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Title: I saw a plane's tail sticking out of the Pentagon on 911
Source: cnn, fox, msnbc
URL Source: [None]
Published: Feb 14, 2007
Author: me
Post Date: 2007-02-14 22:30:26 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 335
Comments: 34

After the crash into the Pentagon I saw this scene on TV. It lasted about one to two seconds. I have NEVER seen it again.

This was shown as the nation was "terrorized" by the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers and was apparently used to implant an image into the mind of the public.

Has anyone seen this? It is my first hand account. I don't remember what channel it was on.

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I didn't see that, but here's one thing I do remember - there was a gas station in the vicinity that had a security camera pointed in the direction of the pentagon. I heard that feds confiscated the tape within an hour of the incident and it was never seen again. the owner of the station was wishing he had watched or copied it, but didn't get a chance. as I recall, he was shocked that they showed up so quickly. I'd forgotten about that.

kiki  posted on  2007-02-14   23:05:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I heard that feds confiscated the tape within an hour of the incident and it was never seen again.

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Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-02-14   23:10:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

this is what I was remembering:

http://911review.org /Wiki/PentagonAttackVideos.shtml

Besides the infamous Pentagon Attack Cctv Video that the Pentagon at first denied it had, then gave a few frames to the McMedia, which were subsequently shown to have been tampered with, there are at least 3 other videos of what really hit the Pentagon on 9/11. The FBI are known to have seized at least 2 of them, and they have never been released to the public.

The FBI seized the video from a gas station within minutes of the attack.

(December 11, 2001) Velasquez [NEXCOM Citgo station supervisor] says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film." Richmond Times- Dispatch

But Velasquez slammed down the receiver and raced outside when he felt the gas station he supervises suddenly begin to tremble from a too-close airplane. "It was like an earthquake," the Costa Rican native said last week. What Velasquez felt above him almost within touching distance was American Airlines Flight 77 just seconds before impact. ...Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film." http://ac cessatlanta.com/ajc/terrorism/nation/0914pentagon.html

If the Pentagon Attack was unexpected, that would be amazing police work. Bill Gertz reports:

(September 21, 2001) A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation. It may be the only available video of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did not capture the crash. The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring.

There may be yet another video of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon. The trajectory of the aircraft flew in low across a cloverleaf that is under constant monitoring of the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT). The view from their camera would clearly show the trajectory of any sized aircraft.

The manufacturers of the CCTV system used by VDOT boast on their web site:

The Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) CCTV system used to manage the Northern Virginia freeway network had cameras in place that observed the September 11 crash site at the Pentagon. This CCTV system and the VDOT Smart Traffic Center were used as a command center for emergency responders and cleanup and recovery crews following the incident.

To date, these videos has never been seen by the public, and there is no logical reason for the authorities to withold it (unless of course they are trying to cover up the fact that it was an Inside Job). Public interest groups such as Citizens Watch should file a FOIA request for this material, and demand an explanation from the Kean Commission as to why they have not already been released.

kiki  posted on  2007-02-14   23:21:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Besides the infamous Pentagon Attack Cctv Video that the Pentagon at first denied it had

I don't recall them denying that they had a video. Please, cite the source for this claim. What someone writes in Wikipedia is not a source. Provide whatever this claim is actually based on, please.

which were subsequently shown to have been tampered with,

Provide the source claiming the government tampered with a video clip released by them. Let's see what proof of this they actually have.

there are at least 3 other videos of what really hit the Pentagon on 9/11. The FBI are known to have seized at least 2 of them, and they have never been released to the public.

Wikipedia needs to keep up with events. The videos have been released. They were not release because the trial of a terrorist was going on and the court ordered them not be released. And it turns out they show basically nothing. This doesn't mean they were tampered with. It means they show nothing because they didn't have sufficient resolution, lighting and frame rate to show anything. Physics ... not conspiracy.

The FBI seized the video from a gas station within minutes of the attack.

Minutes? Is that 5 minutes or 50 minutes? It makes a difference as to whether its a conspiracy or good work by the FBI.

Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact.

