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Title: 9/11 Truth: Steven Jones on WTC 7 and Controlled Demolition
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJQ2yZfTY0
Published: Feb 20, 2007
Author: Steven Jones
Post Date: 2007-02-20 00:41:08 by robin
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From Halifaxion Steven Jones speaks at the Chicago 9/11 Steven Jones speaks at the Chicago 9/11 Truth conference (June 2006) about World Trade Center Building 7 and the case for controlled demolition of all three towers. This is just ten minutes from a longer lecture that you can find in its entirety on Google Video here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2436472348579687382
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#76. To: christine (#70)
I almost hate to admit it but I'm having too much fun. :P
That is an excellent screen name for you. But you should omit the spaces.
Also from the contest rules: The videos and seismic records show that the time of one structure's destruction was approximately 8.4 seconds though the complete settling of the building lasted slightly longer, perhaps as long as 12 seconds, The towers took well in excess of 8.4 seconds to collapse to ground level. Photos taken ten seconds into the event show that alumimum cladding and sections of outer columns that are free falling outside the periphery of the towers have not yet reached the ground and are well ahead of the collapsing level of the tower. Videos also prove this. You will never find the truth, robin, on a foundation of misinformation.
There were 3 buildings, the times are slightly different. They all fell close to free fall. Give up supporting the liars, the truth will set you free.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush WTC 1 and WTC 2 did not collapse at free fall rates. You will never find the truth on a foundation of lies.
Yes that would make them evil if they really thought that the towers were brought down with a explosives yet would not admit it. However it could be that they are not evil, but rather stupid. I think you give structural engineers way too much credit for being smart. The ones I know aren't exactly rocket scientists.
God is always good! That is untrue. WTC 1 and WTC 2 did NOT collapse at *close* to free fall velocity. In fact, at free fall velocities, towers more than twice as high could have collapsed in the same amount of time as the observed collapse. You will never find the truth if you start with misinformation.
We should have a vote, not on booting BAC(he is too much fun) but on why he hold the beliefs that he does. What do you guys think? Is he just seriously mentally challenged? Is he psychologically challenged (troll)? Is he a shill through and through? Or is he a combination of several of these?
The exposives detonating are visible in small plumes of smoke from the sides of the buildings, just under the line of fall. There is a name for this in the demolition industry, that is so well acquainted with them. http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/explosives.html
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush So you have no specialty. What do you yo do all day, post propaganda for your evil masters? You have shown very little ability to reason, you rely on idiots to think for you, and are quite frankly a bore. You can roll on the floor and laugh for your evil masters all day, maybe they will give you a treat.
God is always good! That's my vote.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush I'll mark you down as a vote for shill. (post #83)
A pancake fall, each floor hitting the one under it, would have taken much longer than times recorded. These building fell like a demolition, especially WTC7, which was never hit, and had only very small fires. They look like a demolition, they have explosives going off, just under the line of fall, just like a demolition; they are demolitions.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Is he a shill through and through? That's my vote. That's two for shill, do I have any more votes?
He's a paid shill.
God is always good! No, what is visible is air, compressed by the collapse, blowing out windows below the line of fall. You do know that the building was 95 percent air? Where do you think that air went as the building collapsed, robin? Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.
Doesn't exactly take an expert in structures to see that this is a demolition. BTW, what is your specialty BeAChooser? Or do you have one? God is always good! I tend to feel the same. That's why I enjoy his presence so much. We get to see first hand how the vermin work (I would say think, but we all know they are not allowed or are not capable of that luxury).
That's a lie.
God is always good! That's a lie. Yes it is. Start with this one: Controlled Demolition Expert and WTC7 (original subtitles)
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Based on your expertise? Not true. The building was hit by debris and firement who were there said the fires were large and that they could tell early on that the structure was going to collapse. Then why hasn't a single demolition expert in the ENTIRE WORLD said this?
