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Title: WTC 7: Silverstein's "Pull It" Explanation Examined
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WTC 7: Silverstein's "Pull It" Explanation Examined On September 9, 2005, Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Silverstein Properties, issued the following statement on this issue: Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building. ... In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building. Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building. [US Department of State] There is a problem with the above statement, namely there were no firefighters in WTC 7: "No manual firefighting actions were taken by FDNY." [Fema Report] "There was no firefighting in WTC 7." [Popular Mechanics] "By 11:30 a.m., the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from [WTC 7] for safety reasons." [New York Times] Let's have a look at Silverstein's full statement: "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." WMV video download (490kB) In summary, the fire department commander said the fire could not be contained, Silverstein said "the smartest thing to do is pull it", and the fire department made the decision to pull. "Pull" is a term used in building demolition... "We're getting ready to pull Building 6" ... "We had to be very careful how we demolished Building 6..." WMV video download (564kB) ...but the US Department of State contends that Silverstein's "pull it" statement refers to withdrawing firefighters from WTC 7. If this was the case then firefighters should have received a message which said something like "World Trade 7 is unsafe. Abandon the building and withdraw from the area." Okay, let's have a look at the language used by firefighters withdrawing from the area of WTC 7: "It's blowin' boy." ... "Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down soon." ... "The building is about to blow up, move it back." ... "Here we are walking back. There's a building, about to blow up..." WMV video download (1 MB) The above indicates the message received by the firefighters was "We are going to demolish 7 World Trade. Clear the area." INDRA SINGH EMT: "...by noon or one o'clock they told us we need to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or be brought down." HOST: "Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?" SINGH: "The fire department. And they did use the words 'we're gonna have to bring it down' and for us there observing the nature of the devastation it made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility..." [Prison Planet] It has also been stated that a 20 second radio countdown preceded the collapse of WTC 7. The statement by Silverstein Properties and the US Department of State also contends there were no deaths in WTC 7 because "pull it" was an evacuation order. This is factually incorrect: Speakers for voice evacuation announcements were located throughout the building and were activated manually at the Fire Control Center (FCC) [WTC 7 Report] It would be impossible to miss an evacuation order. "...I'm on top of building 7 just pulling out rubbish. Pulled out a Port Authority cop at about 11 o'clock in the morning..." WMV video download (597kB) "When 7 World Trade Center came down on Sept. 11, an agent on loan from Washington, special officer Craig Miller, perished..." [PDF download (link expired)] "The Secret Service New York Field Office was located in 7 World Trade Center ... Master Special Officer Craig Miller, died during the rescue efforts." [PDF download] The death of Master Special Officer Craig Miller is another inconsistency in the official explanation of Silverstein's "pull it" comment. Why aren't the numerous inconsistencies questioned by the mainstream media? See also: Larry Silverstein, WTC 7, and the 9/11 Demolition The 9/11 WTC Collapses: An Audio-Video Analysis What Really Happened Email This Page To A Friend
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#215. To: RickyJ (#213)
I am not surprised you know how to mis-use the term troll and accuse those you want to shut down debate with as trolls - you must have a lot of practice.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
and you know the truth because you know god? That is the terminology of a fanatic - a dogmatist really - not a journeyman for truth who has to leave open the possibility he may be wrong if he is to be objective.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Seeing as they don't get a paycheck from the USG one way or another, then their opinions don't count. Matter of fact they do not exist. Them from the old Europe, Rummy says don't matter no more.
If it is that obvious, how come hundreds of other structural engineers and demolition experts out of the tens of thousands world wide haven't spoken up too? Being 100% sure doesn't mean he was right. It just might mean he was getting old. And what about Jowenko, Ricky? He was 100% sure that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were not controlled demolitions. You accept that?
I said as God know it, not in terms of my being on par with God. There's a radical difference, obviously.
SALT LAKE CITY, United States (AFP) - The refugee community in Salt Lake City has expressed its shock after this week's shopping mall shooting spree by a Bosnian teenager that left five people dead. Proud new immigrants.
fair enough. But I do see dogmatism from tour side of the argument - Because I do consider the govts actions on that day suspicious enough to be suspect and thus I am open to the possibility of demolition charges being at play on 9/11 but I don't find the arguments compelling. There are plenty of non American engineers/architects etc who are not subject to American govt sanction around the world with access to high powered computers to run simulations and not one such group as come to the defense of the '9/11truth movement' to back up their claims.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
The 9/11 hijackers were Muslims who were veterans of the Bosnian Muslim army - a fact hidden from the American people until much later because America trained the Bosnian Muslims and supplied them with arms and jihadists.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
And rays from Edison NJ have made me the Keeper of all Knowledge.
do you know alwaysontheright? he is an obsessed kook too. he hangs out over on
aka stone's forum. you should look him up.
