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Title: BeAChooser Bozo Count at 40 Plus and Counting - A Possible Site Record
Source: Minerva
URL Source: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=45820&Disp=409#C409
Published: Feb 19, 2007
Author: Minerva
Post Date: 2007-02-19 21:59:28 by Minerva
Keywords: None
Views: 23979
Comments: 375

Last night I took a guess at Beachy's bozo count. Today he spilled the beans and indicated that the number I guessed, between 40 and 50, was substantially correct.

Beachy Spills the Beans

What does this mean? Well .... it means he is a piss poor excuse for excuse for an advocate. Nobody takes him serious. This is probably why Goldi booted him.

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#269. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#268)

How many Iraqi civilians would you "authorize" to be killed, BAC - got a number, asshole? They stand as American War Crimes, whether you like reality, or not; whatever the number.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-06   21:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: AGAviator, scrapper2, ALL (#264)

the fact that thousands of Iraqi doctors can issue death certificates,

Ignore the fact that you've offered no proof of that. A quote by ONE Iraqi doctor to that effect. ONE Iraqi doctor saying he did what you claim they all did. And if you don't claim that 5000 did it, then the number that each did that has to increase proportionally. But we're still waiting to hear the FIRST Iraqi doctors' name. And you clearly don't have one or a quote by him/her.

ignore the fact that for a year the only numbers the ministry of health reported were from one sixth of Iraq's population,

Ignore the fact that even if that is true, it doesn't explain the missing 500,000 death certificates. The missing bodies. The missing graves. The missing news reports. The missing eyewitnesses. The lack of depopulation in the areas where this violence had to have mostly occurred. Ignore all that ...

and ignore the fact that 80% of the survey and not 92% of the survey stated they had death certificates.

Ignore the fact you don't understand statistics. They reportedly asked 87 percent of the households where a death was claimed to provide a death certificate and 92 percent of that 87 percent was supposedly able to do so. But there shouldn't be anything special about the other 13 percent, if the surveyers simply forgot (as they claimed) to ask them for the proof. Statistically, one would expect such a random group to also have been able to supply a death certificate about 92 percent of the time. Hence, it is accurate to say that the John Hopkins study suggests that 92 percent of those claiming dead should have a death certificate ... if their study is valid. Which means that about 500,000 death certificates are missing.

all you're left with is "Nobody is being killed in Iraq because the media hates Bush. Nobody is being killed in Iraq because the media hates America."

Of course I've never said or implied any such thing which makes your use of quotes all the more inappropriate and suggestive of desperation on your part.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-06   21:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#270)

How many Iraqi civilians would you "authorize" to be killed, BAC - got a number, asshole? They stand as American War Crimes, whether you like reality, or not; whatever the number.

Hey, BAC, answer the question, Fuck-Head!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-06   21:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: scrapper2, ALL (#266)

When the Hewey evac helicopters are poised on the roof tops of the Green Zone, there will be no seats available for the Kurds.

You appear to be suggesting that if we abandon Iraq (as you hope), there will be a bloodbath. How many do you expect will die in that bloodbath? Say just among the Kurds. Just curious whether your estimates are as good as say ... John Kerry's estimates were about what would happen in Vietnam after we left.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-06   21:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: beachooser (#272)

How many Iraqi civilians would you "authorize" to be killed, BAC - got a number, asshole? They stand as American War Crimes, whether you like reality, or not; whatever the number.

Hey, BAC, answer the question, Fuck-Head!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-06   21:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: AGAviator, scrapper2, ALL (#263)

Mohammed Al-Obaidi

Let's take a look at him ...

http://www.counterpunch.org/saud07122005.html "First of all the resistance, which represents the will of the majority of Iraqis is certain that the election was a violation of international law." If you read that you'll see he's a real friend of the "resistance" (you know, the folks using bombs to kill thousands of innocent Iraqis). He spouts all their slogans. Not exactly an unbiased party if you ask me.

ROTFLOL!

And remember when he delighted in telling Wanniski that they were going to drop the genocide charge against Saddam? http://www.orbstandard.com/News/wanniskisaddamlawyers.html Too bad that turned out false...

