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Title: BeAChooser Bozo Count at 40 Plus and Counting - A Possible Site Record
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Minerva
URL Source: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=45820&Disp=409#C409
Published: Feb 19, 2007
Author: Minerva
Post Date: 2007-02-19 21:59:28 by Minerva
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Comments: 375
Last night I took a guess at Beachy's bozo count. Today he spilled the beans and indicated that the number I guessed, between 40 and 50, was substantially correct. What does this mean? Well .... it means he is a piss poor excuse for excuse for an advocate. Nobody takes him serious. This is probably why Goldi booted him.
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#301. To: Dakmar (#300)
well said, dak. everyone else but the delusional government toady can see his ass has been kicked a hundred ways to sunday on this forum. it's also apparent to most that he's a collossal waste of time.
I fear that one of BAC's disinformation missions is to establish the 4-um as a politically watered-down and "controversial" asset, thereby insulating its factual value as a serious journalistic source, relative to topics such as 9-11 and the various "Bush" War Crimes. Ordinarily, I wouldn't move for a banning, but I'd make an exception in cases such as BAC's. He is reasonably talented, at what he does. My two-cent's worth, on the topic.
It's good training for spotting propaganda elsewhere. While I'm against banning, I think it might be a hoot to make his posting here contingent upon answering questions. It would take a hell of a lot of moderating though, and I can understand why no one would wish to subject themselves to that.
If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost
Truth is truth and cannot be shouted down, although it can be drowned out at times. I actually think BAC is funny, in an Orwellian sort of way. You have to admit, it feels good to trounce his think-tank lies, spin, and talking points. He serves a purpose here, I think. He is our perennial omega bitch.
If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost
I'd like to see at least a 30-day suspension for BAC; with the understanding that he'll come back in the "spam-free" mode; or else. If BAC could stay "spam- free" for Goldi, he can do so for the 4-um. Why 30 days? Because I think whatever is going to happen in Iran will take place in that window - and we don't need the likes of BAC to muddle the issues.
Say, BAC, there's a "person" with your posting and response style over at ElPee - "Sweetjustusnow;" is that really you? A simple yes/no is sufficient. We know you never lie, you lying piece of shit, you.
You mean like these folks? Minerva - starts a thread titled "BeAChooser Bozo Count at 40 Plus and Counting - A Possible Site Record" orangedog - Ignore him to death and he'll fade away like a bad fart. Red Jones - BAC is the guy on the left. Diana - He's a bad egg. Diana - There is no intellect present in an exceedingly dishonest poster with a very questionable agenda. SKYDRIFTER - I've long accused BAC of being queer rowdee - Di, dear lady, just tell the bastard to go fuck himself and get it over with! rowdee - Being the nice sweet lady you are makes this turd-faced jerkoff bolder. IndieTX - Low intellect, psychotic, no talent..paranoid..delusions of grandeur [save the world from kooks] and perhaps, "sexually disoriented" = Chimp = Insane. Nostalgia - The fucker's maniacal with that ROTFLOL! Elliot Jackalope - Just make him a dustmop suit, and let him post in a room that needs the floors cleaned..... SKYDRIFTER - you Mossadite piece of shit, scrapper2 - Eat it. christine - well done, honway. see this is the kind of information which is being exposed because of the sad little specimen of a troll. innieway - "I'M DONE WITH YOUR SATANIST ASS Jethro Tull - Dump his Zionist, blood dancing ass. scrapper2 - I swear, BAC, you continually show yourself to be an unparalleled numbskull. scrapper2 - Look oozer I would rather walk into traffic than "give up" to a tardbotshill like yourself. IndieTX - I think the closet is where he hides his pics of Jeff Gannon. AGAviator - Flock you, troll. SKYDRIFTER - answer the question, Fuck-Head! AGAviator - you illiterate ass-wipe HOUNDDAWG - And, BeAFluffer, now that AGAviator has nailed your ass to the outhouse door I think I'll just walk away with my nose in the air, and ROTFLMAO! AGAviator - You pathetic turd. christine - perfect. SKYDRIFTER - Fuck you, BAC! SKYDRIFTER - Take a hint, asshole HOUNDDAWG - Hear Hear! SKYDRIFTER - No one is "begging' - just fucking leave, asshole! Dakmar - Repetition does not make truth, fuck-face.