"And this is the end of my brilliant career on the 4um..." -- ponchy 12/20/2006
If you don't even see the significance of the post 9-11 bin Laden family preferential treatment over all other Americans, add the 'handy' NORAD stand down; then you and BAC are of the same cut of cloth! A bunch of you guys showed up about the same time. Does this signal the Iran operation as a sure thing?? Are you guys "...in place?" How many more can we expect?
You mean like your constant rants about Bosnia/Serbia?
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
No, because I don't mention them in forums not related to the topic.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I have repeatedly stated that I consider American elements within our govt to be directly or indirectly related to the events of 9/11 as guilty parties in the conspiracy. I find in incredible that after I mention this you wingnuts then accuse me of covering flak for the govt just cause I don't accept the demolitions allegations. I repeat : I have repeatedly stated that I consider American elements within our govt to be directly or indirectly related to the events of 9/11 as guilty parties in the conspiracy.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
angle: You mean like your constant rants about Bosnia/Serbia? destro: No, because I don't mention them in forums not related to the topic. Geez, this thread makes you look like a liar. Thread: View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed Post #177 by Destro "More dispositive than these speculations, however, are the very real connections between Washington and Islamic jihadists in the Balkans throughout the 1990s. The report hints at this relationship by mentioning the presence of charity fronts of bin Laden's "network" in Zagreb and Sarajevo. In fact, the U.S. government engaged in a massive covert operation to infiltrate Islamic fighters, many of them veterans of the Afghan war, into the Balkans for the purpose of undermining the Milosevic government. The "arms embargo," enforced by the U.S. military, was a cover for this activity (i.e., using military force to keep prying eyes from seeing what was going on). A key Washington fixer for the Muslim government of Bosnia was the law firm of Feith and Zell. Yes, Douglas Feith, one of the principal conspirators involved in launching the Iraq war under the banner of opposing Islamic terrorism, was a proponent of introducing Islamic terrorists into South Eastern Europe. Do the "Islamofascists" of pseudo-conservative demonology accordingly seem less like satanic enemies and more like puppets dangling from an unseen hand? Or perhaps the analogy is incorrect: more like a Frankenstein's Monster that has slipped the control of its creator.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900º C (1,500- 1,700º F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600º C (1,100º F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments). At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7. Why couldn't such dramatic reductions in the strength of the steel precipitate such total collapse events? High-rise buildings are over-engineered to have strength many times greater than would needed to survive the most extreme conditions anticipated. It may take well over a ten-fold reduction in strength to cause a structural failure. If a steel structure does experience a collapse due to extreme temperatures, the collapse tends to remain localized to the area that experienced the high temperatures. The kind of low-carbon steel used in buildings and automobiles bends rather than shatters. If part of a structure is compromised by extreme temperatures, it may bend in that region, conceivably causing a large part of the structure to sag or even topple. However, there is no example of a steel structure crumbling into many pieces because of any combination of structural damage and heating, outside of the alleged cases of the Twin Towers and Building 7. Esso
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
To the poster responsible for the steel like wet noodles position: This one (above) is for you.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
informative, clear post
In Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward's book about the Iraqi war, Plan of Attack, Lt. Gen. Tommy Franks, who was in charge of the operation, famously called Feith the "dumbest f****** guy on the planet."
The missing element of 9-11 is the time required at the necessary temperatures. As the escaping blonde in the Pulizer Prize photo showed, it wasn't that hot - at the hottest point! IMPOSSIBLE! {Eat shit, BAC!}
Bin Laden's factions were assets of the Clinton administration. Still no one asks what an "Ethnic Albanian" is - a Muslim! (The Psyops works!)
how about the unscathed hijacker passports sitting atop the rubble? :P
yes it is, but you know it will still be disputed by the usual suspects.
13 WTC security anomalies A number of strange facts fall under the heading of WTC security anomalies. Among them: • George W. Bush’s brother was a Director and his cousin was the CEO of the security firm responsible for the design of the electronic security network of the World Trade Center prior to and during 9/11; • Numerous phone threats of bombs placed WTC on high alert in weeks prior to 9/11; • Employees of WTC reported rare “power-down” alerts in days leading up to 9/11 in which power was shut down to various floors for maintenance work, rendering security controls and video cameras inoperative; many workers were seen entering and leaving the buildings; • At least one security guard at WTC reported the abrupt removal of explosive-sniffing dogs five days prior to 9/11; • John O’Neill quit his job as FBI counterterrorism expert in part because of obstruction of his investigations of al Qaeda and became head of WTC security, starting in late August 2001; he was killed three weeks later in the attacks. http://www.studyof911.com/articles/mirrored/josephfirmage/Intersecting_F acts_and _Theories_on_911.pdf
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Nearly forgot that one; thanks for the reminder!
