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Title: Guantánamo captives can't sue in U.S. courts
Source: Miami Herald
URL Source: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16742874.htm
Published: Feb 20, 2007
Author: Carol Rosenberg
Post Date: 2007-02-20 20:12:01 by scrapper2
Keywords: habeas corpus, Guantánamo detainees, federal appeals panel ruling
Views: 181
Comments: 14

Setting the stage for a U.S. Supreme Court showdown, a federal appeals panel sided 2-1 with the Bush administration Tuesday and denied Guantánamo Bay captives the right to challenge their detention in lower federal courts.

The Justice Department hailed the decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia as a victory in its campaign to close the files on hundreds of Guantánamo captives' challenges at the U.S. District Court in the nation's capital.

Amnesty International USA urged Congress to quickly pass new legislation that would effectively reverse the decision, and attorneys for detainees urged the Supreme Court to take up the issue promptly.

''Federal courts have no jurisdiction in these cases,'' Judge A. Raymond Randolph wrote for himself and Judge David B. Sentelle. Two successive acts of Congress, they said, had sufficiently stripped detainees of traditional recourse to the writ of habeas corpus.

''The arguments are creative but not cogent. To accept them would be to defy the will of Congress,'' Randolph wrote for the two men, who were appointed to the court by Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

Congress, when led by the Republicans, twice passed legislation that stripped so-called enemy combatants of their right to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts -- the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

Both were in response to successive Supreme Court rulings that favored detainee rights. One found Guantánamo subject to U.S. legal jurisdiction; another sided with Osama bin Laden's driver against the Pentagon's first formula for a war court at Guantánamo.

Now the Democrat-led Congress is crafting new legislation that would restore oversight to civilian courts.

And, in parallel, the Pentagon is pressing forward with plans to try the driver, Salim Hamdan, 36, of Yemen and two other enemy combatants by military commission at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

In her dissent, Judge Judith W. Rogers, a Clinton appointee, said the Pentagon had failed to create a fair substitute outside the federal courts where captives held without charge could challenge their detention.

''While judgments of military necessity are entitled to deference by the courts and while temporary custody during wartime may be justified in order to properly process those who have been captured,'' she said, ``the executive has had ample opportunity during the past five years during which the detainees have been held at Guantánamo Bay to determine who is being held and for what reason.''

Civil liberties lawyers reacted with alarm to the majority decision.

''Habeas corpus is a right that was enshrined in the Magna Carta to prevent kings from indefinitely and arbitrarily detaining anyone they chose,'' said Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, which represents many detainees. ``The combined actions of the Bush administration, the previous Congress and two of the three judges today have taken us back 900 years and granted the right of kings to the president.''

Under the current U.S. law, the appeals court has only limited power to look over the Pentagon's shoulder: to review findings by a military panel at Guantánamo that a captive met the minimum definition to be declared an enemy combatant.

The Pentagon says it currently holds approximately 395 detainees at Guantánamo but does not provide precise figures.

The Pentagon prosecutor has said a portion of them -- perhaps 80 men and teens -- could be charged under Congress' newest formula for a war-crimes court, called a military commission.

Although the Bush administration is seeking to thin its Guantánamo population through repatriations and transfers to other nations' jails, the rest could be held indefinitely and without charge until a U.S. administration declares an end to the war on terrorism.

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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0) (Edited)

Congress, when led by the Republicans, twice passed legislation that stripped so-called enemy combatants of their right to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts -- the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

Future scenario: You are a government employee who has witnessed illegal activity on the part of one of the main political parties. Members of the CIA/FBI/DHS/take your pick gain access to your home via the patriot act and plant evidence. They then use this evidence to declare you an enemy combatant. According to the above ruling, you go ditrectly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 and you have absolutely no recourse. You sit and rot in some detention center in some 21st century version of the Man in the Iron Mask.

Actually, since they can hold you indefinitely and without charge, they wouldn't even have to go through motions of planting evidence. They can just wave their hand and say "walla: you are an enemy combatant".

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-02-20   20:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: scrapper2, bluedogtxn, aristeides, Fred Mertz (#0)

The Pentagon prosecutor has said a portion of them -- perhaps 80 men and teens -- could be charged under Congress' newest formula for a war-crimes court, called a military commission.

Any ideas about how much justice they will receive?

