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Title: Anglican/Episcopal Church Officially Promotes Idol Worship
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Published: Feb 5, 2007
Author: Ted Olsen
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Date: Sun, Jan 21 2007 2:49 am *False Churches, False Brethren, False Gospels Weblog: Anglican/Episcopal Church Officially Promotes Idol Worship* *"Women's Eucharist" calls for worship of pagan deities specifically condemned in Scripture.* Compiled by Ted Olsen Imagine for one moment that you're a leader in the Anglican/Episcopal Church USA. You know that within the next few days, a global commission is going to release a report on how the global Anglican Communion should respond to your church, and is likely to be critical of the ordination of an actively homosexual man as bishop. You know, and have said yourself, that the debate isn't just about sexuality: It's about how one views the Bible. And you know that all eyes will be on your denomination over the next few weeks. What do you do? What the real leaders of the Anglican/Episcopal Church did was to take an action that makes ordaining a homosexual man as a bishop almost a non-issue. They started promoting the (Satanic) worship of pagan deities. This is not a joke nor an overstatement. In all truth and seriousness, leaders of the Anglican/Episcopal Church USA are promoting pagan rites to pagan deities. And not just any new pagan deities: The Anglican/Episcopal Church USA, though its Office of Women's Ministries, is actually promoting the worship of idols specifically condemned in Scripture. "A Women's Eucharist: A Celebration of the Divine Feminine" is taken almost completely (without attribution) from a rite from Tuatha de Brighid, "a Clan of modern Druids who believe in the interconnectedness of all faiths." But who cares where it's from? Look at what it says. Here's how it begins. We gather around a low table, covered with a woven cloth or shawl. A candle, a bowl or vase of flowers, a large shallow bowl filled with salted water, a chalice of sweet red wine, a cup of milk mixed with honey, and a plate of raisin cakes are placed on the table. You might be wondering: What's with the raisin cakes? Is it just Communion wafers with raisins? No. The plate of raisin cakes is raised and a woman says, "Mother God, our ancient sisters called you Queen of Heaven and baked these cakes in your honor in defiance of their brothers and husbands who would not see your feminine face. We offer you these cakes, made with our own hands; filled with the grain of life scattered and gathered into one loaf, then broken and shared among many. We offer these cakes and enjoy them too. They are rich with the sweetness of fruit, fertile with the ripeness of grain, sweetened with the power of love. May we also be signs of your love and abundance." The plate is passed and each woman takes and eats a cake. So those raisin cakes have a historical reference: Those "brothers and husbands" banned them. Sound familiar? It's a reference to Hosea 3:1: And the LORD said to me, "Go again, love a woman who is loved by another man and is an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the children of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love cakes of raisins." Now there are other biblical references to raisin cakes, but this is the only reference (except possibly this one) to them having any kind of role in worship. Many scholars believe they were offerings to the goddess Asherah, the female counterpart to Baal, but in this context it may be more directly tied to Ishtar/Ashtoreth/ Astarte, the "Queen of Heaven." "Our ancient sisters called you Queen of Heaven," says the Anglican/Episcopal liturgy. That's a reference to Jeremiah. And not a happy one. In Jeremiah 7, God complains, "The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven. And they pour out drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger." The liturgy's reference to defiant women worshipping the Queen of Heaven with cakes comes directly from Jeremiah 44: Then all the men who knew that their wives had made offerings to other gods, and all the women who stood by, a great assembly, all the people who lived in Pathros in the land of Egypt, answered Jeremiah: "As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD, we will not listen to you. But we will do everything that we have vowed, make offerings to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we did, both we and our fathers, our kings and our officials, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, and prospered, and saw no disaster. But since we left off making offerings to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine." And the women said, "When we made offerings to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands' approval that we made cakes for her bearing her image and poured