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Title: American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America
Source: Crooks & Liars
URL Source: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/ ... the-war-on-america/#more-14258
Published: Feb 9, 2007
Author: Crooks & Liars
Post Date: 2007-02-09 22:23:46 by Zipporah
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American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America

By: SilentPatriot on Friday, February 9th, 2007 at 11:15 AM - PST

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colbert-americanfascist.jpg I'm sure this book (from the title alone) is going to upset alot of people (see: Jimmy Carter). That notwithstanding, in his latest controversial work, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America, author Chris Hedges examines the growing right-wing fundamentalist movement in America and argues that it resembles the early fascist, cult-like movements of Germany and Italy in the 1920's and 30's. Regardless of where you stand, this book is bound to spark some serious debate.

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American Fascists examines the movement's origins, its driving motivations and its dark ideological underpinnings. Hedges argues that the movement currently resembles the young fascist movements in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and '30s, movements that often masked the full extent of their drive for totalitarianism and were willing to make concessions until they achieved unrivaled power.

The Christian Right, like these early fascist movements, does not openly call for dictatorship, nor does it use physical violence to suppress opposition. In short, the movement is not yet revolutionary. But the ideological architecture of a Christian fascism is being cemented in place. The movement has roused its followers to a fever pitch of despair and fury. All it will take, Hedges writes, is one more national crisis on the order of September 11 for the Christian Right to make a concerted drive to destroy American democracy. The movement awaits a crisis. At that moment they will reveal themselves for what they truly are — the American heirs to fascism. Hedges issues a potent, impassioned warning. We face an imminent threat. His book reminds us of the dangers liberal, democratic societies face when they tolerate the intolerant.

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#1. To: Zipporah, all (#0) (Edited)

I am just always the skeptic. I always try to ask "who benefits/" Since the jewish Lobby has just recently begun a trashing of Christians as reported on this forum, it makes me wonder. At any rate, the folks being describes as "christian fascists" are faux christians like Pat "Lion's Paw" Robertson and his ilk. [Bush is NO christian] There are just as many ziocon jew fascists. Narrowing it down to one group makes me extremely suspicious of ulterior motives, especially when not just "anyone" can publish a book without "help" from their "friends." TheStateInc is the enemy regardless of party and persuation, even though it is primarily controlled by the Jewish Lobby and those "christians" [like Robertson] who support it. The author should be attacking our Whore politicians and CorporoFascism, not incinuating the blame lies with just one particular religious group. [There at least two here with fascist designs and they do NOT confine themselves to "TheRight!"..more disinfo...]

Food for thought only.. it sounds like an AIPAC hit book, but then again I haven't read it.

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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell

IndieTX  posted on  2007-02-09   23:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Zipporah (#0)

Wells is too sane to understand the modern world.

I halfway suspect that they smoke. I've gotten dozens of letters from people who smell cigarette smoke when they are around. If they do smoke, it is going to freak a lot of people out totally, including me. Can you imagine finally getting to go to the mothership and discovering that the place is full of cigarette smoke? That they smoke like coneheads and they don't care about cancer?

Tauzero  posted on  2007-02-09   23:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#0)

The movement has roused its followers to a fever pitch of despair and fury.

Hate and fear. One merely has to go over to FR to get a load of the "Christians" calling for wiping out the Moslems with nukes. No- no violence yet- but they certainly talk about it. These people wanted to hang the editors of the New York Times for telling us Leader was listening in on us. They talk smack all the time about hanging or killing their enemies- and their enemies are legion. The "Right" in this country is in a perpetaul state of alarm and emergency at all times. Doom is just around the corner- unless- unless- the GOP wins another election. The Liberals will take over and "surrender" to Moslems. Its preposterous but it works.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-02-09   23:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: IndieTX (#1)

aipac/jewish organizations famous saying few decades ago: we don't have enough jews to make a difference, we must recruit christians and train them to support our cause.

Max  posted on  2007-02-10   0:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#0)

Sorry to flood, but this is from 1994...and things ain't changed since then. The fascist right are often true believers, and they simply look at it as they deserve this country, and you can either agree with them or they'll kill you. As soon as they have the numbers.

Much more at

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre3.html

March/June 1994 Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence by Frederick Clarkson Part 3 No Longer Without Sheep Reconstructionism had been of interest to few outside the evangelical community until the early 1990s, when its political significance began to emerge. At the same time that the Coalition on Revival provided a catalyst (and a cover) for the discussion, dissemination, and acceptance of Reconstructionist doctrine, these ideas have percolated up through a wide swath of American Protestantism. Nowhere, however, is Reconstructionism (sometimes known as dominionism) having a more dramatic impact than in Pentecostal and charismatic churches.

