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Title: LP owner allows poster to plant 1-pixel gifs in order to track LP users
Source: Libertypost
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=179683&Disp=16#C16
Published: Mar 9, 2007
Author: add925
Post Date: 2007-03-09 14:17:36 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Comments: 257

FYI....very interesting indeed.

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Speaking of bin Laden videos, do you view the "confession" video as authentic?

I believe there are 2 sides and not just 1 that want war in the Middle East.

The majority of the world's Muslim population wants to get on with their daily lives just like all other people everywhere else and does not want war. However among them there is certainly a minority that claims its violent actions are sanctioned by that religion. And the actions of this country over the last few years have been to increase the power and influence of that violent minority.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-18   10:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As far as lurkers scanning the thread - BAC's pretend audience - no one's going to take mountains of words seriously when they continually get rebutted with a few short paragraphs or sentences. Even in presentations to top management the Golden Rule is "Keep It Simple, Stupid." Even more so when the [pretend] audience is not at that level of sophistication. For BAC to allege that anyone scanning this site is going to wade through mountains of his contorted logic, when all that person has to do is skip ahead and see the rebuttal, is just further proof of his delusional nature.

perfect

christine  posted on  2007-03-18   10:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For BAC to allege that anyone scanning this site is going to wade through mountains of his contorted logic, when all that person has to do is skip ahead and see the rebuttal, is just further proof of his delusional nature.

perfect

Let's take this a little futher.

Can you as site administrator tell how many people are lurking on BAC's threads?

ROTFLAMO!

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-18   11:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks.

BushCo's follies is an uproarious bundle of sight gags and Vaudevillian punch lines, and the constant repetition of themes such as calling the one Pentagon officer who tells the truth a "liar" while pretending that the world doesn't know how Moe Bush, Larry Cheney, Curly Rumsfeld (with an occasional episode featuring "Shemp" Wolfowitz) browbeat, threatened, bullied and fired every officer (who didn't have the good fortune to recently retire) and civilian employee who was tempted to speak truthfully.

And, the army's own expert returned from Iraq with his dying team and soon to be failing health and reported that there should be an immediate and permanent moratorium on the use of DU, and he too was called a "liar" by our resident shill.

And, the army physician who examined and treated(?) him refused to document the effects of DU, and from this we can be absolutely certain of two things; Maj. Rokke had no reason to lie, and the doctor is under orders to avoid documenting the effects of DU.

And what did shill boy say? Why, there's no documentation to support the diagnoses of DU sickness in any service people, or the estimated 500,000 Iraqi babies who were affected. And, what about the ALA guard unit who upon return from Desert Storm suffered a 67% rate of profound birth defects, including children born with no eyes, arms or brain stems?

Well, because a FOX is guarding the hen house instead of serving a watchdog media role, these and other stories of sick and dying around the world just don't exist. (BushCo understands the power of national news and media images all too well. Just as they arranged for the "spontaneous" demonstration to pull Saddam's statue down to bounce off of satellites, they arrange to have DU stories that quote credible sources or show deformed babies strangled in the media nursery along with any parent reporters who can't take hints.)

And, at the mere suggestion that our president, the most weasely, corrupt, blatantly evil in our nation's history would lack the character to admit something as devastating as the truth about DU, his shills recoil in horror at the assertion that he's lied about anything! These folks think it's just coincidence that bad news stories never saw daylight even as stories labeling Wilson, Plame and Ritter as " Democrat fibbers" and "Bush haters" all of whom are natural born "liars" fly from mainstream media sources to Mom and Pop's TVs, papers and radios at the speed of lie!

So, as near as I can discern the culprits fall into two main groups-the deliberate disinfo artists who float these turds of "Bush truths" and the followers, some of whom can't understand the manipulation and some who won't.

Either way we've passed the point of no return and the republic has peaked and begun its decline as predicted by "Poor Richard" and others who knew history better than Bush knew how to use daddy's influence to avoid learning anything while in college, and the rest of his adult life.

In fact it's a point of considerable pride with George. "Whatever the rules are they don't apply to me. My daddy is CIA and the most influential importer of all of Air America's clients, and he can make governors' and senators' planes corkscrew into the earth on the sunniest, blue bird flying days. And , if you make fun of my speech and grammar your kids may be run over. Maybe not today but, when I leave office I'll have lots of spare time and a list of things to do...."

