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Title: Christians Should Follow Christ, Not Do The Bidding Of AIPAC
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Published: Feb 5, 2007
Author: Jean Allen
Post Date: 2007-02-05 17:28:19 by Brian S
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Dear Editor: Christ said, “Blessed are the peacemakers." So, how did Christians turn into Christian-Zionists (evangelicals), elect Bush, and fund the bombing of Iraqi and Palestinian children? And how can they claim to be “pro-life?" I guess the tourists don’t go into refugee camps where Palestinians are starving. They don’t visit the Baptist Church in Gaza where American and Arab Christians worship together (and pray the American-made missiles don’t hit them). Where does the Bible say we should support the “state" of Israel? When God spoke to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3, there WAS no state of Israel. Israel, the grandson of Abraham, hadn’t yet been born. Helping the Zionist movement along was Cyrus Scofield, an opportunistic criminal-turned-preacher. According to Joseph Canfield, author of “The Incredible Scofield," Scofield tore out the pages of a King James Bible, pasted them onto a yellow notepad, and doodled on the yellow paper for years. In 1908, the Oxford Press (reportedly close to Lord Rothschild) published his notes. Hence, the Scofield Reference Bible, relied upon by the seminaries of America. References to the Jews and the state of Israel were in these footnotes. Somebody knew there was to be a state of Israel and had plans for occupying Palestine before the 1948 Balfour Declaration. In 1967, when Scofield was dead, footnotes were added to declare that “anti-Semitism" by nations would bring judgment upon those nations. The stage was set. Christians should follow Christ, not do the bidding of AIPAC [American Israel Public Affairs Committee].
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
The question that begs an answer..
There is properly no such thing as a "Christian Zionist." No article of the Christian faith---a more universalist faith than for example Islam---even remotely promotes or approves of a political, secular, particularist national movement and ideology such as Zionism.
indeed
All wars are fought for money. I've always wondered when/why the term "Judeo-Christian" came into play... Don't remember it being part of my Grandma's "old time religion" vocabulary.
According to Wikipedia: "The term was first used with its current meaning in 1938, during World War II[1] to as an alternative to using the term 'Christian civilization' in light of Hitler's attacks on Jews and Judaism. Some assert that the term was invented in the United States in an attempt to create a non-denominational religious consensus or civil religion that, by embracing Judaism, avoided the appearance of anti-Semitism. The term is now commonly used in popular culture as a shorthand for the predominant religious influences upon Western culture." But I honestly dont recall the term being used but in the last 20 or so years..
Yep...I ask myself that very same question when I hear the local "Christian' talk show foaming at the mouth about bombing the crap out of every Muslim and Arab in the Middle East...all for the glory of G-d and Israel, of course.
The hold two diametrically opposed viewpoints.. but never attempt to reconcile the two.. just attempt to get them to logically defend their position.. lotsa luck. :P
Quite simply, they were labeled as such (which doesn't necessarily make the label accurate); it can be argued they also elected Clinton and the previous Democratic administration (in anger over GHWB's breaking his "read my lips, no new taxes" pledge) which Democratic administration likewise "funded the bombing of Iraqi and Palestinian children during the '90s" (that argument cuts both ways); and they can claim to be pro-life because they are anti-abortion, not necessarily anti-capital punishment or accommodating of terrorism. There are many 'red-state' evangelicals who of late are dissatisifed with Bush et al (the Republicans lost much of their support in the last election as they stayed home), so while you can argue they're not as informed as internet surfers and they learn slowly, you can't argue they continue to support Bush as much as they used to. And the alternative (supporting Democrats) isn't appealing so don't look for any big moves to the left in fly-over country. When any political constituency is broad-brushed with misleading labels, it is easy to generate the appearance of hypocrisy.
(Be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves)
No narrow view re just Bush on this topic or others.. it does cut both ways.. I equally reject them both ~Rs & Ds.. they are truly just two sides of one coin. But that does not address why there are professing Christians who claim to be anti-abortion but support this war as well as the treatment of Palestinians.. they've harden their hearts..