Pentecostalists, best known for speaking in tongues and practicing faith healing and prophesy--known as "gifts of the spirit"--include televangelists Jimmy Swaggart and Oral Roberts. Among well-known charismatics are Pat Robertson and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Historically, Pentecostals have been apolitical for the most part. However, since 1980 much of Pentecostalism has begun to adopt aspects of Reconstructionist or dominion theology. This is not an accident.

Reconstructionists have sought to graft their theology onto the experientially oriented, and often theologically amorphous, Pentecostal and charismatic religious traditions. Following a 1987 Reconstructionist/ Pentecostal theological meeting, Joseph Morecraft exclaimed: "God is blending Presbyterian theology with charismatic zeal into a force that cannot be stopped!"

Gary North claims that "the ideas of the Reconstructionists have penetrated into Protestant circles that for the most part are unaware of the original source of the theological ideas that are beginning to transform them." North describes the "three major legs of the Reconstructionist movement" as "the Presbyterian oriented educators, the Baptist school headmasters and pastors, and the charismatic telecommunications system."

What this means is that hundreds of thousands of Pentecostals and charismatic Christians, as well as many fundamentalist Baptists, have moved out of the apolitical camp. Many have thrown themselves into political work--not merely as voters, but as ideologically driven activists, bringing a reconstructed "Biblical world view" to bear on their area of activism.

This is probably the lasting contribution of Reconstructionism. Whether it is Operation Rescue activists called to anti-abortion work because of Francis Schaeffer's books, or Pentecostals who responded to the politicizing ministry and electoral ambitions of Pat Robertson during the 1970s and 1980s, the politicization of Pentecostalism is one of the major stories of modern American politics.

Indeed, Robertson has been pivotal in this process, mobilizing Pentecostals and charismatics into politics through his books, TV programs, Regent University, the 1988 presidential campaign, and his political organizations--first the Freedom Council in the 1980s and then the Christian Coalition.

Gary North and others see opportunities for Reconstructionism to build its influence through an activist response to crises in established institutions, from the public schools to democracy itself. This "decentralist" activism is not necessarily independent or "grassroots." Political brushfires are "a fundamental tool of resistance" observes North, "but it takes a combination of centralized strategy, and local mobilization and execution." This is precisely what we are beginning to see clearly in the contemporary politics of the Christian Right. From the lawsuits brought by the Rutherford Institute and the American Center for Law and Justice to stealth takeovers of school boards, the effort is to subvert the normal functioning of society in order to make room for the growth of theocratic evangelicalism.

North sees a special role for the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) TV satellite, as the epitome of the political effectiveness of televangelists. He appreciates CBN's ability to magnify local battles, and communicate them to a national audience. "Without a means of publicizing a crisis," writes North, "few pastors would take a stand." Thus, North sees CBN as a key component in increasing the impact of decentralized "brushfire wars" in which the battles over abortion, pornography, zoning for Christian schools, etc., happen in many places at once to strain the system. Reconstructionism and the Christian Right Reconstructionism has played an important role in shaping the contemporary Christian Right, as indicated by the number of Christian Right leaders involved in COR. Reconstructionism's influence is also pronounced in another major hub of the Christian Right: the multifaceted organization of Pat Robertson. Although it denies a Reconstructionist orientation, the Robertson organization is doing exactly what Gary North describes. Robertson's Christian Coalition, for instance, follows a clearly decentralist political plan, directed and encouraged by highly centralized media, educational, and political units.

The Christian Coalition, forged from Robertson's mailing lists and his 1988 presidential campaign, has become the largest and most politically significant formation within the Religious Right. Its comprehensive, locally focused efforts to take over the Republican Party "from the bottom up" and to run "stealth candidates" for local offices have been widely reported and discussed.

Robertson himself seems to lack the long-term vision of Reconstructionist thinkers, but he is clearly driven by a short-term militant "dominion" mandate--the mandate that Christians "Christianize" the country's social and political institutions. He offers a fevered vision of power and "spiritual warfare," perhaps even physical conflict with the forces of Satan in the near future. "The world is going to be ours," he once confided, "but not without a battle, [not] without bloodshed." At a 1994 Christian Coalition national strategy conference, Robertson railed against "Satanic forces," declaring: "We are not coming up against just human beings to beat them in elections. We're going to be coming up against spiritual warfare. And if we're not aware of what we're fighting, we will lose." No longer the exclusive revolutionary vision of Christian Reconstructionist extremists, dominionism has achieved virtual hegemony over many forms of Christian fundamentalism. Historian Garry Wills sees dominionist doctrine not only in those "thorough and consistent dominionists, the followers of Rousas John Rushdoony, who are called Christian Reconstructionists," but also clearly present in Pat Robertson's book The Secret Kingdom.