out drink offerings to her?" In other words, it wasn't their brothers and husbands that the women were defying: It was God. And now Anglican/Episcopal Church leaders want you to do the same. Defy God. Worship pagan deities. There is no other possible reading of this "Eucharistic" text. It should be noted that the pagan rite isn't on some hidden page in the deep recesses of the Anglican/Episcopal Church's web site. The site is actually promoting this. The main pages of the web site (there are three: one for members, another for visitors, and a third for leaders) all link to an Episcopal News Service article on the "The Women's Liturgy Project." The article says, in part: The Office of Women's Ministries is working towards creating a resource to be used by women, men, parishes, dioceses, small groups, within the context of a Sunday morning service, or any other appropriate setting where the honoring of a woman's life passages and experiences beckons a liturgical response. These can include, but are not limited to, liturgies/rites pertaining to: menstruation, menopause, conception, pregnancy, any form of pregnancy loss, childbirth, forms of leave taking, and many others. There is already a working section on the Women's Ministries website that contains worship resources that are currently available to be downloaded and used by all. Go to that worship resources page, and there are only nine offerings, the second of which is the "Women's Eucharist." Another troubling entry is the Liturgy for Divorce, which includes this theology: While the couple have promised in good faith to love until parted by death, in some marriages the love between a wife and a husband comes to an end sooner. Love dies, and when that happens we recognize that the bonds of marriage, based on love, also may be ended . God calls us to right relationships based on love, compassion, mutuality, and justice. Whenever any of these elements is absent from a marital relationship, then that partnership no longer reflects the intentionality of God. Such a view of love and marriage is profoundly unbiblical, but at least there's no prayer to fertility goddesses. (Commenters over Midwest Conservative Journal are discussing both rituals.) The Anglican Primate of Nigeria, Peter Akinola, has been explaining that the difference between his church and the Anglican/Episcopal Church USA isn't your standard intradenominational infighting. The Episcopal Church (along with other western churches, he says), isn't even Christian any more. Instead, he says, it's "embroiled in a new religion which we cannot associate ourselves with." One would have thought that the Anglican/Episcopal Church USA might have argued whether it was really practicing a different religion. Instead, their challenge to Akinola's statement might be that it's not new at all: Their idolatry has been around since Old Testament times.
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If they are going to be that way about it, they should start another service for the Celtic God that Corresponds to Brighid. And let everyone attend that one. They are never going to make that goofy "queers only" rule work.
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unity Church in santa barbara had something like this, but it wasn't as direct. they simply referred to is as the female principle. i am going to look into this. they may be doing it in my area. i will attend if they are.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Bully for you... or is that too mannish? Sorry if it is..... but you know how it goes, me being a man an all.....
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Who said it was goofy?! Any student of the history of religion can easily attest to the fact that ANY fertility worship was centered around servicing the needs of the men of the community!! Do I have to spell out what the needs were that needed to be serviced?! And if I do, then perhaps you should look up such on the net, cause there are sites that are discussing what is needed to be done to bring US law into line with permitting donations to be made at temples which would be established to handle the trade. So what are you.... homophobic? That the queers should not be allowed to participate in servicing the needs of the men of the community?! Oh, and hey, you ladies out there in lala land, if you think that this non- sense in these so-called churches is, somehow, all about you.... you really have never figured men out, now have ya.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
I'm not following you. Didn't god make man in His image and likeness? If yes, then He likes "queers." Right?
Why, Jethro, in the light of your estimed knowledge.... who would I be to doubt any statement you make? Oh, and in case you wonder, I know how to stell esteemed.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Dick, does He like queers, yes or no?