Except the cameras are the sort you usually find in filling stations. Poor enough quality that generally they don't even get a clear picture of a culprit standing 20 feet away. Ever seen the local news show images from such a camera that are clear? And by the way, this video has been released now.

(September 21, 2001) A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation.

Has a single one of those employees come forward to say they saw a missile or anything else other than what the facts appear to indicate happened? No? Why not? And by the way, this video has also been released now. It shows nothing. Have any of the employees come forward to announce that what has been released is any different than what saw? No? Why not?

It may be the only available video of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did not capture the crash. The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring.

So how many at the Pentagon are part of the conspiracy. Ten? A hundred? A thousand? The fact is that the Pentagon's cameras may not be that good either. Their purpose is to detect intrusions ... not get clear video of suspects. And releasing video from them may compromise Pentagon security.

There may be yet another video of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon. The trajectory of the aircraft flew in low across a cloverleaf that is under constant monitoring of the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT). The view from their camera would clearly show the trajectory of any sized aircraft.

You might want to visit this site from time to time: http://www.flight77.info/

The author of that site had much to say (it's probably cached on the web somewhere but not at the old URL). For example (and keep in mind that he's on your side):

**********

"the 9/11 truth movement, today, is fueled by the theory that something other than a 757 hit the pentagon on 9/11. if you're interested in being a happy member of the group of people known now as 'the 9/11 truth movement' - you're going to have accept a few things: 1) no 757 hit the pentagon. 2) aliens may have been involved in the overall 9/11 plot. 3) if planes actually did hit buildings on 9/11, they were likely loaded with missiles... also, know your JFK assasination trivia well, and have an original theory to throw out to the group from time to time. you get special cool points for insights into JFK and aliens. [this is not a rip on the JFK assasination or UFO crowd]

this is the way it is NOW. i don't know how the 9/11 truth movement was originally. i got into the scene late (about 2 years ago). it doesn't really matter the way it was originally - now it is just an echo of hope that the truth will bring the real conspirators to justice. now, the 9/11 truth movement is a playground for people who prefer theories over accuracy, and a field filled with opportunities for profit.

now, there is very little actual on-the-ground, real-life investigation. those who prefer theories over accuracy don't want to spoil those theories with FOIA requests or other investigations that might actually lead to the uncovering of evidence. i've witnessed this from the 'inside', and have seen the flurry of panic to protect certain theories. but that's okay; that's people's lives. and if you're thinking of becoming a member of the 9/11 truth movement, don't fool yourself that you're joining a mission to bring truth to light. "

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"UPDATE 3/9/6

if you're new to the concept that 9/11 was an inside job, as you look further you're going to find a lot of conflicting information online from people all claiming to be 9/11 truth seekers, 9/11 skeptics, or in the 9/11 truth movement, etc.

the collective working to reveal what actually happened on 9/11; this movement can be viewed as a two tiered front - divided (often bitterly) by the nebulous debate on what hit the pentagon: was it 757 or was it anything other than a 757?

people like myself, who think it is highly HIGHLY likely that a 757 did hit the pentagon wish the 757/no-757 debate would go away (hence this FOIA lawsuit) so that people can spend their time on more productive research to help prove the truth about what happened on 9/11.

people who believe that anything other than a 757 hit the pentagon, also (typically) believe the planes that hit the WTC buildings were loaded with missile pods. many of these people also believe that UFOs were doing a lot of work flying around on 9/11.

essentially, people who are open minded enough to believe that 9/11 was an inside job tend to be a little too open minded in general - which is not a bad thing. but this mind set makes them susceptible to some of the most outlandish conspiracy theories - some of which were cooked up by people with highly dubious motives designed to discredit the 9/11 truth movement for whatever reasons.

if you think you might be wandering in the land of far out 9/11 conspiracy theories, take some time to read these URLs.

-911truth.org - pod theory
-whatreallyhappened.com - pod people
-oilempire.us - pentagon hoax
-questionsquestions - pentagon debate
-deception dollar (list of legit 9/11sites)

it's my strong opinion that you view with GREATEST skepticism any 9/11 or pentagon videos that are provocative and flashy with hip music beats - such as 'in plane site' and 'loose change' and 'pentagon strike'... also, be weary of of these sites: webfairy, letsroll911 and any others that promote pod and missile theories.

finally but not last - the 9/11 forum at democraticunderground has recently been taken over by the pod people - which is a big loss since that forum used to be a great source for critical analysis and research.

