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Title: WTC 7: Silverstein's "Pull It" Explanation Examined
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Published: Feb 10, 2007
Author: M Rivero
Post Date: 2007-02-10 20:28:49 by Kamala
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WTC 7: Silverstein's "Pull It" Explanation Examined On September 9, 2005, Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Silverstein Properties, issued the following statement on this issue: Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building. ... In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building. Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building. [US Department of State] There is a problem with the above statement, namely there were no firefighters in WTC 7: "No manual firefighting actions were taken by FDNY." [Fema Report] "There was no firefighting in WTC 7." [Popular Mechanics] "By 11:30 a.m., the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from [WTC 7] for safety reasons." [New York Times] Let's have a look at Silverstein's full statement: "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." WMV video download (490kB) In summary, the fire department commander said the fire could not be contained, Silverstein said "the smartest thing to do is pull it", and the fire department made the decision to pull. "Pull" is a term used in building demolition... "We're getting ready to pull Building 6" ... "We had to be very careful how we demolished Building 6..." WMV video download (564kB) ...but the US Department of State contends that Silverstein's "pull it" statement refers to withdrawing firefighters from WTC 7. If this was the case then firefighters should have received a message which said something like "World Trade 7 is unsafe. Abandon the building and withdraw from the area." Okay, let's have a look at the language used by firefighters withdrawing from the area of WTC 7: "It's blowin' boy." ... "Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down soon." ... "The building is about to blow up, move it back." ... "Here we are walking back. There's a building, about to blow up..." WMV video download (1 MB) The above indicates the message received by the firefighters was "We are going to demolish 7 World Trade. Clear the area." INDRA SINGH EMT: "...by noon or one o'clock they told us we need to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or be brought down." HOST: "Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?" SINGH: "The fire department. And they did use the words 'we're gonna have to bring it down' and for us there observing the nature of the devastation it made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility..." [Prison Planet] It has also been stated that a 20 second radio countdown preceded the collapse of WTC 7. The statement by Silverstein Properties and the US Department of State also contends there were no deaths in WTC 7 because "pull it" was an evacuation order. This is factually incorrect: Speakers for voice evacuation announcements were located throughout the building and were activated manually at the Fire Control Center (FCC) [WTC 7 Report] It would be impossible to miss an evacuation order. "...I'm on top of building 7 just pulling out rubbish. Pulled out a Port Authority cop at about 11 o'clock in the morning..." WMV video download (597kB) "When 7 World Trade Center came down on Sept. 11, an agent on loan from Washington, special officer Craig Miller, perished..." [PDF download (link expired)] "The Secret Service New York Field Office was located in 7 World Trade Center ... Master Special Officer Craig Miller, died during the rescue efforts." [PDF download] The death of Master Special Officer Craig Miller is another inconsistency in the official explanation of Silverstein's "pull it" comment. Why aren't the numerous inconsistencies questioned by the mainstream media? See also: Larry Silverstein, WTC 7, and the 9/11 Demolition The 9/11 WTC Collapses: An Audio-Video Analysis What Really Happened Email This Page To A Friend
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#11. To: BeAChooser (#5)
Sorry, there are no photos of "glowing red" structural steel. There may be "something" burning, but it isn't steel. Again, the "something" whatever that is burning, is burning around 1100-1200 degrees gas temps. This would line up perfectly with the steel temps of 480-600. According to NIST, the jet fuel was burned off in minutes and the WTC office floors were fuel poor and the fuel in a given area would burn up in around 20 minutes. The west side of WTC 2 never even had any fire or heat at all. The south tower fires were basically out in around 40 minutes. Much too short to heat any steel to any degree. NIST/FEMA engineers looked at and tested the steel from the impact/fire zones and it survived the impacts and preformed great, just as the main designers and architects said it would. The towers not only were designed for an airliner impact, but multiple impacts, at any speed and the fuel dumped involved. NIST did fire temp tests on the steel from the impact area and found physical temps of 480- 600. For structural steel to "glow red", you are talking temps of physical steel reaching 1700 and higher and then staying at those temps. Like at the Madrid fire. NIST again states that fuel was gone in minutes and it was a office fuel poor fire. The photo is taken right after impact and the fuel dump involved. There is no way steel reached that temp that fast. It takes time. Its impossible, plus there is no scientific evidence of this. NIST doesn't claim this. If you have some inside knowledge of the temps, that NIST doesn't, I think you should notify them with this breaking news!! Your photo is your comment. Its misleading and deceptive. I would like to see another photo of the same shot taken 25 minutes later. You know why that photo isn't shown? Because it would show that the fire and flames were out and gone. Like I said, deceptive and misleading. Boy, when things don't go your way, the accusations, name calling and such comes out right away. I won't waste much time on you, so don't get your panties in a bunch.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
It must be appreciated that the siding on the building was an aluminum alloy. If that remained intact at the heat exit point; how hot could it have been?