And the name of a demolition expert who has said they were controlled demolitions? Here's the name of some who say they weren't.
You're the liar BAC. Stop working for the traitors to this once great nation.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush That’s why the separation between the puffs is so symmetrical (several windows unaffected between each puff) all the way down the building. Yea, yea, that makes total sense. ;) As the velocity of the building increases so does the build up of your so called pressure. So as the building got closer to the ground we should have seen less space between each puff and if your BS was reasonable it would happen at all the windows, not select spacing. Remember... The windows are of the same design, not several being thicker then a thin one, then several being thicker, then a thin one. Come on, come up with something better than that.
ROTFLOL! I hate to tell you, robin, but Mr Jowenko has specifically stated that the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 were clearly NOT controlled demolitions. http://screwloosechangedebunked.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/not-a-single-demolition-firm/ "The Jowenko video on youtube is edited to show Jowenko’s reaction to the WTC7 collapse which he does indeed opine is a CD. However the portion of the show where Jowenko states that WTC 1 and 2 were clearly NOT CD has been edited out." And didn't you know that Jowenko based his opinion about WTC7 SOLELY on a video tape supplied by conspiracists and that he didn’t know that it happened on 9/11, didn’t know the building was on fire, and didn't know that firemen had observed the structure leaning long before the collapse and were sure it would collapse? And you might want to check out this http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=63884 because Jowenko appears to have some rather kooky ideas. You will never find the truth on a foundation of misinformation, robin.
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Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush You are only embarrassing yourself and discrediting this forum, robin.
Until tomorrow, I've had my fun for today toying with the shill. Keep hammering ;)
But the velocity of collapse doesn't continue increasing all the way to the ground. In fact, it reaches a steady state very early in the collapse. You will not find the truth on a foundation of misinformation.
HE VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT WTC7 IS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!!!!! WHY DO YOU IGNORE THAT!!! He based his opinion on the videos alone. If he had all the evidence, of the explosions heard by the firefighters, for example, he would have a different explanation. If just one of the buildings was a demolition, then it proves the government was involved. It takes weeks in advance to wire a building. Can you deny that!?!?
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush This nation sad to say is slipping (see below)
Pure projection. No one has blocked my posts. How many have you on bozo now?
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush WTC1 and WTC2 weres no ordinary demolitions. http://www.rense.com/general67/9118.htm http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html THE EXPERTS SPEAK OUT Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told the American Free Press, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated." According to Lerner-Lam, "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small." A "sharp spike of short duration" is how seismologist Thorne Lay of Univ. of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground explosion appears on a seismograph. Another seismologist, Won-Young Kim, stated that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. These blasts are caused by 80,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2. Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the huge towers. ------------ A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Did you notice the interviewer tell Jowenko that Silverstein said "pull it down"? That's untrue, isn't it, robin. Perhaps that's an indication that the interviewer wasn't entirely honest or forthcoming with Mr Jowenko? Did you notice Jowenko estimate it would take 30 to 40 men to bring down WTC 7 in the time that was available (after the impact)? Any evidence at all that 30 or 40 men were there busy doing that? Any reports by ANYONE? Oh wait, a little later he says it was more work than 30 men. And then after being told the building was on fire says he doesn't know how long. How many, robin? Did you notice Jowenko telling the interviewer that the smoke coming up from the bottom of WTC 7 were NOT charges? Oh well, there goes another conspiracy theory. Did you notice Jowenko saying repeatedly, "I don't know the building"? Did you notice him saying he didn't follow the government reports (referring to FEMA's report on the WTC)? Did you notice all the wild speculations by Jowenko about insurance companies and America? Did you notice that the speculation here is that Silverstein brought down WTC 7 because it would be too expensive to fix. Not that it was part of some massive government conspiracy. Did you notice Jowenko saying that Bush was actually rather brave to stand on the rubble at the WTC so soon after the collapse? You will never find the truth on a foundation of disinformation, robin.