Who is a "Jew"? The Jewish historian Arthur Koestler shows that most Jews are Khazars, not original Jews. Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897: “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . . I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. -- From Herzl's Diary Anti-Zionist Jewish Protestors "You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
a) Eliminate the false Christians and now you might get a much more insightful answer. I'm a pro-life professing Christian who supported (and still supports) the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, but *not* Iraq, and who also believes Hamas, PLO, Hezbullah make themselves fair targets when they are targeting civilians. And while I have a great deal of sympathy for the average palestinian civilian who is caught in the cross fire, it is near impossible to separate him from the terrorists he elects to represent him and who subsequently hide behind him, and have been doing so since the 60's under Arafat's "leadership" of the Palestinian cause. Everyone has had a hand in making the mideast a seething cauldron of conflict: Jews, Arabs, Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians, Egyptians, US, Westerners, Europeans, Asians, Russians, yada yada yada... singling out "Christian Zionists" with loaded questions and false premises, IMO, merely exposes the questioner's agenda.
(Be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves)
I don't discount the possibility or even probability that Jesus was dark- skinned. I checked out the link, and I'm not sure I agree with the contention that there were no whites in the Middle East, though. David was "ruddy" and Esau had red hair. search under "ruddy": 1Sa 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Sa 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sgs 5:10 My beloved [is] white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Sgs/Sgs005.html#10 [white here means dazzling, glowing etc.] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lam 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing [was] of sapphire: =============================== Outline of Biblical Usage 1) red, ruddy (of Esau as infant) Isn't red hair usually seen in very fair-skinned people? It is also a recessive gene. In order for Esau to have red hair, it would have to have been on both sides of the family, i.e., both Jacob and Rebekah would have had to carry the gene. Rebekah had a brother, Laban, which means "white". Whether this referred to his skin, I don't know: Gen 28:1 ¶ And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan. Gen 28:2 Arise, go to Padanaram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother. Gen 28:3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people; Gen 28:4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee [see Galatians 3:16-29]; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham. [ Gen 28:5 And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob's and Esau's mother...... Laban (Strong's 03837) Hebrew for 03837 Outline of Biblical Usage Laban = "white" 1) son of Bethuel, brother of Rebekah, and father of Leah and Rachel laban (Strong's 03835) Hebrew for 03835 Pronunciation Guide laban {law-ban'} TWOT Reference Root Word TWOT - 1074b,1074h a primitive root Part of Speech v Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to be white a) (Hiphil) 1) to make white, become white, purify 2) to show whiteness, grow white b) (Hithpael) to become white, be purified (ethical) 2) (Qal) to make bricks Furthermore, we don't know much about the bondwomen who became Jacob's wives. They could very well have been white. They weren't Israelites, or they would not have been bondwomen. ==================================== While we are on Genesis 28, here's the promise the "Jews" [and the (Judeo-) British monarchy! et al] cling to: Gen 28:10 ¶ And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran. Gen 28:11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put [them for] his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. Gen 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. Gen 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I [am] the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; Gen 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and **** in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. ===================================== Here's ONE of the places where Galatians 3:16-29 comes in: Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as on one, *** And to thy seed, Which is Christ.......29 *** And if ye be Christs's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. [*** You might want to take a look at the next verse as well (Gal. 3:17), because here reference is made to the PROMISE that was made in Genesis 15:13- 14, and that it was not disannulled ["annulled"] by the LAW given on Mt. Sinai to the Israelites who came out of Egypt 430 years to the day from the time they went into Egypt (Exodus 13:40-41)....and they were NOT afflicted 400 years....they were treated well while Joseph was alive...Joseph being a lad when they sold him into Egypt, and 110 when he died there....do the math. We, on the other hand, have been in bondage to a whole host of people from our founding with that cross at Cape Henry - see THE US IS STILL A (Judeo-)BRITISH COLONY; and THE ULTIMATE DELUSION by Stephen Ames; and THEY WERE WHITE AND THEY WERE SLAVES by Michael Hoffman; and THE JEWS AND THE BLACK HOLOCAUST at http://blacksandjews.com (?) for examples.] ============================== re Gen. 28:14 [You might stop and ask yourself here, whether the world has been blessed with the Jews and the doctrines of their Talmud; or the seed of Christ, who practice his pure, untarnished law to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself.] continuing with Gen 28.... Gen 28:15 And, behold, I [am] with thee, and will keep thee in all [places] whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done [that] which I have spoken to thee of. the other scriptures that go hand-in-hand with the above promise: Jos 1:1 ¶ Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, Jos 1:2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, [even] to the children of Israel. [the children of Israel now are the Christians. see Gal. 3:16-29 again, and Gal. 4:28; 21-31; Romans 9:6-8, whole chapter. I HIGHLY recommend reading Justin Martyr's JUSTIN