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Title: BAC: Goldi-Lox is a Kook!
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... i?ArtNum=175627&Disp=All&#C185
Published: Feb 6, 2007
Author: BAC
Post Date: 2007-02-06 11:38:51 by BAC
Keywords: None
Views: 14302
Comments: 199

ROTFLOL!

Clintonistas!

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#45. To: Dakmar (#43) (Edited)

Have you considered a bumper sticker?

please kill me :)

How about, "I voted for Bush". That might work.

That's a joke BTW... LOL


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-06   21:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FormerLurker, honway (#44)

There's nothing that I could find honway, I think it's a false alarm.

It's not a false alarm.

I just posted the LP thread with the Senate Amendment 187 to the previous House Resolution and previous Senate Bill.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=175808&Disp=Refresh&

AND

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=175627&Disp=283#283

This was the original SB 1097-1102 passed January 24, 2007. Just page forward.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi? dbname=2007_record&page=S1091&position=all

You need to cut and paste the urls. Neil's software is not agreeable to any long links I try to post as live links here.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-02-06   21:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: scrapper2 (#46)

I don't see anything about amnesty. Please post an excerpt that refers to that topic.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-06   22:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: FormerLurker (#47)

I don't see anything about amnesty. Please post an excerpt that refers to that topic.

Thank you for revealing yourself and your hidden agenda.

Forgiving illegals for breaking our national immigration laws and giving them "magique" rabbit out of the hat legal status is AMNESTY, n'est pas?

Or are you going to argue that paying a fine makes everything fair and square with the US taxpayers and we should overlook the fact that illegal aliens not only broke our laws but also took advantage of our education, social, and welfare services in many many instances, not to mention that their illegal behavior served to displace those who have patiently waited in the legal immigration queue for years.

You and I are done.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-02-06   22:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: scrapper2 (#48)

Thank you for revealing yourself and your hidden agenda.

Quit your bitching and post the damn info if you have it.

Or is it that you DON'T know what the hell you are talking about maybe, and that is why you need to get all pissy when I ask a simple question?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-06   22:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: scrapper2 (#48)

Forgiving illegals for breaking our national immigration laws and giving them "magique" rabbit out of the hat legal status is AMNESTY, n'est pas?

As far as I can tell, you're talking to yourself, as I'm certainly not for granting amnesty to illegals. I just asked for something other than links to thousands of pages of legalize in regards to what you are claiming. So far, I've seen NOTHING that reflects what you and others on LP are claiming.

If you have a problem with that, tough shit.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-06   22:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: scrapper2 (#48)

You and I are done.

Ah shucks, and I was starting to have fun. Good riddence asshole.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-06   22:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: BAC (#0) (Edited)

Here is the actual ban notice to BeAChooser:

293. To: BeAChooser (#235)

Okay that's IT!!

Your actions here can be categorized as clearly disruptive.

Disruptive to this thread and disruptive to it's important message

Disruptive to everyone of those who are working to get info out that is critical for this nation.

And frankly...I've had enough. As has everyone else on this board.

SO, You are ...

TOTALLY AND FOREVER OUTTA HERE!!!

Take your crap and post it someplace else. I'm classifying you now as a disruptor.

You are BANNED!!!

Goldi-Lox posted on 2007-02-06 11:12:05 ET Reply Trace

Coral Snake  posted on  2007-02-06   23:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Coral Snake (#52)

She didn't really ban me. The Ron Brown zombie was standing in for me there. The same one that Clinton brought back to life and used to hide the WMD in Syria. That's who she actually banned.

ROTFLOL!

KOOKS!

BAC  posted on  2007-02-06   23:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: honway, scrapper2, christine (#37)

I located the following info by looking up Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act with Google, then correlating the appropriate section with Senate Amendment 187, HR.2, that I found on Thomas.

In the PROPOSED McCain Kennedy Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act, the text reads as follows;

From Summary of the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act

TITLE VII – H-5B Non-Immigrants 


Whereas what Congress actually passed is as follows;

From TEXT OF AMENDMENTS -- (Senate - January 24, 2007)

   ``Sec..250A..H- 5B nonimmigrants.''.

   SEC. 1702. ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS FOR H- 5B NONIMMIGRANTS.

