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Title: MIT Engineer Jeff King on WTC Collapse
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Published: Feb 27, 2004
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Excellent Video. This guy...MIT...did not just fall off the turnip truck.
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may know peace." -Thomas Paine In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these. There are no turnips at MIT, very true.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush I beg to differ. The pancake theory originated from MIT professor Thomas Eager.
God is always good!
I stand corrected.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Tell your readers all about Jeff King. According to Jeff (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/letters/), he spent his first 2 years at MIT as a math major then work for small electronics manufacturer before going back to complete a dual major in Electrical Engineering and Biology. After graduating from MIT in 1974, he went to med school at UVM in Vermont, then spent a year at the Harvard School of Public Health in the Pulmonary Physiology lab doing electrical and mechanical engineering work before deciding to do an internship and practice clinical medicine. For the past 25 years he has been employed as a family physician ... NOT an engineer ... of any sort. In fact, at the above source (which is his own very K**KY conspiracy website), you can see him state that "the "MIT Engineer" caption on the video was not my doing". Now he (and you) may think that what he learned 30 years ago about electrons qualifies him to pontificate as an expert on analyses and behavior that REAL structural engineers spend years and years to acquire, but he's only fooling himself. And so are you.
Here is a variety of types of 9/11 truthseekers to choose from: http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Think/truth1.htm If you believe 911 was an inside job, YOU ARE NOT ALONE. Below are just a small selection amongst the millions of credible persons including engineers, scientists, intelligence analysts, actors, theologians, philosophers, authors, investigative journalists, lawyers, military personel, politicians, family members and eye-witnesses who believe the investigation into the events of September 11 2001 must urgently be reopened. Seekin' that ol' 911 Truth August 2006 On July 29 and 30, and then again on August 1, something happened that increasing numbers of people believe is of great importance. On these dates C-SPAN rebroadcast a 911 panel discussion, held originally in late June, sponsored by an organization called the American Scholars’ Symposium to discuss what really happened on September 11, 2001. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/c-span_firestorm_911_truth_gains_momentum.htm http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=APS&ShowVidNum=10& Rot_Cat_CD=APS&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=100 Held in Los Angeles, the meeting lasted two days, and the C-SPAN rebroadcast covered one almost two-hour wrap-up session. The meeting was attended by 1,200 people interested in hearing something other than the official story of 9/11. The TV audience was evidently large enough to spur C-SPAN to broadcast the panel discussion five separate times in four days. Even a month late, this is a lot of airtime for stories that many people call conspiracy theories! The seekers after 911 truth have been around for almost 5 years now, and they're NOT GOING AWAY - they're growing day by day! In April Charlie Sheen made national news (CNN Showbiz Tonight 7pm) three nights in a row, with coverage continuing every day the following week. http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/fourth-night-of-showbiz-tonights-sheen.html http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/280606juggernautoftruth.htm What newsworthy event prompted such coverage? Mr. Sheen announced that he thinks the government has been covering up the truth about 9/11. Charlie thinks 9/11 was an inside job! http://9eleven.info/ http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060323162638376 Two of Sheen's fellow actors, Ed Asner and Ed Begley, Jr, agree with him. http://www.911blimp.net/videos/EdAsner-UnityIsTheKey.mov http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7140359934129245752&q=Ed+Begley+911 And so does movie director Aaron Russo. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2947267143366647266&hl=en Maybe you don’t care what they think, they're just actors. Perhaps you want the opinion of scientists. Well, how about an expert like Steven E Jones, professor of physics at BYU? Professor Jones has found forensic evidence of thermate, an explosive, being used to cut through key support pillars in the WTC buildings. http://www.9eleven.info/911JonesPaperhtm7.htm http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=4688 http://www.question911.com/linkout.php?filename=Steven%20Jones%20 Shows%20WTC%20Demolition%20Evidence.wmv Or perhaps MIT Engineer Jeff King who also believes the WTC were brought down by a controlled demolition. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&pl=true http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=related&search_query= News+WTC+911+Conspiracy+Flight+77&search_sort=relevance&search_category=0&page=2 What about a mathematician? Professor of mathematics, University of Western Ontario, and founder of the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven (SPINE), A.K Dewdney. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._K._Dewdney Maybe they’re too theoretical for you. You want someone from the applied sciences. May I suggest Clemson mechanical engineering professor Judy Wood? http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/mechanical-engineering-professor-from.html http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html Or how about Kevin Ryan, former department head at UL (Underwriter Laboratories), the company which certified the steel which went into the WTCs upon their construction, and inspected it after the WTC collapses in 2001. He found the official reports to be full of lies and contradictions. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041112144051451 http://www.snowshoefilms.com/ Maybe you don’t care for ’eggheads’. http://www.st911.org/ http://physics911.net/spine.htm http://911physics.co.nr/ You want to hear from true patriots, military men, like former head of Star Wars and air force colonel, Bob Bowman, who says the 'official story of 911 is a bunch of hogwash and impossible'. http://benfrank.net/blog/2005/10/27/oil_mafia_treason/ http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/030306Evidence.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674 http://bowman2006.com/ Or USAF Col. (Ret) George Nelson, an authority on aircraft crash investigation. http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson.htm Or former chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East, USAF Col. (Ret) Don de Grand-Pre http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html Or how about military men from other countries who are also skeptics of the 'official' story of 911? Here's a few: Canadian National Defense Minister, the Honourable Paul Hellyer http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/movies/Hellyer.mov National Minister of Defense (Germany). Also, served as Minister of Technology Andreas Von Bulow. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825 Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces, and chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union 's ministry of Defense, General Leonid Ivashov http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20060123&articleId=1788 Maybe military types scare you. How about a lady of letters like poet Erica Jong? http://www.etruscanpress.org/02_september_11_2001.html Maybe you’re not into poetry. Prose is more your style. How about Webster Tarpley author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror made in USA? http://www.tarpley.net/welcome.html Or authors Gore Vidal, Bill Douglas or Christopher Bollyn? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13969.htm http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bollynbeaten.htm Or if you prefer your message in song, what about putting some of the hard questions to music? Les Visible: 9/11 Was An Inside Job (music) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=97737 Maybe you don’t trust actors, authors, musicians or poets. You want to hear from a man of God. How about David Ray Griffin theologian, professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology? http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html The respected Presbyterian Press has recently published his book Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11 https://www.ppcbooks.com/index1.asp Not just into Christianity? What about MUJCA-NET, a group of scholars, religious leaders and activists dedicated to uniting members of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths in pursuit of 9/11 truth. http://mujca.com/ How about philosophers? What about distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, Jim Fetzer. http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/BigLies23Apr2006.html Or Dr. Jim Hoffman? http://911research.wtc7.net/ What could theologians and philosophers know about national security? You want to hear from insiders to the covert world. How about CIA analyst and former presidential adviser Ray McGovern, an expert on National Security who’s career spanned JFK to GHW Bush. http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2006/01/interview_with_ray_mcgovern.html Or Bill Christison, a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Christison14.htm Or how about David Shayler, the MI5 Whistleblower? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974 Or former cop Michael C. Ruppert? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/store/books.shtml#ruby Or former 9/11 Commission Member and democrat senator, Max Cleland, who blasts Bush and claims "The White House Has Played Cover-Up". http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/23/1546256 Other members of the 9/11 Commission panel also believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission and the public about what happened on Sept. 11. "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true." http://unsungwar.com/ Or what about Republican Thomas Kean and Democrat Lee Hamilton, the two chairmen of the official government 9/11 Commission Report? In their book, “Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission.” Kean and Hamilton reveal that the US military committed perjury and lied about its failure to intercept the hijacked airliners. "It proved difficult, if not impossible, to raise hard questions about 9/11 in New York without it being perceived as criticism of the individual police and firefighters or of Mayor Giuliani," Kean and Hamilton said. The commission even debated referring the military’s lies to the Justice Department for criminal investigation. Why should we assume that these admissions are the only cover-ups and lies in the 9/11 Commission Report? http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=117589 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14531.htm Or Cynthia McKinney, a five-term U.S. Congresswoman from Georgia's fourth district from 1993 to 2003, or Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing under President George Bush Sr. and a former managing director and board member of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041101130426916 Or Michael Meacher MP former UK Minister for the environment who says "The war on terror is bogus", or Andreas Von Bulow, former German Secretary Of Defense, who says "The official [9/11] story is so inadequate and far fetched that there must be a different one." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825 Or Sibel Edmonds, a 32-year-old Turkish-American, who was hired as a translator by the FBI shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 because of her knowledge of Middle Eastern languages. She was fired less than a year later in March 2002 for reporting shoddy work and security breaches to her supervisors that could have prevented those attacks. http://www.justacitizen.com/ Or Daniel Ellsburg, famous Vietnam 'Pentagon Papers' whistleblower and former American military analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (ISA), DOD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/daniel-ellsberg-comes-out-for-911.html Or how about the FBI? Did you know that the reason Usama bin Laden isn't on their most wanted list in connection to 9/11 is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting him to the crimes? http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/fbi-states-no-hard-evidence-connects.html What about another country's government, such as the Venezuelan government under Hugo Chavez, supported by billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez, which is set to launch an international investigation into 9/11? http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/83785 Maybe they're all too far left for you! You want to hear from a Republican. How about Paul Craig Roberts assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan? http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28070 http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2006/02/post.html http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911#roberts http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14531.htm OK, he’s a Republican, but that was back in the Reagan days. So how about Ron Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas? http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul200.html http://www.house.gov/paul/ http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Ron_Paul #Congressman_Ron_Paul_Admits_Conspiracy_to_Create_World_Government Maybe you need to hear from someone in GW’s administration. How about Morgan Reynolds professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and chief economist for the US Department of Labor during Bush’s first term? He believes the events of 9/11 were a staged event, orchestrated by people within the Bush government. http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html Since the attacks of 911 were obviously a crime, maybe you want to hear from trained legal minds. People whose job it is to carefully investigate the details of a crime and reach a well considered conclusion. Well, how about attorney Philip Berg? Berg, who has filed a lawsuit against the Bush admin on behalf of WTC survivor William Rodriguez says "They (Bush et al) made it happen or let it happen. And if they let it happen, then they made it happen. And they must be held responsible." http://www.911forthetruth.com/ Or attorney Stanley Hilton? http://www.suetheterrorists.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hilton Or Bill Veale, with 30 years of legal experience. After much research he has come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were in essence an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U.S. government. http://www.vealetruth.com/?page_id=6 Maybe none of the above does it for you. You want to hear from "eye-witnesses" - people who were there on the scene on that fateful day. May I suggest you listen to the firefighters who were in the building at the time? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&pl=true What about first responder, NY Fireman Lou Cacchioli who says the 9/11 Commission twisted his words. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked out. "It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don't agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible", Fireman Lou says. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/200705twistedwords.htm Or perhaps to news reporters who were on the scene who repeatedly described hearing "explosions"? http://tinyurl.com/bzg64 (you need to fast forward a little...) http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html Or how about WTC survivor William Rodriguez, a janitor who worked at the WTC for about 19 years, and was decorated as a 911 hero by Bush. He testifies that he heard and felt explosions in the basement of the North Tower BEFORE the planes hit overhead. William asks: "How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man's arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?" It's a good question! http://williamrodriguezwtc.blogspot.com/ http://www.911forthetruth.com/ What about the families who lost loved ones on 911? http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=endorsements Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg, Patty Casazza and Monica Gabrielle of New Jersey lost their husbands Kenneth, Alan, Richard