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Resistance See other Resistance Articles Title: Video details mistake made by U.S. pilot who killed British soldier in friendly fire (02-06) 08:08 PST LONDON, United Kingdom (AP) -- A leaked video in which an American pilot is heard saying "I'm going to be sick," then "we're in jail, dude," after U.S. troops killed a British soldier during a friendly fire incident in Iraq was released by The Sun newspaper Tuesday. Lance Cpl. Matty Hull died when troops fired on his convoy in the southern Iraqi city of Basra on March 28, 2003. A coroner investigating Hull's death had demanded the video be released and presented as evidence in the inquest but U.S. authorities refused. The leak means that the material is now in the public domain, his office said Tuesday, suggesting it may be shown when in the inquest resumes Feb. 16. U.S. military officials conducted their own investigation but the findings have not been made public. British officials also had asked their U.S. counterparts to release the material to the family but had been rebuffed. "The main thing to stress is that we have always had a very clear view that what matters is the information should be available to the family and — whilst the Americans cannot be legally obliged to help — they should do so, bearing in mind they are our allies," said Constitutional Affairs Secretary Harriet Harman, who has had several meetings with officials in the U.S. Embassy. The Pentagon declined comment Tuesday, but the deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in London, David Johnson, told the British Broadcasting Corp. it would consider de-classifying the video if the military determined it would not put forces at risk. The defense ministry said it was unable to persuade the U.S. to declassify the footage — a recording British authorities initially claimed did not exist. The Ministry of Defense said in a statement Tuesday it had not tried to deceive Hull's family. It said the army's Board of Inquiry used a copy of the video in its investigation of the incident, but it was U.S. government property and it was not authorized to release it. The pilot can be heard in the cockpit trying to establish whether targets on the ground are coalition forces or insurgents. One man asserts that orange panels on the vehicles could mean they are coalition forces — most are equipped with bright markers to prevent such incidents. Another man is heard saying the orange markers look like rockets. "I think killing these damn rocket launchers, it would be great," a man on the recording is heard saying. Two U.S. A-10 jets allegedly opened fire on Hull's tank, which was part of five-vehicle convoy engaged in combat outside of Basra. Four other soldiers were injured, including the convoy's leader, Capt. Alexander MacEwen. The convoy — three British Scorpion tanks and two engineering vehicles — had come to a halt at the edge of a shantytown near the southern Iraqi city of Basra. The soldiers were being approached by a crowd of civilians carrying a white flag when they were attacked. The transcript printed in The Sun records the alleged exchange between the pilots after they realize what has happened. Pilot 1: "I'm going to be sick." Pilot 2: "Ah f---." Pilot 1: "Did you hear?" Pilot 2: "Yeah, this sucks." Pilot 1: "We're in jail, dude." The other pilot then weeps, according to the transcript. "There has never been any intention to deliberately deceive or mislead Lance Corporal Horse Hull's family," the defense statement said. The ministry said when army told the family the findings of its investigation, "we did inform them that some classified material had been withheld, but we did not specify its exact nature." Johnson, the U.S. embassy official, said the tape was not withheld to try to cover up the pilots' mistakes, but to avoid putting U.S. forces at risk. "If indeed it can be declassified, of course it will," Johnson told the BBC. The coroner investigating Hull's death has adjourned the inquest until Feb. 16. A U.S. Air Force official conducted its own investigation into the incident in 2003, but the results of that investigation were not publicly released, said Lt. Tony Vincelli, spokesman for the Boise, Idaho-based 190th Fighter Squadron, where the A-10 jets are based. The investigation did not result in a court-martial. Vincelli did not identify the pilots involved. It is unclear whether the video will be shown at the inquest. "It is in the public domain, there's no dispute of that is there? It's all over the television," said Geoff Webb, a coroner's court official. URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2007/02/06/international/i050804S43.DTL
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#1. To: Brian S, Indie TX, christine, Zipporah, robin, rowdee, Diana (#0)
It was shortly after the commencement of hostilities that the story about Brits ordering UNION JACKS over the net came out. If I'm not mistaken it was this unfortunate incident that prompted the Brits to display the largest flags they could get on their vehicles so WARTHOG drivers wouldn't drill them with those awesome 30 mm cannons that run the length of the airframe. The A-10 is a platform for a cannon that will penetrate the heaviest armor, (30 mm cannon and depleted uranium projectiles-an unholy union) and if caught in the open and misidentified as the enemy there is no safe place to retreat from that gun.
A lot of good a big flag will do.
All wars are fought for money. Funny! I guess I didn't make myself clear. :) I meant that the flags were supposedly displayed to help pilots identify the Brits as friendlies. I didn't mean that the flags would offer any protection from the 30mm cannon, Latin name, penetratus anythingiblus Afterthought edit: robin, the 30mm cannon is so powerful that the recoil from sustained fire can actually stall the aircraft!
I'd be curious as to whether or not the pilots were wired on officially sanctioned amphetamines, at the time. The description is eerily similar to the Afghan F-16 case of the Canadians getting clobbered. Poor bastards, all the way round.
No doubt a letter of reprimand for using language unbecoming an officer over the airwaves was stuck somewhere in some file some place in a desert community in Saudi Arabia. Another wonderful case of crime and punishment being worlds apart. And, no doubt, another case classified as 'suicide' by the damned brits.
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