BushCo shills can find nothing bad to say about him, and their one size fits all reply is, "Just another Bush hater!" without ever explaining why he's so universally despised.

The good news is, once Bush no longer needs these shills they'll be in the same boat (or rail car) as the rest of us.

And then we can only hope that their stubborn belief in Bush's infallibility will expose them. And then those of us who are so inclined can show them Christian love and forgiveness, assuming that such displays aren't against the law by then.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-18   11:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you as site administrator tell how many people are lurking on BAC's threads?

no, i can't. there is the view count on each thread, but there's no way of knowing who specifically is lurking.

christine  posted on  2007-03-18   12:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The majority of the world's Muslim population wants to get on with their daily lives just like all other people everywhere else and does not want war. However among them there is certainly a minority that claims its violent actions are sanctioned by that religion. And the actions of this country over the last few years have been to increase the power and influence of that violent minority.

True. But that doesn't change the fact that the bin Laden "confession" video was an obvious fake, yet was used by Bush and Cheney as "proof" that bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-18   13:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I couldn't believe they actually tried to pass that off as real.

I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to think it WAS real. Obviously, those that released it knew ahead of time that the majority of Americans ARE that dumb.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-18   13:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

when Bush himself did nothing about Zarqawi

al-Zarqawi is dead.

So fuck you, troll

Thank you again for proving my point about what passes for *debate* here at 4um.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   14:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to think it WAS real. Obviously, those that released it knew ahead of time that the majority of Americans ARE that dumb.

The govt thought about it and realized that their own "turism experts" (dutiful friendlies like former state department Zionist Robert H. Kupperman and former FBI profiler Clint VanZandt-the guy who told us that the Beltway Sniper was a white militia type-you know, a gun lovin', tax hatin' joo baitin' sumbitch. Oh wait. Thatz mee! :)) taught us that terrorists always claim responsibility for their dasdardly deeds for reasons which you are already well aware. And 9/11 was the first time in the history of terrorism as we define it (violence or threat of same to effect political change) that no one had stepped forward.

And, govt has invested considerable intellectual capital programming us to believe that fearless, fanatical Muslims can't wait to get to Allah. And, this "responsibility vacuum" was an embarrassment for those charged with the continuity of the infotainment at places like Freeperville.

So, the fact that the "fanatical Islamist" the govt wanted to finger didn't claim responsibility, (for good reason-he didn't do it) left this gaping spall that needed some of "BushCo's Patented PR Epoxy" (an improved version of P.T. Barnum's formula for successful repair of disbelief) so the govt's shills would have something to work with.

I mean, even folks who aren't inclined to be mistrustful of govt thought it was darn suspicious that no one claimed responsibility for 9/11, and even more suspicious that Bin Laden hadn't crowed about it since the govt said that A) he's a fanatical Muslim, and B) he despises the Great Satan, and C) he supposedly pulled it off! (And talk radio has partnered devoutly religious Shi'ite Osama with his secular Sunni enemy Saddam-The Sunnis and The Shia don't mix, but most Americans know nothing of this and can't weigh the unlikelihood of this happening. But, our govt can't let a little thing like irreconcilable religious differences stop them from using 9/11 to vilify everyone and every war in every theater that otherwise has no justification.

In fact Osama had denied 9/11 involvement, and that kind of news has a way of getting back to the wrong people. Thankfully his denial wasn't in English on tape and Al-Jazeera had nothing to show the world, and, The Good Lord in his infinite wisdom working through public schools made America mostly illiterate and in so doing he keeps the numbers of informed persons down to firing squad-manageable levels.

BUT, when the president received a letter from the LIVING WITH DOWN SYNDROME ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA signed in crayon by a million people and questioning the events of that terrible day, he decided that even a bad video with a bad double and a bad translation is better than nothing.

Like the Warren Commissioners before them BushCo has decreed that the laws of physics don't apply when inconvenient, so, "they" just added the bad doppelgänger Bin Laden confession video to the list of things that Americans with any professional and/or financial connection to fedgov had better not examine too closely or question ever if they value their livelihoods, their families and their kneecaps.

Is this a great country or what?

Where else can a man like me sprout from humble Southern stock and grow up to accuse the most powerful creature in the world of being the most evil lizardman to ever slither from the primordial ooze?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-18   15:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

just wow! :P

christine  posted on  2007-03-18   16:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You broke the code; GREAT!