i agree they should make it a god and goddess ritual so everyone can attend. they need to put both a white and a red candle on the alter and use two glasses for the wine offering. they can then rewrite the invocation for the divine god and goddess. the way i understand it is that the type of bread is unimportant. some people use raisin cakes but others use other breads.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
Oh, I agree, whole heartedly! But then, many of these types of locations NOW exist.... of course, you are probably confused about them. Howsoever that may be, if you will simply look for the nearest obelisk, you can find such a location. Ummmmmmmm, start with the Washington Monument, I would suggest, then, ummmmmmmmmm, oh, yes, Oral Roberts has one prominently displayed, and, ummmm, where else... oh, RIGHT! Look over the door of your local religion center; THEY call it a bell tower, BUT, if you study it in comparision to recognized (for thousands of years) symbols of fertility worship, well, it makes it pretty clear as to the form of the worship done in that religion center. And, of course, in that religion center they worship Baal in some of his more interesting forms; i.e., as Marduk, the son of god, brought back to life in Dec. 25th, and as the sun god, to be worshipped on sun-day, and esp. during sun- rise servies, and, of course, the mother of the sun-god, Istar, or, in English, easter..... So, Morgana, you need hardly begin looking for something different because you are surrounded by it in many, many different forms! And silly you..... you thought everything goin on around you was, somehow, related to Christanity! Silly girl! http://www.remnantofgod.org/steep le.htm http://amightywind.com/pass over/lambvsham.htm Morgana, I do not care how you state it, or how you configure it, what you are talking about is fertility worship, and that ALWAYS ends up as a service to men, as in servicing their needs. And if you do not understand that, I suggest you do some studying, and stop latching onto anything that comes along and sounds good to you. Things which you apparently do not understand.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
*False Churches, False Brethren, False Gospels "....We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.' B'Nai B'rith Speech http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm The Office of Women's Ministries is working towards creating a resource to be used by women, men, parishes, dioceses, small groups, within the context of a Sunday morning service, or any other appropriate setting where the honoring of a woman's life passages and experiences beckons a liturgical response. These can include, but are not limited to, liturgies/rites pertaining to: menstruation, menopause, conception, pregnancy, any form of pregnancy loss, childbirth, forms of leave taking, and many others......." dead give-away.... Talmud Laws of Menstruation A menstruating woman defiles everyone and everything she touches. She is everybody's business. Mosaic Law makes a woman unclean for seven days. ... http://www.come- and-hear.com/editor/america_3.html ...more accurately, the Talmudist defiles America.... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html#11 "Our ancient sisters called you Queen of Heaven," says the Anglican/Episcopal liturgy. self-hating Jew.... Jer 8:1 ¶ At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves: Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth. Jer 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts....
Jethro, my name is Richard, OK? Not really neccessary to call me a dick.... As to what He likes, I am sure you understand, correct? I mean, you are familiar with His Law, and how His Love is Perfect, just as His Mercy is Perfect, and His Justice is Perfect, right? You do understand that when His Justice is Perfect, that it can not be mixed with His Perfect Mercy.... you get that, right? Just as all attributes of God are Perfection, and can not be mixed together; you get all of this, right? You understand how these two Perfect attributes of God can work together, BUT, can not be mixed, right? So, then you understand your question, and know the answer, without me needing to add anything, right?
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Thank you, my friend. A much more comprehensive answer than mine!
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Psycho
Absolutely, if you are a white person living in Oklahoma. But it is also my understanding the Christian God lividly hates fags, Islamofascists and liberals, Hindus, Bhuddists, Catholics and and that he wants these dogs tortured and killed. And that he appointed George W. Bush to this task. His appointed spokemen have said this in no uncertain terms. They are very clear about it. Just ask Pat Robertson, Sean Hannity or Ron Phelps. Here is an example: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217975,00.html Where is a spiritual person to go who isn't consumed with irrational hate 24/7? Why would they expose themselves to the violent, vile, nasty hatred and bigotry practiced by Christians?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That is great! Using the Jewish News Service for a source about Christianity! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, thank you. I have not had that good of a laugh in... well, in days! In fact, since the last time someone used such a source, if I remember correctly. It is pretty obvious that neither of you understand anything about Christianity, so it would be understandable that you both watch the tele to gain understanding. On the other hand.... I don't watch the tele. Or, listen to the propaganda broadcasts! Er, the Jewish News Service, ya know? Christian Law says that you do not go to war. Christian Law says that you are to love others as you love yourself. I have seen more hate posted in 4um than I have ever felt. My wife is not white; she is a Maya Indian, and a native Mèxican. And if you think, honestly, that men such as this; Just ask Pat Robertson, Sean Hannity or Ron Phelps. are actually Christian, just becasue they say they are, then you are, indeed, confused about the nature of men and do not understand anything about judging men by their actions, and not by their words.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
it is incredible!!! the Episcopal Church of US and Anglican of UK are using pagan ceremonies. a disgrace!!! and as Allthekingshorses pointed out it is prophesied in scripture. it seems there's more non-christians in the christian churches than christians. and the hate-mongers are eager to wallow in hate as celebration over it.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As an aside, why won't all the king's horses do it? Have they been fixed?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
My condolences. Is this your 1st wife?