Robertson works not only dominionism, but Old Testament Biblical law into his books. In The New World Order, Robertson writes that "there is no way that government can operate successfully unless led by godly men and women operating under the laws of the God of Jacob." Impatient with Robertson's public equivocations, Reconstructionist author Gary DeMar describes Robertson as an "operational Reconstructionist." Reconstructionist influences are also evident at Robertson's Regent University. For example, the longtime Dean of the Law School, Herb Titus, though not himself a Reconstructionist, has used Rushdoony's book in his introductory Law course. Texts by North and Rushdoony have been used for years in the School of Public Policy, where Reconstructionist Joseph Kickasola teaches. The library has extensive holdings of Reconstructionist literature and tapes.

Regent University board chair Dee Jepson is a longtime COR Steering Committee member. She was an active advocate for the school's change of name from Christian Broadcast Network University to Regent University, arguing that "Regent" better reflected its mission. Robertson explained that a "regent" is one who governs in the absence of a sovereign and that Regent U. trains students to rule, until Jesus, the absent sovereign, returns. Robertson says Regent U. is "a kingdom institution" for grooming "God's representatives on the face of the earth."

Dee Jepson, in addition to her membership on the COR Steering Committee, is married to former Senator Roger Jepson (R-Iowa), who signed a fundraising letter for Rushdoony's Chalcedon Foundation in 1982. The Conspiracy Factor One aspect of Reconstructionism's appeal to the Christian Right is that it provides a unifying framework for conspiracy theories. Gary North explains that: "There is one conspiracy, Satan's, and ultimately it must fail. Satan's supernatural conspiracy is the conspiracy; all other visible conspiracies are merely outworkings of this supernatural conspiracy." Pat Robertson makes a similar argument in his book The New World Order, which all new members of Robertson's Christian Coalition receive.

R. J. Rushdoony states that "The view of history as conspiracy. . .is a basic aspect of the perspective of orthodox Christianity." A conspiratorial view of history is a consistent ingredient of Christian Right ideology in the United States, and is often used to explain the failure of conservative Christian denominations with millennial ambitions to achieve or sustain political power. The blame for this is most often assigned to the Masons, particularly an 18th-century Masonic group called the Illuminati, and, ultimately, to Satan.

Panicked Congregationalist clergy, faced with disestablishment of state churches (and thus their political power) in the 18th and 19th centuries, fanned the flames of anti-Masonic hatred with conspiracy theories. Pat Robertson claims Masonic conspiracies are out to destroy Christianity and thwart Christian rule. Throughout The New

World Order Robertson refers to freemasonry as a Satanic conspiracy, along with the New Age movement. The distortion of reality that can follow from such views is well represented by Robertson's assertion that former Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush are unwitting agents of Satan because they supported international groups of nations such as the United Nations.

Another example of Christian Right conspiracy theory is the writing of Dr. Stanley Monteith, a California activist who is a member of the Christian Coalition and the Coalition on Revival. He is a leading antigay spokesperson for the Christian Right. In his book, AIDS, The Unnecessary Epidemic: America Under Siege,

Monteith argues that AIDS is the result of a conspiracy of gays, humanists, and other "sinister forces which work behind the scenes attempting to destroy our society."

Monteith's book is published by a self-described Reconstructionist, Dalmar D. Dennis (who is also a member of the National Council of the John Birch Society). Monteith's actions underscore his words. At a conference of the anti-abortion group Human Life International, Dr. Monteith, who insists he is not anti-Semitic, shared a literature table with a purveyor of crude anti-Semitic books, as well as books claiming to expose the Masonic conspiracy. The Wrath of Morecraft If the Christian Right ever came to power, it's anyone's guess what would actually occur. But it may be instructive to examine what has happened as theocratically informed factions advance locally. In Cobb County, Georgia, for example, where the powerful County Commission is controlled by the Christian Right, homosexuality has been banned, arts funding cut off, and abortion services through the county public employee health plan banned. These actions by the Cobb County Commission made national news in 1993. Rev. Joseph Morecraft, whose very energetic and politically active

Reconstructionist Chalcedon Presbyterian Church draws most members from Marietta, Georgia, the Cobb County seat, provided a clear Reconstructionist view of these events. Asked at the time where he saw Biblical law advancing, he cited "the county where I live," where "they passed a law. . .that homosexuals are not welcome in that county, because homosexuality was against the community standards. The next week," he continued, "they voted on whether or not they should use tax money of the county to support art--immoral, pornographic art, so they make the announcement, not only are we not going to use tax monies in this county to sponsor pornographic art, we're not going to use tax money to sponsor any art, because that's not the role of civil government. And last week," he concluded, "[they voted] that no tax money in Cobb County will be spent on abortions."