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-18   16:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I mean, even folks who aren't inclined to be mistrustful of govt thought it was darn suspicious that no one claimed responsibility for 9/11, and even more suspicious that Bin Laden hadn't crowed about it since the govt said that A) he's a fanatical Muslim, and B) he despises the Great Satan, and C) he supposedly pulled it off! (And talk radio has partnered devoutly religious Shi'ite Osama with his secular Sunni enemy Saddam-The Sunnis and The Shia don't mix, but most Americans know nothing of this and can't weigh the unlikelihood of this happening. But, our govt can't let a little thing like irreconcilable religious differences stop them from using 9/11 to vilify everyone and every war in every theater that otherwise has no justification.

Great rant.......

HOWSUMEVER, might I remind one and all that when you are listing anything about the 'terrorists', you MUST always remember to list that D) he hates us for our freedoms!

Got it? Sheesh..........and here I was thinkin youse about as smart as them eye-stein pepples. :)

rowdee  posted on  2007-03-18   17:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

al-Zarqawi is dead.

Jihadists expect to die, stupid twit.

What's important is to keep them from killing other people.

Under Saddam, he didn't.

Under American occupation, he killed thousands.

So fuck you, troll

Thank you again for proving my point about what passes for *debate* here at 4um

Idiotic non-responses like the one you made above, like "Zarqawi is dead" when he expected to die in the first place, are insults to any one with half a brain who reads them.

When you insult other people on a site that already doesn't like you, expect the same in return.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-18   19:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you again for proving my point about what passes for *debate* here at 4um.

Exactly how does one debate a Republican party member who still believes that the U.S. had to invade Iraq so to avert a nuclear catastrophe?

Jews and their pets - click me

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-03-18   19:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-18   20:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You broke the code; GREAT!

I know I'm stating the obvious, but it's therapeutic for me.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-18   20:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You see my point?

Idiot, if your strategy is creating more enemies rather than fewer enemies, it is a failure.

I guess you missed my point. Unless you think the strategy in the entire middle east should be pull out. Abandon any allies in the region. Yankee Go Home. Oh, wait! That is what you think. Right?

Address the issue, which is the WOT is supposed to result in fewer terrorists, not more.

Did the war against Germany result in fewer German soldiers ... before we won? Did the war against Vietnam result in fewer North Vietnamese soldiers? Did the cold war result in smaller Soviet forces ... before we won? Could it be that you are trying to look at this in too simplistic a fashion?

"So have things really changed for the worse?"

According to the people of Iraq, yes.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530526.ece "DESPITE sectarian slaughter, ethnic cleansing and suicide bombs, an opinion poll conducted on the eve of the fourth anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq has found a striking resilience and optimism among the inhabitants. The poll, the biggest since coalition troops entered Iraq on March 20, 2003, shows that by a majority of two to one, Iraqis prefer the current leadership to Saddam Hussein’s regime, regardless of the security crisis and a lack of public services."

And your claim that "thousands dying week in and week out when Saddam was in control" is dubious to put it mildly.

On the contrary. That was the claim of many of those now on your side of the Iraq war debate. It was a claim based on experts in epidemiology at the UN and WHO. It was a claim blessed by none other than the Lancet, whom you've defended on numerous occasions.

Why was Bush "just like the DemocRATS" and turned down 3 separate requests by his own armed forces to attack Zarqawi when he was in Kurdistan beyond the reach of Saddam and protected by the United States Air Force.

Well first of all, he wasn't "protected by the United States Air Force". Second, there was no more guarantee that bombing the camps in Northern Iraq would kill al-Zarqawi than there was that bombing bin Laden's camps would kill bin Laden. They did that remember? And a few years later was 9/11.

You have NO plan for what you would have done about a guy in Iraq who was funding and masterminding plans to kill tens of thousands in Jordan, including many Americans.

Right under the nose of the American occupation, Zarqawi actually did kill thousands including many Americans, and not just "plot" to do it as you allege.

But eventually they found and killed him. Were it up to you, he'd still be running around free ... plotting, planning and murdering. Perhaps tens of thousands.

So you've been rebutted.

I notice that you didn't deny my assertion that you'd NOT have bombed al-Zarqawi's camps if it had been up to you. That you'd NOT have put men on the ground to make sure he was dead. No, instead you would have sounded the retreat and pulled all American influence out of the Middle East and the rest of the world.

