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Title: Soap remedy is a mystery (helps restless legs, leg cramps)
Source: buffalonews
URL Source: http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20070215/1050084.asp
Published: Feb 16, 2007
Author: By JOE GRAEDON and TERESA GRAEDON
Post Date: 2007-02-16 14:18:51 by gengis gandhi
Keywords: None
Views: 149
Comments: 10

Soap remedy is a mystery

By JOE GRAEDON and TERESA GRAEDON

2/15/2007

Sometimes a remedy defies logic. Usually there's no science to support it, either. That's certainly the case when it comes to putting a bar of soap under the bottom sheet to stop leg cramps or restless legs. One reader (who happens to have doctorates in biomedical engineering and physics) took us to task for suggesting this remedy. He asked: "What is the mechanism of action for a bar of soap under your sheets for relieving any type of pain? Answering that this is anything but an old wives' tale discredits everything you have done in the name of science.

"As a fellow scientist and university faculty member, I feel it is your responsibility to educate your readers using accepted scientific principles. When you do not, you are performing a disservice to the rest of us.

"What's next? "We have heard from many readers that it helps to have a leprechaun in your pocket when looking for gold at the end of the rainbow, and we can't see how it would hurt.' "

We can't pretend that soap under the sheet is anything more than a folk remedy. We can't explain how it would work, and we don't know for sure that it does. Nonetheless, we have been impressed with readers reporting success.

One wrote: "I've been a longtime sufferer of sciatica. Recently, I was diagnosed with degenerative joint disease resulting in tarsal tunnel syndrome in my left foot. The pain was nearly unbearable. After your column on the soap mystery, I could not believe it, but I thought I had little to lose.

"I keep the bar of soap underneath my sheets all the time. It's been over a month, and I've been noticing much less pain and more energy. I shared the article with a co-worker, who also is benefiting. Her sister, a nurse, is puzzled by this."

We heard from another nurse who had been doubtful: "Being a nurse, I was VERY skeptical about the soap remedy. Statin medicines give me leg cramps. I decided the bar of soap could do no harm. It worked the very first night and has continued to work for the past three months. I can't figure out how it can possibly help, but it does."

Another reader found a bar of soap more helpful than prescription pain relievers: "I had an unsuccessful replacement of my right knee 18 months ago, and my left thigh suffers from meralgia paresthetica (thigh nerve pain).

"The bar of soap works wonders. The pain in both legs almost disappears when I go to bed. I tried to do without soap one night, and after about 30 minutes of tossing and turning I put the bar back under the sheet to relieve the pain.

"I have to replace the soap about every two months to stay pain-free. I said goodbye to Celebrex and Mobic, which were not easing the pain."

Leg cramps can be extremely painful, and there are no drugs approved to treat them. We only wish there were some studies to help us understand the soap phenomenon.

Anyone who is fascinated by such oddball remedies might be interested in our new book, "Best Choices From The People's Pharmacy" (Rodale Books).

Our rule of thumb with such remedies is, if they won't hurt and might help and are inexpensive, why not give them a try? We can't explain the soap remedy, but doctors can't explain how many prescription drugs work, either.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20070215/1050084.asp


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In a quantuum model this would not be unusual. Why do placebos work so very very well? They are afraid to admit the answer. If beliefs have no bearing on reality, why then the massive amounts of energy spent by power broking institutions such as church and state to install belief systems into populations? 'as a man thinketh, so is he'

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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

very "Stranger in a Strange Land"...

You make the reality you want.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-02-16   14:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

I can think of a lot of ways this could work. Inhaling the fumes from the soap, the skin absorbing the vapor, the vapor changing the charge on the sheets, etc. Can't say if any of it is the actual mechanism though.

You have to be very careful with effective cures as witch doctoring can work. I once had a good cure for hiccups. I believed what I did relaxed the spasmed nerve in my throat. Someone then explained that what I was doing wouldn't relax the nerve. The cure stopped working after that.

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...  posted on  2007-02-16   14:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Possible mechanism: The odor of the soap. Worth investigating.