    (a) In General.--Chapter 5 of title II of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1255 et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 245A the following:

   ``ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS OF FORMER H-5B NONIMMIGRANT TO THAT OF PERSON ADMITTED FOR LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENCE

    ``Sec. 245B. (a) Requirements.- -The Secretary shall adjust the status of an alien from nonimmigrant status under section 101(a)(15)(H)(v)(b) to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence under this section if the alien satisfies the following requirements:

    ``(1) COMPLETION OF EMPLOYMENT OR EDUCATION REQUIREMENT.--The alien establishes that the alien has been employed in the United States, either full time, part time, seasonally, or self- employed, or has met the education requirements of subsection (f) or (g) of section 250A during the period required by section 250A (e).

    ``(2) RULEMAKING.--The Secretary shall establish regulations for the timely filing and processing of applications for adjustment of status for nonimmigrants under section 101(a)(15)(H)(v) (b).

    ``(3) APPLICATION AND FEE.--The alien who applies for adjustment of status under this section shall pay the following:

    ``(A) APPLICATION FEE.--An alien who files an application under section 245B of the Immigration and Nationality Act, shall pay an application fee, set by the Secretary.

    ``(B) ADDITIONAL FINE.--Before the adjudication of an application for adjustment of status filed under this section, an alien who is at least 21 years of age shall pay a fine of $1,000.

    ``(4) ADMISSIBLE UNDER IMMIGRATION LAWS.--The alien establishes that the alien is not inadmissible under section 212(a), except for any provision of that section that is not applicable or waived under section 250A(d) (2).

    ``(5) MEDICAL EXAMINATION.--The alien shall undergo, at the alien's expense, an appropriate medical examination (including a determination of immunization status) that conforms to generally accepted professional standards of medical practice.

    ``(6) PAYMENT OF INCOME TAXES.--

    ``(A) IN GENERAL.- -Not later than the date on which status is adjusted under this section, the alien shall establish the payment of all Federal income taxes owed for employment during the period of employment required by section 250A(e) by establishing that--

    ``(i) no such tax liability exists;

    ``(ii) all outstanding liabilities have been met; or

    ``(iii) the alien has entered into an agreement for payment of all outstanding liabilities with the Internal Revenue Service.

    ``(B) IRS COOPERATION.--The Commissioner of Internal Revenue shall provide documentation to an alien upon request to establish the payment of all income taxes required by this paragraph.

    ``(7) BASIC CITIZENSHIP SKILLS.--

    ``(A) IN GENERAL.--Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the alien shall establish that the alien--

    ``(i) meets the requirements of section 312; or

    ``(ii) is satisfactorily pursuing a course of study to achieve such an understanding of English and knowledge and understanding of the history and government of the United States.

    ``(B) RELATION TO NATURALIZATION EXAMINATION.--An alien who demonstrates that the alien meets the requirements of section 312 may be considered to have satisfied the requirements of that section for purposes of becoming naturalized as a citizen of the United States under title III.

    ``(8) SECURITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND CHECKS.--The Secretary shall conduct a security and law enforcement background check in accordance with procedures described in section 250A(h).

    ``(9) MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE.--The alien shall establish that if the alien is within the age period required under the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), that such alien has registered under that Act.

    ``(b) Treatment of Spouses and Children.--

    ``(1) ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall--

    ``(A) adjust the status to that of a lawful permanent resident under this section, or provide an immigrant visa to the spouse or child of an alien who adjusts status to that of a permanent resident under this section; or

    ``(B) adjust the status to that of a lawful permanent resident under this section for an alien who was the spouse or child of an alien who adjusts status or is eligible to adjust status to that of a permanent resident under section 245B in accordance with subsection (a), if--

    ``(i) the termination of the qualifying relationship was connected to domestic violence; and

    ``(ii) the spouse or child has been battered or subjected to extreme cruelty by the spouse or parent who adjusts status to that of a permanent resident under this section.

    ``(2) APPLICATION OF OTHER LAW.--In acting on applications filed under this subsection with respect to aliens who have been battered or subjected to extreme cruelty, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall apply the provisions of section 204(a)(1)(J) and the protections, prohibitions, and penalties under section 384 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1367).

    ``(c) Judicial Review; Confidentiality; Penalties.--Subsections (n), (o), and (p) of section 250A shall apply to this section.''.