But no wonder he and Wanniski were so friendly. Al-Obaidi denies the Kurds were murdered by Saddam, too:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=AL-20041220&articleId=330

ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-06   22:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: BeAChooser, AGAviator, christine, SKYDRIFTER (#272) (Edited)

scrapper: When the Hewey evac helicopters are poised on the roof tops of the Green Zone, there will be no seats available for the Kurds.

BeAChooser: You appear to be suggesting that if we abandon Iraq (as you hope), there will be a bloodbath. How many do you expect will die in that bloodbath? Say just among the Kurds. Just curious whether your estimates are as good as say ... John Kerry's estimates were about what would happen in Vietnam after we left.

I believe that we will abandon Iraq. We are foreign occupiers. We should not be there. That culture is hundreds of years older than America - they don't need "tips" from us on how to run a country or how to be businesslike with the sale of their natural resources.

We should not have invaded another sovereign nation that was no threat to us. The Iraqi nationals - ie. the insurgents - or as you and other reichwingers like to call them, the enemy - will grow in number. They want us out as well they should. They want their nation back.

If we don't go gracefully, they'll drive us out with a million razor cuts.

I want our nation to normalize diplomatic relations with Iraq eventually. I believe a Shiite dominated Iraq along with its sister, a Shiite dominated Iran, could be valuable allies to America in a sea of hostile Sunni Muslims, who are the vast majority of Muslims in the ME as well as the world.

That cannot will not happen while we occupy and cause violence ourselves or act as magnets to violence caused by others.

As for the Kurds, they would be wise to ally themselves again with Iran as they did during the Iran-Iraq War. They are more closely related ethnically to the Iranians anyways. I can't say I adore the Kurds - they helped build the lie that Uncle Saddam was a consort with AQ, which he wasn't - and please spare me the BAC spam reply with articles from the Weekly Standard etc - but I don't wish them harm - I just think they are disposable allies - the only ally DC would not purposely betray is Precious aka Israel - so the Kurds one way or the other are 2nd class allies to DC - and if the going gets rough which it will, DC would throw them under the bus, no problem. That's why if I were a Kurdish leader, I'd be re-building those ties with Shiite Iran pronto.

As for Israel, it can certainly defend itself - we've paid Israelis a handsome sum over the years to buy and design every high tech weapon known to modern mankind. Israel looks out for itself. That's what we must do as well so we should diversify our allies in the ME - I think it should be Shiites - I think we should stop interfering and being bullyboy in the ME. We should buy oil at the market price and be done with all the other game playing. We should not be sending our troops to fight wars for the benefit of Israel, the oil industry, or the defense industry. If the afore-mentioned want to "control" affairs in the ME, they can pay for mercenaries, and not have the US spend American blood and treasure to give them a positive outcome for their self-serving goals.

Btw, fyi I voted for GWB in 2000 because he promised he would never abuse our troops for nation building projects in foreign lands. I thought he was a conservative - what a joke on me. I believe we should give isolationaism a chance and devote our attention to the problems that exist stateside. I don't mind paying $5 per gallon for gas if it means our troops aren't sent to foreign lands to act like uncivilized Huns.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-06   22:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: scrapper2, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#275)


The crisis now is in admitting that the USA destroyed a country and replaced a built up nation with flattened towns and a bloody civil war.

Somehow it seems more honorable to kill more for less. 3,000 plus GIs have already died for halliburton profits; will another six thousand somehow rescue those lives?

It's time to bite the proverbial bullet & cut our losses. This isn't about protecting an investment, it's a matter of minimizing the obvious disaster.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-06   22:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: scrapper2, ALL (#275)

So how many Iraqis (Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds, whatever) do you expect will die in the bloodbath that follows our departure?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-06   23:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: BeAChooser (#277)

So how many Iraqis (Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds, whatever) do you expect will die in the bloodbath that follows our departure?

I have no idea. Probably much less than if we parked our butts there for the next 10 years. Do you care either way? It doesn't strike me that you care how many Muslims or Americans die or are injured as long as it not Israelis.

We should not have invaded Iraq. It follows that we should not continue to be there.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-06   23:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: scrapper2 (#278)

So how many Iraqis (Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds, whatever) do you expect will die in the bloodbath that follows our departure?