MARTYR, DIALAGUE WITH TRYPHO, A JEW at http://ccel.org . He goes into great detail explaining that Christians are the seed promised to Abraham. Note the description of the "old man" that enlightened him. He was out "looking for some of his household who had gone away from him". See Ezekiel 34, and the New Testament where Jesus said He had not come but for the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel, and that He had "others not of this flock and them too I must bring". Note the "old man" knew the mind of the animals. I am convinced the "old man" was Jesus.] continuing with Joshua... Jos 1:3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. Jos 1:4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast. http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Jos/Jos001.html#3 The children of Japheth [listen up Khazars] were prophesied to take over the possessions of the children of Shem. Remember Jesus said the first would be last, and the last would be first. Note the order given here: Gen 9:26 And he said, Blessed [be] the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Gen 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant..... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen009.html#27 The genealogy, the BLESSED son is mentioned first: Gen 10:1 ¶ Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, (1) Shem, (2)Ham, and (3)Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. note how the order is reversed [(1) Japheth (2) Canaan (3) Shem]: Gen 10:2 ¶ The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. Gen 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. Gen 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Gen 10:6 ¶ And the sons of (2)Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan..... and (1)Shem pulls up the rear: Gen 10:21 ¶ Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were [children] born..... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen010.html#21 Japheth's TENTS would be enlarged and Japheth's seed would dwell in the tents of Shem....and guess what....Christ's apostle to the gentiles, Paul, was a TENTMAKER, in more ways than one! [Isaiah 49:6] The tabernacle was also a tent. God said He would RAISE UP THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID THAT WAS FALLEN. The tabernacle was replaced by the TEMPLE. The physical temple was replaced with the church, through Shem's seed: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and JESUS. Japheth and all the nations were brought into the "tent", the House of the Lord, through JESUS. Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, [thou] barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Isa 54:2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; Isa 54:3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited..... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal004.html#27 http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Gal/4/27.html .....and that's how.... CHRISTIANS became heirs to THE WHOLE WORLD, not the "Jews". Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom008.html#17 ===================================== continuing with Gen. 28..... Gen 28:16 And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew [it] not. Gen 28:17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful [is] this place! this [is] none other but the house of God, and this [is] the gate of heaven. Gen 28:18 ¶ And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put [for] his pillows, and set it up [for] a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. Gen 28:19 And he called the name of that place Bethel: [means "House of God"] but the name of that city [was called] Luz at the first. Gen 28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, Gen 28:21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: Gen 28:22 And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen028.html#5 That "stone" is one of the substitutes for "the Stone the builders refused": Jesus Christ. The Judeo-British monarchy CLAIMS to have this pillar stone. They call it the Stone of Destiny or the Lia Fail, and supposedly all their kings and queens have been crowned while sitting on it [ http://www.freedomd omain.com/racism/brit_israel2.html ], and they think this gives them the divine right to rule over us all. Note GOD didn't say anything about this stone being His house....Jacob made it all up. Furthermore, Bethel is no longer the house of God: Amo 5:4 ¶ For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live: Amo 5:5 But seek not Bethel, nor enter into Gilgal, and pass not to Beersheba: for Gilgal shall surely go into captivity, and Bethel shall come to nought..... http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Amo/Amo005.html#5 Bethel is one of the places they set up the golden calf: http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Amo/5/5.html http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Amo/8/14.html Dear Editor: Christ said, “Blessed are the peacemakers." So, how did Christians turn into Christian-Zionists (evangelicals), elect Bush, and fund the bombing of Iraqi and Palestinian children? And how can they claim to be “pro-life?" with years and years of brain-washing: Jewish Persecution by Jackie Patru | Section Nineteen "Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction. "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two ... [hundred years will be working for "divine govenment" which is the British empire under the watchful eye of (Judeo-) Freemasonry] http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers pective/ jewishpersecution19.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages The Greatest Hoax by Charlie Samples"Your churches will be used to teach the Jews' religion and in less than two hundred ... And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back ... http://www.sweet liberty.org/issues/hoax/greatesthoax.htm see the Judeo-British plot against America [if you have not already]: http://www.freedomdomain.com/rac ism.html http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#2 ============================ Jer 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23:30 ¶ Therefore, behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD............. http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer023.html#29 http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Jer/23/29.html Use it!