Of course! And this was prophesied RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING of His church on earth, just as AlltheKingsHorses posted! Red, I hope you understand that this is how His Law works; it is a process by which the wheat is separated from the tares. A very natural process, indeed, and those who have no ability, or wish, to see it are, indeed, tares and will receive their just reward. His Justice is Perfect, Red, BUT He does not operate it; we do, and this is something that so many people have trouble understanding. It is how the universe operates, and the earth as well according to His Universal Law. And His Law, in so far as it applies, was put into our hands to finish His Perfect Plan. We seek salvation; WE seek His Judgement; WE seek His Mercy. WE seek eveything that He has promised. And everything that we seek is automatically applied, as we deserve. Kind of a scary thought, when you get right down to it.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Don't worry about it, Jethro; I am deeply in love with her, and she with me. We match up very well. She even likes my blue eyes! And no, she is not my first wife; I was married for 21 years to a blue-eyed blonde, who passed away in 97. I NEVER want to be in a position where I live alone, and, further more, I never will be. And, according to His Law, I never have to be; ain't that neat!?
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
I'm very happy for you my blue-eyed son. You are a lucky man to have dabbled in the 'institution' not once, but twice! And this is God's plan, you claim? Personally, I think Someone is playing you like a lab rat.
that made me laugh out loud.
Are all the churches doing this? I'd like to attend one of these. MEE 2! ;) I worship a goddess! (In fact a few of them.....)
Ah, but Jethro, the secret is that I do not dabble.... and my wife knows it. And, my first wife knew it as well. Now, ain't that neat?
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Actually, no. I think it's insane and not to mention it goes against all that the Good Book stands for. But I suppose a lake o' fire doesn't frighten ye?
Nope. Nothing much does, as a matter of fact. And, if I was mixing blood, perhaps I would be, but since I am not, what is your point? Do not bother to lecture me, Jethro; if and when you have the knowledge and understanding that I do, you can begin, but not until. It does not work.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Aesop's Fables is a more factual body of "knowledge" that the slop you're been floundering around in these past few years. If you and your knowledge posed any threat to the globalists, you’d be missing.
That's good! Why would I care about the globalists?! They are their own worst enemy! I posted Leaderless Resistence for a reason, hot shot. It means exactly what it says! Ignore them, and the so-called goverment, and make decisions based on what is best for you and your family.... IF you know enough to make such decisions, and, if you have enough self control to make the decesions stick. To be in this world, Jethro, but not of this world.... do you have any clue what that means? I will give you one little hint; it does not mean buying your food from Safeway.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Hey Dick, homosexuality is well within the range of normal human sexuality, and the Bible is mis-interpreted regarding that aspect of human sexuality. Homophobes violate 'God's Law' if you ant to get down to brass tacks, Oh yes as a Mike to a Dick, don't begrudge the short versuion of your name, he called you Dick, not a Dick, Dick.
