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Title: 9/11 Truth: Steven Jones on WTC 7 and Controlled Demolition
Source: 9/11 Truth conference
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJQ2yZfTY0
Published: Feb 20, 2007
Author: Steven Jones
Post Date: 2007-02-20 00:41:08 by robin
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Views: 19610
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Steven Jones speaks at the Chicago 9/11 Steven Jones speaks at the Chicago 9/11 Truth conference (June 2006) about World Trade Center Building 7 and the case for controlled demolition of all three towers. This is just ten minutes from a longer lecture that you can find in its entirety on Google Video here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2436472348579687382

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#152. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#147)

t = 9.23 seconds.

You're talking about a vacuum, right?

I missed the vacuum at the WTC, on 9-11.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-23   1:34:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: SKYDRIFTER (#152)

The semi-vacuum was created by the explosives clearing the way for the building to fall in the time it did. Both of the towers exploded from top down. There must of been tons of explosives in it. Not a normal controlled demolition at all. The show factor for the cameras they knew would be there was apparent.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-23   1:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: BeAChooser, noone222 (#65)

Well said ... especially that part about "philosophical PHD's".

Are you saying you don't know the difference between a PhD in philosophy and a PhD in mathematics?

You think they are the same?

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   8:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: intotheabyss, robin (#87)

I'll mark you down as a vote for shill. (post #83)

I think it's quite possible that he is a shill, that we are supporting him with our tax dollars, although if that is the case I don't understand why they don't plant him at a larger forum such as democratic underground, though possibly one of his co-workers is already stationed there.

Or he could just be some weird guy, it's hard to say.

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   8:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: BeAChooser, RickyJ (#91)

BeAChooser are you a paid shill?

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   8:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Diana (#154)

Are you saying you don't know the difference between a PhD in philosophy and a PhD in mathematics?

Not at all ... I'm saying from the dumbest to the smartest of our society ... ignorance rules the day.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

noone222  posted on  2007-02-23   8:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: BeAChooser, robin, All (#100)

ROTFLOL! I hate to tell you, robin, but Mr Jowenko has specifically stated that the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 were clearly NOT controlled demolitions. because Jowenko appears to have some rather kooky ideas.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   8:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: BeAChooser, innieway (#129)

Let me give you a little help, smart guy.

s = 1/2 g t^^2

WTC 7

750 feet = 1/2 32.2 t^^2 ... t = 6.8 seconds

Did your cohorts at ROFLOL! Command Center give YOU a little help with that??

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   9:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: BeAChooser (#100)

And you might want to check out this

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=63884

because Jowenko appears to have some rather kooky ideas.

The guy then went on the record saying that he thinks that "due to the intelligence operations housed in that building it was brought down by a controlled demolition"

Sounds reasonable to me.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-23   9:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: tom007, BeAChooser (#135)

Wouldn't that be, if H= 417m,

t= (417m*2/9.8m/s^2)1/2, T=9.22?

At least you included your units, he didn't.

He should know better if he is so smart.

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   9:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: RickyJ, tom007, robin, BeAChooser (#144)

Confuse me BAC, you couldn't if you tried. By the way, you are a little off there in that calculation, just a little. LOL!

He also neglected to include all units such as for gravity. Real scientists and engineers always include units in their equations.

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   9:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: noone222 (#157)

Not at all ... I'm saying from the dumbest to the smartest of our society ... ignorance rules the day.

Yes you are right, but I was referring to BeAChooser when I said what I did.

He likes to confuse issues, or tries to.

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   9:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Diana (#155)

though possibly one of his co-workers is already stationed there.

Or he could just be some weird guy, it's hard to say.

Based on the standards of what is considered a normal human, if he is the first than he certainly also fits the last.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-23   11:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Diana (#159)

Did your cohorts at ROFLOL! Command Center give YOU a little help with that??

My first thoughts when I read his post.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-23   11:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: intotheabyss, Diana (#165)

Did your cohorts at ROFLOL! Command Center give YOU a little help with that??

My first thoughts when I read his post.

Perfect Diana!

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)

robin  posted on  2007-02-23   11:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: RickyJ, Critter Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#153)

The semi-vacuum was created by the explosives clearing the way for the building to fall in the time it did.