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UPDATE 3/24/6

i hate sort of beating-up on certain segments of the collective of people who are skeptical about the official version of happened on 9/11... but here i go again: scholars for 9/11 truth: another just provocative web site. how can you tell? among other things, on their home page, they promote the 9/11 music video called 'loose change' that offers up every crack pot pod missile theory in the book. 'loose change' is out there just to provoke people emotionally. its substance is in its appeal to teens and twentysomethings. so why are the 'scholars for 9/11 truth' aligning themselves with a tin hat munching 9/11 music video? why are the 'scholars for 9/11 truth' also promoting the no 757 theory? answer: the web site is just provocative. it's using the blanket (AKA 'big tent'; throwing enough s**t at the wall) approach to attract more people to the concept that 9/11 was an inside job. then by magic, one of these new people will uncover the proof we need to hang the true conspirators.

what's wrong with this 'scholarly' approach? anyone? anyone ? bueler? bueler?

once bush & co reach the end of their reign - that's the finish line, they win. once those powers-that-be are out of power, people lose interest. we need to get 'em for 9//11 while they're in office if we're going to end this endless war on terrorism.

so the problem with the scholars for 9/11 truth's throw-enough-s**t-at-the-wall approach is that they're spinning a new generation of 9/11 skeptics into 9/11 goofballs who are going to spend the next 2 1/2 years looking at the same old pictures of the pentagon going, 'gee, that IS a small hole...' and who will spend endless hours replaying the WTC video trying to see the missile pods.

what does it gain the 9/11 truth movement if everyone is a member - but we're all full of s**t reciting misinformation?

the purpose of the 9/11 truth movement isn't to have more members - it's to end the war on terrorism while it's still possible. and time is really running out.

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UPDATE 5/5/6

for those wondering, we're still on the case. now that the strangeness with moussaoui is over, my attorney and myself expect a judgment on our case any day. the govt's argument for withholding the CD ROM is now moot.

many people suspect the video will be faked. to that i say - get a grip. at some point you need to accept the evidence. if you're so reluctant to even consider that a 757 hit the pentagon, you might be stroking 9/11. the conspiracy has no limits in your mind and you're just so into the idea that no 757 hit the pentagon, you've closed your otherwise open mind. this is where 9/11 has become like a religion for many people. what you believe happened on 9/11 is your BELIEF BELIEF - and any evidence to the contrary is just crazy.

***************

UPDATE 5/16/6

here is the: video from youtube.com - this is not our copy. i'll post our copy when it arrives. i'm not in DC and must arrange to have it delivered.

please note that we still have a second FOIA request active for the other 84 flight 77 recordings. we WILL get those also. they should include the citgo tape and the doubletree hotel tape (there's no sheraton hotel tape, BTW).

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UPDATE 5/17/6

here is the reason behind the timing, and the reason why the DOJ released the latest video (and is withholding the other 84): in our original FOIA request we asked for recordings of the IMPACT of flight 77. the DOJ replied that they had only 1 video responsive to our original request and that was the video they just released; the only recording of the impact. they released this video now due to the may 26th deadline our judge gave to the DOJ. it had nothing to do with any outstanding action by judicial watch. (judicial watch's FOIA lawsuit was filed a full year after we filed our suit. it was a piggie-back lawsuit in anticipation of the resolution of our lawsuit - intended to gain media attention.)

the only reason the other 84 recordings are being withheld is because we were too specific with the term impact in our original FOIA. the other recordings simply don't show the impact. it's not a conspiracy thing as judicial watch is suggesting. it was our lawsuit that revealed the other recordings, and now to get them we have a second FOIA request.

i was listening to an interview with the head of judicial watch and the guy is bewildered why the other recordings haven't been released. he doesn't know why because he hasn't read the full documentation on which he's piggie-backing. instead he's making it sound like a deeper conspiracy.

if judicial watch didn't fling their legs open to the media wearing a dress of limited understanding of what was being released and why - we would have been able to explain these details to everyone in the beginning.