I have no idea. Probably much less than if we parked our butts there for the next 10 years. Do you care either way? It doesn't strike me that you care how many Muslims or Americans die or are injured as long as it not Israelis.

We should not have invaded Iraq. It follows that we should not continue to be there.

You for got to end your post with "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL! so everyone knows how self confident you are!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-07   0:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: BeABozo, scrapper2 (#268) (Edited)

ROTFLOL! Did you notice the date on what you just posted, AGAviator? August 21, 2003,just as IraqBodyCount indicated in the URL I posted and linked in post #260.

Hey airhead.

I don't give two $hits about what Iraq Body Count posted in their URL, because Iraq Body Count didn't make the original statement and are repeating second- hand information.

You can't impeach the source, so instead you go to Iraq Body Count said that Al Jazeera said that Jude Wanniski said that The People's Kiffa said.

Typical of your intellectual dishonesty.

So flock you, troll.

Now do you see the problem with that date? It's BEFORE the date your first source and al-Jazerra claimed the study was conducted.

You mean the date that's being given by somebody that is not a party to the original statement?

You have any problem quoting from sources directly, Bozo bait, instead of from third-hand comments about the sources?

Oh, by the way, be sure to tell folks a little about Jude Wanniski.

For one, he denies Saddam committed genocide against the Kurds. What irony ...

Irony for you, numbnuts.

By your bizarre mental process, if you don't have half a million death certificates of Kurds killed by Saddam, he couldn't have possibly committed genocide against them!

ROTLOL! ROTLOL! ROTLOL! ROTLOL! ROTLOL!

Where are the missing death certificates? Half a million of them! ROTFLOL!

Up yours, twerp.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-07   0:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: BeABozo, scrapper2, skydrifter (#270) (Edited)

Ignore the fact you don't understand statistics. They reportedly asked 87 percent of the households where a death was claimed to provide a death certificate and 92 percent of that 87 percent was supposedly blah blah blah

Do you know how many morgues the LA Times included in its total of your 50,000 death certificates you illiterate ass-wipe?

Exactly one

"The Times attempted to reach a comprehensive figure by obtaining statistics from the Baghdad morgue and the Health Ministry and checking those numbers against a sampling of local health departments for possible undercounts.

The Health Ministry gathers numbers from hospitals in the capital and the outlying provinces. If a victim of violence dies at a hospital or arrives dead,medical officials issue a death certificate....

If the morgue receives a body — usually those deemed suspicious deaths — officials there issue the death certificate.

(1) The Baghdad morgue received 30,204 bodies from 2003 through mid-2006, while

(2) The Health Ministry said it had documented 18,933 deaths from "military clashes" and "terrorist attacks" from April 5, 2004, to June 1, 2006.

(3) Together, the toll reaches 49,137"

. The 50,000 death certificates you keep blathering about consist of data from only two sources
(1) The Baghdad morgue by itself from 2003 through mid- 2006, and
(2) The Health Ministry looking at its available records between 2004 and 2006 for hospitals around the country, while omitting the entire year from March 20 2003 through April 4, 2004 as well as the regions the Times specifically cited as being omitted.

A single morgue - Baghdad - produced over 30,000 violent deaths, in three years - all by itself. And Baghdad is only 1/6 of Iraq's population and not even the most violent area of that country.

And then that Health Ministry stated to the LA Times that its numbers from hospitals were far below the actual totals.

So tell me about the *statistics* of

(1) Counting only one morgue in an entire country,
(2) Omitting the entire country's hospitals for more than an entire year,
(3) Omitting the most violent provinces for all years,
(4) Omitting 3 Kurdish provinces whose officials refuse to give out any numbers, and
(5) "Grossly under counting" those numbers they finally did come up with.
You pathetic turd.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-07   1:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: scrapper2 (#202)

And just because she exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd ( ie. you), it doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close.

Bears repeating. You do have a way with words.

I may want to borrow it for my sig line.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-07   1:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: AGAviator, BeAFluffer, christine, Zipporah, Rowdee, Robin, Minerva, Diana, kiki (#280)

By your bizarre mental process, if you don't have half a million death certificates of Kurds killed by Saddam, he couldn't have possibly committed genocide against them!