and John who all worked in the WTC. Sally Regenhard lost her firefighter son Christian, and Bob McIlvaine lost his son Bobby. None of these people are satisfied with the official story of what happened on 9/11. Will you listen to their questions? http://www.911pressfortruth.com/families Well, if you don't believe any of them, why not listen to the OWNER of the WTC, Larry Silverstein, who admits on Public Broadcast Television that explosives were used to demolish WTC building #7?! Yes, Silverstein, who had conveniently insured these buildings (which had been ordered to be dismantled due to safety hazards) for billions of dollars just weeks before 911, said on public television: "(The Fire Department) were not sure that they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we´ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. They made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse" In the demolition industry, “pull” is the common term they use for demolishing buildings with carefully positioned explosives, an operation that can take seasoned professionals weeks to plan. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/wtc_7_archivel.htm http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html http://www.wtc7.net/ http://911physics.co.nr/ (Click on WTC 7 link) So even the building owner admits that explosives were used to demolish at least one of the three WTC buildings! And if planning to demolish WTC 7 had been carefully prepared for weeks, why not the other two? Maybe you don’t want to listen to any of these individuals, but the fact is, a lot of Americans agree with them. Like the 83% of over 50,000 CNN Showbiz Tonight online poll respondents who think the government is covering up the truth of 9/11. http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/fourth-night-of-showbiz-tonights-sheen.html Or a Scripps Howard News Service/Ohio University poll taken from July 6 to 24, 2006, concluded that “more than a third [36 percent] of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them, so that the United States could go to war in the Middle East.” A poll done by the Zogby polling organization two months earlier, between May 12 and 16, 2006, concluded that 42 percent of Americans believed there had indeed been a cover-up of the true events of 9/11, and an additional 10 percent of Americans were “unsure.” http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Christison14.htm Maybe you don’t care what the American people think? Yea, we know. [Ref. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=11205 ] - - WHAT POSSIBLE MOTIVES COULD THERE BE FOR A 9/11 INSIDE JOB?? These are some of the plutocracy's 'foreign policy' and other lesser goals that 9/11 (the "new Pearl Harbor") has helped them to pursue: * to get the American people's support for an endless bogus "war on terror" which will ensure continued gargantuan military budgets. This will continue to enrich and empower the plutocracy and the military/industrial complex. http://www.addictedtowar.com/ * the WTC buildings needed massive repairs - or to be demolished altogether - which would have caused a financial loss to the owners. But instead the owner (the Silverstein group), who had conveniently insured the WTC complex against terrorism only weeks before, got paid out billions in insurance, allowing them to not only rebuild, but make a hefty profit also http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/16/18297965.php * insider trading - there were 'put options' placed on airline stocks (a sort of bet that the stock will go down) days before the attacks which made someone millions of dollars * to help James Baker negotiate massive repatriations from Iraq to Kuwait, making the Bush family/Carlysle Group billions in the process. * it has been suggested there was a massive amount of gold bullion in the basement beneath the WTC that was looted on 9/11 (unconfirmed). * the removal of Saddam Hussein * the removal of the Taliban * a possible war on Iran? * to help further the goals of Israel * the establishment of permanent military bases in the oil rich Middle East * to keep the price of oil artificially high, so as to ensure continued massive profits for the OPEC countries/oil companies. http://www.gregpalast.com/big-oil-and-the-trillion-dollar-war-bonus http://www.gregpalast.com/the-best-thing-in-the-world-for-big-oil * the spread of "globalisation" and "corporatism" (i.e. big business and money) e.g. massive contracts for Halliburton and other crony firms with ties to Washington, control of the production and price of oil http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm * "a means to install a unipolar world with a sole world headquarters, a pretext to erase national borders and to establish the rule of a new world elite” and * “is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people’s intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries’ policies and the behavior of people.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20060123&articleId=1788 * arguably to reassert their control of the opium trade (if this sounds crazy, then remember, Britain had opium wars with China in the 19th Century to keep control of this lucrative trade, so this is nothing new). btw, Afghanistan is the world's leading producer of opium. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060816/ap_on_re_as/afghan_opium_boom * to establish a precedent for the role of "pre-emptive" war in their efforts to shape the world according to their belief systems (this will make their next "pre-emptive" war easier to push through). * to shake the "Vietnam Syndrome" and get the American people accustomed to the deaths of thousands of their sons (about 2,800 so far plus tens of thousands more maimed or injured) in orderto serve the goals of the plutocracy * the spread of "democracy" (TM) and "freedom" (TM) across the Middle East ( For example, I believe Hitler was sincere in his desire to establish a "glorious thousand year Reich". Likewise, the ideologues in Washington also have certain belief systems about how the world should be, and are more than willing to use violence and military force to achieve their aims. This isn't conspiracy theory, btw. Just look at the "shock & awe" campaign which murdered and maimed tens of thousands of innocent people in Baghdad, or you can read their own words here: http://www.newamericancentury.org/ Read through their visions for the world, and see how many you agree with.) * to pass legislation that removes the rights of dissenters who object to these goals (e.g. the PATRIOT Act, 'anti-terrorism' laws, government domestic surveillance etc.) So there are plenty of motives for a 9/11 inside job! SO WHAT CAN YOU DO? Even if you are still skeptical, but think there are too many questions about the events of September 11 2001 that need answers, here are a few suggestions: Ask Oprah to host a three-part special that investigates 9/11 http://oprah.bravocharlie911.com/ Sign the petition to release the 9/11 information that is currently being held by the U.S. government to an independent review: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172 Get informed and share these links to several 9/11 investigative documentaries with your friends: Loose Change Second Edition Not perfect, but well researched and very thought provoking. http://unsungwar.com/ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6272212643859761010&q=Loose+Change+editionb http://www.loosechange911.com 911: In Plane Site Hard-hitting investigative journalism. http://unsungwar.com/ 911 Press for the Truth The families of 911 victims speak out and question the official story of 911.http://www.911pressfortruth.com/ Rise Short and sweet - to the point! http://unsungwar.com/videos/Rise.swf 9/11 Revisited This film provides stunning evidence that pre-planted explosives were used in the complete demolition of the WTC twin towers and WTC 7. http://911revisited.infad.net/video.html 9/11 Eyewitness A rigorous scientific analysis of the destruction of the WTC towers. http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/911Eyewitness.php Here is an archive of a large selection of thought provoking documentaries you may like to check out. http://www.question911.com/links.php http://www.universalseed.org/ "The most powerful weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." Don't give them yours! http://www.snowshoefilms.com/ Perspective 9-11 This research will give you an insight into the story behind the 9-11 attacks. http://tinyurl.com/layem American Scholars’ Symposium Scholarly panel which met in Los Angeles for two days to discuss what really happened on September 11, 2001. The consensus: no doubt, it was an inside job. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/c-span_firestorm_911_truth_gains_momentum.htm http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=APS&ShowVidNum= 10&Rot_Cat_CD=APS&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=100 Everybody's Gotta Learn Some Time Compelling film outlining many disturbing and heavily censored facts associated with the worst terrorist attacks in American history. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8372366181300641663 David Shayler - ex-MI5 whistleblower David Shayler introduces 911 Truth Bristol's ‘Face the Facts’ and explains why 911 is of vital importance today. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2953150409490347185 Unitarian pastor Davidson Loehr explains the PNAC drive to reshape a new world order and the connection to the attacks of 9/11. http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/170806_austin_pastor.html Pentagon Strike What hit the Pentagon? http://unsungwar.com/videos/pentagonstrike.swf 9/11 Special: Dutch Television Documentary (20 minutes) Two senior government ministers express grave doubts about the official 9/11 stories and the so-called "war on terror". http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825 Discover the Truth about the Events surrounding 9-11-01 via Video Presentations from some of the top Scholars, Researchers, and Analysts from the International Community. http://911busters.com/ TerrorStorm (Alex Jones) Alex Jones' latest film covers in detail the proven history of government sponsored terrorism, and focuses on the 7/7 London bombings and 9/11. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947 http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/ 911: The Greatest Lie Ever Sold by Anthony Hilder Sometimes quite opinionated, a bit long, but some valuable information never-the-less. Worth watching. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952102263921897950&hl=en 911 Guilt: The Proof is in Your Hands A Video Exposing the Core Facts of the September 11th Attack http://wtc7.net/store/videos/proof/index.html Watch David Ray Griffin, professor of theology, and other speakers who speak candidly and lucidly about the events of 911. http://911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/index.html
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Yeah, buildings really fall down within 30 minutes after they been announced to the world to have collapsed on live TV. Yep, that's just par for the course. Chooser, what is it that you do again besides post government tripe about 9/11?