Such views pale before Morecraft's deeper views of life and government. In his book, and especially when speaking at the 1993 Biblical World View and Christian Education Conference, Morecraft discussed with relish the police power of the state. His belief in the persecution of nonbelievers and those who are insufficiently orthodox is crystal clear. Morecraft described democracy as "mob rule," and stated that the purpose of "civil government" is to "terrorize evil doers. . . to be an avenger!" he shouted, "To bring down the wrath of God to bear on all those who practice evil!"

"And how do you terrorize an evil doer?" he asked. "You enforce Biblical law!" The purpose of government, he said, is "to protect the church of Jesus Christ," and, "Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol!" "There ain't no such thing" as religious pluralism, he declared. Further, "There has never been such a condition in the history of mankind. There is no such place now. There never will be." Transcendent Acts

Meanwhile, perhaps the most significant accomplishment of the Reconstructionist movement has been the forging of an ideological pole (and an accompanying political strategy) in American politics, a pole by which the Christian Right will continue to measure itself. Some embrace it completely; others reject it. As recently as the early 1990s, most evangelicals viewed Reconstructionists as a band of theological misfits without a following. All that has changed, along with the numbers and character of the Christian Right. The world of evangelicalism and, arguably, American politics generally will not be the same.

Among those Reconstructionists who have already moved into positions of significant power and influence are

two directors of R. J. Rushdoony's Chalcedon Foundation; philanthropist Howard Ahmanson and political consultant Wayne C. Johnson, epitomize the political strategy of the new Christian Right.

Heir to a large fortune, Howard Ahmanson is an important California power broker who has said, "My purpose is total integration of Biblical law into our lives." He bankrolls Christian Right groups and political campaigns, largely through an unincorporated entity called the Fieldstead Company, which has, for example, been a major contributor to Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation. Fieldstead has also co-published, with Crossway

Books, a series of Reconstructionist-oriented books called Turning Point: Christian Worldview Series, which is widely available in Christian bookstores.

Ahmanson and his wife have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting California political candidates, as well as supporting the 1993 California school voucher initiative and the 1992 voucher initiative in Colorado. He has also teamed up with a small group of conservative businessmen, notably Rob Hurtt of Container Supply Corporation, to form a series of political action committees. The direct donations from these PACs and the personal contributions of Ahmanson and Hurtt, coupled with those of other PACs to which the group substantially contributed, amounted to nearly $3 million to 19 right-wing candidates for the California State Senate and various other conservative causes in 1992. A dozen candidates backed by the Christian Right won. Ahmanson himself is a member of the GOP state central committee, along with many other Christian Rightists, who have gained power by systematically taking over California GOP county committees.

A political operative named Wayne Johnson, who had been an architect of California's 1990 term limits initiative, managed the campaigns of several Ahmanson-backed candidates in 1992. The practical impact of term limits is to remove the advantage of incumbency (both Democratic and Republican) which the extreme Christian Right is prepared to exploit, having created a disciplined voting bloc and the resources to finance candidates.

At a Reconstructionist conference in 1983, Johnson outlined an early version of the strategy we see operating in California today. According to Johnson, the principal factor in determining victory in California state legislative races is incumbency, by a factor of 35 to 1. The legislature at the time was dominated by Democrats (and

Republicans unacceptable to conservatives). The key for the Christian Right was to be able to: 1) remove or minimize the advantage of incumbency, and 2) create a disciplined voting bloc from which to run candidates in Republican primaries, where voter turn out was low and scarce resources could be put to maximum effect. Since the early 1990s, Christian Rightists have been able to do both. Thanks to Ahmanson, Hurtt, and others, they also now have the financing to be competitive. Since the mid-1970s, the extreme Christian Right, under the tutelage of then-State Senator H. L Richardson, targeted open seats and would finance only challengers, not incumbents. By 1983, they were able to increase the number of what Johnson called "reasonably decent guys" in the legislature from four to 27. At the Third Annual Northwest Conference for Reconstruction in 1983, Johnson stated that he believed they may achieve "political hegemony. . .in this generation." In 1994, they were not far from that goal. Rob Hurtt won a 1993 open seat by election for State Senate. In 1994, State Senator Hurtt was also the chairman of the Republican campaign committee for the State Legislature, an important power brokering role for a freshman State Senator. The GOP, led by conservative Christians, was only four seats away from majority control in 1994. A Whole Generation of Gary Norths Still, it is in the next generation that most Reconstructionists hope to seize the future. "All long-term social change," declares Gary North, "comes from the successful efforts of one or another struggling organizations to capture the minds of a hard core of future leaders, as well as the respect of a wider population." The key to this, they believe, lies with the Christian school and the home schooling movement, both deeply influenced by Reconstructionism.