    (b) Clerical Amendment.--The table of contents for the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 245A the following:

   ``Sec..245B..Adjustment of status of former H- 5B nonimmigrant to that of person admitted for lawful permanent residence.''.

   


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-06   23:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: scrapper2 (#48)

Thank you for revealing yourself and your hidden agenda.

Hey pal, if you want to see my "agenda", take a look at what I just found. If you didn't jump to your mistaken conclusions, and start ragging on me, I might have been more polite. I don't deal well with those that give me a hard time.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-06   23:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: FormerLurker, scrapper2, wake up (#54)

good lord, my head is spinning. i mean no offense, but it seems to me that this is minutiae at this point. one need only look at the large picture--the plan for the North American Union--this is what americans need to be made aware of. do you realize how few even know of its existence? how many politicians do you hear talking about it? any other than Ron Paul? the reason? it's because they all support it. look how many of them are CFR! and you all think writing to any of these traitors is going to do a thing? if they intended to do anything, the borders would have been secured and CLOSED years ago. no, the solution to this is not working within the 'political' system. they are the enemy of we the people. imo, our activism efforts should be educating as many people as we can. bring them here to get the information. post and send articles and google videos to your email list. make copies of DVDs as wake up does and pass them around everywhere you go and tell them about alternative media like RBN and GCN!

christine  posted on  2007-02-06   23:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: christine (#56)

Could you unban Ponchy for a day or two? We want to bend him to our will and make him do criminal acts.

Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin

Minerva  posted on  2007-02-07   0:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: christine (#56)

maybe just unnatural acts, but that might be too easy. he seems to be inclined that way already.

"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2007-02-07   0:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#56)

good lord, my head is spinning. i mean no offense, but it seems to me that this is minutiae at this point. one need only look at the large picture--the plan for the North American Union--this is what americans need to be made aware of. do you realize how few even know of its existence? how many politicians do you hear talking about it? any other than Ron Paul? the reason? it's because they all support it. look how many of them are CFR!

As it stands now, the Kennedy McCain Amnesty Bill, otherwise known as the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act, has been inserted as an amendment into the Minimum Wage bill, and has been passed by the senate I believe.

A amnesty bill is just the first step of implementing the NAU, but a critical step to the plan. Without it, things will be a bit more difficult for the NWO to advance their agenda.

These slimeballs are getting away with this because the main stream press is NOT reporting on any of it. Once exposed to the light of day, the cockroaches will scurry, but with the general population in the dark about these things, there isn't much hope.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-07   0:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Morgana le Fay (#58)

The same people who cured Ted Haggard of lusting after assholes might be able to cure Ponchy of being an asshole.

Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin

Minerva  posted on  2007-02-07   0:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Coral Snake (#52)

TOTALLY AND FOREVER OUTTA HERE!!!

Take your crap and post it someplace else. I'm classifying you now as a disruptor.

You are BANNED!!!

Goldi-Lox posted on 2007-02-06 11:12:05 ET Reply Trace

Hey BeachLoser!

ROTFLMAO

at you!


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2007-02-07   0:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Minerva (#60)

ponchy isn't much interested in self help that he can't drink.

"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2007-02-07   0:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FormerLurker (#59)

These slimeballs are getting away with this because the main stream press is NOT reporting on any of it. Once exposed to the light of day, the cockroaches will scurry, but with the general population in the dark about these things, there isn't much hope.

exactly..we need to turn them onto alternative information sources as i said above.

christine  posted on  2007-02-07   0:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: christine, former lurker (#56) (Edited)

good lord, my head is spinning. i mean no offense, but it seems to me that this is minutiae at this point. one need only look at the large picture--the plan for the North American Union--this is what americans need to be made aware of. do you realize how few even know of its existence?

The minutiae of the immigration bill is supposed to make your head spin.

People should not give the minutiae details of the bill to their next door neighbors or work colleagues or relatives.

One would only need to say that there's a "pending bill" to forgive/give amnesty to 20 Million illegal aliens and the only recompense to the US taxpayer is that the illegal would pay a one time only $1000 fine and illegals under 21 are exempt from the fine.

Then one would encourage one's circle of friends/relative/colleagues to contact their Congressmen and Senators to deep-six this bill since it does not address anchor baby laws, unpaid income taxes, border fences to keep this from happening again, and employer fines for hiring immigrants who were illegal at the time to name a few items that require remedy.