Not all floors were 'blown.' The falling floors would have - if anything - created a compressed air cushion below, slowing the collapse, add the physical resistance of the lower structure; particularly the outer shell.

Thus, only controlled demolition of the core 47 steel columns in each of the towers could have provided the documented free-fall rate.

WTC-7 is similar; requiring controlled demolition.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-23   12:23:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: SKYDRIFTER (#167)

Thus, only controlled demolition of the core 47 steel columns in each of the towers could have provided the documented free-fall rate.

It almost feels silly arguing this anymore. It equates to arguing - Why do kids have to buy bigger clothes as they get older. Do the clothes shrink or do the kids get bigger?

It really is that obvious to any non-shill with an IQ above that of a moron.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-23   12:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: SKYDRIFTER (#167)

Not all floors were 'blown.'

I think they were, or otherwise there would have been some concrete in the pile that was more than just dust.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-23   12:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: intotheabyss, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#168)

It almost feels silly arguing this anymore.

I agree. BUT - if the troll (BAC) is being continuously fed, it has to be re- hashed. Otherwise BAC's disinformation tactics become effective.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-23   12:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: innieway (#150)

A real life practical building. I've done it.

Or so you claim.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   12:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: RickyJ, ALL (#153)

Both of the towers exploded from top down. There must of been tons of explosives in it. Not a normal controlled demolition at all.

You said this was obvious.

I even seem to recall you calling (over at LP) structural engineers around the world morons for not seeing this.

Is that what they are, Ricky? Morons?

ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   12:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Diana, ALL (#154)

"Well said ... especially that part about "philosophical PHD's"."

Are you saying you don't know the difference between a PhD in philosophy and a PhD in mathematics?

You think they are the same?

You didn't the joke? Lighten up, Diana. ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   12:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: BeAChooser (#172)

I even seem to recall you calling (over at LP) structural engineers around the world morons for not seeing this.

Yep, they sure the heck are. When the truth is revealed see how many contracts they get then to build even an outhouse!

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-23   12:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: BeAChooser (#172)

Is that what they are, Ricky? Morons?

Or shills.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, Bush is President

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-23   13:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#173)

Only controlled demolition of the core 47 steel columns in each of the towers could have provided the documented free-fall rate.

Deal with it, BAC!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-23   13:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Diana, ALL (#156)

BeAChooser are you a paid shill?

Don't be silly, Diana.

Do you honestly think they'd pay anyone a living wage to worry about the nonsense spouted here at FD4UM?

ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   13:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: BeAChooser (#177) (Edited)

Do you honestly think they'd pay anyone a living wage to worry about the nonsense spouted here at FD4UM?

Yes, I do believe our government which prints money at a furious pace now that M3 money supply is no longer being reported can afford to pay whatever it takes to help keep the lid on the truth of 9/11 from reaching the general population.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-23   13:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Diana, ALL (#158)

Diana supposedly quoting me - ROTFLOL! I hate to tell you, robin, but Mr Jowenko has specifically stated that the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 were clearly NOT controlled demolitions. because Jowenko appears to have some rather kooky ideas.

Why'd you leave out what I wrote between "demolitions." and "because"? When you leave out something you should probably note it with a "... skip ..." so folks don't get confused by your posts.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   13:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: BeAChooser (#179)

Why'd you leave out what I wrote between "demolitions." and "because"?

ROTFLOL!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-02-23   13:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: RickyJ (#178)

Yes, I do believe our government which prints money at a furious pace now that M3 money supply is no longer being reported can afford to pay whatever it takes to help keep the lid on the truth of 9/11 from reaching the general population.

Could explain why they have been printing so much money since 9/11.

They go into detail in the International Forecaster (Robert Chapman) on how M3 is no longer being reported and how much money the printing presses have been churning out.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, Bush is President

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-23   13:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: Diana, tom007, RickyJ, ALL (#161)

tom007 - Wouldn't that be, if H= 417m,

tom007 - t= (417m*2/9.8m/s^2)1/2, T=9.22?

At least you included your units, he didn't.

He should know better if he is so smart.