Then one is forced to inquire why it is that evangelical Christians take offense to any statement made that denies the zionazi occupation of Palestine ? And why dies this seemingly rabid support for such an obvious UN / Rothschild fraud exist at all ?
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
Maybe all red heads should demand Israeli citizenship ;P
All wars are fought for money. That just reminded me....A couple of times I have seen Palestinian moms, who looked very Arabic, with their little kids in tow, and those kids looked like they just stepped out of Ireland with their curly red hair, and pale skin! hmmm...I left out part of Gen. 28, didn't I? Gen 28:6 ¶ When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan; Gen 28:7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone to Padanaram; Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father; Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife. http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen028.html#6 So that's probably where that red hair crept in from time to time. So Esau's seed has been in Palestine all those two thousand years when Jacob's were cast out. Funny thing, though, isn't it, that the KHAZARS also were reputed to sometimes have red and blond hair, light skin and blue eyes, in addition to the ones having black hair. They're probably all related. The only solution, IMO, is to end the foolishness, and for everyone to take ahold of the New Covenant, and the mediator of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, who is the God of the Old Testament: http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/6.html Since no man could see God or he would die: http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/1/18.html ....it was JESUS who wrestled with Jacob: http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen032.html#30 ....it was JESUS who met Hagar in the desert, and told her she would have ISHMAEL: http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen016.html#13 and it was JESUS who met Samson's parents: http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg013.html#22 [and herein is one of my pet peeves: the KJV translates the "Angel's" name as being "secret", when what He actually said was WONDERFUL: http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/18.html =================================================== Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called WONDERFUL, Counsellor, The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, The PRINCE OF PEACE. Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/7.html One God of the Whole World http://www.thundermi nistries.com/history/OneGod.html JESUS IS GOD http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/One-Ch4.htm How much better it would be if we could bomb the Middle East with leaflets of Christ's love, rather than with zionazi death and destruction.
"....Chapter CXXXIX.-The Blessings, and Also the Curse, Pronounced by Noah Were Prophecies of the Future. "For another mystery was accomplished and predicted in the days of Noah, of which you are not aware. It is this: in the blessings wherewith Noah blessed his two sons, and in the curse pronounced on his son's son. For the Spirit of prophecy would not curse the son that had been by God blessed along with [his brothers]. But since the punishment of the sin would cleave to the whole descent of the son that mocked at his father's nakedness, he made the curse originate with his son.533 Now, in what he said, he foretold that the descendants of Shem would keep in retention the property and dwellings of Canaan: and again that the descendants of Japheth would take possession of the property of which Shem's descendants had dispossessed Canaan's descendants; and spoil the descendants of Shem, even as they plundered the sons of Canaan. And listen to the way in which it has so come to pass. For you, who have derived your lineage from Shem, invaded the territory of the sons of Canaan by the will of God; and you possessed it. And it is manifest that the sons of Japheth, having invaded you in turn by the judgment of God, have taken your land from you, and have possessed it. Thus it is written: `And Noah awoke from the wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him; and he said, Cursed be Canaan, the servant; a servant shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. May the Lord enlarge Japheth, and let him dwell in the houses of Shem; and let Canaan be his servant.'534 Accordingly, as two peoples were blessed,-those from Shem, and those from Japheth,-and as the offspring of Shem were decreed first to possess the dwellings of Canaan, and the offspring of Japheth were predicted as in turn receiving the same possessions, and to the two peoples there was the one people of Canaan handed over for servants; so Christ has come according to the power given Him from the Almighty Father, and summoning men to friendship, and blessing, and repentance, and dwelling together, has promised, as has already been proved, that there shall be a future possession for all the saints in this same land. And hence all men everywhere, whether bond or free, who believe in Christ, and recognise the truth in His own words and those of His prophets, know that they shall be with Him in that land, and inherit everlasting and incorruptible good..........." link to Dialogue of Justin Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-48.htm Isa 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. Isa 65:10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me. Isa 65:11 But ye [are] they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Isa 65:12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose [that] wherein I delighted not. Isa 65:13 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: Isa 65:14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit. Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create "new heavens and a new earth": and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind........ http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa065.html#10 there's one more thing you might consider, and then I'm done for the day: .........Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant [note: "every place your foot shall tread"], wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.......... The parable of the Two Sticks http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze037.html#25 [read all] I think that refers to America, the New Israel/New Jerusalem: The Saga of Ancient Hebrew Explorers Who Really Discovered America? - Evidence the Israelites did! http://hope-of-israel.org/hebinusa.htm Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.........