Also the pending legislation increases the total of H-1B visas for engineers from India to displace American engineers.

Giving DVD's to people is a "stretch" remedy, IMO. You need to keep the message short and sweet to get the appropriate reaction and DVD's are not that way. People are busy these days. The only ones who would sit through a DVD presentation are in the choir already.

As for the North American Security Union, I agree with Former Lurker - that's far off and it's not in the bag by any means. We need to stick to the small here and now puzzle pieces that our nation faces today.

And defeating the guest worker amnesty bill would be a major step in thwarting the implementation of the NASU.

Fyi, Canada is a parliamentary system. The PM does not have the same powers as our President. Martin/Harper can't just sign on the dotted line. The PM would need to present this NASU to his Cabinet and after that, it would need to be voted on in Parliament and then passed on to the Senate. Where it gets tricky is the Parliamentary vote especially in the case of PM Harper. He is skating on thin ice with a minority government. His days are numbered. At this stage, Harper's gov't can be brought down with a "no confidence" vote. He does not want anything controversial coming up to a vote these days. Minority gov'ts last approx. 18 months. Harper was sworn into office in February, 2006. He's got another 6 month shelf life. Jorgas and Mexico's whatever would be nuts to think that Harper is going to chance his spot as PM with a vote on any NASU bill the next 6 months. No way. And it will be Canadians who will buck the idea of a contiguous border with the USA and Mexico - believe it or not it will be the USA part that will gall Canadians. There is no chance that Canadians want to share anything more than trade with the elephant.

***Former Lurker, thank you for finding a more understandable version of the amnesty bill.***

I expect that eventually the 20 Million illegals will gain some sort of legal staus but I don't think the cart should be put before the horse - what about employer fines? or anchor baby practice? or a proper fence like what we pay for Israel to have? or what about income tax back payments? and what about the Mexocans who are waiting in the legal immigration queue, shouldn't they get into America first over the illegals and what about the Mexican oligarch families, what payment are they making to our General Treasury to pay for our educating and medicating and welfareizing their countrymen??

There are quite a few outstanding issues that need to be resolved before/if illegals can get their slates wiped clean.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-02-07   2:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker (#7)

I see you are posting over there again. What's up with that? Personally you couldn't pay me to post on that site anymore even if I could, which I can't.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-07   4:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FormerLurker (#18)

Poor BAC, he finally did himself in.

On any forum with any signifcant traffic you will find many BACs. BAC is not unique at all. I doubt BAC is poor.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-07   4:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: christine, FormerLurker, SKYDRIFTER (#63)

I'm surprised BeAChooser actually got banned from over there, he posted there for years. Maybe he will post here? Probably not though as he thinks of this place as Kookville.

Diana  posted on  2007-02-07   5:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine (#63)

Is it still okey to post about the banning of BeAChooser on this thread? (Am I on the right thread?)

I know there are more important issues but to those of us who have posted for some time and who were over there at some point it is kind of shocking, doesn't mean other things aren't important.

Diana  posted on  2007-02-07   5:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Diana (#67)

I'm surprised BeAChooser actually got banned from over there, he posted there for years. Maybe he will post here?

BAC is banned?

What a thing to have in common with a slime-ball such as he.

I'm shocked; I tell you. Shocked!

He may turn up over here - at his own peril!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-07   11:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Diana (#68)

Is it still okey to post about the banning of BeAChooser on this thread? (Am I on the right thread?)

The very purpose of this thread was to rag on BAC, even BEFORE he got himself banned at LP. Why do you ask?

More important things can be discussed on other threads. This was never intended to be a serious thread, although some took it beyond that.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-08   1:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Diana (#67)

I'm surprised BeAChooser actually got banned from over there, he posted there for years. Maybe he will post here? Probably not though as he thinks of this place as Kookville.

Me too. He seemed like a fixture there, but lately it seemed he was TRYING to get himself banned, while trying to take a few of us down with him. Seems like his handlers thought his usefullness was over, and that he would need to go out as a matyr and then later establish a new role, a new identity, a new personna, in order to become more effective.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-08   1:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: RickyJ (#66)

On any forum with any signifcant traffic you will find many BACs. BAC is not unique at all. I doubt BAC is poor.