Then you'll have no problem with me posting. It can only make you folks look even smarter.
No. Unlike you, SKYDRIFTER, I have never tried to sneak onto a forum or post from multiple accounts simultaneously.
Yeah, you do lack imagination and initiative. I'll give you that.
"We" demonstrate the element of integrity which you gave up, long ago. You really suck the big one, BAC!
You know your place, don't you, BAC? You're that bad. Really bad! Now, why don't you be a good lad and just fucking leave? (Ah, your handlers won't let you - okay!)
Exactly one You sure? Yes I'm sure. Add 30,000+ from the Baghdad morgue and another 19,000+ from the Health Ministry which counts hospitals, and what you come with? They break down their 50,000 total right in the middle of the article. Baghdad morgue + Health Ministry = 50,000. At least 50,000, dummy. The 50,000 number that you have been spamming does not include any "at leasts." They may have *visited* morgues, but they did not *count* the totals of the morgues in their 50,000 total that you have been spamming. Any more dumb questions?
scrapper2 - Look oozer I would rather walk into traffic than "give up" to a tardbotshill like yourself. Geez Louise you take yourself so seriously, BAC - this is the net, boy - suck it up or move on - who cares what scrapper says to BeAChooser or vice versa - we don't know each other - how do you cope with real life's ills and real life meanies, I wonder... So you think my comments are impolite? Well, let's do a walk down memory lane and put my comments in context - uh huh, if truth be told, since you inflicted me ( and others) with reams and reams of your BOT weekly standard, newsmax spam, I think most people "out there" in cyberspace and maybe even the judges at the International Court of Justice would rule that my remarks showed remarkable restraint considering what I suffered through this long neverending discussion thread. You're twice my weight ( though half my IQ) so we're even - quit your whining, BAC. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
What bears repeating is that the 50,000 number you've been spamming for months is only one morgue, and some guesstimates by the Iraq Health Ministry covering two years. Furthermore, almost none of those of those bodies that showed up in the Baghdad morgue and the Iraq hospitals were killed by American or Iraqi government soldiers. So you can add deaths caused by Americans and their Iraqi surrogates to that 50,000 number. Reason? Who in his right mind can imagine a military unit killing people, then carefully picking up the bodies, driving across town through potential ambushes with them, then giving them to hospitals amd morgues where it's possible some doctors would discover - or claim to discover- evidence of war crimes in autopsies? Just about anybody who gets killed by military units stays right where he died, unless some relatives or some passers by decide to do something about the bodies laying there. Another reason your 50,000 total is bogus.
I've got a better idea. Every time BeABozo demands proof of something that is factually obvious and should not need any proof - like Iraqi doctors being able to write death certificates - Then, when the item in question is objectively proved beyond any reasonable doubt, BeABozo gets a suspension or a termination. "ROTFLOL!!!"
But for the most part they haven't done that Whenever you get faced with facts you cannot deal with, you bend over backwards to disort what the other person says as I've already pointed out to you several times. Another one of your tricks is to demand further proof when you have been rebutted. You apparently believe that as long as you can post you haven't been rebutted.
Anybody who repeatedly distorts what others say the way you do, and thinks that hundreds of thousands of deaths is funny - as in your incessant, inane "ROTFLOL's" - is a "pathetic turd" beyond any doubt.