ROTLOL! ROTLOL! ROTLOL! ROTLOL! ROTLOL!

Where are the missing death certificates? Half a million of them! ROTFLOL!

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And, BeAFluffer, now that AGAviator has nailed your ass to the outhouse door I think I'll just walk away with my nose in the air, and ROTFLMAO!

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-07   2:12:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: AGAviator (#281)

excellent post

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)

robin  posted on  2007-03-07   4:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: HOUNDDAWG (#283)

Hi Dawgie, where's Askel?

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-07   9:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: AGAviator (#285)

She doesn't post here, and last I saw her she was still over at ewe gno ware.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-07   10:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: HOUNDDAWG (#283)

I've decided BAC is into S&M......cause he sure likes having his ass whupped hither and yon!

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rowdee  posted on  2007-03-07   10:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: rowdee (#287)

ROTFLMAO!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-07   10:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: HOUNDDAWG, BeAChooser (#283)

BAC, that's a great picture in 283; it's better than the other one because you're smiling in 283. LOL

Don't worry about these naysayers BAC. I'm still your fan. I read every word you write. and I believe everything you say too. You are a genius.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-03-07   10:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: AGAviator, ALL (#281)

Do you know how many morgues the LA Times included in its total of your 50,000 death certificates you illiterate ass-wipe?

Exactly one

You sure?

Because I quoted one of the authors of the LATimes story, Borzou Daragahi saying "We went to morgues, cemeteries, hospitals, health officials, and we gathered as many statistics as we could on the actual dead bodies, and the number we came up with around June was about at least 50,000."

MorgueS. With an S.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-07   10:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: AGAviator, ALL (#282)

Here's what bears repeating:

***********

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr14.php

Iraq Body Count Press Release 16 October 2006

Reality checks: some responses to the latest Lancet estimates

Hamit Dardagan, John Sloboda, and Josh Dougherty

Summary

A new study has been released by the Lancet medical journal estimating over 650,000 excess deaths in Iraq. The Iraqi mortality estimates published in the Lancet in October 2006 imply, among other things, that:

1. On average, a thousand Iraqis have been violently killed every single day in the first half of 2006, with less than a tenth of them being noticed by any public surveillance mechanisms;

2. Some 800,000 or more Iraqis suffered blast wounds and other serious conflict-related injuries in the past two years, but less than a tenth of them received any kind of hospital treatment;

3. Over 7% of the entire adult male population of Iraq has already been killed in violence, with no less than 10% in the worst affected areas covering most of central Iraq;

4. Half a million death certificates were received by families which were never officially recorded as having been issued;

5. The Coalition has killed far more Iraqis in the last year than in earlier years containing the initial massive "Shock and Awe" invasion and the major assaults on Falluja.

And this:

If these assertions are true, they further imply:

* incompetence and/or fraud on a truly massive scale by Iraqi officials in hospitals and ministries, on a local, regional and national level, perfectly coordinated from the moment the occupation began;

* bizarre and self-destructive behaviour on the part of all but a small minority of 800,000 injured, mostly non-combatant, Iraqis;

* the utter failure of local or external agencies to notice and respond to a decimation of the adult male population in key urban areas;

* an abject failure of the media, Iraqi as well as international, to observe that Coalition-caused events of the scale they reported during the three-week invasion in 2003 have been occurring every month for over a year.

In the light of such extreme and improbable implications, a rational alternative conclusion to be considered is that the authors have drawn conclusions from unrepresentative data. In addition, totals of the magnitude generated by this study are unnecessary to brand the invasion and occupation of Iraq a human and strategic tragedy.

**************

Good reasons why the John Hopkins studies are BOGUS.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-07   11:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: AGAviator, scrapper2, HOUNDDAWG, rowdee, Red Jones (#281)

You pathetic turd.

perfect.

christine  posted on  2007-03-07   11:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: christine, AGAviator, ALL (#292)

You pathetic turd.

perfect.

Christine, I hope you realize that this level of response is exactly what I expected when I began posting here at FD4UM. And you may not realize this, but it doesn't paint a very pretty picture to folks who might *stumble* upon this site.