It's an article of faith, not to be questioned. I'm sure it's supported by scripture. Or maybe it isn't supported by scripture. A case can probably be found for either argument.
No, thanks. My ancestors, a Colonel in the Green Mountain Boys, fought to liberate this Republic from the tyranny of King George. Until death, I am an American citizen...although this country today has little to do with the one established in the 18th Century.
Red heads are descended from Neanderthals. Damn straight...those Redcoats in New England sure found out the hard way.
I have some red heads in the family, but I'm able to pass as Cro-Magnon.
ROTF!!
Abundant body hair would have made a move north to cooler climes very appealing.
Those who make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities. – Voltaire
This could also be written: Iraqi/Palestinian civilians could also justifiably state
Recent speculation has it that a big advantage Homo sapiens had over Neanderthals was the method of hunting dangerous big game. Neanderthals would hunt with all the tribe members -- men, women, and children. Homo sapiens left the hunting to the men, thus saving the women for more reproduction and giving the children a better chance of growing up.
Iraqi/Palestinian civilians could also justifiably state While I will grant you that GWB's calls for "regime change" in Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria offers many parallels to the terrorist calls for destruction of Israel, it remains the terrorists' unrelenting Jihad first against Jews since the 1920s (even when Jews had every legal and moral right to coexist in Palestine as did the "Palestinians") and now against the entire world (including even Muslims in Islamic states) that perpetuates the violence. The terrorists have broken every "peace agreement" and been unwavering in their vows to eradicate Israel.
(Be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves)
Well, so who represents Australopithecus? anyone else think it looks like the Resident potus?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell Neanderthals would hunt with all the tribe members -- men, women, and children. Homo sapiens left the hunting to the men, thus saving the women for more reproduction and giving the children a better chance of growing up. Now that all the moms are working again, leaving the few children they bear to daycare workers (other moms working), I wonder how much progress we're making. My paternal grandparents enjoyed hunting in Eastern Oregon once a year, even into their 80s. A real ritual. My grandmother was the camp cook, but one of her sisters loved to hunt. My sister went along one year, she couldn't enter the skinning tent.
Those who make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities. – Voltaire Of course, what's advantageous for survival changes over time. In the case of prehistoric big-game hunting, it was incredibly dangerous. Neantherthal skeletons, including the women and children, have lots of healed- over broken bones, and that was the clue that the women and children were taking part in the hunting.
That's chimp-boy all right, Incurious George. The New York Times had an article last year about using genetics to study human evolution. In particular, the Times reported on when Europeans got their white skin, since it's assumed that the first humans came out of Africa 45,000 years ago with dark skin: "The finding of five skin genes selected 6,600 years ago could imply that Europeans acquired their pale skin much more recently." So we were all soul brothers not that long ago.
No doubt, not much danger for the hunter anymore; unless you are hunting with Dick Cheney.
Those who make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities. – VoltaireSo, how did Christians turn into Christian-Zionists (evangelicals), elect Bush, and fund the bombing of Iraqi and Palestinian children? And how can they claim to be “pro-life?"
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: Zipporah, Red Jones, tom007, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Starwind (#1)
~Socrates
#4. To: Zipporah, all (#1)
#5. To: Brian S (#4)
#6. To: Zipporah (#1)
And how can they claim to be “pro-life?"
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#7. To: who knows what evil (#6)
Yep...I ask myself that very same question when I hear the local "Christian' talk show foaming at the mouth about bombing the crap out of every Muslim and Arab in the Middle East...all for the glory of G-d and Israel, of course.