If you choose to be a skillful but polite and respectful debater, You mean like these folks? Minerva - starts a thread titled "BeAChooser Bozo Count at 40 Plus and Counting - A Possible Site Record" orangedog - Ignore him to death and he'll fade away like a bad fart. Red Jones - BAC is the guy on the left. Diana - He's a bad egg. Diana - There is no intellect present in an exceedingly dishonest poster with a very questionable agenda. SKYDRIFTER - I've long accused BAC of being queer rowdee - Di, dear lady, just tell the bastard to go fuck himself and get it over with! rowdee - Being the nice sweet lady you are makes this turd-faced jerkoff bolder. IndieTX - Low intellect, psychotic, no talent..paranoid..delusions of grandeur [save the world from kooks] and perhaps, "sexually disoriented" = Chimp = Insane. Nostalgia - The fucker's maniacal with that ROTFLOL! Elliot Jackalope - Just make him a dustmop suit, and let him post in a room that needs the floors cleaned..... SKYDRIFTER - you Mossadite piece of shit, scrapper2 - Eat it. christine - well done, honway. see this is the kind of information which is being exposed because of the sad little specimen of a troll. innieway - "I'M DONE WITH YOUR SATANIST ASS Jethro Tull - Dump his Zionist, blood dancing ass. scrapper2 - I swear, BAC, you continually show yourself to be an unparalleled numbskull. scrapper2 - Look oozer I would rather walk into traffic than "give up" to a tardbotshill like yourself. IndieTX - I think the closet is where he hides his pics of Jeff Gannon. AGAviator - Flock you, troll. SKYDRIFTER - answer the question, Fuck-Head! AGAviator - you illiterate ass-wipe HOUNDDAWG - And, BeAFluffer, now that AGAviator has nailed your ass to the outhouse door I think I'll just walk away with my nose in the air, and ROTFLMAO! AGAviator - You pathetic turd. christine - perfect. SKYDRIFTER - Fuck you, BAC! SKYDRIFTER - Take a hint, asshole HOUNDDAWG - Hear Hear! SKYDRIFTER - No one is "begging' - just fucking leave, asshole! Dakmar - Repetition does not make truth, fuck-face Okay, then, you admit that this is no longer about debate but rather your attempt to get even for wounds to your fragile ego? Assuming I could have secured your agreement to make peace it would be the good people here who would be forgiving you, more than vice versa. I'd be willing to bet that you were obnoxious first, relentlessly and unnecessarily before anyone turned on you. But, I'm not going to research that because your problem is now obvious. And, I had to at least try. You don't bother me and in the end I promise it will be you who is gone, not any of your "tormentors". So, it's your loss that you didn't apologize and allow me to try and make peace on your behalf. Time out is over, people. He's all yours. _________________________________________--- BTW, I had to quote BAC's entire post for the benefit of the dozens of folks who have him Bozo'ed. And, at a place like 4 that is the mark of shame.
There is no evidence that BAC is here to investigate or honestly debate the facts. His history on LP and now here is one of only distortion and disinfo, always siding with the Bush regime and GOP talking points; for example, his two recent threads on the "innocence" of convicted Scooter Libby. Or the smearing of anyone who presents facts that make the Bush regime look bad, like Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski. In this post, rowdee displays the disinfo tactics employed by BAC, to try and make Karen Kwiatkowski appear inaccurate. Since it is unlikely that anyone would waste their time doing this for free, it is a safe assumption that he is a paid shill. On LP, patriots who tried to present the truth were threatened with being "reported" by posters just like BAC. For example, Beckett Saunders, even posted that he was paid to report on posters. So, putting such posters on Bozo, is really very reasonable.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush This thread itself is a perfect example of BeABozo's demagoguery. (S)he has continually repeated assertions about "missing death certificates" ad nauseum complete with the inane "ROTFLOL's" almost any time hundreds of thousands of potential deaths are mentioned. But when a critical piece of factual evidence emerges - namely that his/her most basic assumption that only hospitals and morgues can issue death certificates is totally false - (s)he implies the source is lying and demands proof. With no support from posters, (s)he addresses remarks to a pretend audience of non-posters and claims to be winning the discussion. Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
Actually, I've made it quite clear numerous times that I don't object to the notion the number is twice or even three times that. Just not ten times that number. Because the evidence (and logic) simply does not support that assertion.
Is it factually obvious that the media (including media that is decidedly friendly with the *resistance*) would love nothing better than to show the US slaughtered more than half a million Iraqis and covered it up? Is it factually obvious that the media (including media that is decidely unfriendly to the US) hasn't documented such a slaughter? No photos. No videos. Is it factually obvious that half a million slaughtered Iraqis would fill quite a few cemeteries and mass graves? Is it factually obvious that scores of forensic types in Iraq who are scouring Iraq looking for bodies and graves, many of whom haven't been all that friendly to the US in the past, haven't found any traces of this supposed slaughter? Is it factually obvious that not one named Iraqi doctor has come forward to say they wrote a hundred (or hundreds) of death certificates and never bothered to notify anyone? Is it factually obvious that a slaughter of this magnitude would require significantly depopulating areas of the country where it's claimed the violence has predominantly been? Is it factually obvious that those areas haven't been significantly depopulated or at least no one in the media or any other source has reported that depopulation? Ignoring the fact that you haven't proven anything "beyond any reasonable doubt", much less a little doubt, does that suggestion of yours work both ways? For example, when SKYDRIFTER claims the hole in the pentagon was only 17 or 20 feet in diameter, and photos show that is totally untrue, does he get a suspension or termination? And how about you ... for example, when you insist repeatedly that a certain graph shows housing prices dropping 16 percent in a year, and it doesn't, what happens?