God is always good! Not one of whom is qualified by education or experience in the subjects of structures, demolition, fire, steel, impact, buckling, concrete or macro-world physics. You folks really are getting desperate. ROTFLOL! No, EX professor of physics ... and not ordinary physics ... sub-atomic particle and cold fusion physics. That is ALL he worked on for over 30 years. And noted above, even Jeff King is embarrassed to be called an engineer. He's been family PHYSICIAN for the last 25 years. Judy Wood is an expert ... in DENTAL MATERIALS AND STRUCTURES. Here's her own resume: http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/pdfs/Wood1.pdf Notice the emphasis on biological materials and STATIC analysis/tests. NOTHING on buildings or fire or steel or concrete or dynamics or impact. Check out her research papers. http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/Wood.html Here's a typical one "Mapping of tooth deformation caused by moisture change using moiré interferometry." , Dental Materials, Volume 19, Issue 3, Page 159. You won't find ANY on structures or buildings or impact problems of the sort that occurred in the WTC towers. But you will find plenty on DENTAL ISSUES. And oh yes, before you buy the nonsense at her http://janedoe0911.tripod.com website, read this: http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm And, by the way, readers should know that she's on the outs with Steven Jones and now thinks that some sort of high-energy beam weapon destroyed the WTC towers. She's linked up with an economist to prove it. ROTFLOL! Yeah ... he's head of a department concerned with WATER TREATMENT. He's an expert in WATER TREATMENT. Not structures or any of the other subjects I listed above. And he had NOTHING to do with UL's activities related to inspecting steel or the WTC collapses. Robert Bowman who said he joined the democRATic party because Republicans weren't conservative enough? ROTFLOL! Robert Bowman who said he quit the Star Wars program when he realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets? ROTFLOL! He states "This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide." FALSE. You will not find the truth by misrepresenting the facts, Mr Nelson. Here are some facts. First, 757 wreckage was found at the site and no wreckage from anything other than a 757 is confirmed. Flight 77's passengers wound up at the Pentagon according to eyewitnesses and DNA evidence. Eyewitnesses described a large passenger jet (some said with AA markings) hit the building. No one has heard from anyone on AA77 and N644AA is in fact missing. And the same is true of the planes that hit the WTC towers. For him to suggest that the missing commercial jets didn't hit the towers based solely no not having been told of a match in serial numbers truly borders on KOOKY. ROTFLOL! http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/who-is-colonel-donn-de-grand-pre.html ROTFLOL! http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-38.htm "n September 25, 2005, Hon Paul Hellyer, the former Canadian Minister for National Defense gave a speech in Toronto at an event titled: "Exopolitics Toronto: A Symposium on UFO Disclosure and Planetary Direction" ... snip ... Hellyer claimed that evidence concerning UFOs is the "greatest and most successful cover up in the history of the world". ... snip ... According to Hellyer, this had led to the development of "laser and particle guns to the point that they can be used against the visitors from space."" http://www.astrologyforthepeople.com/news_of_great_interest_page_xxii.htm "Von Bulow told AFP that he believes that the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, is behind the September 11 terror attacks." ROTFLOL! And here's a quote by Von Bulow during an interview with Alex Jones: "And, the firemen of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were burning, and they said, the fire commander said he needed two teams, small, to fight these fires and then it’s finished." That is a false representation of the fires in the WTC towers or what those firemen actually said. Now why would Von Bulow have to misrepresent the facts if his interest is in truth? Or is it selling books and lecture fees? http://www.rense.com/general69/ism.htm "International Terrorism Does Not Exist, By General Leonid Ivashov " ROTFLOL! Desperate. REALLY desperate. ROTFLOL! Another who thinks there is no war on terror. And get this ... http://911index.batcave.net/FalseFlag.html "Bush Backers prepare Super 9/11" ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL! He's not JUST a theologian, he's a philosopher! He must really be an authority given how often his papers on 9/11 are cited. But is he really an expert when it comes to structures, impact, fire