#8. To: robin, Zipporah, Red Jones, tom007, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#3)
So, how did Christians turn into Christian-Zionists (evangelicals), elect Bush, and fund the bombing of Iraqi and Palestinian children? And how can they claim to be 60;pro-life?"
#9. To: Starwind (#8)
#10. To: Brian S (#0)
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So, how did Christians turn into Christian-Zionists...
Have you seen The Thirteenth Tribe? Click here.
Plus our discussion about it is here. 
Theodor Herzl
#11. To: Zipporah (#9)
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But that does not address why there are professing Christians who claim to be anti-abortion but support this war as well as the treatment of Palestinians.. they've harden their hearts.
b) Distinguish between the PLO, Palestinian terrorists and Palestinian bystanders
c) Ask them again and include Palestinian recognition for Israel's right to exist in peace from terrorism...
#12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, Brian S, Zipporah, Peatie Wheatstraw, robin, who knows what evil, Starwind (#10)
Plus our discussion about it is here.
#13. To: all (#12)
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#14. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#2)
No article of the Christian faith---even remotely promotes or approves of a political, secular, particularist national movement and ideology such as Zionism.
#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Red Jones (#12)
~Socrates
#16. To: robin (#15)
#17. To: Brian S, robin, all (#0)
#18. To: all (#1)
So, how did Christians turn into Christian-Zionists (evangelicals), elect Bush, and fund the bombing of Iraqi and Palestinian children? And how can they claim to be “pro-life?"
#19. To: robin (#15)
Maybe all red heads should demand Israeli citizenship ;P
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#20. To: robin (#15)
Maybe all red heads should demand Israeli citizenship ;P
I've already said too much.
#21. To: MUDDOG (#20)
Red heads are descended from Neanderthals.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#22. To: who knows what evil (#21)
I've already said too much.
#23. To: MUDDOG (#22)
I have some red heads in the family, but I'm able to pass as Cro-Magnon.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#24. To: MUDDOG (#20)
She found that the gene was present 100,000 years ago-at least 70,000 years before Homo Sapiens' migration into Europe from Africa. Harding maintains that the gene could not have originated in the sweltering heat of Africa, because natural selection would not have allowed the survival of a trait that predisposes humans to skin cancer.
#25. To: Starwind (#11)
and who also believes Hamas, PLO, Hezbullah make themselves fair targets when they are targeting civilians. And while I have a great deal of sympathy for the average palestinian civilian who is caught in the cross fire, it is near impossible to separate him from the terrorists he elects to represent him and who subsequently hide behind him, and have been doing so since the 60's under Arafat's "leadership" of the Palestinian cause.
Hamas, PLO, Hezbullah jews, zionists, americans make themselves fair targets when they are targeting civilians. And while I have a great deal of sympathy for the average palestinian jew, zionist, american civilian who is caught in the cross fire, it is near impossible to separate him from the terrorists he elects to represent him and who subsequently hide behind him, and have been doing so since the 60's under Arafat's zionist "leadership" of the Palestinian israeli cause.
#26. To: robin, who knows what evil (#24)
I've already said too much.
#27. To: Brian S (#25)
lol - while I understand the 'spirit' in which you hope to draw moral equivalence, and arguably there is no defense for the US invasion of Iraq, it can not be said that jews, zionists, americans have for the last 40 years or so intentionally targeted civilians or that their fighters hide amongst the civilian populations, nor have they called for the destruction of any nation or country, as terrorists have been calling for the destruction of Israel for 60 years or more. Hamas, PLO, Hezbullah jews, zionists, americans make themselves fair targets when they are targeting civilians. And while I have a great deal of sympathy for the average palestinian jew, zionist, american civilian who is caught in the cross fire, it is near impossible to separate him from the terrorists he elects to represent him and who subsequently hide behind him, and have been doing so since the 60's under Arafat's zionist "leadership" of the Palestinian israeli cause.
#28. To: MUDDOG, ALL (#22)
have some red heads in the family, but I'm able to pass as Cro-Magnon.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX
#29. To: MUDDOG (#26)
Recent speculation has it that a big advantage Homo sapiens had over Neanderthals was the method of hunting dangerous big game.
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt
#30. To: robin (#29)
I've already said too much.
#31. To: IndieTX (#28)
I've already said too much.
#32. To: MUDDOG (#30)
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt
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