"In popular articles that play down the genetical differences among human populations, it is often stated that about 85% of the total genetic variation is due to individual differences within populations and only 15% to differences between populations or ethnic groups. ...this argument ignores the fact that most of the information that distinguishes populations is hidden in the correlation structure of the data and not simply in the variation of the individual factors." In other words, this is a deceitful argument, and those who make it know that.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-02-16   14:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

If beliefs have no bearing on reality, why then the massive amounts of energy spent by power broking institutions such as church and state to install belief systems into populations?

Beliefs are part of reality, and a belief need not be true in order to be beneficial or adaptive -- or a means to power. Beliefs (or rather articulations thereof) are just another class of things to correlate, and a cause is just a repeatable correlate that precedes some other thing.

Suppose people who are about to get well regardless are more likely to try soap under the sheet? Presumably very few who experience for the first time one night of restless leg will try soap the next night.

Placebo effects vary with country, race, and medical condition. Germans have very little placebo effect in hypertension, for example, while Italians have very little in anxiety disorders.

"In popular articles that play down the genetical differences among human populations, it is often stated that about 85% of the total genetic variation is due to individual differences within populations and only 15% to differences between populations or ethnic groups. ...this argument ignores the fact that most of the information that distinguishes populations is hidden in the correlation structure of the data and not simply in the variation of the individual factors." In other words, this is a deceitful argument, and those who make it know that.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-02-16   15:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

I wonder what type, or brand, of soap works best?

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-02-16   15:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tauzero (#3)

electromagnetic fields, gauss effect?

“All of us should treasure his (John Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks: "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."” --- Robert Anton Wilson

“Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission.” --- Robert Anton Wilson

gengis gandhi  posted on  2007-02-16   20:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: gengis gandhi, *Old Wives Tales* (#0)

We can't pretend that soap under the sheet is anything more than a folk remedy. We can't explain how it would work, and we don't know for sure that it does. Nonetheless, we have been impressed with readers reporting success.

In Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward's book about the Iraqi war, Plan of Attack, Lt. Gen. Tommy Franks, who was in charge of the operation, famously called Feith the "dumbest f****** guy on the planet."

robin  posted on  2007-02-16   20:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: gengis gandhi (#6)

Who knows.

But the fact that knocking out a female fruit fly's sense of smell increases its life span by 58% suggests to me that we have quite a lot to learn.

"Nordics need not be vain about their own qualifications. It well behooves them to be humble. What we do claim is that the northern European, and particularly Anglo Saxons made this country. Oh yes, the others helped. But that is the full statement of the case. They came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth... they have not yet greatly changed it. We are determined that they shall not. It is a good country. It suits us. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different.” -- Congressman William N. Vaile

Tauzero  posted on  2007-02-16   23:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

"As a fellow scientist and university faculty member, I feel it is your responsibility to educate your readers using accepted scientific principles. When you do not, you are performing a disservice to the rest of us.

All you need is a phamaceutical company (or anyone else) that's willing to spend the money to research this possibility and then you'll have your "scientific" explanation.

Why do placebos work so very very well? They are afraid to admit the answer. If beliefs have no bearing on reality, why then the massive amounts of energy spent by power broking institutions such as church and state to install belief systems into populations?

The placebo effect is applicable only when the subject has faith something inert will work. In most of the cited descriptions, the subjects lacked faith in the soap remedy, so the placebo effect wouldn't likely explain the claimed improvements.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2007-02-17   11:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Neil McIver (#9)

The placebo effect is applicable only when the subject has faith something inert will work. In most of the cited descriptions, the subjects lacked faith in the soap remedy, so the placebo effect wouldn't likely explain the claimed improvements.

I can see your point, but sub-consciously these people must have believed that it may or could work, or they would not have tried it.

Another explanation is aromatherapy. People prone to leg cramps typically have higher levels of stress in their lives, or at the very least, poor ability to deal with stress. The smell of soap could relieve some of this tension, hence allowing the body to be more relaxed and lessening the occurrence of pain and cramps.

When someone chooses a soap, they choose it by seeing which smell appeals to them, then continue to use that brand as long as it does not cause some dermatological issue like dry skin.

I am sure that everyone has at least one stopped to enjoy the smell of their own or their spouses or child's freshly washed hair, or take in the scent of laundry right out of the dryer. The scents in the soaps we purchase are thoroughly studied for appeal and relaxing benefits.

These same scents could be found in essential oils or other products and have an even more profound effect, but I can understand how the aroma of soap could be of assistance in some cases.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-02-19   0:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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