or steel? He claims, for instance, that each WTC tower collapse occurred at virtually free-fall speed in approximately 10 seconds or less. But that has been shown to be untrue over and over. He claims the South Tower fires were small. False. And those are just two of many lies and distortions this man of God spouts. He claims, for instance, that the towers were designed to withstand the impacts of the planes that hit them. Untrue. While the mass of the design plane may be about the same, the velocity wasn't even close to that of the impacting planes. The WTC impacts had over seven times the energy and the design did not account for the effects of fire afterwards. He claims melting steel is part of NISTs theory for collapse of the towers. That is false. He claims that the fires were two low temperature and too brief to have caused the steel to weaken. False again. He claims there was no sagging or tilting before the collapse. A LIE. He claims there is not enough kinetic energy in the collapse of one floor to collapse the next lower floor. Nonsense. He claims the South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds and the North in 11 seconds. Demonstrably false. He claims "pools" of molten metal were found in the subbasement. He has NO evidence to support this claim. He claims the hole in the Pentagon was too small to accommodate Flight 77. Apparently, he never actually looked at pictures of the hole. He claims the kind of debris was wrong. False. Get the picture? Jim Hoffman is a SOFTWARE ENGINEER. ROTFLOL! And even Hoffman says bombs in the structure are unlikely to have created the debris cloud. His theory is that a super secret microwave beam weapon was installed in the basement of both towers and used to reduce the mass to dust during the event. No lie. Seems to be a great deal of inconsistency between these so-called experts. ROTFLOL! http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/100107_b_McGovern.htm "Cheney let the plane hit the Pentagon" Why do these folks always go one bridge too far? But at least he admits that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. And doesn't claim that bombs or energy beams brought down the WTC towers. Although he has no problem associating closely with those having contrary beliefs to those two. ROTFLOL! Let's see ... 18 + 28 + 2006-1979 ... that would make him about 73. And this from his article "Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11": "An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. Hard physical evidence supports this conclusion; among other things, the hole in the Pentagon was considerably smaller than an airliner would create. The building was thus presumably hit by something smaller, possibly a missile, or a drone or, less possibly, a smaller manned aircraft. ... snip ... The size of the hole in the Pentagon wall still remains as valid evidence and so far seems irrefutable. ... snip ... " FALSE. The images of the Pentagon (that he has to have seen by now) prove the hole in the Pentagon before the collapse was more than 90 feet across. And there was damage on the face of the structure where the rest of the plane would have hit. No missile, drone or smaller aircraft could have made that. Nor knocked down the light poles that were spaced more than 100 feet apart perpendicular to the trajectory. Nor damaged and moved the trailer in front of the Pentagon. This is just one of many possible examples to show that Christison doesn't know what he is talking about. Another *expert* who when interviewed by Alex Jones (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm ) proclaims the buildings were demolished by controlled demolitions (without knowing the first thing about structures, demolitions, steel, fire, impact, or any other topic remotely pertinent to that area of expertise). He goes on to claim "the evidence suggests the attack was originally meant to be much wider in scope and was an attempt at a violent coup intended to decapitate the entire government as a pretext for martial law." Can you say KOOK? ROTFLOL! I'm tired. I'm not going to go through the rest of this list of *experts*. The allegations of some of them, like Rodriguez and his *lawyer*, have been debunked many times before at LP. I'm betting that there isn't one who is qualified to weigh in on the collapse of the WTC and damage to the Pentagon. I'm betting they are all as nutty as the ones discussed above. That's not to say there aren't good questions to ask about 9/11. But you won't find the truth when you start with a foundation as shaky as claiming that bomb, energy beams, drones or missiles brought down the WTC towers and damaged the Pentagon. You do that and you consign yourself to being viewed as a KOOK. But let's do consider the author of this