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Title: DESTRUCTION AND DISASTER AWAITS THE ANGLO-SAXON WORLD
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Published: Feb 24, 2007
Author: Bruce Porteous
Post Date: 2007-02-24 20:14:07 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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DESTRUCTION AND DISASTER AWAITS THE ANGLO-SAXON WORLD The coming war between the USA and Iran is about to erupt, and change the geo–political landscape of the world more dramatically than any time in recent history. Few comprehend how close the total destruction is for the people of the United States and Britain.33; After dominating the globe for the last 200 years, the end is rapidly approaching for the Anglo–Saxon nations.33; Life seemingly is going on much as ever.33; People are busy buying and selling. 33;Property prices, share markets and consumer spending are all up, with many believing that the good times will just continue rolling on. Yet disaster waits just over the horizon. The USA and Britain is being sucked into a fatal war with Iran – a war which will trigger off a sequence of events with disastrous consequences to these two nations.33; It will reshape the geo–political landscape of the world.33; President Bush is sincere when he says he does not want war with Iran, but the USA is being drawn into one regardless.33; As a result of the folly of invading Iraq, the Western media assumes that President Bush also wishes to attack Iran.33; This time, it is not the US who wishes war, but Iran.33; The current situation is quite different to the events that lead up to the illegal invasion of Iraq. Iran’s President Ahmadinejad has experienced an apocalyptic vision of the coming end of this age that will hasten the awaited return of the 12th Imam, known as the Mahdi. 33;"The ultimate promise of all Divine religions," says Ahmadinejad, "will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being [the 12th Imam], who is heir to all prophets. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace. Oh mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one."33; He believes that the return of the Imam, AWOL for 11 centuries, is only two years away.33; He believes that this war against the West and Israel must now take place as a fulfilment of this prophecy. This, and Ahmadinejad’s belief that America and Israel must be destroyed, is leading Iran and the USA into a deadly conflict, and a war which will reshape global politics for years to come.33; President Ahmadinejad wants war with the United States, believing that this will be a fulfilment of prophecy, and that he is doing the will of Allah.33; His vulnerable political position will also be strengthen was war breaks out – a war which he will blame the USA and Israel for starting. Yet it will be Iran which will trigger off this war by provoking America into the conflict. What will be the outcome to this conflict?33; Who will be the winners? A war with the USA will cause massive destruction to Iran military capacity, but it will even be more damaging strategically to the USA military and economically.33; The USA military, already over–stretched with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, does not have the reserves to wage a long war.33; Even worse, the war with Iran will be the final breaking point of the US economy.33; This war will lead to a lack of confidence in the US economy.33; Already massively in debt, partly as a result of the quagmire in Iraq, the USA is in no position financially or military to become involved in another Middle East conflict. War with Iran will see oil prices go through the roof, crippling the debt-ridden global financial markets, causing wide–spread financial panic, and a massive sell–off of over–inflated global assets.33; It will trigger a run on those currencies that have become depended on borrowing from Asia to finance their deficits (especially the US dollar), and result in their total collapse. Panic withdrawal by international investors from US banks will quickly follow, drying up bank liquidity, forcing banks to cease all lending and calling up loans as the fall due.33; The Federal Reserve may try and prop up the banking system by creating credit, but this will only accelerate the collapse in the dollar, followed by massive inflation.33; There will be widespread defaults, bankruptcies, and a melt–down of the economy. The collapse of the Anglo–Saxon economies will also mean the collapse of their military infrastructure, and the withdrawal of American and British troops from the Middle East and their bases around the globe.33; Wide–spread famine will follow, along with disease, starvation and a break–down of law and order. War with Iran will quickly see a re–aligning of global power blocs.33; Iran will close off the Strait of Hormuz, cutting the world off two–fifths of the world’s supply of oil.33; This will have a particular damaging impact on the Asians economies.33; They will blame the USA for this conflict. Europe will also be badly hurt, though not to the same extent as Asia and the Anglo-Saxon nations. The crisis will force the Europeans to quickly settle their domestic political differences in order to deal with the emerging crisis.33; The EU constitution will quickly be ratified by those nations which have accepted it and a single President appointed.33; There will emerge a United States of Europe – a single power bloc with a unified military force and political system. Events will unfold quickly once war breaks out.33; Iran will put up strong resistance to a conflict with the USA.33; This war will involve much more than just Iran.33; It will involve the entire Persian Gulf.33; Iran will receive support from the Shiite Muslim nations.33; Israel will support the USA in trying to destroy Iran33;s military and nuclear facilities. Iran will try and spread the conflict outside its boundaries, even spreading the conflict to the USA itself through terrorist acts.33; The Shiites in Iraq will ally themselves with Iran, hastening the US defeat and withdrawal from Iraq. Two new power blocs will emerge with the collapse of the USA and Britain.33; A united Europe will emerge to secure their oil supplies from the Middle East, and fill the military vacuum created by the withdrawal of American forces.33; Competing for these resources will be the Asian bloc, which is even more depended on Middle East oil than Europe. Israel military planners have the assault on Iran needs to take place before the end of March, 2007.33; The US has two naval battle fleets now in place in the Persian Gulf to launch this attack.33; Iran’s rejection of the UN resolution to stop enriching uranium has provided some political legitimacy for an attack against Iran to begin. The coming events will happen so quickly, that many in the USA and Britain will wonder what has happened. These events are about to unfold on the unsuspecting and ill–prepared Anglo–Saxon nations, deceived by their false religious leaders and their pursuit of the god of materialism.33; We are about to see the beginning of the climatic end–time events prophesied in the Bible. Bruce Porteous
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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
Excuse me?
Or not. To attack Iran would be immoral, illegal, counterproductive, bloody, wasteful, and expensive, but it would be manageable. China and Russia won't turn it into WWIII. They'll take the long view, and wait for Social Security and Medicare to do in the Federal Gummint.
I saw that also. Bush wants this war more than anything.
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
uh..has anyone else seen or heard any evidence to support this claim by Bruce Porteous?
truth-4-all USAF Missiles Aimed at INTERNAL TARGETS for NWO AGENDA Sun Feb 18, 2007 13:13 While investigating and broadcasting on the radio regarding coming martial law, I interviewed a man whose father is a NATO general with the USAF. This source told me the following: " My father is a big NATO general in the USAF overseas. He told me one day that the underground missiles in ELLSWORTH AFB (near Rapid City, SD) have not been removed from the silos as the news falsely reported. He told me that instead THEY HAVE BEEN AIMED AT INTERNAL TARGETS for the coming NWO agenda.[GOVERNMENT SPONSORED "FALSE FLAG TERRORISM."] He told me which cities the missiles at ELLSWORTH will hit..." I asked him. He replied, "Washington , DC; Omaha, NE; Colorado Springs, CO; and Rapid City, SD...." He confirmed what I have been told by insiders: in the FUTURE, WASHINGTON DC will no longer be the CAPITOL OF THE USA. It will be moved to DENVER, CO. DC WILL be hit with missiles and burned. Already, reports are circulating that the CIA is moving it's offices from DC to DENVER, and so are other government offices moving quietly as well. I later spoke with a Pentagon source of info, and he confirmed this as being true: many missiles HAVE been secretly aimed at US cities for a FUTURE NWO TAKEOVER. ALL for a future MARTIAL LAW AGENDA...and once again, the lives of THE AMERICAN PEOPLE are WORTH NOTHING TO THE NWO MADMEN. Truth 4 All http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=109404;title=APFN
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
I have no idea if the analysis in above artcle is correct or not. But regarding snippet you showed in #1 - big world wars are frequently started as a result of manipulations that we don't see. Iranian leaders project an unusual confidence as if they have the backing of Russia, maybe China, etc. Is there a coalition that wants to take the US down? Who knows. I have no clue if all the war-talk is bluff for some purpose or what.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Unadulterated rubbish for the rubes.