Unsurprisingly, Reconstructionists seek to abolish public schools, which they see as a critical component in the promotion of a secular world view. It is this secular world view with which they declare themselves to be at war. "Until the vast majority of Christians pull their children out of the public schools," writes Gary North, "there will be no possibility of creating a theocratic republic."

Among the top Reconstructionists in education politics is Robert Thoburn of Fairfax Christian School in Fairfax, Virginia. Thoburn advocates that Christians run for school board, while keeping their own children out of public schools. "Your goal" (once on the board), he declares, "must be to sink the ship." While not every conservative Christian who runs for school board shares this goal, those who do will, as Thoburn advises, probably keep it to themselves. Thoburn's book, The Children Trap, is a widely used sourcebook for Christian Right attacks on public education.

Joseph Morecraft, who also runs a school, said in 1987: "I believe the children in the Christian schools of America are the Army that is going to take the future. Right now. . .the Christian Reconstruction movement is made up of a few preachers, teachers, writers, scholars, publishing houses, editors of magazines, and it's growing quickly. But I expect a massive acceleration of this movement in about 25 or 30 years, when those kids that are now in Christian schools have graduated and taken their places in American society, and moved into places of influence and power."

Similarly, the Christian "home schooling" movement is part of the longterm revolutionary strategy of Reconstructionism. One of the principal home schooling curricula is provided by Reconstructionist Paul Lindstrom of Christian Liberty Academy (CLA) in Arlington Heights, Illinois. CLA claims that it serves about 20,000 families. Its 1994 curriculum included a book on "Biblical Economics" by Gary North. Home schooling advocate Christopher Klicka, who has been deeply influenced by R. J. Rushdoony, writes: "Sending our children to the public school violates nearly every Biblical principle. . . .It is tantamount to sending our children to be trained by the enemy." He claims that the public schools are Satan's choice. Klicka also advocates religious selfsegregation and advises Christians not to affiliate with non-Christian home schoolers in any way. "The differences I am talking about," declares Klicka, "have resulted in wars and martyrdom in the not too distant past." According to Klicka, who is an attorney with the Home School Legal Defense Association, "as an organization, and as individuals, we are committed to promote the cause of Christ and His Kingdom."

Estimates of the number of home schooling families vary enormously. Conservatively, there are certainly over 100,000. Klicka estimates that 85-90 percent of home schoolers are doing so "based on their religious convictions." "In effect," he concludes, "these families are operating religious schools in their homes." A fringe movement no longer, Christian home schoolers are being actively recruited by the archconservative Hillsdale College.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-02-10   0:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Max (#4)

aipac/jewish organizations famous saying few decades ago: we don't have enough jews to make a difference, we must recruit christians and train them to support our cause.

So true, we have a Christian network on our cable system and they are constantly begging for money to send to Israel.

formerly GJones.

InsideJob  posted on  2007-02-10   9:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: IndieTX (#1)

Food for thought only.. it sounds like an AIPAC hit book, but then again I haven't read it.

My local library has it on hold for me. I'm going over this afternoon to pick it up.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-02-10   10:23:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mekons4 (#5)

The Christian society they describe above is no different from what one sees in a street gang or a troop of chimps. Irrational xenophobia and hatred for all outsiders and irrational and destructive loyaty to the alpha male. And an "accept the meme or die" attitude towards all other memebers.

These Christian groups are just human society broken down to its lowest level. Just like the Republican party, the Christian leaders are building an empire by manipulating the dull, ignorant and mentally ill. With this group, they can't operate on a level higher than that of the Crips or a group of chimps.

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...  posted on  2007-02-10   11:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Zipporah (#0)

I don't know how Colbert keeps a straight face.

Those who make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities. – Voltaire

robin  posted on  2007-02-10   13:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Zipporah, IndieTX, max, ..., robin (#0)

American Fascists examines the movement's origins, its driving motivations and its dark ideological underpinnings. Hedges argues that the movement currently resembles the young fascist movements in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and '30s, movements that often masked the full extent of their drive for totalitarianism and were willing to make concessions until they achieved unrivaled power.