I never said anything about gas temps, structural steel, non-structural steel, or building construction. I posted a photo and said that metal was red-hot. Now you're quoting the government agencies you say are lying. Interesting. I'd like to see photo of the **thermite,** which burns white-hot and gives off a flame brighter than a welder's torch. Right, Toots. That explains your "panties in a bunch" remark below. That's why you've addressed 5 posts to me in the last 2 days. Best to look after your own panties, Toots. You're Bozo #2.
I'll admit, all the nonsense about the thermite only shows the people who believe in it know nothing about it. I made thermite as a kid. All it is a combination of aluminum dust and iron oxide - - which is rust. I set it off with a sparkler. It doesn't "pour" out of buildings. It goes whoosh, burns white-hot, burns holes through metal, and leaves no residue. I won't even address the rest of the nonsense about remote-controlled airplames and explosives at the base of the buildings.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
I warned/told you so, AGAviator. This is a webite populated by Art Bell types.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Amen.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
And it's an incendiary, not an *explosive* either. If you mix it with real explosives like RDX, 1 of 2 things will happen (2) The explosive (RDX) will detonate and splatter the incendiary (thermite) all over the place before it has a chance to do any cutting. Bozo List: (1) Angle, (2) Kamala
So nice of you to 'warn' posters about this forum.. this is a free speech forum .. your opinion is as valid as others.. believe as you will.. but I will say I certainly do not appreciate the implication here.. If you think that others are incorrect in their opinions... prove them wrong just as they're trying to do.. to dismiss people as "Art Bell types" seems to reveal that you are the one in fact that wants to control opinions by labelling .. is it that you want everyone to believe in one way or is it that you want discussion?? You cant have it both ways Destro.
You are probably right in critiquing my statement but be honest anyone who takes a contrary position on 9/11 against the 9/11 truth conspiracy is not welcome here - which is fine.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Who said youre not welcome here for disagreeing? Not Chris nor I..
I was called a disinfo agent and there was a campaign to have be shut off. Fine by me - their right.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
A campaign? A bit of an overstatement IMO..
(2) The explosive (RDX) will detonate and splatter the incendiary (thermite) all over the place before it has a chance to do any cutting. As I said, people who talk about thermite in buildings know nothing about thermite. I made it once, and never again. The stuff is extraordinarily dangerous. And you're right: it didn't explode, it just burned like crazy.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
I was mistaken.. it was of thermite but on a block of ice which exploded..here is what I saw.. Now a question.. some say the explosions were caused by thermite which I dont believe .. if in fact it was conspiracy of some type ...other than the conspiracy the gov says it is. is it possible that thermite was used to weaken the structure plus other explosives.. here is the video of the explosions
Here's a passage from the Wiki article on "Thermite reaction": Thermite reactions have many uses. Thermite was originally used for repair welding in-place thick steel sections such as locomotive axle-frames where the repair can take place without removing the part from its installed location. It can also be used for quickly cutting or welding steel such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment. Like you, I'll let people judge for themselves whether a thermite reaction (and there are different types) could have been used to quickly cut the steel in the WTC buildings. ;)
guess what i think. :P
Where have you been? You have been missing some good beatdowns!!
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Got a "cutting" remark? :P
I normally don't bother dealing with the pig-headed arrogance of the 9/11 Truth opponents. Aided by capable proponents such as you, most people are capable of seeing through the badgering and haranguing and phoney expertise touted by them. When they start getting shitty with a couple of fine ladies...that's where I draw the line.
This has been my thought on this topic.. btw thank you *
If you were not welcome, you'd be on Bozo or be banned. However, banning only occurs on LP and FRaud. But don't call me Art Bell. I may believe TheStateInc lied about 9-11, but I don't believe the aliens did it! They live under the sea and can't come up in daylight. ;) [sensitive eyes]
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell Yeah I know it becomes a giant waste of time and energy, but I've wanted to get a piece of a couple of these morons, but I wasn't going to register at some other forum. Its always good to get out some new info that just destroys the 911 fairytale. The bootlickers just stick to their tired old shtick.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
:P
Is that the expertise you consider necessary to make a judgement about the WTC tower collapse? Then why do you ignore the fact that except for one or two examples (and I'd be happy to chat about those), NO structural engineers, demolition experts, experts in steel or fire, or macro-world physicist have signed on to your demolition theory. Why do you think that is, Mark?