And by the way, did you see the quote I offered from one of the authors of the LATimes article stating that they visited morgueS, with an S? Wonder what AGAviator will say to that?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-07   11:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: BeAChooser (#293)

maybe if you'd give us some more pictures of yourself besides the 2 you already gave us, then we could put them up and attract some new people.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-03-07   11:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#293)

Christine, I hope you realize that this level of response is exactly what I expected when I began posting here at FD4UM. And you may not realize this, but it doesn't paint a very pretty picture to folks who might *stumble* upon this site.

Fuck you, BAC!

Christine is light-years ahead of your "Goldi," why insult her with "Goldi" appeals?

Go away. No other person has ever incited such appropriate vitriol with their presence, as you have.

Take a hint, asshole!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-07   13:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: SKYDRIFTER, All (#295)

Go away. No other person has ever incited such appropriate vitriol with their presence, as you have.

Take a hint, asshole

Hear Hear!

All together now brothers and sisters!

"Buh Bye BeAFluffer!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-07   14:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: HOUNDDAWG, SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#296)

Go away. No other person has ever incited such appropriate vitriol with their presence, as you have.

Take a hint, asshole

Hear Hear!

I remember whole threads devoted to the topic of my not daring to come over here and debate FD4UMers.

So here I am. And as any reader of this forum can see, I've been very courteous.

No labels, no name calling.

Just sourced facts and logic that don't seem to jibe with what FD4UMers have been posting.

Now FD4UMers could challenge those facts and logic with credible sourced articles and logic of their own.

But for the most part they haven't done that.

Instead, the general response has been to use the bozo filter in large numbers and call for my banning.

Along with throwing out mountains of adhominems.

And now they've begun begging me to leave.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-07   15:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#297)

And now they've begun begging me to leave.

No one is "begging' - just fucking leave, asshole! Christine may be fair to an extreme, but that doesn't make you anything but a verbose and slimy coward/traitor.

You're every bit the coward Diana describes, no one knows where you live, or what you look like. No doubt that's smart of you, as that's what cowards and queers do.

Just fucking leave, BAC. Goldi didn't ban you; that was all an illusion, designed to fabricate the 'character,' which you lack. You still have a home at ElPee.

"Get back, Beocho!
Get back to where you belong."


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-07   17:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: BeAChooser, christine (#297)

And now they've begun begging me to leave.

And, I'm sorry for that.

In fact, nothing would please me more than for you to suddenly decide that caring about our feelings is more important than being right.

If you choose to be a skillful but polite and respectful debater, then you'd be a stimulating and welcome addition to the forum.

And, this would benefit you no matter where you go because, like it or not it's a quirk of human nature that if you put someone you're debating on the defensive you lose by default, and your present style is winning no converts and even fewer friends.

If you're having fun and don't care about us then by all means continue.

But, it's my nature to try and fix things, and I had to reach out at least once before striking a line through your name forever.

How about it?

Is there some really good reason why we can't be friends? If not then, if you start treating the people with whom you've had some rancorous and unpleasant exchanges with respect then we can start all over and perhaps benefit each other. I don't really believe that you feel superior to anyone, and in fact it will be an unnecessary defensive tactic if you are willing to give my suggestion a try.

Are you?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-07   18:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: BeAChooser (#297)

Now FD4UMers could challenge those facts and logic with credible sourced articles and logic of their own.

But for the most part they haven't done that.

Repetition does not make truth, fuck-face. Simply because you CHOOSE to SPAM the board with material that conflicts with other material posted here (and usually reality, one might add), proves nothing other than your obsessiveness for and/or devotion to USFedGov. Tell a lie often enough...where have I heard that before?

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-07   18:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: Dakmar (#300)

well said, dak. everyone else but the delusional government toady can see his ass has been kicked a hundred ways to sunday on this forum. it's also apparent to most that he's a collossal waste of time.

christine  posted on  2007-03-07   19:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: Christine, Critter, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#301)

it's also apparent to most that he's a collossal waste of time.

I fear that one of BAC's disinformation missions is to establish the 4-um as a politically watered-down and "controversial" asset, thereby insulating its factual value as a serious journalistic source, relative to topics such as 9-11 and the various "Bush" War Crimes.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't move for a banning, but I'd make an exception in cases such as BAC's. He is reasonably talented, at what he does.