I haven't admitted that. What I did is post quotes that you seem to think are respectful debate. I'll let visitors to FD4UM decide if you are right. A promise? Usually one makes promises when one can guarantee something. Can you guarantee this? Do you have some *in* with FD4UM's management? And why will that happen? Because of my posting factual articles and sound logic that don't follow the FD4UM party line? Because I remain civil in the face of such *respectful* *debators*? Shame? Do you think folks can make good decisions or know the facts when they listen to only half the arguments? ROTFLOL!
Now, robin, that is a complete misrepresentation of my posting history at LibertyPost. I have voiced many disagreements with Bush and the GOP. For starters, I was against their moving on where the crimes of the Clinton Administration and democRAT party are concerned. I even went so far as to accuse Bush and the GOP of being complicit in those crimes by ignoring them. And I've been on opposite sides of the fence in such matters as Campaign Finance Reform, the Senior Drug program, and working with Ted Kennedy to increase spending in schools (when all they do is propagandize children with democRAT ideas). I've been for building a fence along our southern borders to curtail illegal immigration and have made some very negative posts about Bush and the GOP for not doing that. And that's just off the top of my head. To claim that I am "always" siding with Bush and the GOP is only distortion and disinfo ... on your part. More disinfo. Those threads weren't on the "innocence" of Libby. They pointed out that the prosecution of Libby was POLITICALLY motivated, not a matter of law. They show that numerous others have done much worse and not been prosecuted (some would call that selective prosecution which is a violation of our Constitution). Also, those two articles show that others in this case (such as Wilson) actually did lie ... even lied to Congress. And nothing happened. But obviously you missed those little details in your *reading* of the two articles. I didn't smear her. I simply pointed out THE FACT that she claims (based on being there) that the hole in the Pentagon was less than 20 feet across. Yet photos from that day (some of which I posted) clearly show the hole was much, much larger than that. She also claims (based on supposedly being there) that there was no debris from the plane. But again, photos and other eyewitnesses demonstrate that claim is untrue. So when she claims (based again on insider knowledge) that something about Iran is true, are we to believe her? She was inaccurate. Surely you aren't trying to claim the hole in the Pentagon was less than 20 feet across and there was no debris. Because I would be happy to post the photos proving that untrue again. ROTFLOL! You can't handle the notion that others, beside you, care about the truth? Rather than face that possibility, you'd rather believe that *someone* is paying *others* to post on tiny internet forums like FD4UM? ROTFLOL! I never threatened to report anyone, robin. More disinfo BY YOU.
So you think the only folks who read FD4UM are the hundred or so members who occasionally post?