Here's the name of some who say they weren't. Here is one of your "experts" at NIST. What a joke these idiots are. Tell me, do they pay you well Chooser? God is always good! And according to the link I supplied, he stated that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were NOT controlled demolitions. Why do you ignore THAT? Afterall, my challenge was for rickyj (and now you) to provide the name of one demolition expert who claims WTC 1 and WTC 2 were brought down by explosives. I said nothing about WTC 7. And you and ricky called me a liar to claim no demolition expert has said WTC1 and WTC2 are controlled demolitions. But you haven't provided the name of an expert who has said that. Do you have one or not? If not, you owe me an apology.
False. Romero stated quite clearly why he retracted his first impression that the destruction was a demolition. He said he changed his story after looking at more detailed videos and the rest of the information that was gathered. Futhermore, Romero is NOT an demolition expert. Here is his resume: ************* http://infohost.nmt.edu/~red/van.html "Van D. Romero, Ph.D. ... snip ... Current Employment Since 1997: Vice President for Research and Economic Development, New Mexico Tech., Serves as chief official of the Research and Economic Development Division responsible for the encouragement, leadership, and support of research at the Institute and for the administrative and policy making activities of the division; offers dynamic research and administrative leadership to stimulate, coordinate, and provide support for the research at New Mexico Tech; acts as advocate for research within the Institute; serves as director of the Geophysical Research Center; manages the research support functions of the Research Division; serves as the Institute's representative and on-campus administrator for the Waste-Management Education and Research Consortium; acts as an external advocate and representative for New Mexico Tech's research activities; serves as mentor to new faculty to help them establish their research programs at the Institute; strongly encourages diversity and affirmative action; identifies research opportunities and actively encourages development of interdisciplinary research at the institute; ensures that high quality proposals are submitted by the Institute." Previous Experience 1995-1997: Director, Energetic Materials Research & Testing Center, Direct and manage a multi-disciplinary team of scientists, engineers, and staff involved in RDT&E programs in energetic materials. EMRTC provides a working laboratory for conducting research in support of both government and commercial programs in the areas of ordnance, explosives, propellants and other energetic materials. Facilities include over 30 separate test sites, gun ranges and research labs located within a 32 square mile field laboratory. Developed and implemented counter-terrorist program that benefits research and academic programs. 1994 - 1995: Senior Member Technical Staff, Sandia National Lab, Albuquerque, NM. Conducted Environmental Impact Assessment for Medical Isotope Production program. Program consisted of converting weapons program facility to produce radio-isotopes for medical usage. 1993 - 1994: Deputy Director of Environmental, Safety and Health Oversight; Manager, Hazardous Waste Programs, Superconducting Super Collider, Dallas, TX. Developed and implemented radiation protection policies compatible with DOE orders and CFR regulations, performed liaison activities with DOE, and provided technical direction to radiation and hazardous waste program. Responsible for the development and review of radiation transport calculations, shielding design, health physics procedures, mixed waste procedures, and environmental monitoring activities. Served as Chairman of the Laboratory's ALARA committee and member of DOE's R&D Laboratory Working Group (RADWG) Health Physics Procedures Committee. Responsible for RCRA compliance during project closure. 1979 - 1993: Manager, Thermal Hydraulic Programs, General Electric Knolls Atomic Power Lab, Schenectady, NY. Responsible for both the technical and personnel management of the group. Key participant in the long term planning and direction of both the research and the facilities construction and maintenance. Group responsibilities included thermodynamic and materials testing and analysis of fuel channels, steam generators, and in-core materials. This work determined the thermodynamic limits for the nuclear reactor which will power the next generation submarine scheduled for delivery at the turn of the century. In previous work as Lead Engineer, was responsible for the experimental fluid mechanics effort and developed LASER instrumentation and techniques for flow visualization and quantitative flow measurements. Additional experience includes the development, execution, and analysis of environmental impact testing of nuclear sub marines which includes radiation transport analysis, neutron detection, and gamma ray spectroscopy." Current Funded Research Activities * Experimental verification of the alpha-omega effect for galaxy formation with Los Alamos National Laboratories. Courses Taught * Graduate and undergraduate courses in Solid State Physics and Particle Physics for the Physics Department Patents Held * Procedure to study Bubble Evolution by correcting scattered LASER light and dynamic pressure signals ********** So we learn that at the time of 9/11 he wasn't even working in the field of explosives. We learn that for ONLY 2 or 3 years he ran a group that focused on ordnance, explosives and energetic materials ... and not so much the effects of them on structures but the characteristics of the explosives themselves. Certainly there is no mention of him or any organization he worked for working on explosive demolition of structures or buildings. And we learn that prior to 1995, he conducted Environmental Impact Assessments, implemented radiation protection policies and investigated thermodynamic limits for the nuclear reactors. That's hardly the resume of the explosives, demolition and structures *expert* you want him to be. In fact take a look at his publications. You won't find one word about demolition or structures in those titles. And hardly a mention of explosives. You seem to live in a world of misinformation, robin. Not a good foundation for finding the truth.
