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Title: Terror Expert: Insurgents Have Won 'Hearts and Minds' of Iraqis
Source: RawStory / Salon
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/T ... ents_have_won_hearts_0302.html
Published: Mar 2, 2007
Author: Michael Roston
Post Date: 2007-03-02 11:14:35 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 1076
Comments: 18

Friday March 2, 2007

An expert on the Iraqi insurgency said Sunni forces fighting the American military have already won the "hearts and minds" of the Iraqi people.

Evan Kohlmann, who produces the "terrorist communique clearinghouse" http://GlobalTerrorAlert.com, spoke to Salon's Kevin Berger in an interview published this morning.

Kohlmann's website watches the statements, videos, and other communications issued by Iraqi insurgent groups, and he has subsequently been employed as a "consultant" by various federal entities, including the Departments of Defense and Justice, the FBI and the CIA.

Berger asked Kohlmann if Sunni insurgents, including al-Qaeda in Iraq, had won the "hearts and minds" of the Iraqi people during the course of the conflict in the country.

"Unfortunately, I do," he responded.

The failure of the US after the bombing of the Samarra mosque to try to control the rise of Shi'a militias caused them to go "on a rampage," and cemented the power of the insurgent groups among the Sunni population of the country, he argued.

Kohlmann was dismissive of the idea that Iran was the main driver of the conflict in Iraq.

"The most common nationality of foreign insurgents in Iraq has been Saudis. Where do you think all the money comes from to pay for these operations? It's from Saudi donors," he said.

He noted he wasn't blaming the Saudi government, but added, "If we're going to put pressure on Iraq's neighbors, let's put pressure on all of Iraq neighbors to stop contributing to the violence."

Regarding the emergence of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Kohlmann told Berger, "There wouldn't be an al-Qaeda in Iraq if the U.S. wasn't there."

But at the same time, he said American troops should not rapidly withdraw from the country.

"If we withdraw from Iraq right now...there's going to be a war for control of Baghdad and then once Baghdad is ripped to the ground, the battle is going to spread across Iraq. It could potentially be like Rwanda," he warned.

"If we withdraw, a widespread war is going to be entirely our responsibility," Kohlmann continued. "It's easy to say it's Iraqis killing Iraqis. But nobody else is going to see it that way. Everyone is going to affix blame to us. We will ultimately cause a situation that forces us to reinvade Iraq and create even more casualties. It's an awful Catch-22."

But Kohlmann admitted that current options to resolve the conflict were thin, and added that he didn't think the Bush administration was smart enough to figure out a way to stop Iraq's violence.

"I thought perhaps, in invading Iraq, they had some long-term view that nobody else could see," he said. "But that hope faded very quickly."

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

"I thought perhaps, in invading Iraq, they had some long-term view that nobody else could see," he said. "But that hope faded very quickly."

Over at Rockwell this morning Karen Kwiatkowski makes a convincing case that we've won in Iraq already.

The objective has nothing to do with stabilizing Iraq or democracy or being loved or installing a gummint or anything.

It's about the 4 collossal permanent bases we've built there, which we will retain possession of, pretty much no matter what. The entire objective of the invasion was to build and occupy those bases, and civil war in the countryside around them is pretty much irrelevant.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-03-02   11:18:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bluedogtxn (#1)

Perhaps but the US will need safe and secure 'supply lines' to those bases no matter what.

Will the Iraqi gov't provide them?

Brian S  posted on  2007-03-02   11:39:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Brian S (#3)

Perhaps but the US will need safe and secure 'supply lines' to those bases no matter what.

Will the Iraqi gov't provide them?

A) What can't they fly in? B) Why would we give the Iraqi govt any choice in the matter?

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-03-02   11:42:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluedogtxn (#5)

A) What can't they fly in? B) Why would we give the Iraqi govt any choice in the matter?

A: Ask the chopper survivors that are being picked out of the sky with SAM's.

B: We won't if we are willing to keep troop levels at the current 140k.

Brian S  posted on  2007-03-02   11:46:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Brian S (#6)

A: Ask the chopper survivors that are being picked out of the sky with SAM's.

I haven't heard of any transport planes being shot down. Only the cowboys out on low patrol. If they can land a C130, they can keep the bases fully equipped.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-03-02   11:50:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluedogtxn (#7)

I haven't heard of any transport planes being shot down.

Runwayside bomb' new threat as UK defence ministry blames improvised explosive device attack for RAF C-130J Hercules loss in Iraq

By Craig Hoyle

Hostile action was responsible for the loss of a UK Royal Air Force Lockheed Martin C-130J tactical transport in Iraq on 12 February, according to the UK Ministry of Defence.

“The initial investigation suggests that it was struck by an improvised explosive device [IED] similar to a roadside bomb,” Minister for defence procurement Lord Drayson revealed last week.

The aircraft – ZH876 – suffered significant damage while landing at an airstrip in Iraq’s western Maysan province, but all the crew and personnel aboard survived without serious injury. Worth an estimated £45 million ($87.7 million), the platform was destroyed after an assessment that it “could not be recovered without undue risk to personnel,” says Drayson. The RAF’s remaining C-130J fleet now totals 24 aircraft.

Flying is the easy part. Landing and takeoff is when the aircraft are most vunerable. Just ask any C-130 pilot from the Vietnam war or a former Soviet cargo plane pilot from the Soviet Afghan war. If the US pulls out the bases will find themselves little islands surrounded by hostiles who now have the freedom to move heavy weapons around at will. What? Like the iraqi army will stop them?

Multi-billion dollar death traps. The final days there will be like the end of Land of the Dead where the zombies finaly break into the "upper-class" rich peoples mall/living era and begin to chow down on post end-of-the-world yuppies.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-03-02   13:18:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#12. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#11)

I haven't heard of any transport planes being shot down.

Runwayside bomb' new threat as UK defence ministry blames improvised explosive device attack for RAF C-130J Hercules loss in Iraq

Well, I'll be damned.

Now I have. Thanks.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-03-02 13:43:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#11)

zombies finally break into the "upper-class" rich people's mall/living area and begin to chow down on post end-of-the-world yuppies

May the criminals get what they truly deserve, starting with bushbakercheneyinc.

angle  posted on  2007-03-02 13:48:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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