He confirmed what I have been told by insiders: in the FUTURE, WASHINGTON DC will no longer be the CAPITOL OF THE USA. It will be moved to DENVER, CO. DC WILL be hit with missiles and burned. Already, reports are circulating that the CIA is moving it's offices from DC to DENVER, and so are other government offices moving quietly as well.
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christine posted on 2007-02-24 21:30:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply I have not and I follow the Iran situation, not fully, but I do follow it. I have seen no evidence in the mainstream, international or Irainian press to indicate this. Ahmadinejad has written at least two well reasoned and to my mind thoughtful letters to the US gov. They were both rejected, as in not even accepted. And the C Rice out and out lies and says that the US would desire to talk to the Irainians. She is a proven liar, all in the US foreign policy media MUST know this - their silence damms their credibility forever. As far as I can see the burden of proof of sencerity lies completely with the US gov. And they have been weighed and found lacking.
If ever exigent circumstances called for the use of nukes its the death knell for the federal reserve note. Is there any doubt that the fed banksters and the politicians who buy votes with fed digital units will do whatever it takes to protect America's monopoly of the petrobuck? If the fraud ($) fails the shadow govt loses nearly a century of consolidation of influence through manipulation of currency, and they'll cheerfully nuke Iran, Venezuela or any other country with plans to open oil bourses and trade in alternate currencies.
House for sale cheap ping.
he seems to be inspired by a bible prophecy and his understanding. I myself don't think I know exactly what is going to happen. But I am convinced that one day the US will be destroyed on a large scale and it is bible prophecy to make me think that.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Watch the Russians, kiddies...
G_d doesn't like leaders who lie (Bush Admin)Lie by Lie: The Mother Jones Iraq War Timeline (8/1/90 - 6/21/03) In this timeline, we've assembled the history of the Iraq War to create a resource we hope will help resolve open questions of the Bush era. What did our leaders know and when did they know it? And, perhaps just as important, what red flags did we miss, and how could we have missed them? This is the second installment of the timeline, with a focus on how the war was lost in the first 100 days. http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/ http://www.nostradamusonline.com/ http://members.iglide.net/jdurr/Promotion4.html?gclid=CIeun97ByIoCFQdyUAodmwmKcg
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
A neocone zionazi could not write a better propaganda piece, this article is a full of lies & desinformations
Jewish Professor Says Porn Industry is a Weapon used by Jews Against Gentiles http://tinyurl.com/2n32y9
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
You're not the only one...
I think this Bruce Porteous is a Bible thumper from New Zealand. I agree with Burkeman - the article is rubbish. If you google his name he's associated with Living Church of God, which has apocalyptic theology at its core. It's a derivative church of the Worldwide Church of God.
Talmud Permits Child-Adult Sex Talmud law permits sexual intercourse between children and adults. This doctrine is contained in a number of Mishnahs. Before we examine them, however, it is necessary that the reader be familiar with the word kethubah. According to the Soncino Talmud Glossary: KETHUBAH (Lit., 'a written [document]'); (a) a wife's marriage settlement which she is entitled to recover on her being divorced or on the death of her husband. The minimum settlement for a virgin is two hundred zuz, and for a widow remarrying one hundred zuz; (b) the marriage contract specifying the mutual obligations between husband and wife and containing the amount of the endowment and any other special financial obligations assumed by the husband. — Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Talmud Glossary Zuz is a unit of currency. We see, then, that a dollar (or zuz) value is put on virginity. Now let's look at a Mishnah from Kethuboth 11a: MISHNAH. WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN (7) HAS HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH (8) A LITTLE GIRL, (9) OR WHEN A SMALL BOY (10) HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR [WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY] INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD (11) — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ] … — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57 The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text with footnotes: A man who was of age. Lit., 'who came on'. Less than three years old. Less than nine years of age. Lit., 'One who was injured by wood', as a result of which she injured the hymen. — Rabbi Dr. Daiches Let's review the above-cited Mishnah: "When a grown-up man has had sexual intercourse with a little girl, or when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman …" It is obvious that sex activity between a grown man and a little girl, and between a grown woman and a little boy, is a part of the woof and the warp of everyday Talmud life; such relationships, in the eyes of the Sages, are unremarkable. There is no prohibition on sexual activity between adults and young children — it is simply regulated. Recall the words of the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi of the British Empire the late Dr. Joseph Herman Hertz: Religion in the Talmud attempts to penetrate the whole of human life with the sense of law and right. Nothing human is in its eyes mean or trivial; everything is regulated and sanctified by religion. Religious precept and duty accompany man from his earliest years to the grave and beyond it. They guide his desires and actions at every moment. — Rabbi Dr. Hertz (38) Thus, if the Talmud permits girls three years old and younger to be sexually used by adults, that is the law. The concern of the Sages is to ensure that the adult is not, technically speaking, in violation of any of the rules. Regenerating Virginity In the Gemara that follows the Mishnah of Kethuboth 11a (cited above), the Sages discuss the issues. They say having intercourse with a girl younger than three is like putting a finger in the eye. Rabbi Dr. Daiches explains in the footnotes that, just as tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years. GEMARA. Rab Judah said that Rab said: A small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood. (1) When I said it before Samuel he said: 'Injured by a piece of wood' does not apply to (2) flesh. Some teach this teaching by itself: (3) [As to] a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman, Rab said, he makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood; whereas Samuel said: 'Injured by a piece of wood' does not apply to flesh. R. Oshaia objected: WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN HAS HAD INTERCOURSE WITH A LITTLE GIRL, OR WHEN A SMALL BOY HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ]; SO ACCORDING TO R. MEIR. BUT THE SAGES SAY: A GIRL WHO WAS INJURED ACCIDENTALLY BY A PIECE OF WOOD — HER KETHUBAH IS A MANEH! (4) Raba said, It means (5) this: When a grown- up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this, (6) it is as if one puts the finger into the eye; (7) but when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman he makes her as 'a girl who is injured by a piece of wood,' and [with regard to the case of] 'a girl injured by a piece of wood,' itself, there is the difference of opinion between R. Meir and the Sages. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57-58 Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches amplifies the text with footnotes (page 58): Although the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act, nevertheless the woman is injured by it as by a piece of wood. Lit., 'is not in'. I.e., the difference of opinion between Rab and Samuel with regard to that question was recorded without any reference to R. Judah. The Sages differ only with regard to a girl injured by a piece of wood, but not with regard to a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman. This shows that the latter case cannot be compared with the former case. The Mishnah would consequently be against Rab and for Samuel. Lit., 'says'. Lit., 'here', that is, less than three years old. I.e., tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years. Cf. Nid. 45a. — Rabbi Dr. Daiches To a person unaccustomed with the Talmud culture, it may seem that discussion of sexual intercourse between grown men and very young girls is merely theoretical. But as we shall see, cases are cited, judgments are weighed and debated, and the Sages discuss the wounds suffered by the young girls as a result of the intercourse. More on Regenerating Virginity We know that the amount of a woman's kethubah depends on her virginity on her wedding day. But what of a woman who, as a little girl below the age of three years, was raped or otherwise subjected to sexual intercourse? The Sages rule that the kethubah of such a woman is set as if she were still a virgin. MISHNAH. A WOMAN PROSELYTE, A WOMAN CAPTIVE, AND A WOMAN SLAVE, WHO HAVE BEEN REDEEMED, CONVERTED, OR FREED [WHEN THEY WERE] LESS THAN THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY OLD — THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ]. AND THERE IS WITH REGARD TO THEM THE CLAIM OF [NON-]VIRGINITY. (17) — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 54 This seems like a generous and humanitarian ruling, the creation of a legal fiction of virginity when the woman is no longer physiologically a virgin. But Dr. Daiches corrects us. He tells us that, according to the Sages, the hymen of a girl younger than three literally grows back again. If they had sexual intercourse before they were three years and one day old the hymen would grow again, and they would be virgins. V. 9a and 11b and cf. Nid. 44b and 45a. — Rabbi Dr. Daiches (25) See also the discussion of Niddah 44b and 45a, below. As we continue to explore the Talmud doctrines on child-adult sex, we will see further confirmation that the Talmud Sages believed that the hymen regenerates in a girl younger than three. "… Of Lesser Age, No Guilt is Incurred" In modern America, sex between an adult and a child is condemned in proportion to the youth of the child. That is, Americans generally consider sex with a fifteen year old, a twelve year old, a six year old, and a three-year-old on a continuous scale of condemnation. The younger the child, the greater the condemnation. Talmudic law works on the reverse scale: sex with younger children is less significant than sex with older children. How did this doctrine come about? Scripture states thus: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. — Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) The Old Testament prohibits a man lying with a man; but notice, the Old Testament does not prohibit a man lying with a boy. Thus, the Talmud Sages arrive at their position on pederasty. In the following, bestiality said to be committed "naturally" when a man uses the vaginal passage of the beast, and "unnaturally" when a man uses the anal passage of the beast. The Sages make a similar distinction for the couplings of a woman with a beast. GEMARA. … Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that. (2) What is the basis of their dispute? — Rab maintains that only he who is able to engage in sexual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of pederasty throw guilt [upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in sexual intercourse cannot be a passive subject of pederasty [in that respect]. (3) But Samuel maintains: Scripture writes, [And thou shalt not lie with mankind] as with the lyings of a woman. (4) It has been taught in accordance with Rab: Pederasty at the age of nine years and a day; [55a] [he] who commits bestiality, whether naturally or unnaturally; or a woman who causes herself to be bestially abused, whether naturally or unnaturally, is liable to punishment. (5) — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 54b - 55a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 371 The translator, Rabbi Dr. H. Freedman, amplifies the text with footnotes. Note particularly footnote 2: "… but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred." See also the final sentence of footnote 5: "… nine years (and a day) is the minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable." (See Soncino Talmud Glossary for definition of Baraitha.) I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum. At nine years a male attains sexual matureness. Lev. XVIII, 22. Thus the point of comparison is the sexual matureness of woman, which is reached at the age of three. (Rashi reads [H] instead of the [H] in our printed texts. A male, aged nine years and a day who commits etc.] There are thus three distinct clauses in this Baraitha. The first — a male aged nine years and a day — refers to the passive subject of pederasty, the punishment being incurred by the adult offender. This must be its meaning — because firstly, the active offender is never explicitly designated as a male, it being understood, just as the Bible states, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, where only the sex of the passive participant is mentioned; and secondly, if the age reference is to the active party, the guilt being incurred by the passive adult party, why single out pederasty: in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day? Hence the Baraitha supports Rab's contention that nine years (and a day) is the minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable. — Rabbi Dr. Freedman The plain English meaning of the Talmud text is clear, but if there is any doubt, the Soncino scholars put the matter to rest: No guilt is incurred with a boy child younger than nine, even in incest. Thus we see that Orthodox Jewish doctrines concerning homosexuality are not accurately represented by Dr. Laura and other Orthodox spokesmen. Out of Context? When quoted, those passages in Tractate Sanhedrin 54b and 55a are sometimes said to be taken out of context. Theologian James Trimm is one who makes this protest.(6) But now the full context of Sanhedrin 54b and 55a — and indeed, the complete Sanhedrin — is available to the readers of Come and Hear™. Rabbi Michael Rodkinson, whose English translation of the Talmud was republished in 1918, censored the Sages' teaching on this issue. The 1918 Edition of Rabbi Rodkinson's Talmud was published under the editorship of Rabbi Dr. I. M. Wise, the pioneer of Reform Judaism. Rabbi Rodkinson explains his censorship in a footnote: We deem it expedient not to translate about two pages of the text preceding the next Mishna, treating of miserable crimes with men and animals, and giving the discussion with questions and answers, it would be undesirable to express in the English language … — Rabbi Rodkinson (26) For further discussion, see "Rabbi Rodkinson Censors the Talmud" in Do Not Censor the Talmud, Please. Censorship, expurgation, and denial of the clear and obvious meaning of basic religious text do not help inter-religious understanding. It does not help people of different religions understand each others' faiths. See What We're About. The lack of reliable authoritative information on the doctrines of Judaic law is a significant problem as American society and law becomes more Talmudized. Such information gaps can cause unwanted societal consequences. America Is Rapidly Becoming Talmudized In 1999, the Supreme Court agreed to consider an amicus brief based wholly on Talmudic law (see Sentence and Execution). In November 2002, the American Orthodox Jewish community held a kosher dinner in the Supreme Court building to celebrate the establishment of the National Institute for Judaic Law. (31) The dinner was attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices. The purpose of the Institute is to introduce Talmudic laws into the US legal system and law schools. It is thus the clear civic duty of every American to become intimately acquainted with the Talmud. Read articles at: Death Penalty: http://www.come-and- hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html Kosher Dinner: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jp-11-09-2002 and http://www.come- and-hear.com/editor/cp-jw-01-08-03 Oedipal Incest According to Rabbi Dr. H. Freedman (footnote 5, above), in Sanhedrin 54b-55a the Sages confirm, "in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day." Therefore, a mother who encourages her son to have sexual intercourse with her incurs no guilt if her son is younger than nine years old and a day. In such an arrangement, the mother would be the "passive" adult, of course. Adult Male Homosexuality MISHNAH. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A WOMAN THAT COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 54a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 367 This clears matters up. Consenting adults who engage in homosexuality suffer the death penalty. But homosexuality with a male child under the age of nine years and a day is not punishable (Sanhedrin 54b-55a, above). Recall Rabbi Dr. Freedman's clear statement of the doctrine: I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum. — Rabbi Dr. Freedman (21) Female Homosexuality But what of female homosexuality? GEMARA. … Women who practise lewdness with one another are disqualified from marrying a priest. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 76a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 512 - 513 The same statement appears in Shabbath 65a, page 311. The ruling, then, is only that a woman who "commits lewdness" with another is disqualified from marrying a priest. Thus a woman who never had ambitions to marry a priest suffers no sanction for her homosexual activity. All of this paints a different picture of Orthodox Jewish doctrine on homosexuality — as enshrined in the G-d-given law of the Talmud. What would Dr. Laura say if she knew? Or does she? More on Oedipal Incest In the following passage, the question before the Sages is this: If a mother committed incest with her son, would she still be eligible to marry a priest? As we shall see, the answer depends on the son's age. Again, incest with a young boy is not a concern, while incest with an older boy brings consequences to the adult. Here, the Sages debate the threshold age. GEMARA. … Our Rabbis taught: If a woman sported lewdly with her young son [a minor], and he committed the first stage of cohabitation with her, — Beth Shammai say, he thereby renders her unfit to the priesthood. Beth Hillel declare her fit. R. Hiyya the son of Rabbah b. Nahmani said in R. Hisda's name; others state, R. Hisda said in Ze'iri's name: All agree that the connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst that of one less than eight years is not: (2) their dispute refers only to one who is eight years old, Beth Shammai maintaining, We must base our ruling on the earlier generations, but (3) Beth Hillel hold that we do not. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 69b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 470 The translator, Dr. Freedman, uses "cohabitation" to denote sexual intercourse. (32) He amplifies the text with footnotes. So that if he was nine years and a day or more, Beth Hillel agree that she is invalidated from the priesthood; whilst if he was less that eight, Beth Shammai agree that she is not When a boy of that age could cause conception. — Rabbi Dr. Freedman The issue rests on the boy's theoretical ability to cause conception. Since (theoretically) a boy younger than nine cannot cause conception, he cannot (theoretically) engage in sexual intercourse (see above, from page 58, footnote 1, "… the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act"). This is a specialized definition of sexual intercourse. The boy's youth also exempts the man who sodomizes him — from moral guilt and legal liability. That is, the young boy cannot "throw guilt" on a man who lies with him, and the Scripture does not apply. If the boy is old enough to cause conception, the man who lies with him is in violation of Scripture. And now we have the answer to a question that might have occurred to the reader when we discussed incest between mother and son, above: Why wouldn't a mother like that be charged with incest? We have seen this explanation from Rabbi Dr. Freedman before, but it warrants further study. In a synthesis of logical premises unique to Talmudism, the translator again helps us out with a footnote. The language is complex, but the meaning of the last few lines is clear: By reckoning back and forth between the definition of "man," "cause conception," "active," and "passive" participants in a sexual act, the conclusion is drawn that incest is not punishable with a boy younger than nine years old. [Rashi reads [H] instead of the [H] in our printed texts. A male, aged nine years and a day who commits etc.] There are thus three distinct clauses in this Baraitha. The first — a male aged nine years and a day — refers to the passive subject of pederasty, the punishment being incurred by the adult offender. This must be its meaning — because firstly, the active offender is never explicitly designated as a male, it being understood, just as the Bible states, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, where only the sex of the passive participant is mentioned; and secondly, if the age reference is to the active party, the guilt being incurred by the passive adult party, why single out pederasty: in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day? Hence the Baraitha supports Rab's contention that nine years (and a day) is the minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable. — Rabbi Dr. Freedman (24) American Puritanism vs. Rabbinic Tradition Forward reports criticism of Young Israel's award to Dr. Laura. The problem, according to her liberal critics, is that Ms. Schlessinger pushes a conservative, pro-life platform that is out of touch with the mostly liberal American Jewish public. Worse, they say, is that her "sanctimonious" moralism and harsh style are more a reflection of American Puritanism than the ancient rabbinic tradition. "It's sad that with all the outstanding individuals doing great work, the National Council of Young Israel has chosen someone whose comments have been so divisive within and outside of the Jewish community," said Rabbi Douglas Kahn, the executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of San Francisco. Rabbi Kahn said he was referring in particular to the controversy sparked by Ms. Schlessinger's claim that homosexuality is "deviant" and a "biological error." Last year gay rights organizations and other liberal groups organized a boycott of Ms. Schlessinger's new television show, which was eventually canceled due to poor ratings. More than a dozen Jewish leaders signed a critical letter to Ms. Schlessinger, including Rabbi Paul Menitoff, the executive vice president of the Reform movement's Central Conference of American Rabbis. — Forward(5) Indeed, Rabbis Kahn, Menitoff, and other Reform rabbis are right. Dr. Laura is not representing "the ancient rabbinic tradition," which allows ample room for homosexuality and pederasty. But why didn't Rabbis Kahn and Menitoff and their Reform colleagues publicly correct Dr. Laura and her Orthodox mentors, in particular Rabbi Moshe Bryski, by using the authority of direct quotes from the Talmud? Children as Concubines, Babies as Wives The ancient Hebrews were permitted to use children as concubines. Moses established the precedent. In the passage below, the Hebrews have just massacred the Midianite men. They return home with booty, and the Midianite women and children. Moses directs them to slaughter the captive women and children with this exception: virgin girl children are to be kept as concubines for the Hebrews. And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. — Numbers 31:12-18 (KJV) In the following, the Talmud Sages reason that, since Phinehas was among the Hebrews who were permitted a child concubine and Phinehas was a priest, Numbers 31:17-18 is Divine sanction for the marriage of priests with girls under the age of three — babies. The rabbis describe the babies as proselytes. The American Heritage Dictionary defines proselyte as "a Gentile converted to Judaism." In the following passage, a bondman is a male slave, and a bondwoman a female slave. GEMARA. … It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, (2) for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, (3) and Phinehas (4) surely was with them. And the Rabbis? (5) — [These were kept alive] as bondmen and bondwomen. (6) If so, (7) a proselyte whose age is three years and one day (8) should also be permitted! — [The prohibition is to be explained] in accordance with R. Huna. For R. Huna pointed out a contradiction: It is written, Kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him, (9) but if she hath not known, save her alive; from this it may be inferred that children are to be kept alive whether they have known or have not known [a man]; and, on the other hand, it is also written, But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, (3) but do not spare them if they have known. Consequently (10) it must be said that Scripture speaks of one who is fit (11) for cohabitation. (12) — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 402 This is a special definition of cohabitation. The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with footnotes: She is not regarded as a harlot. Num. XXXI, 18. Who was a priest. How could they, contrary to the opinion of R. Simeon b. Yohai, which has Scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young proselyte? Not for matrimony. That, according to R. Simeon, Num. XXXI, 18 refers to matrimony. So long as she has 'not known man'. Num. XXXI, 17. To reconcile the contradiction. I.e., one who had attained the age of three years and one day. Not one who had actually experienced it. — Rev. Dr. Slotki The doctrine that Jewish men may have sexual intercourse with non-Jewish children ("proselytes") under the age of three is expanded in the following passage; "Rabbi" is Judah the Prince. GEMARA. … R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the name of R. Joshua b. Levi: The halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon b. Yohai. (13) Said R. Zera to R. Jacob b. Idi: Did you hear this (13) explicitly or did you learn it by a deduction? What [could be the] deduction? — As R. Joshua b. Levi related: There was a certain town in the Land of Israel the legitimacy of whose inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an enquiry and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day, (14) and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest. (15) — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 403 The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with footnotes: That a proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest. And was married to a priest. I.e., permitted her to continue to live with her husband. — Rev. Dr. Slotki Not every Sage agreed with this practice. The Talmud records the words of one Sage who objected to one case, though it does not record the specifics of his objection. GEMARA. … A certain priest married a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day. Said R. Nahman b. Isaac to him: What [do you mean by] this? (12) — The other replied: Because R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the name of R. Joshua b. Levi that the halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon b. Yohai. (13) 'Go', the first said, 'and arrange for her release, or else I will pull R. Jacob b. Idi out of your ear'. (14) — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 404 The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with footnotes: I.e., on what authority did you contract the marriage. V. supra p. 403. n. 13. He would place him under the ban and thus compel him to carry out