That proves nothing but that he is an idiot. Notice how shocked he was when it was pointed out to him that the building he just said was brought down with a controlled demolition was one that collapsed in New York on 9/11. You could literally see the fear in his eyes. He was clearly shaken up realizing he just made himself a target of the same people he was trying to avoid making mad. The perpetrators of 9/11. The guy is a coward and a idiot. Too dumb to know that WTC7 even collapsed on 9/11.
God is always good! But wait!!! I thought you folks have been telling us all along that they look just like other demolitions. ROTFLOL! Christopher Boyle, the hack journalist for AFP, lied and distorted the facts repeatedly in his articles about the WTC collapse and seismic data. Would you like to see what Lerner-Lam believes, robin? Here is what he told Popular Mechanics: "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context." You will never find the true by quoting misinformation, robin. Now Mark Loizeaux is an honest to gosh demolition expert. And he says categorically that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were not controlled demolitions. You really should read this, robin: http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html IndieTX won't because he bozo'd himself. But you should ... if you want a foundation based on actual facts.
The guy is another idiot. You seem to love to quote idiots, I guess that makes you a super idiot.
God is always good!
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#77. To: BeAChooser (#72)
foundation of lies.
#78. To: robin, ALL (#73)
13) Entrants must prove how the trade towers steel structure was broken apart without explosives in 8.4 seconds.
Was broken apart, not reach ground level.
Try again.
#79. To: BeAChooser (#78)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#80. To: intotheabyss, ALL (#74)
The repeated resistance (yes it does exist no matter how dumb you are) of 440 tons+ (plus all the other material involved)of inertial starting at zero velocity would slow the fall a hell of a lot more than free fall.
#81. To: BeAChooser (#67)
Are you saying the structural engineers at BYU know that it was a controlled demolition that killed about 3000 Americans but aren't saying word one about that because of the all mighty dollar? Why that would make them truly EVIL, wouldn't it, Diana?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#82. To: robin, ALL (#79)
There were 3 buildings, the times are slightly different. They all fell close to free fall.
#83. To: robin, RickyJ, Diana, Christine, Kamala, Robin, Skydrifter, intotheabyss, Corn Flake Girl, Tom007, Jethro Tull, Critter, Scrapper2, Aristeides, Honway, angle, Lodwick, Noone222, Indie TX, BTP Holdings, ALL (#79)
#84. To: RickyJ, BeAChooser (#81)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#85. To: BeAChooser (#80)
(Edited)
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#86. To: intotheabyss (#83)
Is he a shill through and through?
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#87. To: RickyJ (#85)
You can roll on the floor for you evil masters all day, maybe they will give you a treat.