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)

robin  posted on  2007-02-20   20:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

There's an article in the current Vanity Fair about LCDR Swift (Hamdan's military defense lawyer) that doesn't give me much confidence that the military commissions will be fair. Quite the contrary.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-02-20   22:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hayek Fan (#1)

Future scenario

Why would you call this a future scenario?

This is the state of the law in the present tense.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-02-21   10:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#2)

Any ideas about how much justice they will receive?

None.

Look, Robin. There is a fundamental truth here that we have been somewhat reluctant, even here, to look at.

Habeas Corpus was established by arms. Every right that's been stripped by this Refucklican congress or jotted away by the Refucklican president was originally gained to the people by arms.

Nobody guaranteed you, when you were born into this world, that you would be free from the obligation to restore those rights, by arms if need be. The tree of liberty is dying. It needs refreshing.

More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that the means of refreshing it are inevitably going to be the same as we've used before.

The blood of patriots.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-02-21   10:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluedogtxn (#5)

If we don't find a way, foreign nations will. They can't let a bunch of retarded thugs continue to keep rocking the boat.

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)

robin  posted on  2007-02-21   10:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bluedogtxn (#5)

i think there's more of us, even here, who have come to that same conclusion than you realize, blue.

christine  posted on  2007-02-21   10:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin, christine (#6) (Edited)

If we don't find a way, foreign nations will.

We've already got a foreign nation dictating how we run Washington D (dictator's) C (camp).

We're across the sea and far away from the nations that could "exert pressure" to rein us in, and as we're seeing with the way we've handled Iraq and are about to learn vis Iran, attacking a country only cements the hold that wackos and extremists have within it. That lesson may be one that is perpetually lost on us, but other nations are smart enough to pick up on it.

We may face repeated foreign humiliations, but the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans still pretty much rule out the possibility of a foreign invasion.

I think we are on our own.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-02-21   11:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: scrapper2, Critter, Christine, Brian S, Aristeides, Honway, Robin, Diana, All (#0)

Enter the Supreme Court!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-02-21   11:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: bluedogtxn (#8)

We've already got a foreign nation dictating how we run Washington D (dictator's) C (camp).

Yes, that's the underlying problem.

Regarding domestic policy, we're on our own, but I don't know how much more of our foreign policy the neighboring nations will continue to ignore.

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)

robin  posted on  2007-02-21   11:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SKYDRIFTER (#9)

Enter the Supreme Court!

LOL!

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-02-21   11:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: scrapper2 (#0)

The two judges in the majority in Boumendiene have produced a totally dishonest opinion.

To reach their intermediate step of concluding that the Suspension Clause of the Constitution only guarantees against suspension (if the exceptions do not apply) such habeas corpus rights as existed in 1789, the two judges rely on the Supreme Court's opinion in St. Cyr. However, what the Supreme Court in fact said in St. Cyr was: "at the absolute minimum, the Suspension Clause protects the writ as it existed in 1789." The two judges, by leaving out the qualifying phrase "at the absolute minimum," misrepresented what the Supreme Court said.

Then, in concluding what in fact habeas rights were in 1789, again misquoted, this time Lord Mansfield in Rex v. Cowle. Mansfield said habeas would not extend "[t]o foreign dominions, which belong to a prince who succeeds to the throne of England." The two judges in Boumediene left out the "which" clause, so that they made Mansfield deny that habeas extended to all foreign dominions. But that is certainly not what Mansfield said.

One such misquotation might just have been careless. Two of them were almost certainly willful.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2007-02-21   11:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: aristeides (#12)

One such misquotation might just have been careless. Two of them were almost certainly willful.

I guess the question will be whether the reed they cling to will be strong enough to support five Supreme Court Justices. I'm fairly confident that Roberts, Alito and Thomas will vote to support fascism. Scalia's a maybe, because he likes to play "maverick" but he also likes to play Repuke pallie politicks.

I hope the Democrats can repeal the MCA and the other fascists actions legislatively, but will their repeal have enough votes to beat a veto? I suspect there are enough fascists in congress to keep them from getting enough votes to do so.

Besides, by the time they get it to the floor, if they do, we'll already likely be at war with Iran, with a sunken carrier to goad on the publick, and nobody's going to be backing liberty at that point...

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-02-21   11:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: bluedogtxn (#13)

publick

Nice.

01/31/07 Free Republic & Boston surrender to Iran over a blinking sign.
NEVER FORGET!

Esso  posted on  2007-02-21   11:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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