I doubt he is poor either, it was a joke. He's uncommon as so many people have tangled with him, and remember him well after the fact.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-08   1:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: RickyJ (#65)

I see you are posting over there again. What's up with that? Personally you couldn't pay me to post on that site anymore even if I could, which I can't.

I like to put the shills in their place, and to give people some info they would otherwise never hear. There are those there that have generally only heard lies and disinfo, and I'm there to educate them.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-02-08   1:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: FormerLurker (#73)

I agree. Every thread exposes more to whats really happening. The 911 threads, just by being so long and involved, bring awareness to some that have no idea.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2007-02-08   6:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Coral Snake, MUDBOY, samcgwire, Goldi-Lox, aristeides, Fred Mertz, christine, FormerLurker, Destro, HOUNDDAWG, honway, scrapper2, SKYDRIFTER, orangedog, angle, Dakmar, BTP Holdings, Flintlock, RickyJ, Diana, BAC, ALL (#52)

Hello everyone!

In my first post here at Freedom4um, I wish to set the record straight regarding my recent banning at LibertyPost by that forum's owner.

Post #293 of the following LP thread,

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=175627&Disp=327#C327,

is where Goldi-Lox kicked me off her forum. She stated I was "disruptive" to the thread (and it's "important message").

Her banning post was a response to a post I made to samcgwire. Goldi deleted, in its entirety, the post I made to samcgwire (#235), calling my post "UNCIVIL".

Now you can decide for yourself whether I was disruptive (at least, any more so than scores of other folks have been on thousand other threads at LP).

Before you do that, however, keep in mind that she responded to a post I'd made nearly 12 hours earlier, and between that time and her post, I posted nothing further to the thread (and there were another 60 posts added by then). I'd hardly characterize that the massive disruption she claimed it to be. And my response was a response to a very hostile post directed at me. Was I supposed to be the only one at LP to just turn the other cheek? Just as I was the only one not allowed to post the word KOOK?

Furthermore, to single me out and ignore countless other examples of folks disrupting the forum in other threads says, I think, something about the consistency of Goldi's management of the forum. Many of these other cases have been pointed out to her (not just by me) and she took no action. So perhaps my banning just shows that only HER "issues" matter at LP. LP'ers take note. But that's ok. She is the owner and can do what she wants.

And a final bit of irony. Note that the assertion being made in the thread by Goldi and others apparently turned out to be more hysteria and rumor, than actual fact. I'm not saying those in Washington aren't above trying to slip something by us, but in this case it appears her concerns were a little overblown. But that's ok. She is the owner and can do what she wants.

Goldi-Lox chose to ban me ... permanently ... and without a real warning ... but that is her right as forum owner. She can do what she wants. So here I am, on Freedom4um. The same is true of this forum's owners. Should they decide I'm no longer welcome, they can ban me and I will make no effort to return. And for the record I have not posted at FR since Jim tossed me nor have I posted (or will I) at LP (unless, of course, invited to do so by Goldi). But, I do intend to give this forum's owner no legitimate cause to cancel my access. More on that later.

First, I do feel that Goldi's pulling my comment #235 and labeling it UNCIVIL is a naked effort to hide the hypocrisy of her own actions. So here are the facts regarding that deleted post (and you know how I love facts).

My post (#235) was a response to this post by samcgwire:

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228. To: BeAChooser (#218)

Quite honestly, you Quisling POS. I hope you freaking choke on yourself.

This might be my last night on LP.

Chooser, you and everyone like you will hang before this is over.

You sorry SOB. You can't cover for the treasonous bastards any longer.

The jig is up. Game over. It's time for all quislings to pay the fiddler and start to reap the whirlwind. You and your ilk have done enough damage.

samcgwire posted on 2007-02-05 21:07:36 ET Reply Trace

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To samcgwire's statement "Quite honestly, you Quisling POS. I hope you freaking choke on yourself.", I wrote (in #235) "What a civil, family oriented forum."

How can Goldi find that comment uncivil, yet not consider calling someone a "POS" and an "SOB" uncivil? Does she not know what POS and SOB stand for? Or are they okay because they are abbreviations of foul language? And she must think that a death wish is civil, too. I hardly see the logic in that. But it's her forum.

Next, in response to samcgwire's statement "This might be my last night on LP", I wrote "Why? You folks own this forum. I'm one little voice. What do you fear?"