The Christian Right, like these early fascist movements, does not openly call for dictatorship, nor does it use physical violence to suppress opposition. In short, the movement is not yet revolutionary. But the ideological architecture of a Christian fascism is being cemented in place. The movement has roused its followers to a fever pitch of despair and fury. All it will take, Hedges writes, is one more national crisis on the order of September 11 for the Christian Right to make a concerted drive to destroy American democracy. The movement awaits a crisis. At that moment they will reveal themselves for what they truly are — the American heirs to fascism. Hedges issues a potent, impassioned warning. We face an imminent threat. His book reminds us of the dangers liberal, democratic societies face when they tolerate the intolerant.

oh puh-leeeeze. Is that you Mr. Foxman??? Got a front man or two to spew your hate now?

I just rebooted and got hung up again on one of the following. Here's what's at play. God has battled us together to hash this thing out. Rev. 20:7-10. It would be nice if the FIRE were the Word of God. [Is not my WORD like as a FIRE that hammereth the rock to pieces?" sorry I can't look it up right now. I'm struggling to get a few things on here before I reboot once again. I have looked up that version of "devoured" in the past, and it CAN be a figure of speech.] Otherwise it could get quite bloody [Ezekiel 38-39...God willing, their choice...we win.]

LET'S RETURN TO REALITY FOR A MOMENT, AND RECAP THE TRUTH:

Religion in America’s Public Square: Are We Crossing the Line? Make no mistake: We are facing an emerging Christian Right leadership that intends to “Christianize” all aspects of American life, from the halls of ... http://www.adl.org/Religious_Freedo m/ religion_public_square.asp

Jews and the Christian right: Is the honeymoon over? - SalonTo Christianize America. To save us!" Among the major players in this campaign, ... by Abe Foxman and Eric Yoffie on the dangers of the religious right, ... http://www .salon.com/news/feature/2005/11/29/foxman/index.html

FrontPage http://magazine.com :: Foxman Uncovers Conspiracy to ...Their goal is to implement their Christian worldview. To Christianize America. To save us!” Foxman went on to explain that the ominous agenda of the ... http://www. frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20234

Jews and the Christian right: Is the honeymoon over? - SalonAs Foxman said in his speech, "Make no mistake: We are facing an emerging Christian right leadership that intends to 'Christianize' all aspects of American ... http://dir.salon.com/story/news/ feature/ 2005/11/29/foxman/index.html?pn=2

Jerusalem Post | Breaking News from Israel, the Middle East and ...Abe Foxman: Humor definitely can play a useful role in exposing hypocrisy ... separation and against efforts to Christianize America because these matters ... http://info.jpost.com /C004/QandA/qa.foxman.ans.html

American Thinker: Megalomania in the Liberal Jewish EstablishmentOne reason that Abe Foxman did not find any time to suggest he had a problem with Yoffie's assault on the Christian right, was that he was launching his own ... http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/megalomania_in_the_liberal_jew.html

Foxman vs. religious right, Round 2 - Haaretz - Israel NewsTheir goal is to implement their Christian worldview. To Christianize ... And Foxman is right - he is not attacking "American Christianity as a whole. ... http:/ /www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=643063& contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSu...

Foxman, ADL Urge Stronger Stand Against Christian RightTo Christianize America. To save us!” Foxman said the conservative effort was “not ... This is the one issue which many in the Christian Right also raise: ... http://atheism.about.com/b/a/2202 13.htm

Falwell fighting for holy holiday / He'll sue, boycott groups he ...... such as the Anti-Defamation League, whose national director, Abe Foxman, recently bemoaned the religious right's efforts to "Christianize" America. ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi- bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/20/MNGVDFRH081.DTL

"Christian Right Leader Warns Foxman on Israel - http://Forward.com "Christian Right Leader Warns Foxman on Israel. Jennifer Siegel | Fri. ... Foxman condemned what he called a campaign “to Christianize America” in a November ... http://www.forward.com/articles/ christian-right-leader-warns-foxman-on-israel/

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Cat's out of the bag, Foxman, the world now knows who the REAL Fascists are:

Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L Dean of Nitra Yeshiva TEN QUESTIONS TO THE ZIONISTS. 1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would ... http://www. jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/weissmandl.cfm

The War Within Judaism - Ten Questions To The Zionists Ten Questions To The Zionists By Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L ... as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions. ... http://www.rense.com/general26 /ziontst.htm

[same article, I think]

Is Bush a Jew ??? / Are Jews the REAL NAZI's ???

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/08-09- 04/discussion.cgi.33.html

Do a search. Bush is the descendant of Separatists who came over on the Mayflower. A PHARISEE is a RELIGIOUS SEPARATIST, by definition.