Really, Mikey? Don't think so. Seems pretty clear to me. As to why.... well, I will let you decide. There is a doctor who was a surgeon in San Francisco when AIDS started. She has written a number of books, including; Cancer No Longer Frightens Me. And no, off hand I do not remember her name. She wrote extensively about the problems with homosexuals in San Fran, and esp. about the well-known public sex houses known as public bath houses, which, of course, have no disappeared thanks to AIDS. She also revealed that homos lived, on average, to 42 -- BEFORE the onset of AIDS, because of the tramua they cause in their choice of a 'hole' to use, and the passage of countless really, really bad germs and viruses from the anus to their hands, mouth, 'tool', and directly into their blood from that before mentioned trauma. You are, I assume, aware that the anus is the outlet for the sewer pipe in your body, right? Do you drink from the toilet, or, wash your hands in the toilet? If not, then you really have no way to judge how such pratices affect homos. Because in essense, that is what they do. Are you also aware of the man-boy love club of New York? And their continuing efforts to get the age of sexual consent lowered to 14? Or, better yet, 12? And what do you think, that the Boy Scouts of America are out of line for not permitting homosexuals access to all of the young men in Boy Scout Troops? Why do you suppose the homos are fighting to get in? Oh, and this is just the tip of the story, so, enjoy, and read up on the subject, but from people not involved in the so-called movement; read the real facts, and not the excuses.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Pedopilia is not homosexuality, let's stick tto the topic covered in my post. I do not like NAMBLA either, nor those who abuse young females. The mouth is often used by heterrosexuals for oral sex, thus they are evil according to your strange and narrow perception of human sexuality. I am not talking about your personal bigotry in my comment, I am speaking about mis-interpretting the Bible to unjustly and unfairly slam homosexuality. I am heterosexual, but I have no problems whatsoever with homosexuality, and the Bible supports my view, not yours. Stick to that if you wish to speak about this issue. Your personal bigotries are primarily your problem, with all due respect.
AIDS is a disease, and all people get it, not just homosexuals. Giving your woman, or getting from her herpies does not mean the Goddess (I am Wiccan) hates heterosexuals, and gays with HIV are not being condemned by the Goddess for any reason relating to the disease. I worked in an HIV hospice as a cook several years when IV drug users with whom I once planted trees with a long time contracted the disease, and I decided to volunteer to help. Most of the people at that particular assusted living hospice had contracted HIV from IV drug use incidently, and Lesbians do not often get the disease, which also makes nonsense out of your skewed sense of logic. What I was hoping you would get down to is to your "prooftexts" of homosexuality's condemnation. Let me clarify the concept of "prooftexts" or isogesis. To defend their assertion that God condemns homosexuals, people always use small passages from the Bible to prove their point. Using the Bible in this manner is destructive. Instead of "exegesis" which involves examining the history of scripture to find out what it means and how it applies to us, "eisegesis" approaches scripture with a preconceived idea of what you will find there. It is abuse of scripture. In eisegesis you search the Book until you find a passage you think applies and use it as your "proof" that God backs you up. You isolate that phrase or passage, take it out of context and improperly use it to back up your argument. It's like a friend taking a sentence or phrase out of a letter you wrote and using it to represent what you believe as a whole. It's easy to be taken out of context. You wouldn't want your views represented that way, but that's how the ideas and beliefs of the Bible's authors are presented everyday. Give me one of your favorite particular "clobber point" from scripture, and let us go from there, okay?
Unless men keep women under control, women degrade things. I believe that's why St. Paul said women were not to talk in church, and why the Catholic Church -- and churches that still have any sense -- don't allow them any great power. Women are ruled by their feelings, not their brains, and almost always put security above freedom. That's why liberalism = feminism.
Fortune favors the prepared mind. A zombie, however, prefers it raw.
Do not put words into my mouth, mikey. I can do that well enough without help. I spoke ONLY about the use of the anus in sexual relations; nothing else. So, from your comments, I assume that you do not accept that the anus is the exit for the end of the sewer pipe in your body, and thus is somewhat, shall we say, filthy? Interesting. Did you even know that the biggest killer of homos is hepatitis and not AIDS?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Heterosexuals go up the backside as well. There are even men and women who love penetration by the male by the female using a dildo as part of foreplay. You have your preferences for sex, and because they are preferences quite personal, what you don't like does not make it wrong because you would not do it. I have a Catholic guide from the 1920s for example that specifies the missionary position only, and calls for a sheet with a strategic hole in the right place to make the sex "proper. Catholic priests in Ireland are also fond of calling for those wanting divorce or having problems to live as if they were brother and sister, so the religious communities of Christianity and several major religions are excellent in unfairly condemning very legitimate and very normal sexual behaviors, such as homosexuality -- which we are specifically speaking of here. So I am not impresses with your capriciousness and mean spirited bigotry in this issue. I would also point out that not all homosexual men engage in anal sex, and that all parts of the body of either gender have been part of foreplay or use in sex in some way or another, so it is you who needs to move on to a germane point in this issue, not me.