list. He says So it turns out the author is a liar. Silverstein admitted no such thing. And he's posting misinformation. Here is what REAL experts in the demolition industry say about that expression. http://www.oilempire.us/state.html "I mailed Jowenko BV and asked if 'pull' was an industry term for 'demolish'. They said it wasn't. Implosionworld said the same thing. ... snip ... Now, lets see what implosionworld told me: "There is no such phrase in explo-demo. Most likely he meant "pull out" as in have people evacuate. Conventionally, "pull a building" can mean to pre-burn holes in steel beams near the top floor and affix long cables to heavy machinery, which then backs up and causes the structure to lean off its center of gravity and eventually collapse. But this is only possible with buildings about 6-7 stories or smaller. This activity was performed to bring down WTC 6 (Customs) after 9/11 because of the danger in demolishing conventionally." http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf "We have never, ever heard the term "pull it" being used to refer to the explosive demolition of a building, and neither has any blast team we've spoken with. The term is used in conventional demolition circles, to describe the specific activity of attaching long cables to a pre-weakened building and maneuvering heavy equipment (excavators, bulldozers, etc.) to "pull" the frame of the structure over onto its side for further dismantlement. This author and our research team were on site when workers pulled over the six-story remains of WTC-6 in late fall 2001, however we can say with certainty that a similar operation would have been logistically impossible at Ground Zero on 9/11, physically impossible for a building the size of WTC 7, and the structure did not collapse in that manner anyway." Yes ... the author of this silly rant is a liar and a KOOK. But then robin will never know because she's bozo'd herself from hearing the truth.
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- - IndieTX
#2. To: IndieTX (#1)
Excellent Video. This guy...MIT...did not just fall off the turnip truck.
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#3. To: robin (#2)
There are no turnips at MIT, very true.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#4. To: robin (#0)
#5. To: RickyJ (#3)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#6. To: robin, ALL (#0)
#7. To: RickyJ (#3)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#8. To: BeAChooser (#6)
Now he (and you) may think that what he learned 30 years ago about electrons qualifies him to pontificate as an expert on analyses and behavior that REAL structural engineers spend years and years to acquire, but he's only fooling himself. And so are you.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#9. To: robin, ALL (#7)
Below are just a small selection amongst the millions of credible persons including engineers, scientists, intelligence analysts, actors, theologians, philosophers, authors, investigative journalists, lawyers, military personel, politicians, family members and eye-witnesses who believe the investigation into the events of September 11 2001 must urgently be reopened.
Charlie Sheen
Ed Asner
Ed Begley, Jr
Aaron Russo
Steven E Jones, professor of physics at BYU
MIT Engineer Jeff King
Clemson mechanical engineering professor Judy Wood
Kevin Ryan, former department head at UL (Underwriter Laboratories)
air force colonel, Bob Bowman,
USAF Col. (Ret) George Nelson, an authority on aircraft crash investigation.
former chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East, USAF Col. (Ret) Don de Grand-Pre
Canadian National Defense Minister, the Honourable Paul Hellyer
National Minister of Defense (Germany). Also, served as Minister of Technology Andreas Von Bulow.
Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces, and chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union 's ministry of Defense, General Leonid Ivashov
poet Erica Jong?
Webster Tarpley
Or authors Gore Vidal, Bill Douglas or Christopher Bollyn
David Ray Griffin theologian
distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, Jim Fetzer
Dr. Jim Hoffman
CIA analyst and former presidential adviser Ray McGovern
Bill Christison, a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979.
David Shayler, the MI5 Whistleblower
Well, if you don't believe any of them, why not listen to the OWNER of the WTC, Larry Silverstein, who admits on Public Broadcast Television that explosives were used to demolish WTC building #7?!
In the demolition industry, “pull” is the common term they use for demolishing buildings with carefully positioned explosives, an operation that can take seasoned professionals weeks to plan.
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