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WHO pulled off 9/11??? WHO did it benefit? Did it benefit Christians, with the increasing attacks on Christmas, and our God-given duty to speak out against war, homosexuality, the murder of the unborn, etc. etc.? Or did it benefit someone else? WHO are all our tax dollars being directed toward if not ISRAEL and her thirst for blood, guts, and power in the Middle East and the whole world? In THEIR OWN WORDS:

".....Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform. ... law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law. — Committee for Israeli Victory]........"

http://www.cephas- http://library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

Gen 9:8 ¶ And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

Gen 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

Gen 9:10 And with every living creature that [is] with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

Gen 9/11 And I will establish my covenant with you;.........

"....our sages - throughout the ages have explained the Torah, telling us that everything that happens in the world is for the benefit of the Jewish People.

Simply put another way, if all the world is a stage, then the Jews - and especially those in the Land of Israel - are the lead actors on the stage of history, and the goyim - the nations, i.e. the gentiles - have supporting roles, while the evil-doers are props and background scenery. As our tradition states, G-D - the great playwright - created the world for the sake of the Jewish People, and it is our responsibility to implement the Torah - absolute morality and the blueprint of creation - in it......"

http://americandefenseleagu e.com/warforus.htm

"We killed Jesus, and we're proud of it!" say Jews.

Where's the uproar? What if we said we killed Jews, and we're proud of it. Only then would the Jew-owned media raise their ugly head.

"Israel, US Sign Homeland Security Pact....."a breakthrough signing of an understandings agreement [with the US] for the war on terror and establishing cooperation between the Internal Security Ministry and the Department of Homeland Security."...."

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=45381&Disp=10

Who's seeking to stifle whom here???

Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. ... as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on June 20, 2000, ... http://www.revisionist history.org/talmudtruth.html

America's New Government Church The Talmud classifies Christians as idolaters, and the Noahide regulations require ... and inform him that he is obligated with the death penalty for this … ... http://www.come- and-hear.com/editor/america_1.html See MERRY CHRISTMAS AND OFF WITH YOUR HEAD! for more on the perpetrators of 911, that crisis that brought Judeo- Fascism to Amaerica, not to mention the Middle East and the rest of the world.

http://Lebanonburning.com - America under the Talmud - The Truth About ...When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. ... Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be ... http://www.lebanonburning.com/ guppy/articles.php?lng=en&pg=198

changing_guard And now, so-called Christians are rejecting the Word, Jesus and rushing to the ... who violates one of his seven laws incurs the death penalty in all cases) ... http://www.samliquidatio n.com/changing_guard.htm

ChabadSatan including the death penalty for those who kill, administered only if there ... as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on June 20, 2000, ... http://www.samliquidation.c om/chabadsatan.htm

Holocaust Now: Who decides what is hate and what isn't?"...according to the known Jewish ruling that Christians are idol worshippers." (Likkutei Sichos 37:198) A gentile...is liable for the death penalty...if he ... http://holocaustnow.blogspot.com/2005/10/who-decides-what-is- hate-and-what-isnt.html

The National Prayer Network's Homepage Ted Pike and Jeff Rense discuss how to defeat the federal hate bill, ... Hate crimes laws may make you a lawbreaker! Such laws, while claiming to promote ... http://www.truthtellers.org/

NPN's Books and Videos Ted Pike's monumental new video documents the whole story of conspiracy by Israel's ... Hate Laws: Making Criminals of Christians. "Anti-hate," hate crimes ... http://www.truthtellers.org/bo okvideo.html

ADL's New 'Hate Bill' The Death Knell For Talk RadioT he best way to do that is to read the articles against hate laws at http://www.truthtellers.org and purchase online Rev. Ted Pike's gripping video documentary, ... http://w ww.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/300605hatebill.htm

The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD » Rev. Ted ...Ted Pike against hate laws. Jeff Rense will also interview Ted Pike at http://www.gcnlive.com, Wednesday, November 22 at 9:00 p.m. PST, and a week later on ... http://www.davidduke.com/general/rev-ted-pike-discusses- defeating-the-adls-latest-hate- bill-in-congress_1465.html

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We face an imminent threat. His book reminds us of the dangers liberal, democratic societies face when they tolerate the intolerant.

typing.....

Isaiah 32:1 BEHOLD, a king [JESUS CHRIST in case you were wondering] shall reign in righteousness, and prines shall rule in judgment.....

5 THE VILE PERSON SHALL BE NO MORE CALLED LIBERAL, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

FOR THE VILE PERSON WILL SPEAK VILLANY, AND HIS HEART WILL WORK INIQUITY, PRACTISE HYPOCRISY, AND TO UTTER ERROR AGAINST THE LORD, TO MAKE EMPTY THE SOUL OF THE HUNGRY, AND HE WILL CAUSE THE DRINK OF THE THIRSTY TO FAIL.......