Are we supposed to be shocked by something the Episcopal church comes up with? Death throes ... pitiful.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
AIDS is a BLOOD CARRIED disease, and all people get it, not just homosexuals. If you are going to post something, get it correct, please. The blood part is why IV drug uses and those who need/will accept blood transfusions have been hit so hard with AIDS. As a matter of fact, research showed that it took as many as 200 sexual encounters to pass the AIDS virus on, BUT, only one blood transfusion.... EXCEPT, for those who insisted on using the anus, which when used for sex always has breaks and other holes in it, thus passing 'things' into the blood system. For reference, see hepatitis. AIDS never was a sexually transmitted disease, but in the early stages of the beginnings of the problem, that was a convienent way to keep the real facts about the disease hidden. There have been documented cases of AIDS being transmitted by kissing; 95% of all mouths contain traces of blood in them. As to the other, not neccessary to play any games. I accept that, however imperfect the Bible translations may be, they are the Word of God. As such, I have tried to, in my imperfect way, fashion my life according to what the Bible says. Now, if you wish to open a Bible and look up the versus, great; here they are; Rom. 1:24-27 1 Tim. 1:9-11 Jude 7 When you read this, you may be interested in knowing that the name Sodom has become the basis for the word "sodomy." Then, after you have read the above, try 1 Cor. 6:9-11 The Bible is really pretty clear on the subject, and leaves very little to guess work or "isogesis".
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
I would not go that far. Instead, the Bible shows how a relationship between man and woman is based on a division of responsibility. The problems start when that line gets crossed - ineither direction. For instance, I knew a man who insisted on arranging the furniture in the house in a certain manner -- and my way or else! Needless to say, they were soon divorced. And probably the worst thing that has ever happened to families is when the women were forced out of the house and into the work force. As to this; Women are ruled by their feelings, Of course. That is why they are the mothers and the nuturers. And why we men are not well equipted to do those jobs. Their responsibility is security. Of the family, and unless men understand AND deal with that, well, leads to a lot of misunderstandings and problems.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
You replied: If you are going to post something, get it correct, please. The blood part is why IV drug uses and those who need/will accept blood transfusions have been hit so hard with AIDS. Looks like I got it quite correct, and you embellished my statement with additional comments. What is with you anyway? I got it correct. Rom. 1:24-27 The text reads (in the King James Version): Human sexuality researchers and others who have studied the nature of sexual orientation might reject Paul's belief that homosexuality is beyond the normal. Many religious liberals reject Paul's condemnation of homosexual behavior, particularly when Paul's support for the oppression of women, and his acceptance of slavery as a normal social practice in (Philemon 1:15 to 16) are considered. They might feel that this passage in 1 Romans should be rejected as immoral and outside the will of God, much as other biblical passages are immoral by today's ethical standards and should be ignored -- including those passages that regulated human slavery, required some hookers to be burned alive, advocated genocide, required victims of rape to marry their rapist, recognized the torture of prisoners, and required the execution of non-virgin brides. 1 Tim. 1:9-11 Text of 1 Timothy 1:9-10: The King James Version (KJV) of the Bible translates verse 9 and 10 as: The emphasized term translates the Greek word "arsenokoitai." The ambiguous term "arsenokoitai:" The original Greek word "arsenokoitai" was apparently created by Paul when he wrote 1 Corinthians about 55 CE. No record remains of any writer using the term before that time. The word is often translated in English versions of the Bible as "homosexual." That is, a men or women who is sexually attracted only to persons of the same sex. Some theologians are fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey, since the idea of a homosexual sexual orientation only surfaced in the 19th century after the start of the scientific study of human sexuality. Also, "arsen" in Greek means "man." Thus, it is most unlikely that "arsenokoitai" could refer to both male gays and lesbians. Various commentators have suggested that "arsenokoitai" means masturbators, pimps, prostitutes, boy sex slaves, male prostitutes, or abusive pedophiles. See a more detailed study of "arsenokoitai." I'll get to the others after work, I'm at lunch now.