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UPDATE 5/21/6

today i received the CD from the DOJ. you can see the letter that came with the CD to the right.

the CD contains two .mpg files ~33 megs each. if you're someone who is doing analysis on these videos, please email me (bronco-at-flight77.info) and i will send you the URL where you can download them to your desktop.

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UPDATE 5/24/6

not all 9/11 skeptics are conspiracy theorists. you don't need to think a missile hit the pentagon to believe that 9/11 was an inside job. hard-core conspiracy theorists (CTs) set up shop within the 9/11 truth movement very early. CTs get their joy from promoting and inventing theory (not in seeking accuracy) where accuracy gaps exist. since 9/11 is so full of accuracy gaps, CTs have flourished heavily. it is frequently difficult to know if you're communicating with a CT, or someone who is sincerely interested in filling in the 9/11accuracy gaps with information gained from actual investigation.

most, if not all CTs hang out on the planet called, 'anything other than a 757 hit the pentagon'. it is on this planet that CTs have built their cities. they ARE a movement - it's the '9/11 conspiracy theory movement'. this movement should not be confused with the '9/11 truth movement' - they are very different movements.

one of the more popular cities on planet 9/11 CT is called, 'scholars for 9/11 truth' [the only wikipedia definition i've ever seen being considered for deletion]. this is a relatively new organization, and support the highly dubious judicial watch. while having many well-meaning members, there is no denying that 'scholars for 9/11 truth' neither acts in scholarly ways, nor do they promote accuracy (also known as 'truth'). instead S911T hump to no end the notion that something other than a 757 hit the pentagon.

****************

UPDATE 6/7/6

the 9/11 truth movement, today, is fueled by the theory that something other than a 757 hit the pentagon on 9/11. if you're interested in being a happy member of the group of people known now as 'the 9/11 truth movement' - you're going to have accept a few things: 1) no 757 hit the pentagon. 2) aliens may have been involved in the overall 9/11 plot. 3) if planes actually did hit buildings on 9/11, they were likely loaded with missiles... also, know your JFK assasination trivia well, and have an original theory to throw out to the group from time to time. you get special cool points for insights into JFK and aliens. [this is not a rip on the JFK assasination or UFO crowd]

this is the way it is NOW. i don't know how the 9/11 truth movement was originally. i got into the scene late (about 2 years ago). it doesn't really matter the way it was originally - now it is just an echo of hope that the truth will bring the real conspirators to justice. now, the 9/11 truth movement is a playground for people who prefer theories over accuracy, and a field filled with opportunities for profit.

now, there is very little actual on-the-ground, real-life investigation. those who prefer theories over accuracy don't want to spoil those theories with FOIA requests or other investigations that might actually lead to the uncovering of evidence. i've witnessed this from the 'inside', and have seen the flurry of panic to protect certain theories. but that's okay; that's people's lives. and if you're thinking of becoming a member of the 9/11 truth movement, don't fool yourself that you're joining a mission to bring truth to light.

***************

Why don't you contact him to find out the latest? He thinks there is a 9/11 conspiracy and has been instrumental in helping get the videos that have been released made public.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-15   11:50:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

keep in mind that he's on your side

I don't have a side, and I don't have a source. I believe I said I remembered something about a gas station videotape, and then found and posted that story as the thing I remembered. disdain for wikipedia proves nothing. it was the quote from the gas station owner I was after, and nothing more.

kiki  posted on  2007-02-15   11:59:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have a side

That's great. My side is the truth. Whatever the truth says.

disdain for wikipedia proves nothing.

I don't have distain for wikipedia. I use it myself at times. IF it lists the source used to make a claim and that source backs it up. My problem with wikipedia is when an unsourced statement on it is used. Because anyone can write anything on wikipedia and often times wikipedia is wrong.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-15   12:24:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

are you going to do your ron brown kookery today or not?

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2007-02-15   12:29:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

are you going to do your ron brown kookery today or not?

If BAC believes that Ron Brown was murdered - he's on the mark. There's no viable doubt on that one.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-15   17:48:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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