his decision which is contrary to that of R. Jacob b. Idi. — Rev. Dr. Slotki How Old Is the Screamer? In Talmud doctrine, if a wife is a screamer — that is, her voice can be heard by the neighbors — she can be divorced without her kethubah. MISHNAH. THESE ARE TO BE DIVORCED WITHOUT RECEIVING THEIR KETHUBAH: A WIFE WHO TRANSGRESSES THE LAW OF MOSES OR [ONE WHO TRANSGRESSES] JEWISH PRACTICE … [SUCH TRANSGRESSIONS INCLUDE] ALSO THAT OF A WIFE WHO CURSES HER HUSBAND'S PARENTS IN HIS PRESENCE. R. TARFON SAID: ALSO ONE WHO SCREAMS. AND WHO IS REGARDED A SCREAMER? A WOMAN WHOSE VOICE CAN BE HEARD BY HER NEIGHBOURS WHEN SHE SPEAKS INSIDE HER HOUSE. — Babylonian Talmud, Kethuboth 72a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 449 However, in the current context of the child bride, the matter becomes another issue. It is surely possible that a three or four-year-old wife screams in pain when required to perform her marital duties. On reading further, the Gemara explains that if the wife screams during intercourse, it may be a sign of a physical defect. GEMARA. … R. TARFON SAID: ALSO ONE WHO SCREAMS. What is meant by a screamer? — Rab Judah replied in the name of Samuel: One who speaks aloud (10) on marital matters. In a Baraitha it was taught: [By screams was meant a wife] whose voice (11) during her intercourse in one court can be heard in another court. But should not this, then, (12) have been taught in the Mishnah (13) among defects? (14) — Clearly we must revert to the original explanation. (15) — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 72b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 453 Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki amplifies the above Gemara in the following footnotes. He tells us these were not screams of pleasure — they were screams of pain. Lit., 'makes her voice heard'. Her screams of pain caused by the copulation. Since her screaming is due to a bodily defect. Infra 77a. Of course it should. Such a case in our Mishnah is out of place. That given in the name of Samuel. — Rev. Dr. Slotki In some cases, however, the screaming wife may be one who is so young and physically underdeveloped, her sexual organs cannot accommodate those of a grown man. It seems this child is at risk of being divorced without her kethubah. That is, of course, a concern. A Different Viewpoint There is not Talmud prohibition against sexual activity between an adult and very a young child on the basis that such activity could wound the child. Instead, the concern of the Sages is focused on interpreting Biblical injunctions and technicalities that absolve the adult from guilt or liability: At what age, they ask, does the child begin to cause "defilement" of the adult who uses the child for sex? This next passage illustrates the point once more. The Sages debate "from what age does a heathen child cause defilement"? Is it nine years, or is it three years? If the correct threshold age is observed, the Jew incurs no guilt for the act of pederasty. GEMARA. … From what age does a heathen child cause defilement by seminal emission? From the age of nine years and one day, [37a] for inasmuch as he is then capable of the sexual act he likewise defiles by emission. Rabina said: It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen girl [communicates defilement] from the age of three years and one day, for inasmuch as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious! — You might argue that he is at an age when he knows to persuade [a female] but she is not at an age when she knows to persuade [a male, and consequently although she is technically capable of the sexual act, she does not cause defilement until she is nine years and one day old]. Hence he informs us [that she communicates defilement at the earlier age]. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Abodah Zarah 36b-37a Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 178-179 This may surprise the American reader who encounters it for the first time. In our society, of course, an adult who uses a child — particularly a very young child — for sexual activity is criminally censured. Brother Takes Three-Year-Old Widow In Tractate Niddah, again there is approval for priests to marry and copulate with baby girls. This passage describes a situation in which a priest dies without children, leaving a three-year-old widow. In such case, the priest's brother (the yebam) can acquire the girl by having sexual intercourse with her. The ellipsis (…) in the following Mishna indicates the omission of non-germane text. The full text is available through the link at the Come and Hear™ link, below. MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH. — Babylonian Talmud Tractate Niddah 44b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 308 Terumah is the word for temple offerings eaten by priests. This statement indicates that the three-year-old bride is the widow of the priest in all respects and privileges. In the passage below, we see that the widow of a man who is not a priest can be sexually possessed by her erstwhile brother-in-law and thereby become his wife. GEMARA. … R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 55b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 376 The statement quoted above from Tractate Sanhedrin 55b also appears in Tractate Sanhedrin 69a, Soncino 1961 Edition, page 469. Wounding Young Brides by Intercourse The Sages go on to discuss sexual intercourse with a girl younger than three years old: Wounding the child and causing her to bleed is one possible result. From the Sages' description, it is apparent that the baby bleeds again and again from copulation with a grown man, and the Sages, once again, attribute the bleeding to the repetitive rupturing of the hymen (i.e., virginity growing back). In the following Mishnah, non-germane text is omitted (…). Please follow the source link to view the complete Mishnah. MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 44b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309 The image of "a finger in the eye" is once again explained in the following Gemara. The possibility that the three-year-old committed adultery with a stranger is also addressed: GEMARA. … IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE. It was asked, Do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again or is it possible that they cannot be completely destroyed until after the third year of her age? In what practical respect could this matter? — In one, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her before the age of three and found blood, and when he had intercourse after the age of three he found no blood. If you grant that they disappear and reappear again [it might well be assumed] that there 'was not sufficient time for their reappearance, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years it would be obvious that a stranger cohabited with her. Now what is your decision? — R. Hiyya son of R. Ika demurred: But who can tell us that a wound inflicted within the three years is not healed forthwith, seeing it is possible that it is immediately healed and it would thus be obvious that a stranger had cohabited with her? Rather the practical difference is the case, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her while she was under three years of age and found blood and when he had intercourse after the age of three he also found blood. If you grant that the features disappear and reappear again the blood might well be treated as that of virginity, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years, that must be the blood of menstruation. Now what is your decision? — R. Hisda replied, Come and hear: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE; what need was there to state, LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE' instead of merely saying: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS of no consequence'? Does not this then teach us that as the eye tears and tears again so do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309-310 Rest for the Intercourse Wound This Gemara from Tractate Kethuboth takes up the discussion of the pre- pubescent bride who is wounded by intercourse. GEMARA. … R. Hisda objected: If a girl, whose period to see [blood] had not arrived yet, got married, Beth Shammai say: One gives her four nights, and the disciples of Hillel say: Until the wound is healed up. (1) If her period to see [blood] had arrived and she married, Beth Shammai say: One gives her the first night, and Beth Hillel say: Until the night following the Sabbath [one gives her] four nights. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 6a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 20-21 The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text with this footnote. The blood that comes out is attributed to the wound and not to menstruation. Ordinarily, after the first intercourse further intercourse is forbidden until the coming out of blood, i.e., menstruation, is over. But in this case, in which the young bride had never yet had any menstruation, it is assumed that the blood is not due to menstruation but to the wound caused by the intercourse. According to Beth Shammai this assumption holds good for four nights, and according to Beth Hillel it holds good 'until the wound is healed up.' As to the definition of this phrase, v. Nid. 64b. V. also Nid. 65b, where it is finally decided that after the first coition no further intercourse must take place until the flowing of blood has stopped, even in the case of a young bride who had not yet had any menstruation. V. also Eben ha-'Ezer, 63, and Yoreh De'ah, 193. — Rabbi Dr. Daiches We have been told that according to Jewish law, a post-pubescent bride who bleeds after the first intercourse does not have intercourse again until after her next menstrual period (above). The situation is different, however, for a bride who has not reached the age of menstruation. What are the rules concerning the bleeding pre-pubescent bride? Shammai rabbis say the intercourse wound should be given four nights rest. The Hillel rabbis recommend abstinence until the wound is healed (Kethuboth 6a). See also Tractate Niddah, as follows: MISHNAH. IF A YOUNG GIRL, WHOSE AGE OF MENSTRUATION HAS NOT YET ARRIVED, MARRIED, BETH SHAMMAI RULED: SHE IS ALLOWED FOUR NIGHTS, AND BETH HILLEL RULED: UNTIL THE WOUND IS HEALED. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 64b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 454 Again, there is no prohibition of a sexual practice that would almost certainly cause physical damage to a young girl due to the mismatched sizes of genitals between an adult's penis and a child's vagina or anus. Old Fashioned Torah Values? At a time when Americans are displaying an ever-increasing interest in all things Jewish — from kabbala to Senator Joseph Lieberman to "Kosher Sex" — Dr. Laura is the most popular source for a healthy dose of Jewish nagging, guilt trips and what she presents as lessons in good old-fashioned Torah values. — Forward(5) We have seen in Numbers 31:12-18 that Moses permitted grown men to use little girls as concubines. In the Talmud, grown men are permitted to have sexual intercourse with female babies and children, and homosexual relations with boys younger than nine. Those "good old fashioned Torah values" are not quite as Christian America remembers them. Marital Duties of the Pre-Pubescent Bride The marital duties of the pre-pubescent brides are addressed in at least three tractates in almost the same words (Yebamoth 12b and 100b, Niddah 45a, and Kethuboth 39a). In the following passage, the Sages discuss the use of contraception. All the Sages agree that a wife younger than eleven — a wife who is too young to become pregnant — is required to carry on "marital intercourse" in the normal manner. Recall that those brides can be as young as three, and sometimes younger. GEMARA. … Three classes of woman may use an absorbent (1) in their marital intercourse: (2) A minor, and an expectant and a nursing mother. The minor,(3) because otherwise she might become pregnant and die. An expectant mother, (3) because otherwise she might cause her foetus to degenerate into a sandal. (4) A nursing mother, (3) because otherwise she might have to wean her child prematurely, (5) and this would result in his death. And what is the age of such a 'minor'? (6) From the age of eleven years and one day to the age of twelve years and one day. One who is under (7) or over this age (8) must carry on her marital intercourse in a normal manner; so R. Meir. But the Sages ruled: The one as well as the other carries on her marital intercourse in a normal manner and mercy (9) will be vouchsafed from heaven, for it is said in Scripture, The Lord preserveth the simple (10) … — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 311 The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with these footnotes: Muk, flax or hackled wool. To avoid conception. Is permitted the use of the absorbent. A fish-shaped abortion. Lit., 'flat-fish'. On account of her second conception which causes the deterioration of her breast milk. Of whom it has been said that she is capable of conception but is thereby exposed to fatal consequences. When conception is impossible. When conception involves no danger. To protect them from harm. Ps. CXVI, 6; sc. those who are unable to protect themselves. At any rate it was here stated that a minor under eleven years of age is incapable of conception. … — Rev. Dr. Slotki Did Girls Reach Puberty Earlier Then? It is sometimes claimed that in the days when the Talmud Sages walked the earth, girls matured earlier; hence, sexual intercourse with girls three years old and younger was not inappropriate. However, the Talmud itself repudiates this assertion. In Tractate Niddah 45a (quoted above), the Sages argue: "From the age of eleven years and one day to the age of twelve years and one day" a girl may use an "absorbent" (contraception) "because otherwise she might become pregnant and die." The Sages also say girls younger (than eleven) must carry on sexual intercourse "in the normal manner." Therefore, as a general rule, the Sages did not expect a girl younger than eleven could get pregnant. The statements in Niddah 45a indicate that sexual maturation of women in the time of the Talmud Sages compares with sexual maturation of women in our own day. Or consider the passage that appears just previous in Niddah 45a: GEMARA. … It is related of Justinia the daughter of 'Aseverus son of Antonius that she once appeared before Rabbi. 'Master', she said to him, 'at what age may a woman marry?'. 'At the age of three years and one day', he told her. 'And at what age is she capable of conception?' 'At the age of twelve years and one day', he replied. 'I', she said to him, 'married at the age of six and bore a child at the age of seven; alas for the three years that I have lost at my father's house'. But can a woman conceive at the age of six years? — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 310 Justinia's assertion that she had a child at seven is surprising, and it even surprises the Sages ("But can a woman conceive at the age of six years?"). But note that Rabbi (Judah the Prince), who was familiar with far more than a single girl's experience, estimated twelve as the earliest age for childbearing. Rabbi would of course be familiar with all phases of human life from his career of counseling, judging, and recording. Remember (Talmud Laws of Menstruation), the rabbis were intimately familiar with the physiological details of their female parishioners, consulted even on specimens of a woman's vaginal discharge. Rev. Dr. Slotki remarks on the above Gemara in footnote 10 on the following page: … At any rate it was here stated that a minor under eleven years of age is incapable of conception. How then is Justinia's story to be reconciled with this statement? — Rev. Dr. Slotki (3) The Rights of the Child The treatment of children in Orthodox Judaism has caused concern in Italy. A Genoa court, ruling in a custody dispute, accepted the report of psychologists that Orthodox Judaism views "exploitation and cruelty to minors as legitimate … and perverted behavior as normal." For more details, see Appendix: The Rights of the Child. The Rudin Standard Let us consider again Forward's coverage of Dr. Laura's National Heritage award from Young Israel. With 20 million listeners and a tendency to present her conservative views as an outgrowth of her Orthodox Jewish faith, Dr. Laura may well be Judaism's top ambassador to middle America. — Forward (5) But we notice Dr. Laura never tells Middle America about the doctrines of Orthodox Judaism on child-adult sex. We wonder how things would work out for her ratings if she followed the advice of Rabbi A. James Rudin, Senior Interreligious Adviser of the American Jewish Committee. In February 2002, Rabbi Rudin wrote an article for Forward, commenting on the Vatican's decision to open its World War II archives — partially. In that context, Rabbi Rudin offered the Vatican the following advice: … one thing is clear. Partial, incomplete or pre-selected archival records will not be enough in a world where transparency and full disclosure is now the norm if an institution — whether political, financial, or spiritual — is to maintain its integrity. — Rabbi A. James Rudin (8) If it is important to fully disclose records of historical events, surely it is more important to fully disclose fundamental religious doctrines that may soon be embodied in US law — especially when those doctrines are controversial. On the subject of child-adult sex, there is a great divide between Talmud culture and American culture. However, the extent of that divide is known only to one side. Rabbis in America know and understand American culture, Americans know almost nothing about Talmud culture. When the fundamental doctrines of the Talmud are examined carefully, we find that feminist writer Judith Levine, author of Not Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Kids from Sex, is truer to classical Judaism than Dr. Laura. Jewish leadership — from the most liberal of the Reform rabbis to the most conservative of the Orthodox rabbis — have done Judaism a disservice by not coming forward with the facts and applying Rabbi Rudin's standard of full disclosure. How can we achieve understanding between people of different religious faiths if we do not take courage and stand behind our own religious convictions? (This article is on line at http://www.come-and- http://hear.com/editor/america_2.ht ml )
Baghdad Bob also was very confident that Iraq would win, even as we were literally entering Baghdad he continued to deny it on live TV. People are playing their assigned roles. The ordinary people are the losers here. The leaders are all basically working for the same entity if they know it or not.