Your comments about "What would you have done about Zarqawi" are absolutely and totally irrelevant

On the contrary ... they've exposed who you are AGAviator.

You've absolutely and totally been refuted.

I notice you haven't denied my assertion that you'd NOT have bombed the camps in Northern Iraq, if you'd have been President at the time. Just has you'd not have gone to the aid of Kuwait in 1991. I'm sorry AGAviator, but the readers of this thread should should know that you think we have no business being in the ME at all. That we should just abandon all allies there and withdraw all influence we have ... all contacts we have. Then they'll have no reason to attack us. Right?

And I notice that you don't deny my assertion that you don't think the WOT is real. You think it is just as phony as what the many links I've provided say about al-Zarqawi. Right? Folks should know that too.

Iraq is a safe haven for terrorists to this day.

Iraq is not a safe haven for terrorists. If you think so, you don't know the meaning of the term "safe haven". There is no place in Iraq where they can go that we won't strike if we find out about them. A far cry from the days of Saddam, when terrorists were even operating in Baghdad under the nose of Saddam to attack us.

That's why thousands of non-terrorists are dying every month.

Make up your mind. Is it sectarian violence or al-Qaeda terrorists who are responsible for the killing of most innocent Iraqis? Or would you claim its us?

Miklaszewski wrote that "the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam."

"And his proof for this? What's the name of his source?"

More of your patented intellectual dishonesty.

What's the problem, AGAviator? Don't you know who his source is?

The facts are that Zarqawi was not killing people when Saddam was in power

Now that's not true. A US diplomat was murdered by al-Zarqawi when Saddam was still in power. And al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad at the time.

Fuck you and do your own research, troll.

Thanks for demonstrating once again how 4umers debate ... those, that is, that don't hide behind bozo filters to avoid debate entirely.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   20:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why waste time arguing with lying, murdering, criminals and their facilitators/enablers? If the rules of honest debate and fair play cannot be successfully invoked and if the next morning any points you scored are ignored and the shill is right back on the playbook, then you should assume that any frustration you display is a source of humor for them.

That's right, 4umers. Withdraw behind a bozo filter like HoundDawg.

Nothing like living in a world of self-delusion where only one side of the debate is even heard.

It makes one feel so superior and self-confident.

ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   20:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

HOWSUMEVER, might I remind one and all that when you are listing anything about the 'terrorists', you MUST always remember to list that D) he hates us for our freedoms!

Got it? Sheesh..........and here I was thinkin youse about as smart as them eye-stein pepples. :

Some days are more about style and I indulge myself, hopefully with the understanding of others.

And, you're right.

They hate us for our govt's freedom to select a country and exercise the freedom to slaughter them all, plunder their antiquities, contract their mineral rights away for profit and power, and take any discussion of morality off the table because Israel wants it and ....Hell, I shouldn't have said that. Because Israel wants it no explanation should be offered, period.

If I'm still in shock and trying to get my mind around the truth then I'm a handicapped excuse for an American. Real Americans don't faint at the sight of rivers of blood. And they don't demand explanations for piles of bodies.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-18   20:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Exactly how does one debate a Republican party member who still believes that the U.S. had to invade Iraq so to avert a nuclear catastrophe?

*tick tick tick* Bush ran in and disarmed the detonator with only seconds to spare!

What a guy! A man's man!

(If you're Jeff Gannon ;) )

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-18   20:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's why I only supply proof when I feel it's appropriate

Doesn't wash, AGAviator.

The reason you don't supply proof for much of what you claim is that you CAN'T.

I will, however, continue to rebut lies, misinformation, and seriously flawed excuses for arguments as I feel like it.

Good, I hope you try. Just like you've tried (and failed) here.

As far as lurkers scanning the thread - BAC's pretend audience

Go ahead, AGAviator, insult anyone who might chance upon this website. I wouldn't dream of doing that. I just want them to know what's really going on here. And dig a little deeper than just accepting the nonsense you folks post and claim on topic after topic.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   20:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

perfect

Just curious, Christine. How many different folks actually visit 4um on an average day? Compared to the number of members. You must have statistics like that. I'm just wondering how big this "pretend" audience is?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   20:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I like him enough in a weird kind of way when he is not being too rude. He is fun to try to pin down and you have to admire his tenacity though I get angry with him sometimes.