destro: No, because I don't mention them in forums not related to the topic. Geez, this thread makes you look like a liar. Nope because 9/11 is DIRECTLY related to what the USA did or had done in the Balkans. The 9/11 cell was composed of Muslims gathered by the CIA to fight in Bosnia and Chechnya and beyond. That is the real secret about 9/11 - wake up.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
No, but they do collapse. That is why steel is fireproofed. About 50 firefighters tackled the blaze at the ESP plant in the Enigma Business Park, near Malvern, which started on Wednesday morning. The roof collapsed inside the building and flames leapt 45ft (14m) into the sky in a strong wind, Hereford and Worcester Fire and Rescue Service said. A spokesman for the fire service said the blaze had resulted in a black smoke cloud which could be seen for miles. He added: "Intense heat buckled the steel girders holding the roof." htt p://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/6105942.stm
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
And to the Bush admin before it and maybe the Bush, jr admin as well. My feeling is that Bin Laden decided to use the CIA operational plan - use jihadis financed by Saudis and Pakis to destabilize oil and gas regions so America can use that as an excuse to intervene and set up puppet regimes and secure pipeline routes. Al-Qaeda was set up (it just means 'The Base' in Arabic as in training base) by the CIA via the Saudis and Pakis to train jihadis for these CIA backed missions. The operating thesis is that Bin Laden took the play book and co-opted it for his own uses but at the same time still cooperated with American interests in some areas like in Chechnya and the Balkans while seemingly hostile to the USA. The other operating thesis 9/11 via the Balkans analysis tells us is that the USA does not want to eliminate al-Qaeda - just decapitate it and use the jihadis again under the CIA's indirect control. I use CIA as a catch all - since American black ops policy is conducted by multiple agencies some originating from State, Pentagon and White House as well as the CIA.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Pathetic non-relevant comparison. Comparable to your pathetic swill about BosnianSerbian911CellTerrorists, which has nothing to do with the demolition of WTC7. Nothing.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
If most aluminum alloys are hot enough to melt, any organic materials would already have evaporated and would not be contained within, at least in what I have witnessed on a smaller scale.
But it wouldn't have been pure aluminum, which melts at much lower temperatures than alloys which are used in the real world. Is that tricky language being used on purpose?
I admire ya'll for your tenacity in arguing with BAC, but really, what is the use? This is a guy that believes that Bush is complacent in helping to cover up the murder of Ron Brown and other Clinton crimes yet would NEVER be involved in any kind of 9/11 shennianigans. He's not a serious person and indeed is exactly what he calls everyone else....a kook! ROTFLMAO!
I find in incredible that after I mention this you wingnuts then accuse me of covering flak for the govt just cause I don't accept the demolitions allegations. You do have a right to your beliefs and you do seem sincere about them. I don't care for when you say all Americans are stupid as that is a very broad statement, but you have a right to believe what you do. I don't believe in attacking people I don't agree with, I think reasoning with them can be more effective. To just attack is hypocritical for those who believe in free speech.
I find him entertaining because it's like solving a puzzle or mystery dealing with him, as he throws tricks into his posts and it's fun sorting them out, and plus you can learn things.
for whatever reason, alot of people like to fight with the shills. i don't. in fact, i left LP because of him, badeye, and the clowns that infested the place. but hey, it does help to sharpen debate skills and it's good activity. ;)
Nearly forgot that one; thanks for the reminder! So convenient, all the names were spelled correctly in the morning newspapers.
In Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward's book about the Iraqi war, Plan of Attack, Lt. Gen. Tommy Franks, who was in charge of the operation, famously called Feith the "dumbest f****** guy on the planet."
Because your side has all t hose planes slamming into buildings built the same way to compare results - oops you don't.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Black smoke? Well then it must have been oxygen starved and not very hot. (sarcasm)
Unlike most, you have my position about Bush and Ron Brown correct, but you are not correctly stating my position in the second part. I've never suggested that Bush would never be involved in ANY kind of 9/11 shennanigan. I'm only stating on this thread that the notions of bombs in the WTC towers and no Flight 77 are nonsense as proven by the facts.
I stand corrected
Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”
Just curious. What do you think caused the bowing seen in the WTC towers before collapse? http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives.html http://www.geocities.com/representativepress/WTC1SouthFace1023.html It was never anticipated that any given floor would be impacted by a large commercial jet traveling at such a velocity that the energy of impact would be over 7 times that of the design impact. It was never anticipated that the impact would spread jet fuel that would instantenously engulf huge sections of the tower in fires that would then un-fought because they were so high up and because they didn't anticipate the plane impact would cut the water lines to the sprinkler system. They never anticipated that 20+ stories of tower would suddenly drop onto the next floor and the next and the next and the next. The reality is that no steel skyscraper on earth could withstand such extreme loads. It's unlikely that a reinforced concrete one could survive having the top 20+ floors dropped on the floor below, either. But it is the deformations that caused the problem. Not shattering. That's not true. The steel portions of the Windsor Tower in Madrid did just that.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI am not surprised you know the true meaning of being a troll. You had a lot of practice.