Again, does Goldi think that's being uncivil? There's no foul language. No labels. Just the simple truth. Folks like samcgwire do seem to dominate her forum. And I was just one little voice of rationality (IMO). What did she fear?

Finally, in response to what I perceive to be a highly uncivil death threat, "Chooser, you and everyone like you will hang before this is over", I wrote "This is the sort of person you are associating yourself with, Goldi."

I see nothing uncivil in that observation, either. And it was the truth. She was associating herself with that individual. Later, she even went out of her way in the thread to tell samcgwire to not quit the forum but just take some time off and come back. And samcgwire wasn't the only problematic individual she was chummy with in that thread. In my opinion.

So here was a thread with it's very important topic (and I do think stopping illegal immigration is important) and Goldi willingly associates herself and the topic with an extremist who utters death threats and foul language at the drop of a hat, and others who I had shown (on other threads Goldi was pinged to) have a propensity for lying. I warned her in two emails after my banning that such associations are not going to get her views about this issue any favorable response from anyone who matters. Nor is allowing liars to corrupt a forum going to do that. My emails to her said quite a bit about the topic of liars. She ignores what I said at the risk of her own forum's future. But then it is her forum and I'll say no more on that matter unless asked to do so by her. I'm not holding my breath.

Now, as to my presence on THIS forum, I'd going to try something different. I will not be calling anyone any names or labels (you know ... kook, liar, 5th Columnist, anti-American). No matter what you call me or uncivility you post to me. I won't bozo you (don't believe in that). I'm simply going to turn the other cheek. And we will see who comes out looking the worse in the long run.

I'm also not going to engage in long debates, taking apart posts line by line. But I will be posting linked sources that will allow any open minded visitor to FD4UM to see that a claim made by a poster or a claim made in an article is false. They can draw their own conclusion from that.

One last comment. I appreciate this forum's owners giving me the opportunity to join, despite our past differences. I sure this will be interesting.

Now let the games begin ...

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-10   16:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: BeAChooser (#75)

Great piles of spaghetti, bad vibes like confetti in Italy
We go by train and not by plane
We'd come home by car if it wasn't too far
To drive home by car

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-02-10   16:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: BeAChooser (#75)

Now, as to my presence on THIS forum, I'd going to try something different. I will not be calling anyone any names or labels (you know ... kook, liar, 5th Columnist, anti-American). No matter what you call me or uncivility you post to me. I won't bozo you (don't believe in that). I'm simply going to turn the other cheek. And we will see who comes out looking the worse in the long run.

I'm also not going to engage in long debates, taking apart posts line by line. But I will be posting linked sources that will allow any open minded visitor to FD4UM to see that a claim made by a poster or a claim made in an article is false. They can draw their own conclusion from that.

One last comment. I appreciate this forum's owners giving me the opportunity to join, despite our past differences. I sure this will be interesting.

i'm sure. ;)

welcome, BeAChooser.

christine  posted on  2007-02-10   16:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: BeAChooser (#75)

Are you going to replace Ponchy as the site Kook?

Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin

Minerva  posted on  2007-02-10   16:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Minerva (#78)

blue ink causes cancer

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-02-10   17:01:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FormerLurker, scrapper 2 (#55)

Its confusing because the bill in question is from may 2005, for the secure and orderly whatever. And formerlurker has amendments for a house bill.

STicking on amendment to other chambers bills will result in conference committees because the bills must pass in exact matching form before presenting to the liar in chief.

I started doing a further check when at Thomas I did a sponsor search for mccain and came up with this:

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S.RES.70 : A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the Commander of Multinational Forces-Iraq and all United States personnel under his command should receive from Congress the full support necessary to carry out the United States mission in Iraq. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 2/5/2007) Cosponsors (9) Committees: Senate Foreign Relations Latest Major Action: 2/5/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. S.83 : A bill to provide increased rail transportation security. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (3) Committees: Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.

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3. S.84 : A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (2) Committees: Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.

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4. S.85 : A bill to amend the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 to clarify that territories and Indian tribes are eligible to receive grants for confronting the use of methamphetamine. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (13) Committees: Senate Judiciary Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

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5. S.86 : A bill to designate segments of Fossil Creek, a tributary to the Verde River in the State of Arizona, as wild and scenic rivers. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (1) Committees: Senate Energy and Natural Resources Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.