Christine can you restore his ROTFLOF! privilages as it took away from his much-needed humorous side.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-18   20:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FYI in 06 we had 13,101,026 hits

Zipporah  posted on  2007-03-18   20:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And, the army's own expert returned from Iraq with his dying team

Never happened. Post ANY source that actually confirms what Rokke claims about his credentials, time in Iraq and the condition of his team. Go ahead.

Maj. Rokke had no reason to lie

Yet he did. Clearly did. On multiple occasions. So why did he lie, Dawg?

And what did shill boy say? Why, there's no documentation to support the diagnoses of DU sickness in any service people

I never said any such thing. Strawmen seem to be all your side has, Dawg.

or the estimated 500,000 Iraqi babies who were affected.

Estimated by whom? *Dr* Rokke? A guy who LIES? Certainly no health physicist has estimated that. Nor any other peer reviewed credible source.

And, what about the ALA guard unit who upon return from Desert Storm suffered a 67% rate of profound birth defects, including children born with no eyes, arms or brain stems?

Oh by all means link us to the source of this claim.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   20:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

no, i can't. there is the view count on each thread, but there's no way of knowing who specifically is lurking.

So what's the view count on this thread, christine. Are the folks posting to it the only one's reading it?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   20:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Christine can you restore his ROTFLOF! privilages as it took away from his much-needed humorous side.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

That's my vote for what it's worth.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-18   20:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Estimated by whom? *Dr* Rokke?

Nope..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-03-18   20:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ROTFLOL!

Oh! I thought that has been taken away.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-18   20:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In fact Osama had denied 9/11 involvement

ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   20:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Under Saddam, he didn't.

Actually, he did. And he planned to kill many more while still under Saddam. If we hadn't invaded, the attack on Jordan would still have occurred ... and perhaps succeeded since then he would been able to monitor the planning more carefully instead of spending most of his time RUNNING from Coalition forces looking for him. And then tens of thousands would have died including everyone in the US embassy in Amman. How many Americans would that have been, AGAviator?

When you insult other people on a site that already doesn't like you

I haven't insulted anyone while on this site. I've been most courteous. Just like now.

Even at LP I never really insulted people. I just pointed out the truth about them. Some were liars. Some were democRATS. Some didn't like America. In each case, there were clear reasons to think those assertions were right. But I never used foul language. I never called insulted the intelligence of someone unless they'd already insulted mine (and even then I often ignored their insults).

And now even posting facts to 4umers is considered an insult. Go figure. ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   21:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Exactly how does one debate a Republican party member who still believes that the U.S. had to invade Iraq so to avert a nuclear catastrophe?

Strawman. Is that all 4umers have in their debate toolkit?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   21:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FYI in 06 we had 13,101,026 hits

Wow! So the hundred or so 4um members are either really addicted to this site or there are quite a few lurkers stumbling onto the site from time to time.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   21:09:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Christine can you restore his ROTFLOF! privilages

christine never took away my ROTFLOL! privleges. I agreed to reduce the usage of the term to see if she was right ... that 4umers would become more civil to me if I did. So far it looks like christine was wrong.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   21:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm just wondering how big this "pretend" audience is?

Christine, is it time to "pretend" BAC is still a poster here - he is "disrespecting" you!

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-18   21:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

HD:And, the army's own expert returned from Iraq with his dying team

BAC: Never happened. Post ANY source that actually confirms what Rokke claims about his credentials, time in Iraq

See my post #121 in the following thread:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=48191&Disp=122#C122

"Idiocy in D.C., Progress in Baghdad"

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-18   21:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In fact Osama had denied 9/11 involvement

That's a fact - whether or not you approve, or not, asshole!

Not that he wouldn't have loved to be the culprit; but he had no involvement, beyond the propaganda that your slimy lot prefers, BAC.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-18   21:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Devil's Advocate.

ROTFLOL?

Excellent job.

Israel is getting US into WWIII.

wbales  posted on  2007-03-18   21:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I guess you missed my point. Unless you think the strategy in the entire middle east should be pull out. Abandon any allies in the region.

Furter proof of your stupidity, as if it were needed.

You actually want to claim the US has "allies" instead of nations using us?

What a dimwit.

Address the issue, which is the WOT is supposed to result in fewer terrorists, not more.