But not from the South Side where a huge hole in the structure was located. It was obscured by smoke from big fires. The Windsor Tower in Madrid was NOT a 24 story steel skyscraper. The core was reinforced concrete and from the 17th floor on down the frame supporting the floors was primarily reinforced concrete. And all the portions of the tower that did depend solely on a steel frame did in fact collapse. But you will not find the truth if you start your investigation with a foundation of "facts" that aren't facts.
6.5 seconds, with the elevator motor cab starting the collapse. How utterly convenient. BAC, you're returned to your usual slimy bullshit - as though you know anything else. "Get back BeOcho!"
If you want me to look at something, you will have to link me to it. I'm not interested in wading through someone's myspace account looking for whatever this is. And if it's a video that starts out by claiming the WTC towers collapsed in 10 seconds, I have to tell you that it starts out with a demonstrable falsehood. Enjoy!!! www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf
As far as I'm concerned, 911 whodunits are quite a waste of time. The events happened nearly 5 1/2 years ago, you can make a case there are certain elements who welcomed them, and instead of stopping the insanity that has resulted from it, there is this endless speculation bordering on obsession...
Bozo List: (1) Angle, (2) Kamala AGAviator posted on 2007-02-11 18:29:20 ET Physics, engineering and aviation [our specialty] aside, I wonder how TheStateInc 9-11 believers account for the mathematical statistical improbability..no, impossibility.. of 3 buildings, on fire, all with different damage profiles, all collapsing STRAIGHT DOWN, when they were designed to withstand such damage, and when none ever have before in history. Talk about winning the Progressive Jackpot. We need to take these believers to Vegas and see if some of that good Mojo rubs off on us! AGAviator: Me too, me too!!! Bozo me!! While you're at it, since these events happened so long ago, let's stop discussing history altogether. It's all irrelevant according to you. You've demonstrated your lack of intellect. And that is as politely as I can state it. In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell Yeah, but in your usual deceptive nature, you fail to tell everyone that the localized area of the collapse took 4 HOURS for it to collapse!!! It was so slow, it was like watching a slow motion car wreck on your dvd player.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Gravity.
If the (non-existent) Superevil Supergeniuses were that brilliant, they would have been able to make the WTC fall to the side and maximize all the death and destruction.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
Gravity Foolish answer. They were designed to fall sideways? They were designed not to fall at all, ChipShot. And yet another foolish comment. Your dialogue has grown tiresome. Touch my monkey. Love him! Touch him! Liebe mein shmenke! Your foolish observations will earn you Bozo until further notice. Your foolishness deserved no serious reply. Update: And...Velcome back to Sprockets from your short bozo. Dieter has missed you and seen fit to extend clemency. I think we were discussing how damaging a skyscraper...3 of them...by fire and/or impact..would not result in a symetrical fall unless symetrical damage had occurred...such as a demolition. That's called physics.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell BeOcho, Would you believe 13 seconds? What figure did the 9-11 Commission cite? The figure is still a free-fall - even if you insist that a dog is factually a misrepresented "animal," not a dog. You came here to watch people line up to call you an asshole? If you're into pain, you hit the proper address!
Why would the top 20 or 30 floors fall straight down to begin with? If the building collapsed due to weakened steel, do you seriously think all four corners of the top of the building would have fallen at the same exact time, and at the same rate of collapse, considering there were 80 to 90 stories of undamaged steel and concrete that it had to crash through? If the collapse happened as the official story describes, where the steel was weakened by fire, then the top of the building would have tipped, and would have either come to a rest at an angle, or slid off of the undamaged section of the building. Additionally, even if the floors pancaked as described by the official story, the building would not have collapsed at the same rate as if it were falling through thin air, but would have taken at least 96 seconds to collapse, as per Dr. Judy Wood, a professor of Mechanical Engineering at Clemson University. A Refutation of the Official Collapse Theory One must also take into consideration that the building turned to dust as it fell, so the available energy to break floors below was diminshed by the pulverization of the concrete and steel. Thus, the floors should not have pancaked, as there was not enough energy left over.