My two-cent's worth, on the topic.


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SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-07   19:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: christine (#301)

It's good training for spotting propaganda elsewhere. While I'm against banning, I think it might be a hoot to make his posting here contingent upon answering questions. It would take a hell of a lot of moderating though, and I can understand why no one would wish to subject themselves to that.

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-07   19:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: SKYDRIFTER (#302)

Truth is truth and cannot be shouted down, although it can be drowned out at times. I actually think BAC is funny, in an Orwellian sort of way. You have to admit, it feels good to trounce his think-tank lies, spin, and talking points. He serves a purpose here, I think. He is our perennial omega bitch.

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-07   19:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: Dakmar, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#304)

I'd like to see at least a 30-day suspension for BAC; with the understanding that he'll come back in the "spam-free" mode; or else. If BAC could stay "spam- free" for Goldi, he can do so for the 4-um.

Why 30 days? Because I think whatever is going to happen in Iran will take place in that window - and we don't need the likes of BAC to muddle the issues.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-07   19:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#297)

Say, BAC, there's a "person" with your posting and response style over at ElPee - "Sweetjustusnow;" is that really you?

A simple yes/no is sufficient. We know you never lie, you lying piece of shit, you.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-07   20:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: HOUNDDAWG, ALL (#299)

If you choose to be a skillful but polite and respectful debater,

You mean like these folks?

Minerva - starts a thread titled "BeAChooser Bozo Count at 40 Plus and Counting - A Possible Site Record"

orangedog - Ignore him to death and he'll fade away like a bad fart.

Red Jones - BAC is the guy on the left.

Diana - He's a bad egg.

Diana - There is no intellect present in an exceedingly dishonest poster with a very questionable agenda.

SKYDRIFTER - I've long accused BAC of being queer

rowdee - Di, dear lady, just tell the bastard to go fuck himself and get it over with!

rowdee - Being the nice sweet lady you are makes this turd-faced jerkoff bolder.

IndieTX - Low intellect, psychotic, no talent..paranoid..delusions of grandeur [save the world from kooks] and perhaps, "sexually disoriented" = Chimp = Insane.

Nostalgia - The fucker's maniacal with that ROTFLOL!

Elliot Jackalope - Just make him a dustmop suit, and let him post in a room that needs the floors cleaned.....

SKYDRIFTER - you Mossadite piece of shit,

scrapper2 - Eat it.

christine - well done, honway. see this is the kind of information which is being exposed because of the sad little specimen of a troll.

innieway - "I'M DONE WITH YOUR SATANIST ASS

Jethro Tull - Dump his Zionist, blood dancing ass.

scrapper2 - I swear, BAC, you continually show yourself to be an unparalleled numbskull.

scrapper2 - Look oozer I would rather walk into traffic than "give up" to a tardbotshill like yourself.

IndieTX - I think the closet is where he hides his pics of Jeff Gannon.

AGAviator - Flock you, troll.

SKYDRIFTER - answer the question, Fuck-Head!

AGAviator - you illiterate ass-wipe

HOUNDDAWG - And, BeAFluffer, now that AGAviator has nailed your ass to the outhouse door I think I'll just walk away with my nose in the air, and ROTFLMAO!

AGAviator - You pathetic turd.

christine - perfect.

SKYDRIFTER - Fuck you, BAC!

SKYDRIFTER - Take a hint, asshole

HOUNDDAWG - Hear Hear!

SKYDRIFTER - No one is "begging' - just fucking leave, asshole!

Dakmar - Repetition does not make truth, fuck-face.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-08   1:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: christine, ALL (#301)

well said, dak. everyone else but the delusional government toady can see his ass has been kicked a hundred ways to sunday on this forum. it's also apparent to most that he's a collossal waste of time.

Then you'll have no problem with me posting. It can only make you folks look even smarter.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-08   1:04:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#306)

Say, BAC, there's a "person" with your posting and response style over at ElPee - "Sweetjustusnow;" is that really you?

No. Unlike you, SKYDRIFTER, I have never tried to sneak onto a forum or post from multiple accounts simultaneously.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-08   1:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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