Did the war against Germany result in fewer German soldiers ... before we won? Did the war against Vietnam result in fewer North Vietnamese soldiers? Did the cold war result in smaller Soviet forces ... before we won?

Were we "winning" when the number of German, and Soviet soldiers was increasing, numbskull spammer?

"DESPITE sectarian slaughter, ethnic cleansing and suicide bombs, an opinion poll conducted on the eve of the fourth anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq has found a striking resilience and optimism among the inhabitants.

Don't bother to read your own blurbs, do you...

Yet 49% of those questioned preferred life under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, to living under Saddam. Only 26% said things had been better in Saddam’s era, while 16% said the two leaders were as bad as each other and the rest did not know or refused to answer.

Not surprisingly, the divisions in Iraqi society were reflected in statistics — Sunnis were more likely to back the previous Ba’athist regime (51%) while the Shi’ites (66%) preferred the Maliki government.

And your claim that "thousands dying week in and week out when Saddam was in control" is dubious to put it mildly.

On the contrary. That was the claim of many of those now on your side of the Iraq war debate. It was a claim based on experts in epidemiology at the UN and WHO. It was a claim blessed by none other than the Lancet

You have no shame, do you, to quote the Lancet.

Well first of all, he wasn't "protected by the United States Air Force".

He was.

Second, there was no more guarantee that bombing the camps in Northern Iraq would kill al-Zarqawi than there was that bombing bin Laden's camps would kill bin Laden.

Bush also refused to send in Special Forces.

Right under the nose of the American occupation, Zarqawi actually did kill thousands including many Americans, and not just "plot" to do it as you allege.

But eventually they found and killed him.

After he had done what he set out to do, and after getting tens of thousands of new followers as the result of the invasion.

Were it up to you, he'd still be running around free ... plotting, planning and murdering. Perhaps tens of thousands.

Bullshit.

I notice that you didn't deny my assertion that you'd NOT have bombed al- Zarqawi's camps if it had been up to you.

I don't need to reply to your arm-waving, off-topic hypotheticals.

Your comments about "What would you have done about Zarqawi" are absolutely and totally irrelevant

On the contrary ... they've exposed who you are AGAviator.

Dream on. You've been soundly whacked over Bush not doing anything about Zarqawi for years, and you've been whacked about Zarqawi not killing people when Saddam was in power.

So what's your response? Wave your arm and declare yourself a winnner. That exposes you for who you are.

I notice you haven't denied my assertion that you'd NOT have bombed the camps in Northern Iraq, if you'd have been President at the time.

I don't reply to your off-topic hypotheticals.

That we should just abandon all allies there

We have no allies, and only a fool would maintain otherwise.

And I notice that you don't deny my assertion that you don't think the WOT is real. You think it is just as phony as what the many links I've provided say about al-Zarqawi. Right? Folks should know that too.

I don't need to. And your pretend "folks" should know that you're engaging in one of your patented off-topic sideshows.

Iraq is not a safe haven for terrorists. If you think so, you don't know the meaning of the term "safe haven". There is no place in Iraq where they can go that we won't strike if we find out about them. A far cry from the days of Saddam, when terrorists were even operating in Baghdad under the nose of Saddam to attack us.

More people are dying of terrorists in Iraq than have ever died when Saddam ruled Iraq. Terrorists expect to be killed themselves. The fact that more are being killed is irrelevant. Terrorism has increased and is increasing.

Make up your mind. Is it sectarian violence or al-Qaeda terrorists who are responsible for the killing of most innocent Iraqis? Or would you claim its us?

All of the above are contributing factors to the unnecessary deaths in Iraq. The exact numbers are irrelevant.

What's the problem, AGAviator? Don't you know who his source is?

It's irrelvant, like most of your comments.

A US diplomat was murdered by al-Zarqawi when Saddam was still in power. And al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad at the time.

One US diplomat. And says who?

Fuck you and do your own research, troll.

Thanks for demonstrating once again how 4umers debate

Interactions with you are not debate. They're about you taking things off topic, spamming, and demanding more and more and more proof whenever you get impeached.

And about you thinking people are stupid enough that you can throw your non- answers at them and not get called on it.

So...Fuck you, troll.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-18   21:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I haven't insulted anyone while on this site. I've been most courteous. Just like now.

Your spam, and non-answers scream at people saying they're stupid.

So don't play coy with me, boy.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-03-18   21:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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