I do believe readers who haven't been around the stage of life could be taken in by such a little tactic as putting in bold a word, phrase, sentence, or paragraph as though that is the point while conveniently omitting anything which completes a person's thought on that particular matter. Imagine that......Disinformation 201. I am reposting the main part of rowdee's post, also highlighting the important part that makes Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski's eyewitness, (for those of you in Rio Linda, that means she was there at the Pentagon on 9/11), account totally believable and accurate. BAC highlighted the previous sentence, which is just another example of his disinfo technique as noted by rowdee in her post.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Why bold that part and not the part about the hole being "no larger than 20 feet in diameter", robin? Are you claiming she remained at the Pentagon for 30 to 40 minutes after the attack and watched the facade collapse? Maybe she did but does this in any way make her "no larger than 20 feet in diameter" hole claim accurate? Does the statement that the roof line remained relatively straight change that claim about hole size in any way? Isn't it the 20 foot diameter claim that is used to assert that a commercial jet didn't hit the Pentagon, not the claim that the facade didn't collapse right away or remained relatively straight? Why bold the part you did, robin? It doesn't seem to me the key claim. Now in case you missed the photos that prove the 20 foot claim is nonsense, here:
I do believe readers who haven't been around the stage of life could be taken in by such a little tactic as putting in bold a word, phrase, sentence, or paragraph as though that is the point while conveniently omitting anything which completes a person's thought on that particular matter. Imagine that......Disinformation 201. I am reposting the main part of rowdee's post, also highlighting the important part that makes Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski's eyewitness, (for those of you in Rio Linda, that means she was there at the Pentagon on 9/11), account totally believable and accurate. BAC highlighted the previous sentence, which is just another example of his disinfo technique as noted by rowdee in her post. Since BAC only highlighted the previous sentence, and rowdee reposted his misleading post, she was counter-balancing that distortion by highlighting what the eyewitness, a Lt.Col. had also observed to show how he deliberately misled people in his "proof" that the Lt.Col. was inaccurate. And in the FULL CONTEXT, SHE WAS MOST ACCURATE. BAC is 100% DISINFO. He only makes my point with every post. BTW, the Scooter Libby threads BAC posted were trying to claim that Scooter was innocent AND that it was politically motivated. More disinfo. In I call for Justice" the author states: I call for justice for Scooter Libby because he has had none in this ridiculous matter. But at whose door do I stand to shout my curses? Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame who cooked up a series of lies to undermine the Administration in the middle of the war? Talk about disinfo on disinfo on disinfo. Where to begin? The facts, the courts, the judge and jury all say Scooter is guilty. The article claims he did not receive justice and then smears Wilson and his wife. Wow! The liars are in our midst trying to claim they haven't just posted disinfo before our very eyes.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Isn't the part about the hole being "no larger than 20 feet in diameter" the heart of her accusation, robin? Afterall, the supposed size of the hole is what makes it being caused by Flight77 *impossible*. Not the fact that that the facade didn't collapse for another 30 minutes or the roof line remained relatively straight. So why are your avoiding that part of her quote, robin? Do you believe the hole is "no larger than 20 feet in diameter"? Do you believe that one could still HONESTLY claim the hole was no larger than 20 feet given all the photos available showing a hole much larger than 20 feet? He did not say he was innocent. He said he didn't get JUSTICE. And there is a difference. Because JUSTICE should be blind. But it clearly wasn't in this case. Or a whole bunch of folks, including Wilson, would now be in jail. Hey robin, here's something for you to consider ... *********** http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGZlYWYwMmVhMTQ1MDhkMWY3Zjc2MWI2NzgxMTVkYTQ= Libby [Bill Bennett] One simple observation about the Libby trial and the celebrations by the media, the Left, and the Joe Wilsons: Now that we have established that no rock and no expense will be left unturned and unspent, that no reporter involved will be left unsubpoenaed for leaking or even purportedly leaking a classified agent's name, when we have some suspicion that a person who works at the CIA might be covert (but turns out not to be): Can we please begin the investigation and subpoenaing of journalists—also known as witnesses to a crime—for leaking classified national-security information in a time of war?! —I'm not making a partisan point, I'm making a serious point about serious breaches of law and public endangerment; I'm not talking about disgruntled spouses with political differences with the president, I'm talking about the disclosure of the most serious war-time planning and procedures to keep our country safe. I'm talking about disclosing the secret detention facilities of high-value terrorists, I'm talking about the disclosure of terrorist surveillance programs, I'm talking about the disclosure of the Treasury Department's SWIFT program that tracked terrorist financing—all of which are now caput because insiders leaked to the press and the press willingly published these classified secrets—-NONE of the programs that were leaked were illegal, all of them were of great value, all of them are over or changed as a result of the disclosure. —Can we please start a serious investigation of those, and by all means subpoena the witnesses, that is to say the reporters. If you can do it to nail bit players in a seemingly innocent disclosure of Valerie Plame's name where her husband started the process, then you can certainly do it over serious anti-terrorism programs that were of the highest level of classification. —As for the import of Libby's conviction and Joe Wilson's allegations? I can't do better than Mark Steyn who wrote yesterday here on The Corner: "an anti-war deputy secretary of an anti-war department leaking to an anti-war reporter the name of an anti-war analyst who got her anti-war husband a job with an anti-war agency is supposedly an elaborate “conspiracy” by Cheney, Rove and the other warmongers. Looked at more prosaically, it’s a freak intersection of bad personnel decisions, which is one of the worst features of this presidency. So many of the Bush administration’s wounds come from its willingness to keep the wrong people in key positions: Tenet should not have been retained at the CIA, Armitage should not have been at State." **********
BAC - You and your freakin' lies! The purported entry hole is approximately 17 feet wide, with a broad range of peripheral damage - none of which allows for a 757 to enter. BAC, you are one slimy and stinking piece of shit!