If you could read and comprehend it would be nice. He asked me in a prior post if I was a pilot, insinuating that is what I needed to comment on matters surrounding the Pentagon. All one needs is to have reason, deduction and conclusions based on real hard science. Not some computer models that you can tweek the sofware anyway you want to get the desired outcome. Bad data in, bad data out. Ask this question. Whats in it for the whistleblowers to step out and tell the truth? Nothing but hassles, lawsuits and heartaches, job losses. I come from a family of firefighters. In private my relatives know what happened, but in public, they would never make such claims. I did some work in the pyrotechnics industry. I still have a close friend there. We have talked privately and he KNOWS it was a demo job, but he would deny it in public on a bible. I've asked him to come forward, but he has a wife and kids, a long standing job and flat out told me, NO. I've seen some of the computer tech gear used in firework shows. This was back in 2001. He was then talking about radio controlled shows with no wires or anything was very close. He had seen demos of it at testing grounds. This was for firework shows, can you imagine what we have that we don't know? Anything can be done, the tech hard ware he saw was developed elsewhere, more than likely from the military. There are 1 1/2 million engineers in this country. Why do we keep using the same ones? The same ones with ties to govenment funded projects. The same engineers who gave us the OKC report. In any real independent investigation, there would be no ties as to taint any conclusions or research. This wasn't the case in any of 911's investigations. These government experts were involved in the BPAT/FEMA report. The Silverstein/Weidlinger report, and the NIST report. All 3 reports contradict each other. Even though the same engineers worked on them. Very strange "experts".
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Thats correct. If you look at the videos and photos, NIST wants us to believe that the building and gravity crushed itself. To this day, NIST does not explain the mechanics of the collapse. So lets take WTC 1. We are supposed to believe that 14 floors crushed the entire tower? If you look at the videos, as the building explodes, there is nothing above it but concrete dust. The debris is being ejected out and away from the tower. The steel and dust is outside the tower itself. What is crushing the tower? Air? The real kicker is, as the debris is falling, the tower explosions/collapse almost keep pace with debris falling through the air. Now, I don't subscribe to the 9 sec collapse trap. It took both towers around 15 seconds total. That still is WAY too fast for a "progressive gravity collapse". I think the average time of collapse per floor was around 1/5-1/6 of a second for the towers and 1/8 of a second for WTC 7.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
There is only one account of a giant scoop hole in the face of the south WTC 7. Why don't you ccp the account of employees being escorted right through the WTC 7 lobby by rescuers and reporting light damage and a light dust in the lobby of WTC 7. If there was this giant scoop, the damage would have been massive, and debris would have blocked the lobby and promenade of the building. The hard facts are, there is no proof of a giant scoop, and even if there was, asymmetrical damage and fire cannot result in a symmetrical collapse. I would like to see this damage/diesel hypothesis tested. Not with computers either.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
According to BAC's experts, I guess so. Now, I don't subscribe to the 9 sec collapse trap. It took both towers around 15 seconds total. That still is WAY too fast for a "progressive gravity collapse". The 9 to 11 second figures are what NIST and the 9/11 Commission stated, and correspond to the seismographal evidence, but you're right, an extra six seconds doesn't account for the breaking of 90 or so solid undamaged stories of concrete and steel.
Because, as you say, the honest ones would end up in Gitmo or harrassed to death by the SS arm [IRS] of TheStateInc, or be terminated from their positions...or worse.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - - George Orwell
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#12. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#10)
#13. To: Kamala, Brian S, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Diana, All (#12)
#14. To: Kamala (#12)
Sorry, there are no photos of "glowing red" structural steel. There may be "something" burning, but it isn't steel. Again, the "something" whatever that is burning, is burning around 1100-1200 degrees gas temps.
According to NIST...NIST/FEMA engineers looked at and tested the steel
Your photo is your comment. Its misleading and deceptive. I would like to see another photo of the same shot taken 25 minutes later.
Boy, when things don't go your way, the accusations, name calling and such comes out right away.
I won't waste much time on you
So don't get your panties in a bunch
Bozo List: (1) Angle, (2) Kamala
#15. To: AGAviator (#14)
I'd like to see photo of the **thermite,** which burns white-hot and gives off a flame brighter than a welder's torch.
#16. To: AGAviator, Kamala (#10)
(Edited)
It would have to come from somebody with enough brains to know what color flames are, and the difference between posting a photo and a comment. That rules you out.
#17. To: YertleTurtle (#15)
I'll admit, all the nonsense about the thermite only shows the people who believe in it know nothing about it.
#18. To: YertleTurtle, Destro (#15)
I made thermite as a kid...It doesn't "pour" out of buildings. It goes whoosh, burns white-hot, burns holes through metal, and leaves no residue.