#216. To: SKYDRIFTER, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#214)
In my book, a troll is an intellectual predator. The ultimate/intended enemy of the truth, as God knows it.
#217. To: RickyJ (#200)
Well, there goes another one of your cherished delusions. All structural engineers do not agree with the government's theory.
#218. To: RickyJ, ALL (#212)
Actually that speaks volumes about how sure he was that it was a demolition.
I mean to put his reputation on the line like that after only seeing a few videos, which is all that exist of WTC7 collapsing, must mean that he was 100% sure that it was a demolition.
#219. To: Destro, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#216)
#220. To: Destro (#215)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070214/ts_alt_afp/uscrimerefugees_070214191205
#221. To: SKYDRIFTER, RickyJ, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, BeAChooser, AGAviator, All (#219)
#222. To: Jethro Tull (#220)
SALT LAKE CITY, United States (AFP) - The refugee community in Salt Lake City has expressed its shock after this week's shopping mall shooting spree by a Bosnian teenager that left five people dead.
#223. To: Destro (#222)
#224. To: BeAChooser (#218)
#225. To: Destro, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#221)
Dogmatism? Me? How 'bout pure patriotism; from an educated Viet Nam vet?
#226. To: Destro (#211)
True trolls for example tend to post off-topic things to distrupt the forum.
#227. To: angle (#226)
You mean like your constant rants about Bosnia/Serbia?
#228. To: SKYDRIFTER, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All 221 (#225)
you don't even see the significance of the post 9-11 bin Laden family preferential treatment over all other Americans, add the 'handy' NORAD stand down; then you and BAC are of the same cut of cloth!
#229. To: Destro, christine, kamala (#227)
destro: True trolls for example tend to post off-topic things to distrupt the forum.
#230. To: SKYDRIFTER, esso (#204)
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CREDIT: ESSO
#231. To: all (#230)
#232. To: angle, Esso (#230)
#233. To: angle, Brian S, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Diana, All (#230)
#234. To: angle, Brian S, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Diana, All (#229)
#235. To: SKYDRIFTER (#233)
As the escaping blonde in the Pulizer Prize photo showed, it wasn't that hot - at the hottest point!
#236. To: robin, angle, Esso (#232)
informative, clear post
#237. To: All (#158)
But the work required to wire a 47 story building for a controlled demolition would have had to begin some time before Sept 11, 2001
#238. To: Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#235)
how about the unscathed hijacker passports sitting atop the rubble? :P
#239. To: angle, christine, kamala (#229)
angle: You mean like your constant rants about Bosnia/Serbia?
#240. To: angle, SKYDRIFTER, esso (#230)
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Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble
#241. To: SKYDRIFTER, angle, Brian S, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Diana, All (#234)
Bin Laden's factions were assets of the Clinton administration.
#242. To: Destro (#240)
#243. To: BeAChooser, Ricky J, Red Jones (#203)
And what if the aluminum were to have other material entrained in it?
#244. To: BeAChooser, Ricky J, SKYDRIFTER (#205)
"Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers)
#245. To: Diana, All (#244)
#246. To: Destro, All (#228)
I have repeatedly stated that I consider American elements within our govt to be directly or indirectly related to the events of 9/11 as guilty parties in the conspiracy.
#247. To: Hayek Fan (#245)
#248. To: Hayek Fan, BeAChooser (#245)
#249. To: SKYDRIFTER (#238)
how about the unscathed hijacker passports sitting atop the rubble? :P
#250. To: angle (#242)
Pathetic non-relevant comparison
#251. To: Destro, angle, esso, all (#240)
A spokesman for the fire service said the blaze had resulted in a black smoke cloud which could be seen for miles.
#252. To: Hayek Fan, ALL (#245)
This is a guy that believes that Bush is complacent in helping to cover up the murder of Ron Brown and other Clinton crimes yet would NEVER be involved in any kind of 9/11 shennianigans.
#253. To: BeAChooser (#252)
I've never suggested that Bush would never be involved in ANY kind of 9/11 shennanigan. I'm only stating on this thread that the notions of bombs in the WTC towers and no Flight 77 are nonsense as proven by the facts.
#254. To: Hayek Fan (#253)
#255. To: angle, esso, ALL (#230)
In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900º C (1,500- 1,700º F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600º C (1,100º F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments).
High-rise buildings are over-engineered to have strength many times greater than would needed to survive the most extreme conditions anticipated.
The kind of low-carbon steel used in buildings and automobiles bends rather than shatters.
However, there is no example of a steel structure crumbling into many pieces because of any combination of structural damage and heating, outside of the alleged cases of the Twin Towers and Building 7.
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