#88. To: BeAChooser (#82)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#89. To: robin (#86)
#90. To: intotheabyss (#83)
Is he a shill through and through?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#91. To: robin, ALL (#84)
The exposives detonating are visible in small plumes of smoke from the sides of the buildings, just under the line of fall.
There is a name for this in the demolition industry, that is so well acquainted with them.
#92. To: BeAChooser (#91)
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#93. To: RickyJ (#90)
He's a paid shill.
#94. To: BeAChooser (#91)
Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#95. To: RickyJ, BeAChooser, *9-11* (#94)
Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#96. To: robin, ALL (#88)
A pancake fall, each floor hitting the one under it, would have taken much longer than times recorded.
These building fell like a demolition, especially WTC7, which was never hit, and had only very small fires.
They look like a demolition, they have explosives going off, just under the line of fall, just like a demolition; they are demolitions.
#97. To: RickyJ, ALL (#94)
Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.
That's a lie.
#98. To: BeAChooser (#96)
(Edited)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#99. To: BeAChooser, robin, RickyJ, Diana, Christine, Kamala, Robin, Skydrifter, intotheabyss, Corn Flake Girl, Tom007, Jethro Tull, Critter, Scrapper2, Aristeides, Honway, angle, Lodwick, Noone222, Indie TX, BTP Holdings, ALL (#91)
No, what is visible is air, compressed by the collapse, blowing out windows below the line of fall. You do know that the building was 95 percent air?
#100. To: robin, rickyj, ALL (#95)
Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.
That's a lie.
Yes it is.
Start with this one:
Controlled Demolition Expert and WTC7 (original subtitles)
#101. To: All (#95)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#102. To: robin, ALL (#98)
You're the liar BAC. Stop working for the traitors to this once great nation.
#103. To: robin (#101)
#104. To: intotheabyss, ALL (#99)
As the velocity of the building increases so does the build up of your so called pressure.
#105. To: BeAChooser (#100)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#106. To: robin (#101)
#107. To: BeAChooser (#102)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#108. To: BeAChooser (#100)
On Sept 14, a demolition expert who works for the Pentagon, professor Van Romero, said that upon his viewing of the collapse videos, he believed that it was a controlled demolition. Prof Romero later retracted his statement in mysterious circumstances, refusing to say why and refusing to offer any alternative scenario, simply saying that he wasn't prepared to say what did or didn't happen, and didn't want to talk about it anymore.
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#109. To: BeAChooser (#108)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#110. To: robin, ALL (#101)
Extended version available here:
#111. To: BeAChooser (#97)
(Edited)
And the name of a demolition expert who has said they were controlled demolitions?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#112. To: robin, rickyj, ALL (#105)
HE VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT WTC7 IS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!!!!!
WHY DO YOU IGNORE THAT!!!
#113. To: robin, ALL (#108)
On Sept 14, a demolition expert who works for the Pentagon, professor Van Romero, said that upon his viewing of the collapse videos, he believed that it was a controlled demolition. Prof Romero later retracted his statement in mysterious circumstances, refusing to say why and refusing to offer any alternative scenario, simply saying that he wasn't prepared to say what did or didn't happen, and didn't want to talk about it anymore.
* Develop groundwater activation model that can be used to optimize the design for acceleration production of tritium with DOE.
* Seismic source investigation, modeling and characterization of currently deployed explosive sources, design and computational testing of improved explosive sources, experimental verification and validation of improved sources - Western Geophysical (students - recruiting, post-doc and graduate in Geophysics).
* Resusable blast test fixture, investigate explosive impact on wide-body aircraft with FAA.
* Course in Explosives Surety for the Chemical Engineering Department
#114. To: BeAChooser (#112)
And according to the link I supplied, he stated that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were NOT controlled demolitions.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#115. To: robin, IndieTX, ALL (#109)
WTC1 and WTC2 weres no ordinary demolitions.
Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told the American Free Press, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated." According to Lerner-Lam, "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small."
A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc.
American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.
#116. To: BeAChooser (#115)
"There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
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