(1) The incendiary (thermite) will burn up the explosive (RDX) before the explosive detonates, or
#19. To: Destro (#16)
I warned/told you so, AGAviator. This is a webite populated by Art Bell types.
#20. To: Zipporah (#19)
to dismiss people as "Art Bell types" seems to reveal that you are the one in fact that wants to control opinions by labelling .. is it that you want everyone to believe in one way or is it that you want discussion?? You cant have it both ways Destro.
#21. To: Destro (#20)
#22. To: Zipporah (#21)
Who said youre not welcome here for disagreeing? Not Chris nor I..
#23. To: Destro (#22)
#24. To: AGAviator (#18)
(1) The incendiary (thermite) will burn up the explosive (RDX) before the explosive detonates, or
#25. To: YertleTurtle (#24)
(Edited)
And you're right: it didn't explode, it just burned like crazy.
#26. To: Zipporah (#25)
#27. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#26)
Like you, I'll let people judge for themselves whether a thermite reaction (and there are different types) could have been used to quickly cut the steel in the WTC buildings.
#28. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#26)
#29. To: christine (#27)
guess what i think. :P
#30. To: Kamala, Zipporah (#28)
Where have you been? You have been missing some good beatdowns!!
#31. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#26)
It can also be used for quickly cutting or welding steel such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment.
#32. To: Destro (#20)
(Edited)
anyone who takes a contrary position on 9/11 against the 9/11 truth conspiracy is not welcome here - which is fine.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX
#33. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#30)
#34. To: IndieTX (#32)
#35. To: Kamala, Agaviator, ALL (#6)
To Agaviator - Oh, yeah, by the way, according to your Einstein train of logic from another thread, why are you quesioning or commenting on fire or structual issues? Are you fire or structual engineer or scientist?
#36. To: Horse, ALL (#9)
Instead of relying on mainstream media and the doubtful testimony of the men who covered up the crime of the century by pulling the building you can go to http://www.WTC7.net and see Tower 7 collapse from 3 different angles.
Soon after 911 a 24 story steel girdered skyscraper in Madrd burned for 36 hours without collapsing.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
#37. To: BeAChooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#36)
#38. To: WTC7 911Smoking Cannon, ALL (#11)
Ten Second Freefall
WTC 7 Building Pulled
#39. To: YertleTurtle (#24)
(Edited)
As I said, people who talk about thermite in buildings know nothing about thermite.
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#40. To: SKYDRIFTER, agaviator, beachooser, christine, all, zipporah, kamala, angle, burkeman1, ferret mike, jethro tull, skydrifter (#37)
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Let's stop discussing things that happened over 5 years ago..blah blah
As far as I'm concerned, 911 whodunits are quite a waste of time. The events happened nearly 5 1/2 years ago, you can make a case there are certain elements who welcomed them, and instead of stopping the insanity that has resulted from it, there is this endless speculation bordering on obsession...
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX
#41. To: BeAChooser (#36)
#42. To: IndieTX (#40)
(Edited)
Physics, engineering and aviation [our specialty] aside, I wonder how TheStateInc 9-11 believers account for the mathematical statistical improbability..no, impossibility.. of 3 buildings, on fire, all with different damage profiles, all collapsing STRAIGHT DOWN,
When they were designed to withstand such damage, and when none ever have before in history
They were designed to fall sideways? Bozo List: (1) Angle, (2) Kamala
#43. To: AGAviator (#42)
They were designed to fall sideways?
#44. To: AGAviator, ZIPPORAH, CHRISTINE, SKYDRIFTER, FORMERLURKER, INNIEWAY, HONWAY, ALL, KAMALA (#42)
(Edited)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX
#45. To: BeAChooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#38)
And if it's a video that starts out by claiming the WTC towers collapsed in 10 seconds, I have to tell you that it starts out with a demonstrable falsehood.
(Bozo filter is working for BAC, apparently.)
#46. To: AGAviator, IndieTX, Kamala (#42)
They were designed to fall sideways?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#47. To: BeAChooser, *9-11* (#35)
#48. To: FormerLurker (#46)
#49. To: BeAChooser, *9-11* (#36)
#50. To: Kamala (#48)
What is crushing the tower? Air?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#51. To: Kamala (#47)
There are 1 1/2 million engineers in this country. Why do we keep using the same ones? The same ones with ties to govenment funded projects. The same engineers who gave us the OKC report.
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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these - - IndieTX
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