As I noted to tom007, I meant exactly what I wrote:

417 meters * 2 = 1/2 9.8 t^^2 ... t = 13.05 seconds

because I was dealing with the case of a tower TWICE as tall as the WTC towers.

And you'll note that the answer demonstrates that RickyJ (who once labeled anyone who can't see that the WTC tower collapses are demolitions a moron) was wrong when he claimed it would take 16.31 seconds.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   13:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Diana, ALL (#162)

Real scientists and engineers always include units in their equations.

No, Diana, real scientists and engineers know how to use the equations to get the answer right.

And they don't think bombs brought down the WTC and damaged the Pentagon.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   13:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: intotheabyss, RickyJ, SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#168)

SKYDRIFTER - Thus, only controlled demolition of the core 47 steel columns in each of the towers could have provided the documented free-fall rate.

It really is that obvious to any non-shill with an IQ above that of a moron.

Ahhh ... another who, like RickyJ, must think that 99.99999 percent of the structural engineers, demolition experts and macro-world physicists in the world are morons. ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   13:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: BeAChooser (#184)

Refer to post #175

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, Bush is President

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-23   13:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: beachooser, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#184)

Ahhh ... another who, like RickyJ, must think that 99.99999 percent of the structural engineers, demolition experts and macro-world physicists in the world are morons. ROTFLOL!

Common sense doesn't require a degree, BAC.

Deal with it!

(Asshole.)

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-23   14:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: BeAChooser (#183)

No, Diana, real scientists and engineers know how to use the equations to get the answer right.

you didn't get my point obviously from the post above.

When you wrote 9.8 pertaining to gravity you didn't write m/s (meters per second) like tom007 did. One must always include units. Otherwise it's considered sloppy.

Diana  posted on  2007-02-23   16:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: BeAChooser, Diana (#184)

I think Diana has an extremely good point in 187. She knows a real scientist from a fake scientist. I happen to remember that she married a scientist. You BAC are NOT a scientist. you failed to put down the meters per second designation and without that designation it is meaningless and you are very sloppy.

This just about dis-proves everything you've said on these subjects once & 4all.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-02-23   16:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: BeAChooser (#179)

HE VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT WTC7 IS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!!!!!

WHY DO YOU IGNORE THAT!!!

He based his opinion on the videos alone. If he had all the evidence, of the explosions heard by the firefighters, the seismic spikes before WTC1 and WTC2 fell, for example, he would have a different explanation.

If just one of the buildings was a demolition, then it proves the government was involved. It takes weeks in advance to wire a building.

Can you deny that!?!?

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)

robin  posted on  2007-02-23   17:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Diana, RickyJ, innieway, ALL (#187)

Otherwise it's considered sloppy.

No, Diana.

Sloppy is claiming to have an engineering degree and then claiming it would take an object, freefalling from the twice the height of the WTC, 16.31 seconds to reach the ground.

Sloppy is claiming an expertise in steel and then claiming steel structural members are stronger in compression than tension.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   18:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Red Jones, Diana, RickyJ, ALL (#188)

She knows a real scientist from a fake scientist.

I haven't claimed to be a scientist, Red.

I happen to remember that she married a scientist.

Well I suggest she ask her husband who got the right answer in that calculation. RickyJ or I?

You BAC are NOT a scientist.

You don't know anything about me, Summa Cum Laude.

But I know you believe in a lot of demonstrable nonsense. For whatever reason.

you are very sloppy.

Especially when I eat at Carl's Jr. ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   19:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: robin, ALL (#189)

HE VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT WTC7 IS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!!!!!

WHY DO YOU IGNORE THAT!!!

And he very clearly doesn't believe that WTC1 or WTC2 are controlled demolitions.

Why do you ignore that?

If he had all the evidence, of the explosions heard by the firefighters,

You mean loud noised interpreted as explosions.

the seismic spikes before WTC1 and WTC2 fell

There were NO seismic spikes before WTC1 and WTC2 fell (other than those associated with the aircraft impacts). Don't you believe Lerner-Lam?

If just one of the buildings was a demolition, then it proves the government was involved. It takes weeks in advance to wire a building.

Not according to Mr Jowenko. You did watch the video, didn't you?

ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-23   19:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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