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aipac/jewish organizations famous saying few decades ago: we don't have enough jews to make a difference, we must recruit christians and train them to support our cause.

Speeches delivered at the B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris explain Luther's changed attitude toward "Jews":

"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come . . . And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated to our future King of the World . . . We have founded many secret associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders and our direction. We have made it an honor, a great honor, for the Gentiles to join us in our organizations (such as Masonry), which are, thanks to our gold, flourishing now more than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those Gentiles who betray their own and most precious interests, by joining us in our plot, should never know that those associations are of our creation, and that they serve our purpose. One of the many triumphs of our Freemasonry is that those Gentiles who become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are using them to build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect the throne of our Universal King of the Jews; and should never know that we are commanding them to forge the chains of their own servility to our future King of the World . . . We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.' Unfortunately, not all among the 'convert' Jews have proved faithful to their mission. Many of them have even betrayed us! But, on the other hand, others have kept their promise and honored their word. Thus the counsel of our Elders has proved successful. We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation!

Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation. Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us. . . (Phillip II, by William Thomas Walsh, p. 248: 'The origin of Calvin' (whose real name was Chauvin). See also: Lucin Wolf, in Transactions, Jewish Historical Society of England, Vol. XI, p. 8; Goris, Les Colonies Marchandes Meridionales à Anvers; Lea, History of the Inquisition of Spain, III, 413).

Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive . . . We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; ***** let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. ******** Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; ****** otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. ******* Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . ****** And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). luther.htm

- ADDENDUM TO MARTIN LUTHER ON THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES [excerpts]

http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm

also look up the psychological term "PROJECTION".

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Psalm 2 WHY DO THE HEATHEN RAGE, AND IMAGINE A VAIN THING.......YET HAVE I SET MY KING UPON MY HOLY HILL OF ZION:

THE CROSS, CAPE HENRY, 1607:

http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html

AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST HIS CHURCH!

This is the end of the road for all the lies, murder, and evil of Satan's kids.

Revelation 2:9;3/9....their only hope is to repent and accept Christ...Isaiah 53:10.

thank you.

You KNOW I couldn't let that putrid piece of crap stand without saying something.

Jewish Anti-Christianity Intensifies as Christians Ignore It

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6004

And for those of you who are freaked out about Christian rule, you don't understand unJudaized Christianity:

I can't find the verse right now, but it goes something like this, I think [someone help me out here, please]: He who would be great among you, let him be your servant.

If you're doing things that God REALLY doesn't like, you may not have to worry about it....He may not allow you to stay in America when He comes back, anyway.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-02-11   10:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

"You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave; just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." Matthew 20:25-28

Those who make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities. – Voltaire
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

robin  posted on  2007-02-11   12:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, eoghan, all, REDPANTHER (#10) (Edited)

Come on Mr Foxman.......

THANK YOU for so eloquently pointing out what I tried to say with one line above:

IndieTX: it sounds like an AIPAC [Jewish Lobby] hit book,

The fascists now have a new Sanhedrin. Ain't it grand? Maybe they'll find another Messiah to kill. But before we can know that, we'll have to ask, "But will it be good for the Jews?" [I know. I'm so mean.] [Credit to E's tagline ;)]

Asbestos suit now "on." LOL.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition




In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell

IndieTX  posted on  2007-02-11   13:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin (#11)

"You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave; just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." Matthew 20:25-28

Thank you! for supplying the verse robin. Wouldn't it be peace on earth if we all abided by that one, based on the Royal Law of Scripture.....Love thy neighbor as thyself.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-02-12   9:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: IndieTX (#12)

I don't know about eloquent...long-winded maybe, but I think sometimes it just needs to be said, blow by blow, again and again, so people understand. Kind of like Jewish brainwashing in reverse.

The fascists now have a new Sanhedrin. Ain't it grand? Maybe they'll find another Messiah to kill.

I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think God is going to let it get that far. I think the only reason He let them build their last temple, was because He knew they'd reject the Messiah, and so that He could make a statement by destroying it. Now most of the world is awake to their lies, and the American people are slowly but surely getting there, although most, I'd venture to say, don't know about the rebuilt Sanhedrin. THAT might make them stop and think for a minute or two, and then they might remember that it was foretold many would be deceived, and then figure out who the REAL enemy is. When they figure out they have been betrayed, there may be hell to pay. What good is the temple if there's nobody left to fill it :) OTH, the Jews might be delusional enough to think they can get away with it. If I were them, however, I'd be trying to make peace with Christians, instead of irritating them at every turn. Oh yeah, and expose those wolves they've planted in the church to make it look bad.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-02-12   10:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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