Hormones and the right Thai surgeon can change you to be a she if that's what's bothering you here. ;-)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd I am quite sure, ..., that certain types of men are not turned away.... will depend, I suspect, on how you choose to present yurself; a clean dress and shaved legs would be much preferable to other ...choices(?).
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#8. To: Morgana le Fay (#7)
i will attend if they are.
#9. To: ..., Minerva, Morgana le Fey, all (#6)
They are never going to make that goofy "queers only" rule work.
#10. To: richard9151 (#9)
That the queers should not be allowed to participate in servicing the needs of the men of the community?!
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
If yes, then He likes "queers." Right?
#12. To: richard9151 (#11)
#13. To: richard9151 (#0)
We gather around a low table, covered with a woven cloth or shawl. A candle, a bowl or vase of flowers, a large shallow bowl filled with salted water, a chalice of sweet red wine, a cup of milk mixed with honey, and a plate of raisin cakes are placed on the table.
#14. To: Morgana le Fay, ladybug, Max, lodwick, all (#13)
so everyone can attend.
#15. To: richard9151, Morgana le Fay (#0)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
Dick,
#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Morgana le Fay (#15)
False Churches, False Brethren, False Gospels
#18. To: richard9151 (#16)
#19. To: richard9151 (#16)
I mean, you are familiar with His Law, and how His Love is Perfect, just as His Mercy is Perfect, and His Justice is Perfect, right?
#20. To: ..., Jethro Tull, all (#19)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217975,00.html
#21. To: richard9151 (#20)
#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#15)
#23. To: richard9151 (#20)
(Edited)
My wife is not white; she is a Maya Indian, and a native Mèxican.
#24. To: Red Jones (#21)
it seems there's more non-christians in the christian churches than christians.
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
My condolences. Is this your 1st wife?
#26. To: richard9151 (#25)
I NEVER want to be in a position where I live alone, and, further more, I never will be. And, according to His Law, I never have to be; ain't that neat!?
#27. To: Minerva, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)
(Edited)
As an aside, why won't all the king's horses do it? Have they been fixed?
#28. To: Minerva, Morgana le Fay, Zipporah, christine, Diana, rowdee, robin, ruthie (#1)
Cool.
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
dabbled in the 'institution' not once, but twice!
#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)
#31. To: richard9151 (#29)
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
But I suppose a lake o' fire doesn't frighten ye?
#33. To: richard9151 (#32)
if and when you have the knowledge and understanding that I do, you can begin, but not until. It does not work.
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
If you and your knowledge posed any threat to the globalists, you’d be missing.
#35. To: richard9151 (#16)
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#35)
homosexuality is well within the range of normal human sexuality, and the Bible is mis-interpreted regarding that aspect of human sexuality.
#37. To: richard9151 (#36)
#38. To: richard9151 (#36)
#39. To: richard9151 (#0)
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
The mouth is often used by heterrosexuals for oral sex, thus they are evil according to your strange and narrow perception of human sexuality.
#41. To: richard9151 (#40)
(Edited)
#42. To: richard9151 (#0)
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
AIDS is a disease, and all people get it, not just homosexuals.
#44. To: YertleTurtle (#39)
Unless men keep women under control,
#45. To: richard9151 (#43)
I said:AIDS is a BLOOD CARRIED disease, and all people get it, not just homosexuals.
Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."
"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine."
#46. To: richard9151 (#8)
"but you know how it goes, me being a man an all....."
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