do a thorough enough job. Collecting evidence is what they do. The tape from the hotel and gas station have both been released...so this point is pointless. 8. Debris from the building was taken and illegally sold to china before anybody could really investigate. Such a vague statement..."before anybody could investigate". That is funny, given that over 300 samples of steel from the WTCs was taken and used in the investigation of GZ. Funny given that the debris was removed, but left elsewhere, in a landfill, where investigators had full access. It wasnt until much later that the steel was sold to China. How it was illegally sold, you'll have to prove to me. 9. If you watch the video of the towers coming down, You can notice bombs going off in the building. Amazing that only CTers see this. The rest of the world saw little puffs of smoke and debris coming out of various windows, at random. This of course, is nothing like a demolition squib, which occur in succession as the explosives in each floor go off. 10. Larry Silverstein Admitted blowing up WTC7 On a PBS Documentary. Skeptics Have Claimed He meant He was Pulling the Firefighters From the Building. Thats Funny, I thought When you call a person or persons "him" "them" or "em" not "it". Meanwhile The firefighters Were already Pulled from the Building 7 Houes before it Collpased. Skeptics Have Claimed, Well Maybe he did hit the Dynamite, But It takes severals weeks for them to carefully place explosives in a building. Call any Demolition Company. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329&q=Larry+silverstein (30sec) Fact: Larry Silverstein, did not have the authority to tell anyone to initiate a demolition of a building. That decision lies squarely with a demolition team leader/manager. He makes the call as to when a building would be pulled. Fact: A firechief/captain has no say on the demolition of a building. They fight fires. When a building needs to be demolished, it is done so when the fires are out, and his job is done. Fact: The phone call was between Silverstein and the firechief/captain. Silverstein later commented, saying that he was referring to the firefighting contingent that had set up a perimeter around the building. The reason there were no firefighters in the building, was due to the safety risk it was posing, as all hands felt, based on the state of the building, that it was at high risk for collapse. 11. Larry Silverstein got High Insurance on WTC7 Including terrorism insurance. Like anyone would do, buying a building in the same city that saw one of its largest buildings attacked with a bomb in 1993. It would be stupid of him not to. As for the money he got in return for the attacks, it wasnt even enough to rebuild a new building, for which he still had to raise money independently to build. 12. 6 Months Before 9/11 They passed laws saying No pilots can carry guns, when pilots were allowed to carry guns for 40 years. (I am not sure this is 100% Accurate, I need to look into this more. Please Let me know if you find anything.) UPDATE: It was actually 2 months, not 6! What I love about this point, is that the very article you source, destroyes your very arguement...here is a quote from the above article, about the FAA law in question: According to FAA officials, the rule required airlines to apply to the agency for their pilots to carry guns in cockpits and for the airlines to put pilots through an agency-approved firearms training course. The aviation agency said, however, that throughout the life of the rule not a single U.S. air carrier took advantage of it, effectively rendering it "moot," according to one agency official. "In the past, FAA regulations permitted pilots to carry firearms in the cockpit provided they completed an FAA-approved training program and were trained properly by the airlines," FAA spokesman Paul Takemoto told WND in a voice-mail message. "That was never put into effect because no requests for those training programs were ever made. …" So the rule was recinded, not to leave the pilots defenseless for the big NEO-CON 9/11 attacks, but rather, because in the 40 years the rule had been in place, there was not one case, not one single airline that actually decided to use the law, and have their pilots armed...thanks for debunking your own point. 13. As Charlie Sheen said, How can a plane make a 270 degree turn and drop 7000 feet in attitude in less then 2 minutes? Now we are quoting Sheen...that alone should debunk it, however I am not a pilot. I, however, have talked to some, and they tell me that this manouver was not that hard, and anyone with basic flying training could have done it in a pinch. 14. I heard it is impossible for cell phones to work on planes moving at 500mph and at 30000 Feet. You heard wrong. They do not work as well as they do on the ground, but they do work, and did back then. Beyond that, 99% of the calls made from the flights were made through the onboard "airfones" specificly designed to work at higher altitudes. For proof of this, see exhibits in the moussaoyui trial, where they list the calls made from particular seating rows, different from the passengers assigned seats. The only way to know which row a person called from, if not their assigned seat, was if it was coming from an "airfone" belonging to that particular row. 15. The "hijackers" said the wrong islamic message when approaching death. oh well, I guess they didnt get into heaven then. What is every good Christian suppose to say before they die? Come on, this is about as weak as it gets. 16. Survivors and Eye witnesses Reporting seeing, hearing explosions. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801&q=9+11+FIREFIGHTERS&hl=en Laugh at the Firefighters!! Imagine, two buildings have been struck by airliners, and 8-10 floors of each building are on fire, and people heard "Explosions". Do you think that would be unusual. Aeresol Cans, Oxygen cannisters, generators, transformers, the list of things that can cause explosions in fires is VERY LONG. 17. Thermite was found at the scene. BYU Professor Steve E. Jones Have tested Postive some substance for Thermite, It was later Proven to cut the Main Pillars in the World Trade Center. It was the yellow goowy substance Dripping From the towers as CNN, FOX, Etc reported on 9/11/01. Also There was MELTED steel at the bottom of the rubble, The Steel MELTED From the THERMITE, Fire jet fuel can NOT MELT steel. This Is the #1 Piece of Evidence Against our Government and I hope they are brought to Justice. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=545886459853896774&q=thermite&hl=en http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html 1. Thermite was not found, Sulfur was, and it came from the drywall that the towers were full of. 2. It was in NO WAY "Proven" to have cut the main pillars of the WTCs. 3. The glowing dripping substance was likely molten metal, probably alluminum or some other alloy. Once again, no PROOF it was thermite. 