Show me the entry "hole" bigger than 20 feet. There was a broad range of damage, but the central hole didn't exceed 20 feet. Well, asshole .............. ?
Looking to the purported There is no amount of damage to suggest anything "penetrating," greater than 20 feet. Notice the flames on the floor of the second story - the floor is still there. That also leaves less than 20 feet vertically, to fit the entirety of a 757. BUT - Let's say the wings folded. Did they spring back into shape, after penetrating the facade; like a switch-blade? If not, what caused that damage to the right side; you know, the part that collapsed? There is no forward-moving damage to the portion to the right of the purported entry hole - the damage is lateral. How does one do that, with a 300 Knot 757? C'mon, BAC, you fuck-face; give us your "facts!"
Just curious, SKYDRIFTER ... Which direction do you think the columns in this image have been displaced. To the left or the right?
i'm amused. ;)
boy, did you nail her/him on that one.
Which direction do you think the columns in this image have been displaced. To the left or the right? They are clearly displaced to the left - with no suggestion of 300 knot damage. Add that the obstructions deny that anything hit the columns from the front. Yeah, BAC, you continue to be a fucking LIAR!
The image isn't adequate to tell whether they are also displaced inward. But what would cause them to be displaced to the left, SKYDRIFTER?
But what would cause them to be displaced to the left, SKYDRIFTER? Bullshit, BAC! the columns are clearly not impacted by anything which approaches 300 knots - in any direction. Clearly some internal charges were used, thus the "event" time got displaced to a non-seismic time frame. Two fallen clocks say 9:31 - 9:32.
Internal charges would cause them to displace to the left?
Well, d'oh! The columns (wall panels) damned sure didn't displace to the right, on the right-hand side of the purported entry hole. That is to say, the wall panels, versus the 30-inch reinforced support columns, in the interior. Notice that the damage is at ground level, where the purported aircraft couldn't possibly reach. (Damn, BAC, you sure succeeded in getting this thread off-topic. But, you're still an asshole!)
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#302. To: Christine, Critter, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#301)
it's also apparent to most that he's a collossal waste of time.
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#303. To: christine (#301)
#304. To: SKYDRIFTER (#302)
#305. To: Dakmar, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#304)
#306. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#297)
#307. To: HOUNDDAWG, ALL (#299)
If you choose to be a skillful but polite and respectful debater,
#308. To: christine, ALL (#301)
well said, dak. everyone else but the delusional government toady can see his ass has been kicked a hundred ways to sunday on this forum. it's also apparent to most that he's a collossal waste of time.
#309. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#306)
Say, BAC, there's a "person" with your posting and response style over at ElPee - "Sweetjustusnow;" is that really you?
#310. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#309)
Unlike you, SKYDRIFTER, I have never tried to sneak onto a forum or post from multiple accounts simultaneously.
#311. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#308)
It can only make you folks look even smarter.
#312. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#307)
#313. To: BeAChooser (#290)
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Do you know how many morgues the LA Times included in its total of your 50,000 death certificates you illiterate ass-wipe?
Because I quoted one of the authors of the LATimes story, Borzou Daragahi saying "We went to morgues, cemeteries, hospitals, health officials, and we gathered as many statistics as we could on the actual dead bodies, and the number we came up with around June was about at least 50,000."
MorgueS. With an S.
#314. To: BeAChooser (#307)
scrapper2 - I swear, BAC, you continually show yourself to be an unparalleled numbskull.
#315. To: BeAChooser, scrapper2, christine, skydrifter, Hounddawg (#291)
Here's what bears repeating:
#316. To: SKYDRIFTER, BeAChooser, Christine, scrapper2 (#305)
I'd like to see at least a 30-day suspension for BAC; with the understanding that he'll come back in the "spam-free" mode; or else. If BAC could stay "spam- free" for Goldi, he can do so for the 4-um.
#317. To: BeAChooser, dakmar (#297)
Now FD4UMers could challenge those facts and logic with credible sourced articles and logic of their own.
