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Title: Flight 77 Maneuver/Hanjour Flying Skills
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URL Source: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_C ... Forum/index.php?showtopic=3550
Published: Feb 8, 2007
Author: NK-44
Post Date: 2007-02-08 18:49:35 by honway
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Part One

Hanjour's flying skills

However, when Hanjour went on three test runs in the second week of August

He had trouble controlling and landing a single engine Cessna 172.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3550

The best compilation of evidence concerning Hani Hanjour's flying skills I have read. Subscribe to *9-11*

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#2. To: honway (#0)

An Analysis of the Flight 77 bu a Former Air Force Pilot

"Upon passing the Washington Monument, the plan may have been for the pilot to make a right turn and dive into the building. A right turn at this point would have led the airplane to hit Pentagon on the Potomac River side where the Secretary of Defense has his office.

But being unfamiliar with flying large airplanes at high speeds, the pilot wouldn't have taken into account the large radius required to make the turn. This would explain the circuitous 270 degree turn that was made to the impact point.

When he rolled out, he'd simply point the nose of the airplane at the center courtyard of the Pentagon and dive toward his target. What he wouldn't know without experience is that when you dive, you accelerate the airplane and the lift increases. This causes the nose to rise, which would cause him to overshoot the target. In a panic, he would push forward on the controls and overcompensate, which would account for eyewitness descriptions of the airplane striking the ground short of the Pentagon.

Of course, this is all speculation, not facts.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-02-08   23:12:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Furthermore, as TheStateInc believers say, if Hanjour was a good enough pilot and trained in jet simulators to carry this out, he'd know enough about how to slow a jet, i.e. spoilers, flaps, reduce power, lower the gear...same things a good Private pilot knows and ALL Commercial pilots know. To say he was good enough to carry it out, and then for someone to state what was stated in your post by that author, is to totally destroy the credibility of the entire official 9-11 story. I don't honestly know how any trained pilot could believe these jokers did what they did, nor do I see how any sane individual with a brain could believe that 3 buildings, one of which was not hit by a plane, all collapsed the SAME WAY.

IndieTX  posted on  2007-02-08   23:23:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The point of the link, which is written by a real airman who was in the FAA database with a commercial license when I checked, is the flight path of Flight 77 is consistent with a relatively inexperienced pilot putting the aircraft into situations he could not fully control.

I myself am a licensed pilot and find his explanations quite plausible. A novice pilot puts the plane into a dive, but doesn't remember to compensate for the increased lift which is caused by the increased speed. So he overshoots the target, and then has to go into a tight 270 degree turn to avoid losing the target completely.

I have been in extended arguments with other people on other sites who seem to have a lot invested in their own beliefs about this, and I am not going to repeat that here. That is just my 2 cents, and I will leave it at that.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-02-08   23:32:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

From what I can recall about the path of desent, there wasn't a "dive" into or toward the Pentagon. The controllers reported a smooth 270-330 degree circle desent that took the aircraft right above the ground and smack into the empty side of the Pentagon.

No DNA has ever been matched or linked to said hijackers.

One more question.

Your stand on 911 is what?

Kamala  posted on  2007-02-09   6:33:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

From what I can recall about the path of desent, there wasn't a "dive" into or toward the Pentagon.

The Pentagon is almost at sea level, and the aircraft was over 5,000 feet when it started its descent. That is a dive for an aircraft that large and generating that much lift.

The controllers reported a smooth 270-330 degree circle desent that took the aircraft right above the ground and smack into the empty side of the Pentagon.

From the link:

"I based the turn radius on a 275 knot airspeed, since I doubt the airplane would have sufficient power and structural integrity to fly at 500 knots at low altitude. And unless the pilot had a lot of experience flying large airplanes at high speeds low to the ground, he would have avoided making a steep bank, so I based my turn radius on a 30 degree bank angle."

AGAviator  posted on  2007-02-09   7:04:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

...That is a dive for an aircraft that large and generating that much lift....

That isn't what was reported by the actual FAA controllers, and according to your link, the flight path isn't even lined up with the Pentagon.

The path of the airliner is exactly what was intended.

So then an inexperienced pilot "overshot" the Pentagon, then took the aircraft, made a 270 degree circle, and flew it 40-60ft above the ground, and smack the empty side of the Pentagon?

Like you said, its pure speculation.

Again, your stand on 911 is what?

Kamala  posted on  2007-02-09   7:19:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

FYI This person is a 911 truth denier...exposed himself as a shill on LF in/around Nov 2005. Slunk away with his tail between his legs. Now he's posting at LP as well.

angle  posted on  2007-02-09   8:52:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

FYI This person is a 911 truth denier

Hoo boy.

My 1st Bozo.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-02-09   8:55:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#13. To: AGAviator (#12)

My 1st Bozo.

We'll see.

angle  posted on  2007-02-09 08:58:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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