4. There was witness testimony of MOLTEN METAL, not MOLTEN STEEL. 18. Janitor was offered Millions of dallors to shut up about the bombs he witnessed going off and he refused. First 5 minutes of the Video Below: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2924291298456064986&q=american+scholars Show me a signed confession of this by the Janitor where he names names. If not, then this is useless and likely false. 19. Science Says Buildings Collasping CAN NOT fall at the speed of gravity unless Dynimite. 1. Gravity is a force, it does not have a speed. 2. What "field" of science says this, given that science itself is what says that gravity is a force, and hence does not have a speed. 3. Despite the sloppiness of the above, I get your point, but the fact is, the buildings did not collapse in "free fall" time, but close to "free fall" time. 20. In the New American Century Dick Cheney Said We need a new Pearl Harbor. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century I beg everyone to read the pages before the actual quote. If you do, you will see that the need for a "pearl Harbor" event was a reflective point made in the paper, referring to the difficulty faced in obtaining public support to obtain or produce NEW INTELLIGENT WEAPONRY. It had nothing to do with going to war. 21. Less then 15 Million Was spend Investigating 9-11 and more then 65 Million on Clinton (Appox) The 65 Million includes all of the money spent on the court cases, hearings, etc... I am sure when you tally all those things for 9/11, the number reaches this one. The 15 Million refers only to the money spent on the actual INVESTIGATION. 22. How can a 757 That is 129' Wide Make a 16' Hole? Not Possible Probably one of the oldest, most debunked 9/11 myths. The exit hole, on the opposite side of the Pentagon wall, was 16 feet. The entrance hole was 80-90 feet at its base, extending up 8-10 feet, and then beyond that there was a 16-20 feet wide hole on the second floor, above the first floor hole. 23. Between Both Engines on Flight 77 Or a 757, Its combined weight is 10-12 Tons. It is made of Steel And Titnium. Its melting Point is around 2600F. The Fire didnt get anywhre near that tempurature at the Pentagon. Yet No Engines Were Found. Engine parts were found, as the engines, like most of the plane, was broken up into thousands and millions of pieces. You are right, in that there were no INTACT engines found. 24. You think fire can cause this?: http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060820.htm See my comments on this repeat of the earlier strawman argument above. 25. Do you think People in a Cave can get NORAD to Stand down? NORAD Has drills where planes were hijacked and were on course to crash into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Coincidence? I think not. That is what Cuased NORAD to stand down, Thinking it was just a Drill http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm 1. They were not in caves, until after 9/11, and were on the run. 2. I would hope that the army and airforce, set to defend the country, would have scenarios for war games that would cover all concievable scenarios, including the events you mentioned. 3. NORAD did not shut down, or stand down. 26. Jimmy Walter Is offering $100,000 To Anybody Who can Prove 9/11 Was NOT An Inside Job. Even PM Couldnt Stand Up. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41957 Update: He raised it to $1 Million http://www.reopen911.org He will never lose, as you cannot prove a negative. People In Government Accidently Slipped in this Scripted False Flag Terror Plot: 27. Bush saw the first plane hit live on tv: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4841608667647433773&q=bush+saw+1st+plane+hit+tower&hl=en (1min) Do not mistake a distant recollection of something, misdescribed, as an admission of guilt. The man is famous for his flubs, and this was just another, 3 months after the fact I might add. 28. Rumsfeld Says Flight 93 was shot down: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7171005197553914151&q=rumsfeld+flight+93+shot+down&hl=en (30sec) See my comments on #27. People make flubs in public addresses all the time. To think it was anything else...well that is just conspiranoia. And Silverstein Admitted Bombs Brought down WTC7, As I mentioned in Point #10. No he didnt. 29. Those buildings were blown to Dust. No computers, No desks, No Anything, Dust, A naturally collpasing Building Can Not do That. Since when do buildings "naturally" collapse. There is nothing "natural" about a building collapsing. Since the only other examples of such buildings collapsing is through demolition, it is the only reference we have, so how do any of us know how a building not collapsing from demolition should collapse, or what it should leave behind. 30. The FBI Has No Hard Evidence Connecting Osama Bin Laden to the 9/11 Attacks. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm No, what it says is that they have not officially indicted him with the crimes yet. If you read all of the info at the FBI site you link to, you will notice they have stated that these terrorists may be indicted at a later point with other attacks, including the 9/11 attacks. 31. People in the Scientific Community Risk there Lives, Jobs, and reputation trying to tell people the inside were an Inside Job: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770 A group of self confessed Conspiracy Theorists, lead by a JFK Conspiracist, J.Fetzer, decide to go public with their thoughts on 9/11. Stupid, yes, rediculous, yes, proof of an inside job....not by a million miles. Also, I authorize everybody to copy and paste this Information into there Blogs, to Help Spread the Word. I also notice Myspace is for a long of young people, So i encourage you to show your parents http://www.loosechange911.com A 90 minute Long Video, After They read this information. That video is great for Beginners. Good Luck Guys Disclaimer for use of above. I hope this has helped anyone who reads this blog to understand that all the coincidences and inconsistencies in the world do not add up to anything more than that, and in most cases it adds up to even less, because it adds up to mere speculation at the least, and down right misrepresentation and lieing about the deaths of 3000 people at worst. TAM posted by The Artistic Macrophage at 5:06 PM
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The comments are GARBAGE and not worth my time to debunk. Just go to http://www.WTC7.net and watch the video of WTC Tower 7 collapsing in 6.5 seconds despite the fact that it was not hit by a plane. NIST has to date refused to tell us why and how it collapsed. THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO RATIONAL EXPLANATION EXCEPT A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. END OF ARGUMENT.
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