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6. S.166 : A bill to restrict any State from imposing a new discriminatory tax on cell phone services. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (6) Committees: Senate Finance Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

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7. S.192 : A bill providing greater transparency with respect to lobbying activities, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (3) Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

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8. S.327 : A bill to authorize the Secretary of the Interior to conduct a special resource study of sites associated with the life of Cesar Estrada Chavez and the farm labor movement. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/17/2007) Cosponsors (1) Committees: Senate Energy and Natural Resources Latest Major Action: 1/17/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.

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9. S.463 : A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to clarify when organizations described in section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 must register as political committees, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/31/2007) Cosponsors (1) Committees: Senate Rules and Administration Latest Major Action: 1/31/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

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10. S.478 : A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to replace the Federal Election Commission with Federal Election Administration, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 2/1/2007) Cosponsors (1) Committees: Senate Rules and Administration Latest Major Action: 2/1/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

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11. S.519 : A bill to modernize and expand the reporting requirements relating to child pornography, to expand cooperation in combating child pornography, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 2/7/2007) Cosponsors (2) Committees: Senate Judiciary Latest Major Action: 2/7/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

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12. S.531 : A bill to repeal section 10(f) of Public Law 93-531, commonly known as the "Bennett Freeze". Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 2/8/2007) Cosponsors (None) Committees: Senate Indian Affairs Latest Major Action: 2/8/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Indian Affairs.

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13. S.AMDT.19 to S.1 To include a reporting requirement. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/10/2007) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/12/2007 Amendment SA 19 was incorporated into the modification of Amendment SA 4.

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14. S.AMDT.28 to S.1 To provide congressional transparency. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/11/2007) Cosponsors (2) Latest Major Action: 1/18/2007 Proposed amendment SA 28 withdrawn in Senate.

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15. S.AMDT.29 to S.1 To provide congressional transparency. Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/11/2007) Cosponsors (2) Latest Major Action: 1/18/2007 Proposed amendment SA 29 withdrawn in Senate.

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There was no 'next page' to click onto. I dunno what is going on here......

rowdee  posted on  2007-02-10   17:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: BeAChooser (#75)

There is no such thing here at 4UM as uncivil or disruptive. Free speech is as it is. Loving, hateful, racist, sexist, etc.. Say whatever you want. Just be ready to deal with the outcome.

There are a couple here that I dislike, but while I don't reply or post to them, I don't have them on bozo either. I choose not to respond, participate and separate myself from their nonsense.

I followed a couple of the long threads you were involved in. While I completely disagree with your position on the said topic, you should have never been banned, but its her site, and her rules.

Good luck here, you may be on island alone on alot of your positions.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2007-02-10   17:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Dakmar (#79)

Put me down for twenty bucks on McGwire. I think some internutter is gonna end up crying like a schoolgirl & pissin' themself.

01/31/07 Free Republic surrenders to Iran over an elecronic advertisment.
Another proud day for America!

Esso  posted on  2007-02-10   17:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: BeAChooser (#75)

Again, does Goldi think that's being uncivil? There's no foul language. No labels. Just the simple truth. Folks like samcgwire do seem to dominate her forum. And I was just one little voice of rationality (IMO). What did she fear?

. . .

I will not be calling anyone any names or labels (you know ... kook, liar, 5th Columnist, anti-American). . . . .

I'm also not going to engage in long debates, taking apart posts line by line.

ROCK! PAPER! SCISSORS!

Welcome aboard, BAC, even if it really is you . . .

leveller  posted on  2007-02-10   17:15:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: FormerLurker, scrapper2 (#80)

I just pulled this off Thomas' Bill Status page regarding HR2:

H.R.2 : To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide for an increase in the Federal minimum wage. Sponsor: Rep Miller, George [CA-7] (introduced 1/5/2007) Cosponsors (222) Committees: House Education and Labor Latest Major Action: 2/1/2007 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 94 - 3. Record Vote Number: 42.

rowdee  posted on  2007-02-10   17:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Esso (#82) (Edited)

Put me down for twenty bucks

Ok, you're a pissant, where's my $20?

Want to buy a wagon?

sometimes there just aren't enough belgians

Dakmar  posted on  2007-02-10   17:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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