#318. To: BeAChooser (#307)
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So up yours, twerp [Gritting teeth in attempt to be civil].
#319. To: BeAChooser, christine (#307)
To: HOUNDDAWG, ALL
#320. To: HOUNDDAWG (#319)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#321. To: HOUNDDAWG (#319)
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I'd be willing to bet that you were obnoxious first, relentlessly and unnecessarily before anyone turned on you. But, I'm not going to research that because your problem is now obvious.
#322. To: AGAviator, ALL (#313)
The 50,000 number that you have been spamming does not include any "at leasts."
#323. To: AGAviator, SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#316)
I've got a better idea. Every time BeABozo demands proof of something that is factually obvious and should not need any proof - like Iraqi doctors being able to write death certificates -
Then, when the item in question is objectively proved beyond any reasonable doubt, BeABozo gets a suspension or a termination.
#324. To: HOUNDDAWG, ALL (#319)
Okay, then, you admit that this is no longer about debate but rather your attempt to get even for wounds to your fragile ego?
You don't bother me and in the end I promise it will be you who is gone,
BTW, I had to quote BAC's entire post for the benefit of the dozens of folks who have him Bozo'ed. And, at a place like 4 that is the mark of shame.
#325. To: robin, ALL (#320)
His history on LP and now here is one of only distortion and disinfo, always siding with the Bush regime and GOP talking points;
his two recent threads on the "innocence" of convicted Scooter Libby.
Or the smearing of anyone who presents facts that make the Bush regime look bad, like Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski.
In this post, rowdee displays the disinfo tactics employed by BAC, to try and make Karen Kwiatkowski appear inaccurate.
Since it is unlikely that anyone would waste their time doing this for free, it is a safe assumption that he is a paid shill.
On LP, patriots who tried to present the truth were threatened with being "reported" by posters just like BAC.
#326. To: AGAviator, ALL (#321)
With no support from posters, (s)he addresses remarks to a pretend audience of non-posters and claims to be winning the discussion.
#327. To: All, rowdee (#320)
"I would think that if a 100-plus-ton aircraft constructed of relatively lightweight materials and designed for lift, loaded with passenger seating, luggage, odds and ends and passengers, going several hundred miles an hour were to hit the Pentagon, it would cause a great deal of possibly superficial but visible damage to the wide swath of the side of the building and the entire area of impact. But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the façade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this façade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#328. To: robin, ALL (#327)
"Rather, the façade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this façade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.
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I am reposting the main part of rowdee's post, also highlighting the important part that makes Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski's eyewitness, (for those of you in Rio Linda, that means she was there at the Pentagon on 9/11), account totally believable and accurate.
Left side and center hole damage 
central hole and right side damage 
Right side damage. 
Collage of what the damage looked like pre-collapse 
region impacted compared to size of plane 
light pole damage and damaged columns
#329. To: All (#327)
"I would think that if a 100-plus-ton aircraft constructed of relatively lightweight materials and designed for lift, loaded with passenger seating, luggage, odds and ends and passengers, going several hundred miles an hour were to hit the Pentagon, it would cause a great deal of possibly superficial but visible damage to the wide swath of the side of the building and the entire area of impact. But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the façade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this façade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#330. To: robin, all (#329)
And in the FULL CONTEXT, SHE WAS MOST ACCURATE.
I call for justice for Scooter Libby because he has had none in this ridiculous matter.
#331. To: beachooser (#323)
For example, when SKYDRIFTER claims the hole in the pentagon was only 17 or 20 feet in diameter, and photos show that is totally untrue, does he get a suspension or termination?
#332. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#330)
..... showing a hole much larger than 20 feet?
#333. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#328)
#334. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#333)
There is no forward-moving damage to the portion to the right of the purported entry hole - the damage is lateral.
#335. To: AGAviator (#321)
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
#336. To: AGAviator (#321)
With no support from posters, (s)he addresses remarks to a pretend audience of non-posters and claims to be winning the discussion.
#337. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#334)
#338. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#337)
They are clearly displaced to the left
#339. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#338)
The image isn't adequate to tell whether they are also displaced inward.
#340. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#339)
Clearly some internal charges were used,
#341. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#340)
Internal charges would cause them to displace to the left?
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