God is always good! Back in 1989 I expressed the opinion that NAFTA and GATT were actually "passports for industry" to exit the country before they "nuke it" ... I am still of the same opinion.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
sometimes your gut opinion when you first look at a situation is the best. that may well be true what you thought in 1989.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I concur. in my mind that is a very distinct possibility. even Russia & china.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 established the Anglo-Saxon Zionist alliance. Since then, it has pretty much called the shouts for Western Civilization, which must either destroy the menace or perish under the boot of Jewish supremacy.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
here's a great version of Barry McGuire's song 'Eve of Destruction' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNuUB7qapbQ and here's Barry McGuire's web site with other nice video links on it too. Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
If you google his name he's associated with Living Church of God, which has apocalyptic theology at its core. It's a derivative church of the Worldwide Church of God. hmmmm. That explains a LOT. Worldwide Church of God is [was?] British- Israelism. 10. British Israelism/Anglo-Israelism. (under Armstrong) -- Views the "lost ten tribes" of Israel as the key to prophecy. Claims that "Judah" and "Israel" always refer to the two separate nations, and that inhabitants of Great Britain are of the tribe of Ephraim, while the inhabitants of America are of the tribe of Manasseh. (Armstrong never did explain how a Britisher, by immigrating to the U.S., moves from the tribe of Ephraim to the tribe of Manasseh.) Claims that white Anglo-Saxons are the chosen people of God. British Israelism/Anglo-Israelism. (under Tkach) -- Late-1995, the church officially rejected the doctrine that the Anglo-Saxons descended from the tribes of Israel Worldwide Church of God Christian or Cult?* http://www.rapidn et.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/armstrong.htm The following is an excerpt from the British-Israel plot, which has as an offshoot the "White Anglo-Saxon" Christian Identity movement. I believe in Christian Identity, [see 5.All the Earth to Gather against New Jerusalem [America] http://www.historicist.com/ojnj /index.htm ], but that it includes not just white Anglo- Saxons, nor just the [faithful remnant of] the "tribes of Israel", but Christians of every race. Isaiah 49:6/Galatians 3:16-29/Revelation 5:9-10, etc. "........when I read the word "Identity" in it. I am going to scan it in in the near future, but for now, here is what it says : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A new international order is our national goal and will be achieved in the interest of peace and stability. To further this goal all Earl of Dysart fronts including *** all identity movements must be protected. Only limited official reaction to these groups must be allowed. This operation is classified under the highest priority. It must only be referred to as Earl of Dysart. To appear spontaneous, funding must come from the adherants as much as possible and it must be expanded as a religious movement. Public media must cooperate under equal access directives. Earl of Dysart must be protected under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Counter moves must be limited to religious debate and monitored closely. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It sounds to me like "Christian Identity" is in reality, a CIA Intelligence operation in disguise. Most likely, to foment revolution in America, to ignite race wars between whites and jews, blacks and jews, and whites and blacks. Also, most likely, to gather intelligence and information on those in the so called "patriot movement", sovereigns, anti-abortionists and other foes of the "New World Order". It also appears that this could be used to bring about terrorism in order to pass anti- terrorism laws into effect, thereby guaranteeing a more "peaceful and stable" national state. Isn't it a strange coincidence how Rev. Robert Millar (Grandpa), who ran "Elohim City", the christian identity compound where Timothy McVeigh was staying, was exposed in court proceedings as an FBI informant. This was the same man who told the followers that if they didn't do something to strick at the heart of the Federal Government by April 19th, that the government was going to attack them. This man directly encouraged the bombing of the Oklahoma Federal Building by Timothy McVeigh, and he was an FBI informant and he was the head of "Elohim City". I wrote about this in my catalog intro back in 1998. To read it Click Here!! So, things start to make a little more sense, now, when one has a broader perspective. Now, for the second document I have, which ties British Israel into all this, as well. It is titled "Steps Toward a British Union, a World State, and International Strife". It is a series of comments on the floor of the House by Montana Representative J. Thorkelson and dated starting Monday Aug. 19th, 1940. Here are some excerpts : It opens as follows : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Web Editor's Comments : This is one of the most important documents an American can ever read. It is especially relevent in regards to the Trade Center Explosions and the build-up of war in the Middle East. It is a strange coincidence that I was typing this document in at the time the planes crashed into the twin towers. I had started typing this about 5 days before it happened and it took me over 6 weeks to type it all up. Take note how it talks about looking in retrospect at WWI to decide whether it would be worth getting involved in WWII. This was in 1940 that this document was being looked at by the Congress. Now, in 2001, we can look in retrospect, at this document again, to decide whether we should become involved in this "Crusade" of George Bush's, in representation of England's second conquest of the Muslim nations, again utilizing the United States of America to do it's bidding, but this time, they have made it so that we are the ones who come begging for help. Once you read this, you will know exactly who are the real racists in this world, and you will start to understand where exactly we are today, within the scheme of the New World Order / One-World Government, if you don't already. Also, please note that neither the "State of Israel", nor the "United Nations" existed yet at this time. The "League to Enfore the Peace" was the forerunner to the U.N. Both the "State of Israel" and the U.N. share the same flag colors (U.N. Blue [a particular shade of blue], and White). It is also important to realize that many of the people discussed as the main power players in these articles are all members of Skull and Bones, founded by Taft's grandfather, Alphonso Taft, and who's grandson, the President helped to found the "League for the Settlement of International Disputes, which became the "League to Enforce the Peace, and then, ultimately, the United Nations. I have underlined and bolded all the important sections. Everything else is exactly as it is from the Congressional Documents, I, as well as others possess, called "Steps Toward a British Union", put out originally by the authors of "Pandora's Box" back in 1994. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steps Toward a British Union, A World State and International Strife Part I, Extension of Remarks of Hon. J. Thorkelson of Montana in the House of Representatives, Monday, Aug. 19th, 1940 "Mr. Speaker, in order that the American people may have a clearer understanding of those who over a period of years have been undermining this Republic in order to return it to the British Empire, I have inserted in the record a number of articles to prove this point. These articles are entitled "Steps towards British Union, A World State, and International Strife." This is part I, and in this I included a hope expressed by Mr. Andrew Carnegie, in his book entitled "Triumphant Democracy". In this he expresses himself in this manner : 'Let men say what they will. I say that as surely as the sun in the heavens once shone upon Britain and America united, so surely is it one morning to rise, to shine upon, to greet again the reunited states -- the British-America Union.' This statement is clear, and the organizations which Mr. Carnegie endowed have spent millions in order to bring this about. This thing has been made possible by scholarships, exchange professors, subsidies of churches, subsidies of educational institutions: all of them working for the purpose of eliminating Americanism as was taught once in our schools and to gradually exchange this for an English version of our history. These organizations were organized to bring about a British Union, a union in which the United States would again become a part of the British Empire. However, this has been upset to some extent by the attempt of the internationalists to establish their own government as an international or world union. And there is, therefore, a conflict between the two, for England wants a British Union, with America as a colony, and the international money changers want a Jewish controlled union, in order to establish their own world government....................... http://www.freedomdomain.com/rac ism.html NWO has so many plots, it's tough to sort them all out. I had read that the British Monarchy thought that Britain was going to be destroyed [ Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles..... I believe the Brits think this refers to them, and I have heard it is THEY who are behind the building of the new government center in Colorado. I don't think Ezek. 39:6 refers to the land mass, but refers to the people such as the monarchy and the "City of London" et al] The bogus British claim to Christ's throne: http://asis.com/~stag/royalty.html Maybe they think if the British Isles sink, they'll be safe in Colorado. I guess the white Anglo-Saxons have fulfilled their purpose of funding the NWO's ascent. I guess it's now time to dispose of them, to make room for the new slaves, and we have to drum up a fake enemy to blame it on. Events will unfold quickly once war breaks out.33; Iran will put up strong resistance to a conflict with the USA.33; This war will involve much more than just Iran.33; It will involve the entire Persian Gulf.33; Iran will receive support from the Shiite Muslim nations.33; Israel will support the USA in trying to destroy Iran33;s military and nuclear facilities. Iran will try and spread the conflict outside its boundaries, even spreading the conflict to the USA itself through terrorist acts.33; The Shiites in Iraq will ally themselves with Iran, hastening the US defeat and withdrawal from Iraq. [Albert Pike: third world war to be fomented between Muslims and political Zionists, i.e., Christian Zionists, so that they kill each other off for the Jews]. I'm a little confused by all this, but I do agree Bible prophecy is being fulfilled, just maybe not the way these folks hope and proclaim. They sure have it all figured out, though, don't they? Prior knowledge must be a wonderful thing:) Israel military planners have the assault on Iran needs to take place before the end of March, 2007. WHEN's PURIM?? Jewish Holidays at Aish Purim March 4 - March 5, 2007. The Holiday of Joy -- dress up, drink and be merry while remembering how the Jews of Persia narrowly escaped annihilation ... www.aish.com/holidays
A few years ago, I was blessed with a vision of a HUGE Christ and His saints riding on white horses over the mountains. He looked serious and like He was coming to take care of business. At the time, I couldn't understand why He was coming from the West. I think this might explain it.
I don't doubt any of that. Eze 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that [is] with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and [to] the beasts of the field to be devoured.....
President Bush is sincere when he says he does not want war with Iran, but the USA is being drawn into one regardless.33;33; As a result of the folly of invading Iraq, the Western media assumes that President Bush also wishes to attack Iran.33;33; This time, it is not the US who wishes war, but Iran.
#2. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
Events will unfold quickly once war breaks out.33; Iran will put up strong resistance to a conflict with the USA.33; This war will involve much more than just Iran.33; It will involve the entire Persian Gulf.33; Iran will receive support from the Shiite Muslim nations.33; Israel will support the USA in trying to destroy Iran33;s military and nuclear facilities. Iran will try and spread the conflict outside its boundaries, even spreading the conflict to the USA itself through terrorist acts.33; The Shiites in Iraq will ally themselves with Iran, hastening the US defeat and withdrawal from Iraq.
#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#1)
#4. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, Arator, Burkeman1, Bruce Porteous, scrapper2, HOUNDDAWG, leveller, aristeides, all (#0)
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This, and Ahmadinejad’s belief that America and Israel must be destroyed, is leading Iran and the USA into a deadly conflict, and a war which will reshape global politics for years to come.33; President Ahmadinejad wants war with the United States, believing that this will be a fulfilment of prophecy, and that he is doing the will of Allah.33; His vulnerable political position will also be strengthen was war breaks out – a war which he will blame the USA and Israel for starting. Yet it will be Iran which will trigger off this war by provoking America into the conflict.
#5. To: christine (#4)
#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#1)
#7. To: christine (#4)
#8. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, tom007 (#5)
I asked him. He replied, "Washington , DC; Omaha, NE; Colorado Springs, CO; and Rapid City, SD...."
#9. To: Burkeman1 (#7)
#10. To: christine (#4)
uh..has anyone else seen or heard any evidence to support this claim by Brue Porteous?
#11. To: Red Jones (#6)
#12. To: christine (#8)
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#13. To: christine (#4)
has anyone else seen or heard any evidence to support this claim by Bruce Porteous?
#14. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#15. To: Red Jones (#13)
#16. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
The USA and Britain is being sucked into a fatal war with Iran – a war which will trigger off a sequence of events with disastrous consequences to these two nations.33; It will reshape the geo–political landscape of the world.33; President Bush is sincere when he says he does not want war with Iran, but the USA is being drawn into one regardless............
#17. To: Max (#16)
#18. To: Red Jones (#13)
But I am convinced that one day the US will be destroyed on a large scale and it is bible prophecy to make me think that.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#19. To: christine, Burkeman1 (#4)
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uh..has anyone else seen or heard any evidence to support this claim by Bruce Porteous?
#20. To: who knows what evil (#18)
#21. To: Red Jones (#6)
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I have no idea if the analysis in above artcle is correct or not. But regarding snippet you showed in #1 - big world wars are frequently started as a result of manipulations that we don't see. Iranian leaders project an unusual confidence as if they have the backing of Russia, maybe China, etc. Is there a coalition that wants to take the US down? Who knows.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
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#23. To: noone222 (#22)
#24. To: RickyJ (#21)
The leaders are all basically working for the same entity if they know it or not
#25. To: Red Jones, noone222 (#23)
#26. To: noone222, RickyJ, Zoroaster (#22)
#27. To: scrapper2, Itisa1mosttoolate (#19)
Porteous? I think this Bruce Porteous is a Bible thumper from New Zealand. I agree with Burkeman - the article is rubbish.
#28. To: christine (#8)
He confirmed what I have been told by insiders: in the FUTURE, WASHINGTON DC will no longer be the CAPITOL OF THE USA. It will be moved to DENVER, CO. DC WILL be hit with missiles and burned. Already, reports are circulating that the CIA is moving it's offices from DC to DENVER, and so are other government offices moving quietly as well.
#29. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#5)
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